I watched half of the video and it feels like a small essay with bunch of run-on sentences with no real point and a title that throws off everyone. Your title makes ppl think that there's at least one to multiple major flaws to the car that led you to sell the car, but half way through the video, I notice that you're just repeating yourself over and over again and everything you say feels very personal that has nothing to do with the car. I clicked on the video with the interest of possibly buying a Kia, but thinking maybe they might have issues, but it seems like there isn't any and I feel like you only made the title as is to get more ppl to watch the video. It feels very pointless and a waste of time, even like I've been conned. (Sorry if im being too blunt)
He literally said multiple time it’s nothing he truly doesn’t like about it, he even stated that you (us) probably came here to hear why someone shouldn’t buy one but that wasn’t the case. So what are you talking about.🤣
@GamingWithMari He shouldn't even FEEL THE NEED to say that from the beginning. If he uploaded the video with the right title to begin with, he shouldn't even have to say that MULTIPLE times and so many ppl wouldn't miss it, but we did cuz our minds went off elsewhere cuz the video was not only pointless, but boring as well, and apparently, nearly 50 other ppl seem to agree with me, including his father it seems like, so Im not sure what you're talking about...
The 22 forte gt is honestly the best bang for buck in any price point. Leather seats. Heated seats. Wireless charging. Sunroof. Navigation. Huge touch screen. AMAZING Michelin tires. Shit it even tells you where the cheapest gas is. Lane warnings. Lane assist self steering. Just so many features that each day surprise you more. It has nothing missing you need. It has everything and for $27k? You can't find it anywhere else. I was lucky to pay AT MSRP with no Covid market adjustments.
I just got a GT with gt2 package, got it just a little under msrp, I don’t think I can get any other car with features the gt has for the price . Honestly a good car in general.
I have a 23 LXS and I love it it has lane assist too self driving (steering wheel stays in the middle lane and adjusts accordingly) it brakes on its if it detects a car while backing up and it’s just a nice drive everytime
Thank god you were just talking about how you were selling it due to your unique issues. I thought you found something that was wrong with the car itself. Still plan on picking one up as this car seems to be a better value than any car at this price range.
was hired to drive a 2023 one from point a to point b, didnt know it was a gt, a few miles in, im like what the hell is this, handling acceleration, superb, for the price, a very nice car.
I've had my 23 GT Manual for one week. I'm 36 and my insurance went up 50 bucks a month. I came from a 2014 Mirage that made a whopping 74 HP. If I had ever gotten pulled over and the cop said "Do you know why I pulled you over" I would of laughed and said "definitely not for speeding". I literally had to turn my AC off just to make it up a hill with the crappy 70hp engine and cvt transmission. Now I'm definitely gonna get in trouble because I have 3 pedals, 201hp, and six gears to choose from. My only complaint is the 3k RPM in 6th gear to maintain 70mph. Like, it screams for a 7th gear or a much taller 6th gear.
I had a 2000 mirage as my first car. Fuck everything about that car, terrible breaks, no power and drive like a car 4 times its size. I was in a wreck in my corolla last month. Insurance gave me a rental. 2022 Mirage. What was different? Nothing. A model 22 years newer drove exactly like the 2000 shitbox Mirage.
the fact that youre complaining about insurance being 3000 a year with a 4dr sedan then you ramble about getting a corvette or mustang doesn't make any sense
I appreciate the honesty here and presenting the issues as more personal. I'm at 9 months of ownership on my 22 GT DCT. Some things I love, some things I don't care for. But I will say if you know what to expect from this car, you understand what it is and what it isn't, you'll love it. I got a killer deal on it (no markup) my local Honda dealer wanted WAY more for a new Civic SI. Also, you'll enjoy the car a lot more if you swap the tires out from the factory Kumho all seasons.
@@carlangas991 If I remember correctly it was just over 27k. Got it with the GT2 package. So pretty much I paid MSRP. Put a decent down payment (few grand) and my monthly payment is a bit under $300.00. Purchased in upstate NY.
Im thinking about getitng a 24 GT. Best bang for your buck. Obviously you get what you pay for. Hopefully your situation has improved since posting this video!
As a guy who just bought a 23 GT 6speed( and also drove the DCT) I have to disagree with you. The manual was clearly the better of the 2 to me personally first and foremost. I also believe the car is underrated in its horsepower numbers especially in sport mode. I had 15 WRX and 16 STi and GT has moments where it pulls just as hard as those especially the WRX down low. It’s not as consistent with those more powerful cars but it does push me into the seat plenty when opening it up. It’s a great car for the money considering everything else. Sucks for you that you don’t think it’s worth it to keep it. To each his own.
these kias are doing low 6s (one has even managed a 5.9) to 60mph, with fwd thats very impressive! i think that this car has the perfect amount of power, lux and dynamics for the price.
I have the 2022 6speed, I LOVE this car. It is FUN to drive in sport mode. The seats are the most comfortable I’ve had and I have degenerative disc disease. I throw on the heated seats and it’s so comfy and supportive on my back. I actually have felt annoyed by the car payment at times but this car is SO perfect for my back and fun to drive that I couldn’t justify selling it ever.
I do not like the 6 speed , the DCT makes the entire car , i couldn’t imagine having a manual tbh and NOT buying a Honda , this car is “performance based” , not a performance car , the DCT just makes the ride less jerky . And yeah the road noise is unacceptable and the ride is worse than a GTI . Definitely a 27k car , it’s worth no more or less lol
@@salwilk558 Makes no sense, literally handles better than an SI with that multi-link rear, yet a manual makes more sense on that? There's nothing jerky about it, and it's only second to Honda in quality.
@@extremeencounter7458 my car feels like my 19 normal forte , idk i wouldn’t do anything crazy in it . I’d rather have a New si manual , does it rlly handle better?
I owned a C4 (1989 Dual top convertible) - a 350CI engine with the same HP as this Forte GT's 95CI engine. Amazing how engines have shrunk, but HP has increased.
So now that you actually have to pay for it, you don't want to keep it. Man up, pay for it and keep it. It's a nice car. I have the same one, 2021, gray DCT. I love that DCT.
I would rather pay for a car I enjoy more. No need too "man" up too pay for somthing I don't enjoy enough. Would much prefer a corvette for 10k less. I enjoyed the DCT as well.
