He drove them out to a remote area, wrapped them in blankets, gave them teddy bears, and then placed them in an underground sanctuary? Sounds like an indirect confession of burying them.
Really sick people that kill truly believe what they say. They probably are in a grave some where. And he probably also does believe that they are happy and safe. It's a sick sick way of thinking that no one talks about.
@@MentokTheMindTaker What proof do you have that the mother was sexually assaulting her sons? She had sex with a 14 yr old (not her son) over a decade before. While that is disgusting, it is not proof of sexual abuse of her own children. One thing you will learn if you watch enough true crime, when one parent is afraid they’re going to lose custody of their children, they often accuse the other of sexual abuse of the children. IIRC, it was so common in one state, they passed a law stating if you falsely accuse the other parent of abuse for the purpose of swaying the judge in the custody hearing, you automatically lose custody. Also, you can never trust a killer to tell the truth. I don’t believe for one minute that she was abusing those boys
Yes, that sounds like he put dead children in the ground . Also, Underground Sanctuary is an obvious code name for buried. They are underground and safe is what he is saying- it’s heartbreaking.
My mom told me recently that, decades ago, she nearly murder-suicided me and my siblings in the depths of her divorce which caused depression and suicidal thoughts. She never went through with it because she couldn’t bear to see my older siblings fight back. She’s never felt that way since. Anyone who knows her, including her kids (and even her ex-husband!), doesn’t believe for a moment that she would ever consider doing that to us in a million years because she’s an incredibly devoted and loving mom. Hell, she once cried out of guilt for ACCIDENTALLY slamming my brother's hand in the car trunk door...and he wound up being perfectly fine. She’d take a bullet for any of us, but back then she genuinely thought killing us would be better for us because she was so depressed that she couldn't envision a world where we would be happy. Luckily, she hasn’t been depressed or suicidal before or since that divorce. My point is, "love" is sometimes what causes them to act so drastically. Especially if they maybe have had a history of depression or suicidal thoughts (though my mom didn't even have a history of that until then). Maybe not for Chris Watts, but certainly for some parents. Love can take twisted, cruel forms in the mind of a sick person.
@@headphonic8 Stockholm Syndrome is real, apparently. Just because someone was mentally ill enough to think killing their children is love doesnt make it so. It makes it delusional
Skelton's mother saying, "Did anybody think that they are happy where they are?" Somebody is happy where they are for sure! The father, mother and their son give me the creeps!
This reminded me of Timmothy Pitzen! His mother “gave him to some people and is now safe” before her suicide! That was about 6months after the Skelton brothers went missing!
I remember that case. Ladies here called her a "hero for saving the baby from that abusive monster" and things like that. I never heard anything about "abuse" from him in that case. I guess some just make up their minds based on hysterical emotions.
Yes. That happened right in my home town. Drives me nuts wondering if that little darlin is buried around there somewhere. She was obviously very ill.😮💨
Oh yours too? Lol when I was 8 we bought what was likely a puppy mill dog from a shopping mall pet store. Fox terrier. He had a bad temperament and would bite me and my other family members out of nowhere. My parents took him back to the store demanding a refund. The manager said nothing was wrong with him and she handled him and he bit the shit out of her. Yeah my parents gave me a letter from the "new" owners saying he lived on a farm and was having a blast now.
That is exactly what I thought about when that part about the kids going to live on a farm came up. My ex-husband and I told our son that our beloved dog went to live on a farm about 2 hours away from us. Over the years he has asked about the dog, and I tell him that he's very happy because he met a dog wife and they have puppies.
I'm weirded out by the "went to live on a farm" story that the dad is spinning... I mean, that's the same story that kids get told when a pet dies, innit?
It broke the hearts of many Michigan parents when these boys went missing. I still think of them often and hope they're found so their mother may know some semblance of peace 🥺
He's already setting the stage for if/when the kid's bodies are found: "Oh.... maybe I was duped! Maybe they were stolen!" He'll be able to say, "I gave these guys my kids and THEY killed them! I thought they would save them but they were actually BAD GUYS!" 🙄
@@nannerlchanel5045 well, he should've killed himself if he intended to. Not that I want him dead, but if he killed his children to not loose them and then tried to kill himself, why is he still alive?
