At this price point it would be hard to choose this over Luxman. I prefer Yamaha's approach with the C-5000 M-5000 stack but it would be interesting to compare them side by side.
I would like to see the difference between measurements on the PM10 vs Model 10 amp. I would also like a listening test to see if any obvious differences between Hypex Ncore modules vs Purifi modules. I suspect they may measure a bit differently but no audible sound difference to the human ear. After all they both use HDAM3
No desire for room correction here. These are beautiful pieces. Like to hear more about the DAC architecture in the two sources (assuming the SACD isn’t a transport at that price point). It’s interesting they anyone on here would complain about the price. In the 2CH world (of today anyway) this is mid-fi. But undoubtably well engineered mid-fi. Can’t wait to hear it.
So... to summarize: The Link 10 and the SACD 10 both have the same DAC. And the Link 10 and the Model 10 both have the same Pre-Amp. What a redundancy! And if I pair the Link 10 with 4 Model 10s, as the guy suggests, then I have paid for 5(!) Pre-Amps of which only one is used. Great!
Hey! I'm from Romania, love you videos, i learn alot from your videos. I don't have much: Marantz SR-7015, Monitor Audio Silver 300. That's all I can afford, at the moment.
I love Marantz. I have been loyal since my first piece over 15 years ago. It stinks that I will never hear these now that Masimo owns them and raised all their prices.
Someone with access to many of these avrs needs to do some serious blind testing and report back. How much better does the $15,000 unit sound than the $2000?
Their AVs much cheaper has EQ for 2 channel audio. I don’t think their 12k priced Link1 does and only has tone controls. Only Tone controls on a 12k gear? It’s maddening.
I'm sure it performs really well, but you are really paying for luxury. My NAD M33 retail is a 1/3rd of the Marantz M10. It uses Purifi modules with similar performance. It has a built-in streamer. It has DIRAC Live Room Correction.
My PM11S3 (Class A/B) sounded better than my PM10 (Class D), so I sold the newer one and kept the older one until today. Even in the beginning had two of them for Bi-Amping, but that didn’t work with phono and the Marantz PM11S3 phono stage is incredible perfect for my Benz Wood SL MC and was also sounding better than the PM10 one… I would bet, that the new Model 10 will even further follow the path away from sounding beautiful to sounding modern (less emotional, more neutral, too accurate and with too much treble). What in this case would be great for my pocket 🎉😅
@ Don’t bother, all my speakers performed really well with just one. The nicest thing about that bi-setup was the click click click click when activating both per one press on the remote control. 😆
Superlative products at a premium price. However, one aspect not covered would be its warranty and long term serviceability. Hate to spend crazy money on a product only for it to fail and there’s no support.
@@mattgiunt, Stereo will never die because more millions will only have room for 2 speakers than those that have room for 13-20 speaker home theaters ..
What are you even talking about? Marantz had been churning out the same stuff at all the same price levels as all the other usual suspects since forever. I had bought an entry level network streamer / DAC and it has been the absolute worst build quality of all the components I ever owned - and I have ca 40 right now from the past 3 decades, so that says something. I would never pay top dollars for such a crap manufacturer.
@@Baerchenization- Why are you so confused and angry? He’s obviously referring to their high end components (like the Model 10 Series) not the mass produced entry level streamer/dac that you purchased.
Gene I’m a huge fan but some of the comments from Phil toward the end bordered on snake oil in my opinion. This falls into the category of audio jewelry. It has its place and some people will love it, but I’d like to see them purchase it because it’s jewelry and not because they think they need it to get the best performance. I bet some buckeye 9040 Purifi monoblocks would be 1/6th the cost and outperform that amp.
Nobody considering the Marantz piece is cross shopping it with Buckeye. LOL. The Marantz actually has a very high quality preamp and phone preamp and is a luxury piece of gear. The Buckeye is a fine monoblock amp since it has Purifi, but it's shoehorned into a Radio Shack project box.