I believe that's correct , when you are the new owner. You get a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty on the car. But then when you sell it, the 2 owner or 3 owner will get a five year 60,k mile warranty on it
I had a 2020 Forte GT. I had an issue with the steering column twice. Some of your complaints were the ones I had as well but nothing major. The turbo versions of these tend to have issues after 50k miles if you don't have an oil catch can installed. I just decided to sell it back to dealership while I could still get a good amount of money for it. I have a work vehicle and an older truck so it was time for the Kia to go.
Different strokes for different folks, I love my 2021 GT Manual(Exactly one year of ownership today.) The only issue I've had is the adhesive under the lip spoiler has expanded out from underneath it, no doubt in my mind that it was due to some very hot days the past July as I found the problem right after the hottest week when I was washing her. I have an appointment to get that sorted out this weekend though.
Got that exact car. Took her cross country to move and it was a dream the whole way. Moved somewhere that gets that hot in the summers too, we'll see how it goes next year haha.
@@Dabal_R I'm in the US. All three of the trims I listed are powered by the 1.6 Gamma T-GDI (G4FJ) engine which has 201 hp and 195 lbf-ft of torque. I have a GT Manual. The GT-Line is an available trim, it has most of the cosmetics from the GTs but has the 2.0L engine and CVT transmission.
being young and having to insure your car sucks its always going to be expensive. i just turned 32 and my rates for my car are finally starting to go down also taking driving classes like defensive classes can bring down your insurance rates if you can get them a certificate from a authorized driving school.
You don’t like the engine. Which is pretty reliable at this point as it’s in many Kia and Hyundais and has been updated. It makes GOOD power compared to like 95% of cars sold at its price point. But you like the DCT that’s clunky, not that quick to shift and sucks at slow speeds. So you got rid of it because you cant have it for “free” and you can’t afford the insurance. But then talk about a corvette. Lol get your priorities straight. This is like being able to live rent free at a house then being told the owner switched and that new owner told you that you gotta pay up, but you can’t cause you’re broke as shit. So you say this house sucks anyways. It didn’t suck when it was free tho.
I had a Mazda2 hatchback and I just got a 2023 Forte like 2 weeks ago, I love it so much, and had enough saved up that I'm only going to have to pay off 7k in financing
Got two test drive this model car today this car is quick and fun to drive the seat's are not comfortable road noise is very noticeable and ride quality isn't great so I bought the bigger brother K5 GT Line very pleased with that purchase
Pointing out flaws of a vehicle is not hating on it. I could point out 20 flaws on my ctsv. I still love the car at the end of the day. I could point out flaws on my dream car the dodge viper yet if still love too own one
I have a 2011 Forte SX 5 Door that I bought new.The car is triple black with leather and sunroof . The 6 spd auto still shifts smoothly. That 2.4 173 hp engine has plenty of power. I still enjoy driving it.
I recently got a 2021 Kia Forte Top of the line GT and it’s amazing it feels sporty without feeling like you’re going to splash yourself against something and the interior looks identical to the 2023 version
When I got the call for this car and I drove it's manual trans I took it home. Very fun. UT the 1st gear to me. Is slow on launch. Just me. I haven't drove manually since 2016 I am novice
OK, so my first take on this is you may have some entitlement issues, the car, on the other hand, not so much, and actually sounds like it's pretty decent. Not hating on you, just my honest take.
So you did what a lot of employees do. Buy it at below MSRP, wait for car prices to keep going up on a used car and sell it for profit. Too bad used car prices have started lowering for you but at least you got it of it while you could.
im going on a year of having it and i have zero complaints i do miss having a bigger car but thats not the cars fault at all ive driven cross country twice in it and its been nothing but great
I’ve owned my Kia Cerato GT…(Australian name for forte GT) for 2years, best car I’ve owned. It’s got power, comfort and excellent safety features…..I like it so much I’ve just ordered a new one, giving the older one to my daughter. So you’re selling a perfectly good car for a second hand car that someone else has driven it to death. 20 years old you still have a lot to learn…
You did not understand what I was stating in the video. I didn't like the car enough to want to pay for it without the benefits. Ive got a brand new Ford Maverick now which I find to be better in many ways
the paint quality is amazing, I have a 2019 Forte with no issues. Road noise is competitive for the class, in fact I would say it's one of the quietest car in the class. The Forte has underbody sound insulation panels that other cars like the Corolla or the Nissan kicks don't/ I hate that you are defaming a great car cause your expectaions are crazy for the class of car. Want a quite compact ? buy a 3 series. Don't be ridiculous.
The insulation hanging from the bottem of the entire underside of mine begs too differ about any sound. I joined just about every forte group. Everyone complained about the extremely easy too scratch paint. I'm not defaming the car. I'm starting the actual things I experienced. I actually did just buy a 3 series last week
I really wish they would have made a higher performance version of Forte GT w/ the Elantra N engine and upgraded wet dual clutch. It would have made a great sleeper.
My 2021 GT is the nicest car I have ever owned, and I’m 50 so I have owned many different cars. It offers 80s super car performance in a 4 door sedan. This generation has no idea how lucky they are. It accelerates as quickly as my dad’s old grand national and handles 10x better and I can fit my kid and dog in the back without issue
It's OK buddy. We've all been there. As far as cars like that, like the Kia and the Hyundai, you either pay on the front end or the back end. You get what you pay for. I would rather pay on the front end and get something nicer than save a buck and get some thing of poor quality that's already has water in the taillights.
I’ll also add that I’m in Australia and we must get a different built (not sure if they come out the same factory) I haven’t experienced any of the things you mentioned and have to say paint quality is actually very good. I did have a Honda Civic previously and recall a guy over there complaining about the paint too but ours here are fine 🤷♂️ Have to say it’s a better car than the 2020 Civic Grand Tourer
Is your built in Mexico as well? Everyone I've talked too about this car complains about the paint. You can (non exaggerating) scratch it with your finger nail. Other than those minor things. It really was a fantastic car!
@@PerformanceOnWheels ahh huh there’s the difference. Ours come out the factory in South Korean but Kia and Hyundai Australia do their own Australian suspension tune which they pride themselves on. Also our Honda’s come from Thailand. I think yours are built in the States right? Looking forward to seeing your new Vet!
Yeah road noise. I've been in plenty of "sub 30k" cars. That doesn't make it an excuse? My girlfriends sub 20k corolla has less than half the road noise that forte had.