You’re very correct. I’m a former police officer and have investigated many incidents such as this. My specialty was interviewing and interrogation. The detectives who worked on the case should have picked up on that statement and immediately worked on his conscience. He shouldn’t be released from prison until the boys are found.
I feel sorry for the grandparents. They have to believe their son is telling the truth because the alternative is facing the reality that their son killed his own children and that is horrific! I wouldn't want to face that reality either!
I agree. Everyone is saying they are stupid and evil but I honestly believe that they cannot handle the truth of their own son murdering his children, their grandchildren. It’s really a sad situation
I feel sorry for the children and the mother the grandparents delusion is nothing to feel sorry about… maybe if they didn’t believe him and held him accountable he would lose hope and talk idk
If the kids resurface in a few years, as they claim he will, then critics will be proved wrong. If they do not resurface, he should be charged with their murder. What casts doubt on his claim is the attempted suicide, which seems like the act of a murderer.
Yup I know a guy who killed 2 people and even let his uncle take the blame for the 1at murder and told us about the second before the body was even found. Years later he did a lie detected test and passed on tv. Given enough time they can convince themselves
This makes me sad and mad at the same time! This A hole could of saved so much grief if he would confess. That poor mother has been in agony and deserves closure and to be able to properly bury her babies. I hope someone will come forward with the truth, someone has to know something other than the POS father!
He won’t admit to what he did because he doesn’t want to be held accountable for it. You’re right though, he won’t confess unless he finally kills himself and leaves a note. Doubt it though, he’s too much of a coward to kill himself. He said he gave them to the “Underground Sanctuary” ... basically a “nice” way of saying he put them in a grave.
Just a horrific story. The grandparents are my neighbors. On the mother side.Absolutely beautiful people. They both miss their grandsons everyday. Cant believe something happened like this in a small town. I totally believe the Dad knows what happened to the Boys..
If he buried them they might be found eventually depending on how well of a job he did and weather conditions. I want them found as soon as possible before he can be released and disappear.
Parents: don’t talk to strangers online and don’t give out your personal details- This parent: “kids you’re going to live with a stranger from the Internet...”
And hopefully my sons, they won’t sex you. But hey, if they do, just pretend it’s sex education. No probs. Ok I’ll be off now and hope you get in well with your new strangers. I’m sure everything will work out. 😰😱
"John's mom agreed that what he did was irresponsible and stupid." (shows photo of John with two of his children on a motorcycle, one bungee corded to his chest with a lit cigarette dangling over him)
I've always thought this. I watched another documentary on the case, and Tanya comes across as disgusting... all she could talk about is how much her boys love HER, and generally talks like she owns them... gross, really really gross.
sharon brown no no one checked. And if you look into such cases as Victoria Climbie and Baby P, who suffered horrific injuries his entire life and yet MULTIPLE social workers failed to intervene leading to the 18 month old boy dying from being beaten to death. A doctor had seen him a week previously and failed to see multiple fractured ribs, cigarette burns, lacerations and A BROKEN SPINE. So these parents who think they’re big strong people beating on a tiny child, get away with it because so-called professionals think a child is being difficult because they can’t sit still to be examined after sustaining a broken spine at their hands of his “carers”. There are so very very many cases where children have been killed because professionals have failed multiple times to recognise extremely obvious abuse. It’s actually even difficult to believe these failings aren’t purposeful to be honest, because they are so ridiculously obvious. I watched a documentary recently regarding a little girl called Ayla Reynolds who was allowed into the care of her father after she had sustained many injuries which he was suspected of inflicting, the mostly recent of which was a broken arm caused by rotation of the arm. This pig murdered his daughter by beating her to death, blood was found all over his house, in his car, on her car seat etc and there were 3 people in the house the night this toddler disappeared - kidnapped if you believe what he says happened. From a basement room that had no windows. Not one of them would come forward and admit what had happened but the amount of blood and vomit in his home showed the child couldn’t have lived after sustaining such injuries. Then there’s jonbenet Ramsey, who was found dead, strangled with her head bashed in, in her parents basement and yet again money was able to buy the freedom now the parents who were guilty as all hell, of at least