@@Audioholics since when does the box improve the sound? As you know, we pay at last 2000 for the jewelry aspect. So in that sense, soundwise, it is indeed overpriced. Having sais that, i would buy one if i was in search for new gear
@@stijnvanderlooy5311 I never said the box improved the sound. That said, anytime you can build a box that reduces resonances and does a better job of isolation is a good thing. Marantz actually designed their own power supply and build the modules themselves with curated parts rather than just buying a reference design kit like the Buckeye. Different product, and a much different buyer.
I will not buy a redundant preamplifier with built in Heos. There are better and lighter source solutions I guess. Model 10 amp is very interesting though.
I've had Marantz M700 monoblocks and loved them with big NHT floorstanding speakers. I remember them as being powerful. But the M1 specs don't appear to be powerful at all. They rated at 100 wpc at 8 ohms, but only 125 wpc at 4 ohms! And recommendations are for 16 to 8 ohm speakers. These amps are apparently a bad choice for speakers that demand high current, like Magnepans. That's unfortunate, because I loved my M700 amps from 20 years ago.
I don’t think the Link10 or AMP10 has 2 channel EQ. Only tone controls. Why in the world is a 12-15k pre-amp having no EQ for 2 channel audio? MAC top Pre-amps and even the cheaper Marantz AV10 has EQ for 2 channel. I was excited when the new products first launched and now sad. There really isn’t a reason for me to choose the link10n over a proven quantity like the Mac c55 with Tone/EQ and dedicated streamers like Lumin transport which will be around equal price plus I have flexibility with the DAC. I think they really missed an opportunity to hit this out of the park. The purists are not going to buy the Marantz anyways so why cater to them. If you are getting 801d4 signature that will take 1000wpc you are not looking at Marantz for power but looking at dedicated monos and lots of power. Why not make the product more appealing to a wider audience. I don’t get it. I want to stay with Heos/Marantz line but it’s getting very hard. The phono does have EQ so it’s all in software so there is a possibility at a later date EQ for all sources with firmware update. You can satisfy the “purists” with no EQ as default and for everyone else that want to EQ at least give the option.
I dunno, I’m a sucker for McIntosh Amps for this money. I bet these sound more accurate (and better) tho! All I need is an integrated Amp with HDMI-not sure if the link 10 can power speakers tho. I’ll find out!
it is a class D amplifier, but from marantz it is nothing but the "best", I hear in every video 15,000 € in Europe, but the Technics SU-R1000 is also a class D, little good can be said about it, so I think it is more about the brand that makes the amplifier and not about the device, like with Apple, it is a pity that one brand is praised, and a "supermarket brand" as many think about Technics does not get a job, fortunately for DJs they make great record players, if not the best, audiophiles who can spend a lot of money will never be able to admit to something cheap. However, there is no mention of the class D at Marantz on the website, but they do mention it with their analog devices, "pure analog", says enough. so Genes, get a SU-R1000 at home and test it please
Maybe a good receiver but the guy did a horrible review he honestly did not understand what he was even trying to show us nevertheless looks like a good unit😊
The price is very clearly, absurd. There is a market for it, of course. If you have more money than you know what to do with, go for it. (I have a power amp that does 650 side into 4 ohms that costs around $700 or less and a pure class A PREAMP fully balanced with balanced outputs at $300. Add a $500 DAC and a $500 Phono . Thee is mo audible noise at max leveks! It sounds better than most recordings.... whose flaws are clearly revealed (Sad!). It is better than any one's ability to hear. Ok. It's not as cute and heavy. Then again, take the savings and buy a sports car which you can hear and see. 😅
@davewin1792 Class D now actually sound great. However, they should be cheaper to build compared to Cass A or AB designs. Price is determined by the market you want to reach. That's fine but at these prices, it's still ridiculous! In a short matter of time, some of the components built in will be considered obsolete! l would save the money and build a studio. At least classic microphones retain their value if you have the bucks to buy them
@@memcdm I agree that from a music production aspect, there's no logical reason to buy this. You're paying for the price is no object spectacular engineering. Look at the inside and outside of the box and compare it to what Leo has done at Orchard Audio as an example of an antithetical approach and sales model. You can achieve audio nirvana with both, but the Mirantz is the easy choice for deep pockets.