I love driving it but I'm a newbie at the manual transmission. I haven't had a stick since 2016 my ek civic b18c so I have to get to know my new transmission and the turbo etc 🙃
I could afford it just fine. I didn't want to afford a car I didn't enjoy enough to be paying for. A corvette for 10k less is a substantially better time in my opinion.
Makes title and thumbnail that indicates issues with the car. Then proceeds to say he's selling it because he doesn't get it for essentially free now and insurance is ~$150 a month. But everything else is great. What the fuck is this clickbait shit?
I did not say everything else is great. The lack of sound insulation is absolutely terrible. My taillights are filled with water with no miles on it. The seats suck on road trips. The suspension is far too harsh. Worried about it blowing up when the warranty ends. I was so not a fan of it that I had no interest in owning it without a benefit was the whole point in the video.
Saab 9-3 or 9-3 wagon, or Volvo V50 s40 or C30 are the best used car bargains. 2010-2011. Every one in the Northeast is a better price than Hondas and Toyotas. The Volvos go a million miles. Saab not so much but they look great with AWD. And then wait for the Alfa Tonale used. You can modify these cars up to insane horsepower. My Volvo V50 is the best! 5 cylinder engine note is beautiful. It drives so comfortably. And has tons of room in the back.
Thanks for making these reviews. I have been looking for a new 2023 manual. Looking a Forte and Mazda 3. Found Mazda 3 on sale, but they only sell it with leather seats. Even with that comes out less than the Kias. Dealer still wants $4,500 over MSRP to cover life time oil changes. Another dealer wants $1,500 over MSRP. He knows he can rake me over the coals. For the car is not easy to find. Are you looking at used car to get it under $10,000? Cheapest that I have found is Nissan Versa. About $17,000.
I had a Veloster DCT. This transmission never gave me confidence it would last long, with ratcheting noises frequently occurring. Also shifted slower than Kia's own CVT when shifted manually with the base 2.0
I also own a gt. I'm surprised that no one talks about the steering above 70mph... It's overly sensitive. Very hard to make small corrections. It doesn't even look like I've moved the steering wheel at all and it will veer over. Going over bumps on the highway or correcting wind draft from a larger vehicle when passing them in an adjacent lane. Making those corrections is something I find rather challenging to do smoothly. Has anyone else noticed this? I have driven many cars over my 33 years and this is hands down the most sensitive steering above 70mph that I've encountered.
20,000 miles I still love mine the engine is easy to work on and I drove home to Tennessee my fiance enjoyed it alos my insurance is only 1,100 dollars amd totaled two cars how the blank is 3,000 dollars
Austin. Sorry for the delay in commenting. I just realized you posted this one. Enjoyed the content on Kia Forte GT. Your owner experience will help many who want to buy one. Very mature and responsible of you to decide to sell this car. Totally respect your reason. However I know this isn’t your last vehicle. I know you find something awesome to make new memories in and I know you will share your experiences with us. We are looking forward to that. Be well.
I was literally looking to buy one of these new within the next couple of weeks, but after you told me about the taillights filling up with rain water, that’s a no go for me. 😐
So why put watch before you buy on the thumbnail. Kinda clickbait IMO. Nothing wrong with the car and yes Kia would have fixed that on a brand new car.
He literally gave nothing but personal reasons on why he's selling it and they're all personal good reasons depending on what type of car person you are so I'm not really understanding what you mean Sir.
I did all the research I did and I'm glad I bought it. Was a nice car too have for the time I had it. Just didn't enjoy it enough to care too pay for it.
I'm putting a 10grand down payment at a msrp of 27,635$ though I am going to try to haggle what do you think is the lowest they would go? What payments were you looking at? I have a good range credit score and a 10grand down-payment is a large one. This car at this price range is just the best with what you get feature wise unless you want a hyundai hybrid, a volkswagen jetta gli is the only comparable car but at a higher price. I'm just nervous to get this car it'd be my first new purchade
I put 6k down. Had a 2.9 percent interest rate and 385 a month payments. I would be willing too bet they won't go below sticker because they could easily sell it at sticker in this market. I would be happy your not paying over sticker.
Put your $10k into a 4% APY 12 month cd and let the interest make your payments. Don't throw that much cash down on a depreciating liability Banker here
You're haggling wrong. They make more money if they think you're going to finance the entire purchase with them. That makes them more lenient on the purchase. After you come to a price agreement then you drop the 10k on them. I'm not saying hagglin's going to work in this economy but that's 101 for car buying
A banker would think that lol. If it's interest rate on the loan is higher than the interest rate back on the CD it's obviously going to be a loss. I bet his interest rate is probably five or six at least.
Each to their own. Gotta disagree on DCT trannie part. The manual is a very capable box that could withstand a decent amount of power and had minor issues. The only issue that im aware of is the bearing of 5th gear can deteriorate at faster rate. Otherwise it's a great transmission. DCT on the other hand wasnt that well received in USA/EU and by the kia forums
I originally was gonna give a dct a try but the sales guy recommended getting a manual if I was ever planning any power adding mods. He drives a Forte GT manual too with stg 2 tune, downpipe, intake, and few other he mention. The DCT can only handle up to 240 or 250 hp I think
That's not insurance fraud at all. People choose not to spend the money they receive from insurance to fix hail damage all the time. Your still receiving money for your vehicle now being valued as less.
Question: I’m considering getting this for my next car in December, but I don’t don’t know how to drive a manual. Do you NEED to use the paddles on the 7 speed Dual Clutch Automatic, or will the car shift on its own? Should I step down to the GT Line?
It will shift on its own without using paddles. You can use the paddles for fun if you would like. Up too you if you want too step down too the gt line. It was be a smoother riding suspension with much better gas mileage. However you will loose out on the 60 horse and more "fun" driving experience vs a commuter car
I sent your video to a co worker whom is having major issues with hers. I see people saying they love there but to each there own. Her's has been in the shop 4x and still not fixed. They are giving her hell with a loaner vehicle as well. Just sayin. Loved your video and understand from first witness here why it got traded.
If that car has the turbo engine and you drive it hard it's probably not going to last long turbo engines put so much pressure on the internal parts if they're driven aggressively they wear out sooner
In a world where the Kia GT gets rave reviews I guess this TH-camr needed a different view even if it has to be fabricated and exaggerated. A shame to start putting some fault against the car. Otherwise the man is a fool to commit to such an expense he couldn’t afford. I love mine. I only bought a new car because this car exists.