covering up the fact that their savage little shitbag of a son killed his sister, if not murdering her themselves. Most people think the ramseys to have been exonerated but this is completely untrue. The grand jury voted to indict them but nothing ever happened. I wonder why? Maybe money can buy innocence? Or at least the illusion of innocence. Which brings me to the most infamous and prolific case of a missing child in history, and if anyone doesn’t know about it, they’ve been living under a rock for 10 years. Madeleine McCanns parents refused to answer something like 48 out of 50 questions when questioned by the Portuguese police, acted very strangely as if they didn’t know their daughter had gone missing by doing things like go jogging the day after, employing the UKs most expensive spin doctor, ahem, I mean PR consultant, raked in about 20million at LEAST from the find Maddy campaign, which was never used to finance finding maddie but was instead used to pay off their mortgage and ensure neither ever had to work since. The maddie fund was falsely believed by most of the public to be a charity but was in fact actually a limited company. As well as having cadaver dogs alert in the holiday apartment and the family car, the father Jerry has been seen on a boozey dinner party anecdote regaining his guests with how his daughter Maddy can do certain things well, then mimics a sucking noise and mimics doing nipple circles. And how about Kate’s disgusting book, wherein she speaks about how she imagines madeleines “perfect little genitals being torn to pieces”. I mean if your child went missing would you be thinking that? Is that a normal response do you think? And who describes their toddler daughter as having “perfect” genitals? I only need to say the words Jeffrey and suicided without needing to say his surname Ep=$tein for you to immediately know who I mean and be reminded of how many little girls suffered immensely both physically and mentally at the hands of this abomination, helped by a woman, who is naturally supposed to love care and nurture children. Obviously then there is “Prince” Andrew... whose BBC interview body language has been broken down by a TH-cam body language expert by the name of Van Der Shaik, and it’s not a good sign... And those are just a tiny slice of how, when we look very carefully, or actually, if we literally just scratch the surface, we can see proof that not only is the child protective system rigged to fail, it is actually put in place by the biggest and strongest pedophile ring in order to PROVIDE children to the pedophiles, who rank all the way from trailer trash to “Prince” of England, not to PROTECT them. I am NOT blaming most of the front line workers who try to help children although some of those need to be held accountable too, such as those involved in the cases I’ve mentioned here, but most of them do good work with the resources they have at their disposal which isn’t much. If you see an agency is called “Save the Children” you can be pretty sure that it actually is in existence to do anything but save the children, but instead has been commissioned to fund the trafficking of children for example. As per Hillary Clinton’s involvement in such things. I typed quite a bit here and if you read it hopefully I’ve given you some food for thought. Please look into the cases I’ve mentioned and do some research into how most governments have sexual abuse claims against them, mostly proven and mostly having been conveniently ended by such things as a rather timely suicide here and there or a sympathetic judge. The British government had a huge paedophile ring busted open only for everyone to fall strangely silent and all the files “go missing”. The “Queen” of England has been accused of taking ten children from a Canadian orphanage in the late 1960s. The lead witness was coincidentally killed a few weeks before he was due to testify. Of course, there’s no need to mention how many very famous paedophiles are very good friends with old Queenie - “people” like Sir Jimmy Saville - who was given the KEYS to many homes and hospitals and apparently liked to have relations with corpses. Paedophilia really is systemic, trafficking is the worlds most lucrative industry and the drugs and diamonds industries are almost always to finance the trafficking. It’s great to watch things like this which is a mini bitesize chunk of the kind of things that happen but I IMPLORE you, for the sake of the children, to look into what I’ve said even if you find it far fetched. It’s possible to prove these things with documentary evidence so there’s no excuse for ignorance. They distract us constantly with meaningless drivel, and have us divided almost completely at every angle - white/black, conservative/liberal, and now been the most natural union of male/female is being destroyed with feminism. The children deserve us to be enlightened not ignorant and we can’t be enlightened if we’re distracted or ignorant. If we can expose every little deed done in darkness, the world will be a far better place. God bless.
Christ I lucked out with my ex wife. Yeah we hated each other for a while, now we do joint custody and trade weeks while married to different partners. We work together to make the kids lives better.