@mohammedalomari1998 yea bc doing a demo over TH-cam so you can properly evaluate its fidelity on your Beats headphones will really give you a better understanding of it's performance 👌 😆
@@mohammedalomari1998 If you believe a TH-cam demo would be useful then save yourself a lot of money and buy the cheapest audio gear you can find on Teemu. The sound will be identical :)
Well, I lmust say, Gene swayed this into a talk about the product he was intetested in so I learned nothing about what interested me. A waste of time, i am sorry to say.
The aesthetics are a bit blingy.....and the big arbitrary black panels are plain UGLY. Seriously uncreative thought on the outside. The Reference Series from the 2000-2014 ish years are far better looking.
@@arthurroberts5474 that’s simply not true… most room configurations will inherently allow some frequencies to resonate more than others, which is something only intense room treatments can correct (typically at added cost and frankly poor aesthetics).
Yes Acura to MB will cost you. Not only for money but also for reliability and maintenance. I think Acura is better engineers car anyway. After all Red bull from F1 racing use Honda engine and still can beat the MB.
Phil's enthusiasm is infectious! What a lovely bunch of gear.
I still have the PM5005, it's been working almost everyday for 8 years straight, no issues
Nice interview and product overview. Thanks
Im glad they did purifi instead of ice power
"Let's turn this thing around and see if it has HDMI"
Then scrolls past HDMI twice turning the input knob :D 19:40
Gene am waiting on your bench test for the Marantz Cinema 30
If I win the lottery I will buy these stellar pieces of hi fi equipment
WTF ,after broken A1H from Denon , I will never buy again any Denon/Marantz product , they sell in Europe waste from production at inflated prices 🤢
At this price point it would be hard to choose this over Luxman. I prefer Yamaha's approach with the C-5000 M-5000 stack but it would be interesting to compare them side by side.
Would be great if they made another stand alone DAC.
Their HD DAC1 was a great success.
Great vid!
Marantz makes beautiful products
I would like to see the difference between measurements on the PM10 vs Model 10 amp. I would also like a listening test to see if any obvious differences between Hypex Ncore modules vs Purifi modules. I suspect they may measure a bit differently but no audible sound difference to the human ear. After all they both use HDAM3
No desire for room correction here. These are beautiful pieces. Like to hear more about the DAC architecture in the two sources (assuming the SACD isn’t a transport at that price point).
It’s interesting they anyone on here would complain about the price. In the 2CH world (of today anyway) this is mid-fi. But undoubtably well engineered mid-fi. Can’t wait to hear it.
Yes he failed to mention that they use MMM on SACD and link 10
@@trevorparmer5231 why do you say it's midfi? Have you listen to it?
@@moshezuhmih in referred to everyone talking about how expensive it is, so from a price perspective only.
Stunning ! I wish they would bring back Model 8 and Model 9 tube amps !!!
That amp is bonkers💛💛💛💛💛
Heard these companies were up for sale again?
So... to summarize: The Link 10 and the SACD 10 both have the same DAC. And the Link 10 and the Model 10 both have the same Pre-Amp. What a redundancy! And if I pair the Link 10 with 4 Model 10s, as the guy suggests, then I have paid for 5(!) Pre-Amps of which only one is used. Great!
When will the art come out?
Great design but missing multichannel SACD support.
Nice 👍, I have the intergraded 40 n and love it. Definitely will look into the link 10.
Hey! I'm from Romania, love you videos, i learn alot from your videos. I don't have much: Marantz SR-7015, Monitor Audio Silver 300. That's all I can afford, at the moment.