Wasn't "fabricated or exaggerated" at all. I talked about my complaints and stated even with those complaints I wouldn't sell the car and I was simply selling it because I didn't enjoy it enough to pay for it
If you want to keep the same levels of tech (in some ways better) look at a dodge dart GT. It has sport suspension and all. Not fast though. Not sure how you feel about speed. It’s basically the equivalent to this forte handling and interior wise. GT AND LIMITED trims ONLY
@@braetonwilson4296 because ew. Those are ugly and stale for the years the dart was made. Tin cans with cost cutting underbody construction in terms of materials. The dart is just a better buy. Aluminum front and rear subframe, a semi adaptive suspension on GT models standard ETC. don’t get any of this on a Corolla.
I’m sorry, limited trims don’t handle like this, it has tech being the top “luxury “ trim level.. the GT has a different steering rack, and a different engine/ trans tune .
Is the 2022 DCT anybetter than 2019-2021 where there is throttle lag when you floor it and surging under full throttle and then rev hang after you let off the throttle?
I agree about the clutch. It's soo soo slow in 1st gear. I just took home a 2023, woth the exhaust dual package so I know it was t made in Mexico not that that is a thought. But every car I turned in my forte a 2022. 2.0 auto no sunroof but aye I am digging my new gt
Getting one tomorrow, but they're overcharge me for it. 32k out the door, but then I searched out town and I seen it for 24k.. I really want a new car..but damn so hard to find the one
If you're paying $32k for a Forte GT you might as well just shoot yourself for being stupid. Never ever pay over MSRP for any car. And when you talk to car sales ppl, don't be acting like you really want the car. Play hard to get, they'll come around.
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I watched half of the video and it feels like a small essay with bunch of run-on sentences with no real point and a title that throws off everyone. Your title makes ppl think that there's at least one to multiple major flaws to the car that led you to sell the car, but half way through the video, I notice that you're just repeating yourself over and over again and everything you say feels very personal that has nothing to do with the car. I clicked on the video with the interest of possibly buying a Kia, but thinking maybe they might have issues, but it seems like there isn't any and I feel like you only made the title as is to get more ppl to watch the video. It feels very pointless and a waste of time, even like I've been conned. (Sorry if im being too blunt)
This comment coming from his dad. I love your comment.
I agree with you 😎
He literally said multiple time it’s nothing he truly doesn’t like about it, he even stated that you (us) probably came here to hear why someone shouldn’t buy one but that wasn’t the case. So what are you talking about.🤣
I agree
@GamingWithMari He shouldn't even FEEL THE NEED to say that from the beginning. If he uploaded the video with the right title to begin with, he shouldn't even have to say that MULTIPLE times and so many ppl wouldn't miss it, but we did cuz our minds went off elsewhere cuz the video was not only pointless, but boring as well, and apparently, nearly 50 other ppl seem to agree with me, including his father it seems like, so Im not sure what you're talking about...
So basically the car is fine it's the owner who is defective
Not really no. No reason my brand new 27k cars taillights should be filled with water.
lol
basically he can't afford it.
@@PerformanceOnWheelskia wouldn't replace under warranty?
This is what he ment by the community being weird.
The 22 forte gt is honestly the best bang for buck in any price point.
Leather seats. Heated seats. Wireless charging. Sunroof. Navigation. Huge touch screen. AMAZING Michelin tires. Shit it even tells you where the cheapest gas is. Lane warnings. Lane assist self steering. Just so many features that each day surprise you more.
It has nothing missing you need. It has everything and for $27k? You can't find it anywhere else.
I was lucky to pay AT MSRP with no Covid market adjustments.
Dude I’m driving a 23 LXS and it’s a blast
I just got a GT with gt2 package, got it just a little under msrp, I don’t think I can get any other car with features the gt has for the price . Honestly a good car in general.
Lets see how long before it falls apart😂
I have a 23 LXS and I love it it has lane assist too self driving (steering wheel stays in the middle lane and adjusts accordingly) it brakes on its if it detects a car while backing up and it’s just a nice drive everytime
My grandfather got one and no extra features, mechanical seats, fabric too😢
I have nothing good to say...this was about 10 minutes of my life that I'll never get back.
Thank god you were just talking about how you were selling it due to your unique issues. I thought you found something that was wrong with the car itself. Still plan on picking one up as this car seems to be a better value than any car at this price range.
If I was buying new and comparing too new I would absolutely do it. But personally, I'd much rather have a c5 corvette for a 10 grand less.
@Performance On Wheels you won't be finding any C5 for $10k or less, lest it's one with salvage title or with really high mileage.
Each to their own, I love mine 🤙
Me too!
Me too
One of the best car i've ever owned !!
Same I just bought a brand new 2023 one
Same! Just bought a 2023 yesterday.
I love my steel grey GT2 best car I've had so far.
was hired to drive a 2023 one from point a to point b, didnt know it was a gt, a few miles in, im like what the hell is this, handling acceleration, superb, for the price, a very nice car.
I've had my 23 GT Manual for one week. I'm 36 and my insurance went up 50 bucks a month. I came from a 2014 Mirage that made a whopping 74 HP. If I had ever gotten pulled over and the cop said "Do you know why I pulled you over" I would of laughed and said "definitely not for speeding". I literally had to turn my AC off just to make it up a hill with the crappy 70hp engine and cvt transmission. Now I'm definitely gonna get in trouble because I have 3 pedals, 201hp, and six gears to choose from. My only complaint is the 3k RPM in 6th gear to maintain 70mph. Like, it screams for a 7th gear or a much taller 6th gear.
I had a 2000 mirage as my first car. Fuck everything about that car, terrible breaks, no power and drive like a car 4 times its size. I was in a wreck in my corolla last month. Insurance gave me a rental. 2022 Mirage. What was different? Nothing. A model 22 years newer drove exactly like the 2000 shitbox Mirage.
A mirage.. phew
it pays to be an old timer. I'm 70 years old, who lives in New Jersey. I'm paying $800.00 a year for full coverage, for my 2022 KIA Forte GT.
That is a excellent price on insurance
The „Nightmare of Ownership“ in the title picture is just clickbait.
the fact that youre complaining about insurance being 3000 a year with a 4dr sedan then you ramble about getting a corvette or mustang doesn't make any sense
Actually just bought a Corvette last week. Insurance is less than half of what this car costed me.