This is such a strange case. It's hard to even start to get to grips with, because it's unclear why both parents (seemingly) had lost custody of their children from their first marriages. Tanya was also, if my math is correct, in her thirties when she was convicted of the sex crime involving the fourteen year old. That's not some vague Romeo and Juliet stuff, that's deliberate and predatory. That doesn't mean she'll assault any 14 year old she sees, but it also is hard (as it should be) to wave away as a youthful misjudgement. John doesn't come across as believable, and he does come across as desperate. It's hard to even speculate whether one of the sons confided abuse that he acted on in the only way he believed he could (the courts having been unsympathetic to his parental abduction trump card in the past). Did he, fearing that he would lose them to Tanya and that he would fail to protect them, kill them? I find it hard to come up with a guess at all. Was he using Tanya's criminal past as an excuse for his behavior? Why did he opt to have three children with a registered sex offender? I have so many questions.
I still remember helping searching for the boys for days and days and days. Walking for miles and miles through woods, fields, campgrounds, etc with the whole community. I still cry about it...
Unfortunately the statistics backup that these poor boys are dead. No loving parent negotiations the transfer of their children to someone they’ve contacted online ? His actions reek of a cold hearted control freak that killed his children.
I can't even imagine how painful and traumatic that must have been. Thank you so much for showing such kindness and courage. I live a North of Adrian and remember this like it was yesterday. I wonder if the Lost Nations nature preserve was searched? It is on the outskirts of Pittsford. There is (was) a shooting range, lots of trails for hiking and many many acres of land that rarely if ever sees people... I have no doubt that a thorough search was performed, I just wonder if that area was ever looked at.
Same here. Grew up in Edon, right by Montpelier, and it was rough searching. I remember this terrible conflicting feeling I had, where I desperately wanted to find them to help out, but part of me didn't because I don't know if I could take finding 3 dead boys. Glad you were able to help.
@@MrThe1234guy They are dead. First off he attempted suicide. A father who cares about his kids wouldn't let them go through that. Secondly the fact that a woman from the underground sanctuary was supposedly amish but he met her online. Amish people don't use computers. Thirdly he also claimed that guy from the reality tv show about helping amish people escape the religion was the one who was supposed to help him get his kids back but the guy had no idea what he was talking about. Fourth thing that makes it obvious he said he told the interviewer he can't provide evidence the boys are alive until he gets out of prison but somehow he can provide the evidence to the FBI and his lawyer. Lastly if he was worried about his kids and how they were supposedly getting sexually abused by their mom he wouldn't have risked handing them off to strangers that might sexually abuse them too
Crazy my parents told me the same story about my old dog going to a underground playground & I believed them as a CHILD. But of course when I got older it’s revealed that the dog DIED! So those poor boys are gone . I hope they will be found one day .
The oldest boy would be almost 20. Old enough to have gone back, or voiced some sort of response to all of this. Surely, if he were alive, he would be on social media. Have to think they are no longer alive.
I thought the same thing. They are in their mid to late teens now...surely old enough to try to get in touch with their mother. Of course, if the father's story is true, we don't know what he may have said to the boys. He may very well have said something to turn them against her, like telling them that she didn't love or want them anymore and was sending them away. All of this is pointless speculation, however. Sadly, I think we all feel in our hearts that those boys are dead.
Gimmix89 well the Amish allow their 18 yr olds to leave and “discover” the world so hey can be sure that they want He Amish life, so it’s not that far fetched..
paxsmile They were all well old enough to remember their mom and dad. No young person would carry on through their 20’s without at least publicly coming out and saying “My name is x, and I’m safe and well.” They would be old enough to refuse to see their parents if they didn’t want to re-establish contact, but I can’t imagine at least not wanting to get that weight of the past off your shoulders at the minimum.
Im mot disagreeing with the assumption that he killed the boys but amish communities are extremely effective at controlling information and keeping things in the community
@OverLord 666 no..but if he would have sent them 'underground' as mentioned early in the video they'd be in safe homes with loving ppl who's only goal is to protect the child from the monster that was hurting them.. I'd never want them abducted but there are cases where children have been abducted into loving homes for usually the abductors selfish maternal reasons.. I'm not the op and not sure they meant it the way you may have perceived it..i do agree with you..waaay to many freaks out there..but I get what the op was saying too..✌💖😊😷
yeah y'all are right too, but I obviously didn't mean it as "oh i wish they weren't dead but being sexually trafficked or abused and tortured somewhere..." what I meant was the whole time I was watching I was waiting for Mike to say the boys were found safe but away with some stranger who were raising them or some shit like that rather being killed in the hands of their own father... I was probably being too naive expecting something like that idk...but it's true they probably would've end up in horrible circumstances anyway...
