Great alternative way to do it. It worked. But i think who ever tried to replicate the JJ style didn't do i good job. Love and light from Lagos, Nigeria ❤❤
I can so understand, even though they sound more glued running in the same group , I end up grouping the 808s with the bass groups (and not with the kick) for this same reason
I'm sure I'm like the 5th comment to mention this But that person is trying to replicate JJ's mixing template, but not only are the plugins not setup "properly" , as JJ shows, but his gain staging is wayyy off (JJ says to hit the Shadowhill Compressor under -2 or less) That being said, this is truly valuable information You showed how you can replicate, or at least achieve similar result without the reliance of presets and templates, which striving audio engineers must learn to do
Important subject! Also, at least Logic Pro seems to do some weird dithering etc the more there are plugins and/or sub busses. That's one reason to do top down mixing as well
Great approach man the New kick sounded way better for sure... My only fault I've found with doing this is the sacrifice in the loudness war definitely hurts. For example if a listener has audio normalisation turned OFF on spotify the mixes coming in at -6 or -7.5 LUFS etc are destroying a -9 or -10 LUFS mix in apple airpods and other consumer devices. Been testing this lately and struggling to think of a middle ground or solution, as I really prefer the dynamic mix sound letting the kick and drum transients expand through the speaker.
The problem here dude is compressing the kick 5+ db on the shadowhills...?? The maximum, and maximum compression should be 1db on the shadowhills. And then you gain your kick on the mix so that it triggers 1db compression on the shadowhills. You do this and you will be about -6db on the mixbus. The shadowhills is used as a gainstaging tool but also tone and compression. You put the shadowhills either maybe on steel(50hz) and bass on iron (100hz), meaning they will never crash freq with them having different fundamental freq. The Rbass too you do the same, and then use soothe and sidechain the the 808 to the kick. And then you volume everything after on the mix. This give me incredible results, like insane way to do lowend mixing. The guy here missed the whole point of that setup ^^ Anyhow good results on your kick!
Hi Jesse, This template is very much inspired by Jaycen Joshua I see, as the routing is his system - with that being said, the recreation here of his "system" / template, is not a very good nor correct representation of how good that template/system that Jaycen created actually is, which is why thousands (yes, thousands!) of engineers swear by his method/system/sound ITB. With that being said, I know it is not ur template, and it is super nice to have a video picking apart the sound of a ex. a kick, compared to when alot of ppl just blindly copy paste settings into their plugins from great engineer without have any practicals or theories involved beforehand. These videos are the ones that ppl should look for, as here, they NEED to listen to/for the sound, instead of going "how to sound/mix like A-B-C" 🤣 Happy new years to you and the team 🎉😊
for sure, I'm pretty convinced that no one on the planet (except for Jaycen and his team) actually know how to properly drive this template. I see it every day and it's usually a total disaster just like this haha. it's super advanced and can yield great results in the right hands, but I think it's way over-complicated for 90% of engineers just starting out. The point of the video just demonstrates an alternative way to get some results!
@@jesseraymixUr spot on and doing it just how, at least for me, I like it - putting things in a dynamic and open perspective for anyone to understand, which you're a master at btw. Very great vid anyhow sensei Ernster 🙏🥷
hey jessy, your shadow hills is doing way too much gain reduction, thats why your kick doesnt get the punch. be carefull also on paralleling the kick before it hits the nls chain. it wont do good phase-wise, especially with the "mike" algorithm!
this is taken from a client session; the engineers driving these templates rarely follow those rules of gain staging- this vid is just showing an example of how I rebuild a mix that's given to me this way :)
I've enjoyed some of your videos and found them helpful for my own mixing, but immediately describing music as "competitive" and "commercial" as though this is what music should aspire to be bums me out to no end.
There are 100,000 mixers out there trying to take your gig. Making music and making art are obviously subjective affairs, and there are no rules, rights, or wrongs. But when we are hired to do the job of mixing a record, the artist and their team will have certain expectations that the quality of the sonics will be at a certain level. In that scenario, your quality of work absolutely must compete, stand out, and hold up against the work and material that others are putting out. ...just my $0.02!
I don’t know why you felt the need to directly call me out with the title and thumbnail 😂😂😂
thanks for the gems
appreciate your videos jesse. love the simplicity and seeing how others work
This mix tutorial is scrotally awesome.
The title of the song is wild lol
Great alternative way to do it. It worked. But i think who ever tried to replicate the JJ style didn't do i good job. Love and light from Lagos, Nigeria ❤❤
“Give it a good old reach around” Noted.
Killer knowledge J ! Thanks so much ! Cheers from Toronto
This was a great video and that kick sounded so much better afterwards! Thanks for sharing Jesse !
This was great! Would love to see a video like this on your approach for electric bass guitar
thanks for this, jesse!