@@PerformanceOnWheels how
I appreciate the honesty here and presenting the issues as more personal. I'm at 9 months of ownership on my 22 GT DCT. Some things I love, some things I don't care for. But I will say if you know what to expect from this car, you understand what it is and what it isn't, you'll love it. I got a killer deal on it (no markup) my local Honda dealer wanted WAY more for a new Civic SI. Also, you'll enjoy the car a lot more if you swap the tires out from the factory Kumho all seasons.
Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of getting one, what was your out the door price and what state was it purchased in? Thanks ahead of time
@@carlangas991 If I remember correctly it was just over 27k. Got it with the GT2 package. So pretty much I paid MSRP. Put a decent down payment (few grand) and my monthly payment is a bit under $300.00. Purchased in upstate NY.
What tires did you change to?
What tire would you recommend swapping to? thanks in advance
What tires did you get for it?
Im thinking about getitng a 24 GT. Best bang for your buck. Obviously you get what you pay for. Hopefully your situation has improved since posting this video!
They are fun cars for sure! I ended up getting a new Maverick!
As a guy who just bought a 23 GT 6speed( and also drove the DCT) I have to disagree with you. The manual was clearly the better of the 2 to me personally first and foremost. I also believe the car is underrated in its horsepower numbers especially in sport mode. I had 15 WRX and 16 STi and GT has moments where it pulls just as hard as those especially the WRX down low. It’s not as consistent with those more powerful cars but it does push me into the seat plenty when opening it up. It’s a great car for the money considering everything else. Sucks for you that you don’t think it’s worth it to keep it. To each his own.
these kias are doing low 6s (one has even managed a 5.9) to 60mph, with fwd thats very impressive! i think that this car has the perfect amount of power, lux and dynamics for the price.
I have the 2022 6speed, I LOVE this car. It is FUN to drive in sport mode. The seats are the most comfortable I’ve had and I have degenerative disc disease. I throw on the heated seats and it’s so comfy and supportive on my back. I actually have felt annoyed by the car payment at times but this car is SO perfect for my back and fun to drive that I couldn’t justify selling it ever.
I do not like the 6 speed , the DCT makes the entire car , i couldn’t imagine having a manual tbh and NOT buying a Honda , this car is “performance based” , not a performance car , the DCT just makes the ride less jerky . And yeah the road noise is unacceptable and the ride is worse than a GTI . Definitely a 27k car , it’s worth no more or less lol
@@salwilk558 Makes no sense, literally handles better than an SI with that multi-link rear, yet a manual makes more sense on that? There's nothing jerky about it, and it's only second to Honda in quality.
@@extremeencounter7458 my car feels like my 19 normal forte , idk i wouldn’t do anything crazy in it . I’d rather have a New si manual , does it rlly handle better?
I owned a C4 (1989 Dual top convertible) - a 350CI engine with the same HP as this Forte GT's 95CI engine. Amazing how engines have shrunk, but HP has increased.
So now that you actually have to pay for it, you don't want to keep it. Man up, pay for it and keep it. It's a nice car. I have the same one, 2021, gray DCT. I love that DCT.
I would rather pay for a car I enjoy more. No need too "man" up too pay for somthing I don't enjoy enough. Would much prefer a corvette for 10k less. I enjoyed the DCT as well.
Love mine. 1.5 years in, and no quality issues.
Me too. 1.5 years and still love it!
Almost 3 years on my 2020 gt2
21 gt, 120,000 kilometers and going
I believe that's correct , when you are the new owner. You get a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty on the car.
But then when you sell it, the
2 owner or
3 owner will get a five year 60,k mile warranty on it
It is correct
Stop crying 😭, love, love my 22 GT, you still have time to join the Marines or the Army.
I'm doing great for myself without the marines or army. Thanks though. I don't want to pay for a car I don't enjoy enough to want too pay for.
I don't see where the nightmare aspect of car ownership was a factor. There was nothing substantial wrong with the car.
I had a 2020 Forte GT. I had an issue with the steering column twice. Some of your complaints were the ones I had as well but nothing major. The turbo versions of these tend to have issues after 50k miles if you don't have an oil catch can installed. I just decided to sell it back to dealership while I could still get a good amount of money for it. I have a work vehicle and an older truck so it was time for the Kia to go.
thanks for posting this. was looking at this car to be on the highway a lot, road noise an abosulte non-starter. NEXT~!
Different strokes for different folks, I love my 2021 GT Manual(Exactly one year of ownership today.) The only issue I've had is the adhesive under the lip spoiler has expanded out from underneath it, no doubt in my mind that it was due to some very hot days the past July as I found the problem right after the hottest week when I was washing her. I have an appointment to get that sorted out this weekend though.
Got that exact car. Took her cross country to move and it was a dream the whole way. Moved somewhere that gets that hot in the summers too, we'll see how it goes next year haha.
Do you have gt limited?
@@Dabal_R When I bought my car there were three trims, GT(DCT,) GT -Manual, and GT2(DCT.) I don't know what's different on the limited trim.
@@mystiqblackcat gt limited gets 200 hp whereas gt line comes with 147....and you're in which country?
@@Dabal_R I'm in the US. All three of the trims I listed are powered by the 1.6 Gamma T-GDI (G4FJ) engine which has 201 hp and 195 lbf-ft of torque. I have a GT Manual. The GT-Line is an available trim, it has most of the cosmetics from the GTs but has the 2.0L engine and CVT transmission.
being young and having to insure your car sucks its always going to be expensive. i just turned 32 and my rates for my car are finally starting to go down also taking driving classes like defensive classes can bring down your insurance rates if you can get them a certificate from a authorized driving school.
Good too know
You don’t like the engine. Which is pretty reliable at this point as it’s in many Kia and Hyundais and has been updated. It makes GOOD power compared to like 95% of cars sold at its price point.
But you like the DCT that’s clunky, not that quick to shift and sucks at slow speeds.
So you got rid of it because you cant have it for “free” and you can’t afford the insurance. But then talk about a corvette. Lol get your priorities straight.
This is like being able to live rent free at a house then being told the owner switched and that new owner told you that you gotta pay up, but you can’t cause you’re broke as shit. So you say this house sucks anyways. It didn’t suck when it was free tho.
They are pretty straight. He plans to buy a Corvette soon.
I had a Mazda2 hatchback and I just got a 2023 Forte like 2 weeks ago, I love it so much, and had enough saved up that I'm only going to have to pay off 7k in financing
That's awesome! Congrats!