I’m so thankful my ex and I had amazing skills co-parenting together before he passed. We have 3 little boys and this breaks my heart, these poor boys were failed from the beginning.
I do nothing else since I found him, haven’t told my therapist about my relationship with him yet hehe… think he is sick of me . I say I love you Mike an he no longer says it back at the end an longer 😂
Am I the only one who wonders where those remains in the shed came from? Someone else may likely have lived and died never knowing what happened to those three either.
Yeah, what a BS story. You would think that someone who plans a crime of this magnitude would invest a little time to come up with a plausibe story. They might just as well claim the easter bunny abducted the kids....
He probably doesn't even think about his murdered kids. They were out of his mind, the minute he finished burying them. Hope he gets whats coming to him.
Nah, I bet whenever something he sees that reminds him of his boys gives him an excited feeling that he **knows** where they’re buried and their mom won’t ever know.
He’s probably relaxing in PC somewhere where he’s safe unfortunately. You know, people like this get to be in some of the best facilities and put in PC where nobody will hurt him. Meanwhile, a guy who got caught and charged with some weed is in medium custody getting beat up by the inmates and correctional officers everyday. Ahhhh, the good ole “justice” system. 🙄
I keep wondering if "Underground sanctuary" is his twisted way of saying they're buried and in his twisted mind they're now safe, wrapped in blankets with teddy bears. As soon as I heard that name my mind went "Oh hell, he buried them "
I have alcoholics in my family and i can tell you the longer the drinking goes on the more delusional they get. They dont even know they are lying anymore and they believe whatever nonsense they come up with that makes THEM feel justified or ok.
do you feel that the narcissist (male) is all in the same mindsets. it's like they were created from a petri dish. What did they do with all those test tube babies!? 😕 I'm aware that the neglect (and tragic abuse) of a child will stunt maturity. the lack of emotions are from never being interactive with human encounters. in conclusion, all they have is ego to guide them. that's their adrenalin high and they can't think of consequence of their actions. this is personal perspective, I hold no credentials. Thank you for sharing!
@@donnariddle5384 I don't really see why you added that "(male)" part, which implies thar female narcissists are more diverse in your view. Is that a correct assesment on my part, and if so, what makes you think so? I'd be glad to find out, because I never really noticed anything like this. I mean, all narcissistic behaviors to me come off as... idk how to put it, "emotionally flat"? "Emotionally 2D"? not sure if you get what I mean by that, but they *all* - male and female - basically follow the same, simple, black and white narrative: "Me, a gift to this wretched existence, a living miracle, tragically underappreciated, oppressed by everyone around me, victimized by the unfairness of existence more than anyone else, for reasons only I can understand, constantly punished precisely for being so great, finally turns on a revenge arch which is TOTALLY JUSTIFIED because it's MY revenge arch AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL." - that's the story that appeals to them - HOWEVER - not neccessarily a story they will always carry out in an evil way. Narcissists aren't inherently evil, they're just self-absorbed to a level that's absurd and nearly incomprehensible to anyone that has zero or very low propensity for utilizing narcissistic mindset. Some narcissistic mindset-stemming behaviors, if integrated properly, can even lead to good results, for the individual and for their social environment. But that has to be, again, PROPERLY INTEGRATED within a functional psychological framework. It takes a really kind-hearted and genuinely smart narcissist, who's on top of it not really that turbo-narcissistic, to achieve that kind of functional framework. Which, as all really good things in life, doesn't happen that often :V
Sadly if they ever find the kids bodies they are probably wrapped in a blanket with a stuffed animal,just the way the dad described leaving them last. So sad and tragic.
Ah I love it the subtitles/closed captioning literally says tree instead of three at least once! Beautiful just like this Channel and good ol' Mike of course, always a good(though sometimes very sad) and informative time here!