All hail the common man! You still have a nice system. 👍
22:03. Is it eARC? The back panel states otherwise.
Whatever happened to the review on the Audia Flight FLS 10 integrated amp?
I hope it sounds good.
I love Marantz. I have been loyal since my first piece over 15 years ago. It stinks that I will never hear these now that Masimo owns them and raised all their prices.
Gorgeous gear Gene & Phil ....... but you're fair and square in Accuphase territory here...... (for us analog guys).....???
Someone with access to many of these avrs needs to do some serious blind testing and report back. How much better does the $15,000 unit sound than the $2000?
Their AVs much cheaper has EQ for 2 channel audio. I don’t think their 12k priced Link1 does and only has tone controls. Only Tone controls on a 12k gear? It’s maddening.
🎉 This M10 chassis construction is excellent however amplifier architecture looks like Hypex or Purifi, both great sounding Class D.🎉
@JJTMARQUES we clearly discuss the Marantz is a codeveloped Class D design using Purifi in this livestream.
I am drooling all over! Too bad my funds are prioritized for other purposes!
Any good CNC machine could make this fancy case work in minutes!
Beautiful and aspirational products.❤
I'm sure it performs really well, but you are really paying for luxury. My NAD M33 retail is a 1/3rd of the Marantz M10. It uses Purifi modules with similar performance. It has a built-in streamer. It has DIRAC Live Room Correction.
The NAD M33 is a great product. It's not as powerful as the Marantz as the latter uses a higher current Purifi based design.
M66 + 2xM23 will be a better comparison.
Unfortunately M66 has no digital outs, so one cannot use a better DAC. Perhaps there will be an MCD2 card with digital outputs one day?
Marantz is moving the goal post to compete with the big names like Mac, Luxman, Accphase etc
Nice marantz equptment! ❤ Maybe in my next life! 😂
My PM11S3 (Class A/B) sounded better than my PM10 (Class D), so I sold the newer one and kept the older one until today.
Even in the beginning had two of them for Bi-Amping, but that didn’t work with phono and the Marantz PM11S3 phono stage is incredible perfect for my Benz Wood SL MC and was also sounding better than the PM10 one…
I would bet, that the new Model 10 will even further follow the path away from sounding beautiful to sounding modern (less emotional, more neutral, too accurate and with too much treble). What in this case would be great for my pocket 🎉😅
@flowwhite3192 i have the same amp and love it but wish to bi amp with a second one
@ Don’t bother, all my speakers performed really well with just one.
The nicest thing about that bi-setup was the click click click click when activating both per one press on the remote control. 😆
@flowwhite3192 my only wish is that it had more power, that's the reason for wanting a second one
@ then yes, go for it…🥃
Eye love this #channel 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤ these new models look amazing
Superlative products at a premium price. However, one aspect not covered would be its warranty and long term serviceability. Hate to spend crazy money on a product only for it to fail and there’s no support.
It would be great if Marantz came out with replacements for the 7025 and the 7055 amplifiers. Are they coming?
This Is Not For HOME THEATER ENTERTAINMENT SET UP RIGHT???? BUT MORE LIKE MUSIC TYPES THINGS OR SO???? NO HDMI INPUTS???
Two channel is so yesterday
Why are you shouting? Yes its a 2 channel product.
😂😂😂 Wasn't Shouting!!! Seriously Wasn't @@bikeman7982
@@mattgiunt, Stereo will never die because more millions will only have room for 2 speakers than those that have room for 13-20 speaker home theaters ..
@@mattgiunt- What a crazy thing to say. 😂 Home theater and and a nice stereo system are timeless and completely apples and oranges.
Never could afford Marantz, maybe next life!
What are you even talking about? Marantz had been churning out the same stuff at all the same price levels as all the other usual suspects since forever. I had bought an entry level network streamer / DAC and it has been the absolute worst build quality of all the components I ever owned - and I have ca 40 right now from the past 3 decades, so that says something. I would never pay top dollars for such a crap manufacturer.