Wow, that's great!!
Got two test drive this model car today this car is quick and fun to drive the seat's are not comfortable road noise is very noticeable and ride quality isn't great so I bought the bigger brother K5 GT Line very pleased with that purchase
Sounds like we both had pretty much the same summary! Enjoy your new K5!
Literally just bought my 2024 Kia forte and loving the mpg and features. Just wanted a daily work commute
Sounds like you’re hating on it because you can’t afford it anymore …
I can afford it just fine. Just don't want too afford it. Nor did I hate on it.
@@PerformanceOnWheels ok …. You hated on it the entire video.
Pointing out flaws of a vehicle is not hating on it. I could point out 20 flaws on my ctsv. I still love the car at the end of the day. I could point out flaws on my dream car the dodge viper yet if still love too own one
@@PerformanceOnWheels Bro, just get a second job and keep it. Problem solved!
@@PerformanceOnWheels "To not "too".
Bought mine recently. 2024 Gt2 package. Fun to drive!!
Love my 22 Kia Stinger GT2. Kia just hitting it out of the park lately. But you should do what makes you happy!
They have definitely made some amazing improvements over the years
Meh. I like my Forte GT more than the Stinger.
I have a 2011 Forte SX 5 Door that I bought new.The car is triple black with leather and sunroof . The 6 spd auto still shifts smoothly. That 2.4 173 hp engine has plenty of power. I still enjoy driving it.
I recently got a 2021 Kia Forte Top of the line GT and it’s amazing it feels sporty without feeling like you’re going to splash yourself against something and the interior looks identical to the 2023 version
When I got the call for this car and I drove it's manual trans I took it home. Very fun. UT the 1st gear to me. Is slow on launch. Just me. I haven't drove manually since 2016 I am novice
OK, so my first take on this is you may have some entitlement issues, the car, on the other hand, not so much, and actually sounds like it's pretty decent. Not hating on you, just my honest take.
I'm all good. Much happier with my Ford Maverick over that
I've had my 2023 Forte GT DCT for 2wks and love it! Same color as yours. 🥰
Definitely an awesome color!
I just bought mine yesterday lol
So you did what a lot of employees do. Buy it at below MSRP, wait for car prices to keep going up on a used car and sell it for profit. Too bad used car prices have started lowering for you but at least you got it of it while you could.
I would have kept it if I had stayed with the company. I'm just glad I didn't loose money.
First world problems bruh..... the car is dirt cheap. Best bang for your buck. Next.
My used bmw begs to differ. If you don't know how to work on cars- it's the best bang for your buck
im going on a year of having it and i have zero complaints i do miss having a bigger car but thats not the cars fault at all ive driven cross country twice in it and its been nothing but great
I’ve owned my Kia Cerato GT…(Australian name for forte GT) for 2years, best car I’ve owned. It’s got power, comfort and excellent safety features…..I like it so much I’ve just ordered a new one, giving the older one to my daughter. So you’re selling a perfectly good car for a second hand car that someone else has driven it to death. 20 years old you still have a lot to learn…
And insurance for those 2nd hand cars he mentioned he want are going to be even higher. Smh...youth these days.
Is the road noise bad on the Aussie model? I'm looking at the 2023 model but road noise is a concern for me, I drive a lot on our shit highways haha
Selling it because you lost the job and benefits and making others not like the car is not matured dude.
You did not understand what I was stating in the video. I didn't like the car enough to want to pay for it without the benefits. Ive got a brand new Ford Maverick now which I find to be better in many ways
the paint quality is amazing, I have a 2019 Forte with no issues. Road noise is competitive for the class, in fact I would say it's one of the quietest car in the class. The Forte has underbody sound insulation panels that other cars like the Corolla or the Nissan kicks don't/ I hate that you are defaming a great car cause your expectaions are crazy for the class of car. Want a quite compact ? buy a 3 series. Don't be ridiculous.
The insulation hanging from the bottem of the entire underside of mine begs too differ about any sound. I joined just about every forte group. Everyone complained about the extremely easy too scratch paint. I'm not defaming the car. I'm starting the actual things I experienced. I actually did just buy a 3 series last week
I have the exact same car and enjoying it 8 months in
I’d definitely only get one if you can get the deals , which Kia isn’t offering anymore . Good luck
Oh wow you’re 20 ?
Got quoted $7,800cad a year for a used 2020 Forte GT as a 18 year old for insurance😭
I really wish they would have made a higher performance version of Forte GT w/ the Elantra N engine and upgraded wet dual clutch. It would have made a great sleeper.
I agree
My 2021 GT is the nicest car I have ever owned, and I’m 50 so I have owned many different cars. It offers 80s super car performance in a 4 door sedan. This generation has no idea how lucky they are. It accelerates as quickly as my dad’s old grand national and handles 10x better and I can fit my kid and dog in the back without issue
He's not selling the vehicle because it's a bad car. He's selling it because he's too young and can't afford it. Fortes are decent cars.
I could afford it just fine. Didn't want to pay for a car I did not enjoy
It's OK buddy. We've all been there. As far as cars like that, like the Kia and the Hyundai, you either pay on the front end or the back end. You get what you pay for. I would rather pay on the front end and get something nicer than save a buck and get some thing of poor quality that's already has water in the taillights.
I’ll also add that I’m in Australia and we must get a different built (not sure if they come out the same factory)
I haven’t experienced any of the things you mentioned and have to say paint quality is actually very good. I did have a Honda Civic previously and recall a guy over there complaining about the paint too but ours here are fine 🤷♂️
Have to say it’s a better car than the 2020 Civic Grand Tourer
Is your built in Mexico as well? Everyone I've talked too about this car complains about the paint. You can (non exaggerating) scratch it with your finger nail. Other than those minor things. It really was a fantastic car!
@@PerformanceOnWheels ahh huh there’s the difference. Ours come out the factory in South Korean but Kia and Hyundai Australia do their own Australian suspension tune which they pride themselves on. Also our Honda’s come from Thailand. I think yours are built in the States right?
Looking forward to seeing your new Vet!
I believe they are yes!! I was pursuing a vett but found a pretty killer deal on a BMW Z4. Going too tinker on this for a while and make some videos.
@@PerformanceOnWheels cool 🤙
Let’s hope that’s built in Germany 😂
It's built in the US🤣
The problem is the piece behind the steering wheel….you!😂
🤣 that was pretty hilarious
Road noise? Thats your first complaint? On a sub $30k car? Make it make sense.