Hey You! Mike, I wanted you to know we ALL love you. Me at 62, my daughter at 42 and her daughter at 19!! Thank you so so much for doing what you do! We really really appreciate you!! ~ glenda out! 😉
@Glenda - Wow, your mother's daughter & her daughter love Mike too!!! Is that like 7 generations? Give or take a number, like the views if you are all watching it together / on loop. Either way Glenda hell big amount of Mike lovin' with your DNA. You girls be sure to stick to phone book's when looking up his address now, y'all hear.
he definitely killed the boys😢 Remember, one of his google searches was “how to break necks with your hands” and i believe he did exactly that to the boys😢
I mean why not put a water hose in car from tail pipe. Let them fall asleep. It takes a special kind of evil to break their necks that way. "Special kind of evil" tell me that isn't a lifetime movie title! Lol ol
14:00 Medical correction; soft casts and splints can be used on bone breaks for a period of up to 4 weeks (usually less than two) before a hard cast is applied. Also if John sustained a fracture, he might've called it a break. It is a mistake many people make because they believe "fractured" is synonymous with "broken". So a soft cast isn't necessarily wrong for a fracture (break). Anyone with ceramics in the house knows you can have a fracture line in a vase or coffee cup without it being broken.
@@amityislandchum Guys; perfect example of thinking first before we speak/type. I was about to reply something sarcastic and snotty about a physician's asst at Wexner Medical Center knowing better than some useless big-foreheaded fop on youtube. However, I checked first- did a little 15 seconds of research and found that this person is right. I was told wrong 4 years ago when my ex-boyfriend fractured his finger. Thanks sharksandsheep. I learned something new. The point is; there is way too much abuse on the internet by unhappy people who think just spouting nonsense, and then digging your heels in and being spiteful when you're wrong; is completely cool. It's not. Just take a second to consider you might be wrong in that moment. I saved a lot of embarrassment and frustration by thinking critically _of myself_ first.
"I gave them away to someone I met on the Internet." That's pretty much a confession in and of itself, just nut up and admit you killed them you coward.
Not one person mentioned human trafficking, I mean I know 99% chance he did it . Leaves 1% chance he gave them to a creep on the internet . Either way is horrific. They were such lovely, beautiful, young boys. Don’t understand this world sometimes. 🌹😢
This is the search my ex husband and I went to. It was so out of control, with zero direction, people just standing around. The next day wasn't much better. I feel like if there had been more direction, they may have had a chance. It was so so sad being there. I'll never forget it.
Oof. I’m sorry. But you showed up and tried. So bless you both. Oh gosh your name is Amber too.. so pretty. Anyway we all (family and friends) all have the Amber alert “city on fire” alarm on our phones. And we pay the hell attention! It’s anyone’s worst nightmare. God forbid. Anyone hitting a child loses the privilege of living among us and breathing air imo. Thanks for being one of the good guys. 🌷 .. if u still live in the US by god wear a mask no matter what anyone says or any nonsense thrown ur way. Stay safe. 🌹
Fav moment 22:32 [his mum says he] "was irresponsible and stupid" while showing him on a motorcycle with 2 kids bungee corded in. 👏 well played, Mike, well played.
@@missleader5262 🤣 this is what I noticed too - 2 little kids on a motorbike with helmets the didn't fit and dad's ciggy hanging from his mouth like he was about to annoint one of his kids with its ash! Dad of the Year!
When I was going through an issue, I was contacted by someone who claimed to be in an underground network to protect children. I didn't trust them, so nothing came of it, but it makes me think in this case, but only for a second...
@@kayleeandresen604 I do want to make it clear I did not seek them, they found me when I was researching my case which had nothing to do with child abuse or abandonment
When I was a little girl we had a piglet, the runt of the litter, whose mother did not have enough equipment to feed all of her babies. This little guy was so small that his bigger brothers and sisters constantly pushed him away from the table so we fed him with a bottle that had come with one of my baby dolls. We turned him into a pet and when my dad mentioned it was time to butcher him we all started crying and begging for him to spare Grunt-Grunt's life. He finally gave in and instead of butchering Grunt-Grunt he sent him to that farm also. I hate to admit how old I was before I finally figured that one out. I suspect we shared our Thanksgiving Dinner with Grunt-Grunt that very first year after Dad sent him to the farm.
Yesterday, was the 10 year anniversary of the boys missing. They let balloons off in their honor and said prayers to be found. So very sad for their family.
Oh my dear god thank you so much for this comment. I cannot believe I had to scroll so far down to read it!! I feel like everyone kinda excepted that as a viable option or one that could make possibly make sense, & I’m going crazy with how wrong it is. It didn’t make sense at ALL!!! NOONE FUCKING SAID why the Hell he didn’t go to the police??!