@@Baerchenization- Why are you so confused and angry? He’s obviously referring to their high end components (like the Model 10 Series) not the mass produced entry level streamer/dac that you purchased.
imo the price is fair, but I will need to win the lottery
does the link 10 got home theater bypass ?
Gene I’m a huge fan but some of the comments from Phil toward the end bordered on snake oil in my opinion. This falls into the category of audio jewelry. It has its place and some people will love it, but I’d like to see them purchase it because it’s jewelry and not because they think they need it to get the best performance. I bet some buckeye 9040 Purifi monoblocks would be 1/6th the cost and outperform that amp.
Nobody considering the Marantz piece is cross shopping it with Buckeye. LOL. The Marantz actually has a very high quality preamp and phone preamp and is a luxury piece of gear. The Buckeye is a fine monoblock amp since it has Purifi, but it's shoehorned into a Radio Shack project box.
@@Audioholics since when does the box improve the sound? As you know, we pay at last 2000 for the jewelry aspect. So in that sense, soundwise, it is indeed overpriced. Having sais that, i would buy one if i was in search for new gear
@@stijnvanderlooy5311 I never said the box improved the sound. That said, anytime you can build a box that reduces resonances and does a better job of isolation is a good thing. Marantz actually designed their own power supply and build the modules themselves with curated parts rather than just buying a reference design kit like the Buckeye. Different product, and a much different buyer.
Pioneer 1980 amplifier is the best and there's no amp that you can compare in the whole world to
Hi Fi for the Uber Rich!! 😂
The Marantz Cinema AV10 defined this architecture.
Nope the 30 series
Actually it was the PM10 and Model 10 SACD followed by KI Ruby
@@pureblood8307 if we are talking looks it was the 30n sacd and integrated amp.
I will not buy a redundant preamplifier with built in Heos. There are better and lighter source solutions I guess. Model 10 amp is very interesting though.
release a Model 20! for way less than those prices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is another product that is trying to survive. Even if there is no future
I've had Marantz M700 monoblocks and loved them with big NHT floorstanding speakers. I remember them as being powerful.
But the M1 specs don't appear to be powerful at all. They rated at 100 wpc at 8 ohms, but only 125 wpc at 4 ohms! And recommendations are for 16 to 8 ohm speakers. These amps are apparently a bad choice for speakers that demand high current, like Magnepans.
That's unfortunate, because I loved my M700 amps from 20 years ago.
I don’t think the Link10 or AMP10 has 2 channel EQ. Only tone controls. Why in the world is a 12-15k pre-amp having no EQ for 2 channel audio? MAC top Pre-amps and even the cheaper Marantz AV10 has EQ for 2 channel. I was excited when the new products first launched and now sad. There really isn’t a reason for me to choose the link10n over a proven quantity like the Mac c55 with Tone/EQ and dedicated streamers like Lumin transport which will be around equal price plus I have flexibility with the DAC. I think they really missed an opportunity to hit this out of the park. The purists are not going to buy the Marantz anyways so why cater to them. If you are getting 801d4 signature that will take 1000wpc you are not looking at Marantz for power but looking at dedicated monos and lots of power. Why not make the product more appealing to a wider audience. I don’t get it. I want to stay with Heos/Marantz line but it’s getting very hard. The phono does have EQ so it’s all in software so there is a possibility at a later date EQ for all sources with firmware update. You can satisfy the “purists” with no EQ as default and for everyone else that want to EQ at least give the option.
I dunno, I’m a sucker for McIntosh Amps for this money. I bet these sound more accurate (and better) tho! All I need is an integrated Amp with HDMI-not sure if the link 10 can power speakers tho. I’ll find out!
The Link 10 is a streaming preamp so you will need a separate power amp if you go that route.