Yeah road noise. I've been in plenty of "sub 30k" cars. That doesn't make it an excuse? My girlfriends sub 20k corolla has less than half the road noise that forte had.
@@PerformanceOnWheels Fair enough. It just felt like a helluva first reason to not like it.
Warranty is cut in half and yet it still has better warranty than anything out there with 3/36 5/60. Lol
thats insane..... I pay 3k a year for 3 cars and a house. One of those vehicles is a 2015 Vette with full coverage.
I love driving it but I'm a newbie at the manual transmission. I haven't had a stick since 2016 my ek civic b18c so I have to get to know my new transmission and the turbo etc 🙃
The manual is definitely better. Sounds like you just need to sell it because you can't afford it.
I could afford it just fine. I didn't want to afford a car I didn't enjoy enough to be paying for. A corvette for 10k less is a substantially better time in my opinion.
@@PerformanceOnWheels Just put a tune on it. Problem solved!
A waste of my time watching. He doesnt have points
Well he has points. They just are not relevant to you.
Makes title and thumbnail that indicates issues with the car. Then proceeds to say he's selling it because he doesn't get it for essentially free now and insurance is ~$150 a month. But everything else is great. What the fuck is this clickbait shit?
I did not say everything else is great. The lack of sound insulation is absolutely terrible. My taillights are filled with water with no miles on it. The seats suck on road trips. The suspension is far too harsh. Worried about it blowing up when the warranty ends. I was so not a fan of it that I had no interest in owning it without a benefit was the whole point in the video.
Saab 9-3 or 9-3 wagon, or Volvo V50 s40 or C30 are the best used car bargains. 2010-2011. Every one in the Northeast is a better price than Hondas and Toyotas. The Volvos go a million miles. Saab not so much but they look great with AWD. And then wait for the Alfa Tonale used. You can modify these cars up to insane horsepower. My Volvo V50 is the best! 5 cylinder engine note is beautiful. It drives so comfortably. And has tons of room in the back.
You ain't gonna find any of those cars you mentioned for $10k or less. He only want to spend $8k -$10k or less.
Thanks for making these reviews. I have been looking for a new 2023 manual. Looking a Forte and Mazda 3. Found Mazda 3 on sale, but they only sell it with leather seats. Even with that comes out less than the Kias. Dealer still wants $4,500 over MSRP to cover life time oil changes. Another dealer wants $1,500 over MSRP. He knows he can rake me over the coals. For the car is not easy to find.
Are you looking at used car to get it under $10,000? Cheapest that I have found is Nissan Versa. About $17,000.
I had a Veloster DCT. This transmission never gave me confidence it would last long, with ratcheting noises frequently occurring. Also shifted slower than Kia's own CVT when shifted manually with the base 2.0
I also own a gt. I'm surprised that no one talks about the steering above 70mph... It's overly sensitive. Very hard to make small corrections. It doesn't even look like I've moved the steering wheel at all and it will veer over. Going over bumps on the highway or correcting wind draft from a larger vehicle when passing them in an adjacent lane. Making those corrections is something I find rather challenging to do smoothly. Has anyone else noticed this? I have driven many cars over my 33 years and this is hands down the most sensitive steering above 70mph that I've encountered.
Road noise? Didn't you test drive it?
20 year old complaining about insurance on a economy car, then talks about buying sports cars to replace it. Seems legit.
Sure is! Insurance on my CTS-V is less than half the ammout! I've gotten quotes for a corvette for the same!
20,000 miles I still love mine the engine is easy to work on and I drove home to Tennessee my fiance enjoyed it alos my insurance is only 1,100 dollars amd totaled two cars how the blank is 3,000 dollars
I’ve had my 2021 Forte GT 6 sp for about two years and NOT ONE ISSUE what sooo ever. I’m looking to trade up to a 2023 very sooon.
So u are salty because u got fired…and no way ur 20 years old
My son is now 21...... He is old.
I have Mercury insurance and my 22 GT manual is only $68 a month full coverage with a $50 deductible. But I’m 49 and have never had a ticket.
Austin. Sorry for the delay in commenting. I just realized you posted this one. Enjoyed the content on Kia Forte GT. Your owner experience will help many who want to buy one. Very mature and responsible of you to decide to sell this car. Totally respect your reason. However I know this isn’t your last vehicle. I know you find something awesome to make new memories in and I know you will share your experiences with us. We are looking forward to that. Be well.
I already got it's replacement! We will probably make the first video on it tomorrow! Thanks for checking in Alex. Always great to hear from you!
I was literally looking to buy one of these new within the next couple of weeks, but after you told me about the taillights filling up with rain water, that’s a no go for me. 😐
I mean I wouldn't let that stop you, they should cover it under warranty
I just tested this on my car poured water over both for over 5 mins with water hose and no water in mine.
So why put watch before you buy on the thumbnail. Kinda clickbait IMO. Nothing wrong with the car and yes Kia would have fixed that on a brand new car.
Just get a second job and keep it! Put a tune on the car for more HP!!!!!
I'm doing more than fine at my current job. TH-cam is my second job. I don't want to pay for somthing I don't enjoy that much.
Not really a good reason to sell the car.
It's a better reason to keep somthing you don't enjoy enough to want to pay for?
He literally gave nothing but personal reasons on why he's selling it and they're all personal good reasons depending on what type of car person you are so I'm not really understanding what you mean Sir.
@@PerformanceOnWheels I suppose you didn't do your homework before you bought. Too bad for you.
I did all the research I did and I'm glad I bought it. Was a nice car too have for the time I had it. Just didn't enjoy it enough to care too pay for it.
I'm putting a 10grand down payment at a msrp of 27,635$ though I am going to try to haggle what do you think is the lowest they would go? What payments were you looking at? I have a good range credit score and a 10grand down-payment is a large one. This car at this price range is just the best with what you get feature wise unless you want a hyundai hybrid, a volkswagen jetta gli is the only comparable car but at a higher price. I'm just nervous to get this car it'd be my first new purchade
I put 6k down. Had a 2.9 percent interest rate and 385 a month payments. I would be willing too bet they won't go below sticker because they could easily sell it at sticker in this market. I would be happy your not paying over sticker.