Yoo man would you give us a video on how you would record vocals if you had a budget interface 0 outboard gear
I can so understand, even though they sound more glued running in the same group , I end up grouping the 808s with the bass groups (and not with the kick) for this same reason
I'm sure I'm like the 5th comment to mention this
But that person is trying to replicate JJ's mixing template, but not only are the plugins not setup "properly" , as JJ shows, but his gain staging is wayyy off (JJ says to hit the Shadowhill Compressor under -2 or less)
That being said, this is truly valuable information
You showed how you can replicate, or at least achieve similar result without the reliance of presets and templates, which striving audio engineers must learn to do
The shadow hills compressor is responsible for the kick’s tone change
Important subject! Also, at least Logic Pro seems to do some weird dithering etc the more there are plugins and/or sub busses. That's one reason to do top down mixing as well
so where does the NLS Buss channel get sent to? I can't if the I/O on that track is being sent to another channel or if its own master track
The default template that it came with is Jaycen joshua old routing
Great approach man the New kick sounded way better for sure... My only fault I've found with doing this is the sacrifice in the loudness war definitely hurts. For example if a listener has audio normalisation turned OFF on spotify the mixes coming in at -6 or -7.5 LUFS etc are destroying a -9 or -10 LUFS mix in apple airpods and other consumer devices. Been testing this lately and struggling to think of a middle ground or solution, as I really prefer the dynamic mix sound letting the kick and drum transients expand through the speaker.
Thank you sensei !
jesse ray coin to the moon
The problem here dude is compressing the kick 5+ db on the shadowhills...??
The maximum, and maximum compression should be 1db on the shadowhills.
And then you gain your kick on the mix so that it triggers 1db compression on the shadowhills.
You do this and you will be about -6db on the mixbus.
The shadowhills is used as a gainstaging tool but also tone and compression. You put the shadowhills either maybe on steel(50hz) and bass on iron (100hz), meaning they will never crash freq with them having different fundamental freq.
The Rbass too you do the same, and then use soothe and sidechain the the 808 to the kick.
And then you volume everything after on the mix.
This give me incredible results, like insane way to do lowend mixing.
The guy here missed the whole point of that setup ^^
Anyhow good results on your kick!
Totally right. The shadow Hills was doing too much. When I should barely move the niddle
Hi Jesse,
This template is very much inspired by Jaycen Joshua I see, as the routing is his system - with that being said, the recreation here of his "system" / template, is not a very good nor correct representation of how good that template/system that Jaycen created actually is, which is why thousands (yes, thousands!) of engineers swear by his method/system/sound ITB. With that being said, I know it is not ur template, and it is super nice to have a video picking apart the sound of a ex. a kick, compared to when alot of ppl just blindly copy paste settings into their plugins from great engineer without have any practicals or theories involved beforehand. These videos are the ones that ppl should look for, as here, they NEED to listen to/for the sound, instead of going "how to sound/mix like A-B-C" 🤣 Happy new years to you and the team 🎉😊
for sure, I'm pretty convinced that no one on the planet (except for Jaycen and his team) actually know how to properly drive this template. I see it every day and it's usually a total disaster just like this haha. it's super advanced and can yield great results in the right hands, but I think it's way over-complicated for 90% of engineers just starting out. The point of the video just demonstrates an alternative way to get some results!
@@jesseraymixUr spot on and doing it just how, at least for me, I like it - putting things in a dynamic and open perspective for anyone to understand, which you're a master at btw. Very great vid anyhow sensei Ernster 🙏🥷
Straight from Jaycen Joshuas template.
Bro, like what?😂😂😂😂 I see it, too 3 second in the video.
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hey jessy, your shadow hills is doing way too much gain reduction, thats why your kick doesnt get the punch. be carefull also on paralleling the kick before it hits the nls chain. it wont do good phase-wise, especially with the "mike" algorithm!
jaycen joshua original template uses shadow hills just about 1dB of GR
this is taken from a client session; the engineers driving these templates rarely follow those rules of gain staging-
this vid is just showing an example of how I rebuild a mix that's given to me this way :)
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Scrotum Of Destiny bro 🤘
bro Scrotum Of Density
Scrotes dude!
I've enjoyed some of your videos and found them helpful for my own mixing, but immediately describing music as "competitive" and "commercial" as though this is what music should aspire to be bums me out to no end.
There are 100,000 mixers out there trying to take your gig. Making music and making art are obviously subjective affairs, and there are no rules, rights, or wrongs. But when we are hired to do the job of mixing a record, the artist and their team will have certain expectations that the quality of the sonics will be at a certain level. In that scenario, your quality of work absolutely must compete, stand out, and hold up against the work and material that others are putting out. ...just my $0.02!