@@Audioholics thanks for clarifying Gene. Gorgeous products but slightly confusing…lol
it is a class D amplifier, but from marantz it is nothing but the "best", I hear in every video 15,000 € in Europe, but the Technics SU-R1000 is also a class D, little good can be said about it, so I think it is more about the brand that makes the amplifier and not about the device, like with Apple, it is a pity that one brand is praised, and a "supermarket brand" as many think about Technics does not get a job, fortunately for DJs they make great record players, if not the best, audiophiles who can spend a lot of money will never be able to admit to something cheap. However, there is no mention of the class D at Marantz on the website, but they do mention it with their analog devices, "pure analog", says enough. so Genes, get a SU-R1000 at home and test it please
Maybe a good receiver but the guy did a horrible review he honestly did not understand what he was even trying to show us nevertheless looks like a good unit😊
Simply ridiculous pricing....just no way. Even at half price they would be much too high.
They are filling a space in the market. They offer less expensive products that are still high quality.
The price is very clearly, absurd. There is a market for it, of course. If you have more money than you know what to do with, go for it. (I have a power amp that does 650 side into 4 ohms that costs around $700 or less and a pure class A PREAMP fully balanced with balanced outputs at $300. Add a $500 DAC and a $500 Phono . Thee is mo audible noise at max leveks! It sounds better than most recordings.... whose flaws are clearly revealed (Sad!). It is better than any one's ability to hear. Ok. It's not as cute and heavy. Then again, take the savings and buy a sports car which you can hear and see. 😅
Class D to boot.
@davewin1792 Class D now actually sound great. However, they should be cheaper to build compared to Cass A or AB designs. Price is determined by the market you want to reach. That's fine but at these prices, it's still ridiculous! In a short matter of time, some of the components built in will be considered obsolete! l would save the money and build a studio. At least classic microphones retain their value if you have the bucks to buy them
@@memcdm I agree that from a music production aspect, there's no logical reason to buy this. You're paying for the price is no object spectacular engineering. Look at the inside and outside of the box and compare it to what Leo has done at Orchard Audio as an example of an antithetical approach and sales model. You can achieve audio nirvana with both, but the Mirantz is the easy choice for deep pockets.
Class d is never a luxury. Marantz is ripping off rich illiterate customers.😂😂😂
Bad video
Too much primitive talk without a point.
You should show us a demo about how this overpriced thing sounds
@mohammedalomari1998 yea bc doing a demo over TH-cam so you can properly evaluate its fidelity on your Beats headphones will really give you a better understanding of it's performance 👌 😆
@Audioholics oh, that sounds better than talking for 35 minutes about how many RCA inputs this Amp has isn't?
@@mohammedalomari1998 If you believe a TH-cam demo would be useful then save yourself a lot of money and buy the cheapest audio gear you can find on Teemu. The sound will be identical :)
Well, I lmust say, Gene swayed this into a talk about the product he was intetested in so I learned nothing about what interested me. A waste of time, i am sorry to say.
The title of this video reveals exactly the products discussed in this video.
The aesthetics are a bit blingy.....and the big arbitrary black panels are plain UGLY. Seriously uncreative thought on the outside. The Reference Series from the 2000-2014 ish years are far better looking.
How about Marantz just build an AVR that has really good SINAD for less than the cost of a car.
The already have that with Cinema 30, 40 and 50.
"Master / Slave" relationship ? Interesting....
Room correction isn't necessary if you precisely place your speakers to control the room's SPLs.
@@arthurroberts5474 that’s simply not true… most room configurations will inherently allow some frequencies to resonate more than others, which is something only intense room treatments can correct (typically at added cost and frankly poor aesthetics).
@MasterHWilson You are correct sir! Good grief! This is not quantum physics!😮
What about the DAC ????
MMM technically not a DAC
Yes Acura to MB will cost you. Not only for money but also for reliability and maintenance. I think Acura is better engineers car anyway. After all Red bull from F1 racing use Honda engine and still can beat the MB.