Bought mine today in white. Had to shop at different dealers to get msrp...hate dealers
Put your $10k into a 4% APY 12 month cd and let the interest make your payments. Don't throw that much cash down on a depreciating liability
Banker here
You're haggling wrong. They make more money if they think you're going to finance the entire purchase with them. That makes them more lenient on the purchase. After you come to a price agreement then you drop the 10k on them. I'm not saying hagglin's going to work in this economy but that's 101 for car buying
A banker would think that lol. If it's interest rate on the loan is higher than the interest rate back on the CD it's obviously going to be a loss. I bet his interest rate is probably five or six at least.
My cousin is considering a 2023 Forte GT-Line around $25k before tax. How does that fare with GT or the regular Elantra SEL Convenience?
Sounds like there asking over MSRP. Basically the same car as the elantra
Each to their own. Gotta disagree on DCT trannie part. The manual is a very capable box that could withstand a decent amount of power and had minor issues. The only issue that im aware of is the bearing of 5th gear can deteriorate at faster rate. Otherwise it's a great transmission. DCT on the other hand wasnt that well received in USA/EU and by the kia forums
I originally was gonna give a dct a try but the sales guy recommended getting a manual if I was ever planning any power adding mods. He drives a Forte GT manual too with stg 2 tune, downpipe, intake, and few other he mention. The DCT can only handle up to 240 or 250 hp I think
Every car will have it's issues. My Audi A3 DCT blew out at 25k and had to be warrantied for a new one. Things break, nothing new.
Dude casually admits to insurance fraud lol
Huh?
@@PerformanceOnWheels you said you spent your claim money for hail damage on the CTSV for your insurance premium on the Forte
That's not insurance fraud at all. People choose not to spend the money they receive from insurance to fix hail damage all the time. Your still receiving money for your vehicle now being valued as less.
Question: I’m considering getting this for my next car in December, but I don’t don’t know how to drive a manual. Do you NEED to use the paddles on the 7 speed Dual Clutch Automatic, or will the car shift on its own? Should I step down to the GT Line?
It will shift on its own without using paddles. You can use the paddles for fun if you would like. Up too you if you want too step down too the gt line. It was be a smoother riding suspension with much better gas mileage. However you will loose out on the 60 horse and more "fun" driving experience vs a commuter car
@@PerformanceOnWheels thanks for the insight!
Okay well it seems like you came from luxury and to me the forte would be an upgrade to the cars I have ever owned sincerely dodge neon and fiat 500
I loved my fiat 500
Has anyone noticed that the new gts have no exhaust, ? The exhaust is a single pipe behind the rear bumper
My bad the gt line has no exhaust its hidden behind the rear bumper my gt has a duel exhaust system
Got a 24 GT and have modded the hell out of it. Love this car so much this dude is trippin
I sent your video to a co worker whom is having major issues with hers. I see people saying they love there but to each there own. Her's has been in the shop 4x and still not fixed. They are giving her hell with a loaner vehicle as well. Just sayin. Loved your video and understand from first witness here why it got traded.
If that car has the turbo engine and you drive it hard it's probably not going to last long turbo engines put so much pressure on the internal parts if they're driven aggressively they wear out sooner
Your last drive? How are you going to get home?
Walked
Smart man. Get off the ship before it sinks. I still like the tiger nose but again that's about all
In a world where the Kia GT gets rave reviews I guess this TH-camr needed a different view even if it has to be fabricated and exaggerated. A shame to start putting some fault against the car. Otherwise the man is a fool to commit to such an expense he couldn’t afford. I love mine. I only bought a new car because this car exists.
Wasn't "fabricated or exaggerated" at all. I talked about my complaints and stated even with those complaints I wouldn't sell the car and I was simply selling it because I didn't enjoy it enough to pay for it
If you want to keep the same levels of tech (in some ways better) look at a dodge dart GT. It has sport suspension and all. Not fast though. Not sure how you feel about speed. It’s basically the equivalent to this forte handling and interior wise. GT AND LIMITED trims ONLY
why not toyota corolla?
@@braetonwilson4296 because ew. Those are ugly and stale for the years the dart was made. Tin cans with cost cutting underbody construction in terms of materials. The dart is just a better buy. Aluminum front and rear subframe, a semi adaptive suspension on GT models standard ETC. don’t get any of this on a Corolla.
I’m sorry, limited trims don’t handle like this, it has tech being the top “luxury “ trim level.. the GT has a different steering rack, and a different engine/ trans tune .
@@braetonwilson4296 and a older Corolla doesn’t have good tech. It has good driver assistance but not good tech.
nathaniel, i was referring to the 2024 Corollas that have wireless apple carplay/android auto, over the air updates etc.
You're strange. You don't know how lucky you are.
Sucks I’ll still have to spend money adding more clear coats to keep the paint protected
You definitely will. It scratches very easily from the factory.
My dealer had a $400 for 2 year paint warranty
Hey I was just wondering I’m a porter at Kia and was wondering how did you get the 300 equity and if I’d be allowed to receive it also
That was a benefit thru my particular employer
Is the 2022 DCT anybetter than 2019-2021 where there is throttle lag when you floor it and surging under full throttle and then rev hang after you let off the throttle?
Maybe you will make a good president some day
Does a 2018 Forte with a manual transmission have hilltop assist?
I agree about the clutch. It's soo soo slow in 1st gear. I just took home a 2023, woth the exhaust dual package so I know it was t made in Mexico not that that is a thought. But every car I turned in my forte a 2022. 2.0 auto no sunroof but aye I am digging my new gt
I have a 23 GT Line. So I have the 1.6L. But it is an AMAZING car.
Getting one tomorrow, but they're overcharge me for it. 32k out the door, but then I searched out town and I seen it for 24k.. I really want a new car..but damn so hard to find the one
I definitely wouldn't buy over MSRP on one of these. You will never get it back.
@@PerformanceOnWheels I'm wait until December. To either get one or wait
If you're paying $32k for a Forte GT you might as well just shoot yourself for being stupid. Never ever pay over MSRP for any car. And when you talk to car sales ppl, don't be acting like you really want the car. Play hard to get, they'll come around.
I would assume the LX and GT Line models of the Kia Forte will be similar.
*$3K/ year insurance? I had a DUI in 1982 when I was 20 and was paying $2K/ year then, so I understand your pain!*
get an srt4 they're cheap and fun to drive. I regret selling mine for the forte gt every day
I was looking at trying to find one. Everyone near me was rusted out like nothing else unfortunately.
Next ? GT3-RS ?
If you would be willing to give me one, absolutely!