Holy shit, I grew up in a town called Edon, which is only 15-20 minutes from Holiday City. I remember when this happened, and it was amazing to see an entire county of people come together to try and find these boys. Still, sad that nothing was ever found m
I'm from Toledo, Ohio. I remember when this happened. It's crazy they have still never found so much as a hair of these boys. I can't imagine as a mother myself what hell she has been through.
Your videos are the background sound of my life I always have you playin in background love the story’s and everything man keep it up much much love for channel
The strangest twist to this is the bones of 3 children found in someone shed in Missoula, MT, which turned out to not be these boys. As if something like this is a normal occupancy in this day and age.
He only stated that the medical examiner said they were over 99 years old. So I assumed they didn't test them against Tanya/Tonya to see. Its just an odd discovery to not check.
@@SpockLover27 clearly with no training in pathology I would expect such a reply. For those of us who are far more educated in these fields, the chance of dating those bones correctly has some possible errors. If we excepted every statement as the truth and not dig deeper... nothing would get solved. So 1 medical examination leads to over 99 years old. There is so much more than needs to be done with these bones to get an absolute resolution on their age.
Beth Dial The initial report stated they were modern bones, but then Texas said they were old bones. The first inspection was done locally at the University (in the same town about 2 miles from this house), so how could two different experts come to two different conclusions about something as routine as the age of the bones in question? I know where the house is where these bones were found. I can’t see how they would have been sitting there for too long without being noticed since this house appears to have had different occupants throughout the years. Something is off about the bones. Mostly because both experts are truly good at what they do so should not come to such different conclusions.
Reminds me a bit of the Timmothy Pitzen case where the Mom was going through some martial problems and her husband had threatened to take custody of their 6 year old son Timmothy. She committed suicide leaving a note saying Timmothy was safe with people who would care for him but would never be found. I believe his Mom killed him before she took her own life so her husband wouldn't get custody of him.
No...the little boy is alive. See Channelling Eric channel. He was adopted out before the mother killed herself. It's unknown where he has been adopted to though.
@@tchujdenetza Site called 'Channelling Eric'. It's a Dr mother who's son is in the after life. He connects to spirit & during a session he was asked what's happened to the little boy.
9:22 I saw everyone that watches this saying *"I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING"!* I mean, we were just a short way into this video... but we're a pretty smart group of people!! I think it's a good *QUESTION* and also a *GOOD ANSWER* to our own question.
This man killed his children. If he couldn't have them, she couldn't have them. If he "knew where they were alive, but can't say until he gets out" he would've long ago said where, if it were true. His family is a little cringey, too. Wherever these beautiful boys are, I pray they're at peace.
Mike I just noticed how many subs you have! That number has rocketed since I found your channel and started following. Congrats!! I know that was out of the blue but I just saw!! I'm excited for you TC def deserves the recognition.
He's one of the few channel hosts I'd go see in person if he came to my city for a book fair or something..I almost feel like I know him. And I want to EAT HIM!!! lol just kidding.. too many cannibal vids lately.
Thank you for covering this. Everyone in our community is still rocked and heart broken over this. We may never know what happened to those sweet boys.
I lived close to there, i remember hearing about it when I was really young, I am literally as old as the youngest kid so hearing story when it was new was pretty crazy. I lived in michigan which you can see in the map at the top when he mentions the dad was in toledo Ohio
If it was me I’d be worried a gun was painted at my back and I was lucky to get away with that warning: your grand kids are ok. (Don’t turn around. Unspoken: Or I’ll shoot ya.)
@@tracycrawford6826 Please tell your kids i say im sorry they have a parent like you. If that was me i wouldnt care what they had pointed at me, you bet your ass im turning around if anyone other than myself or my family have my kids in their possession.
@@numbers8151 I have to side with the previous comment. Yeah, everybody says that they would be a hero and do something like that but you couldn't really know for certain unless you're actually put in that kind of situation. And also, you wouldn't be much help in finding your kids if you're dead. That said, I think the father's story is bullshit and he made it up.
The guy came and whispered, “don’t turn around, your boys are okay” .... and of course... with a man standing behind him capable of exonerating his son... he didn’t turn around to respect the child kidnappers wishes. Makes sense to me 😑
If someone walked into your shop, where you have a drawer full of untraceable cash, and said “don’t turn around” there’s no way that you turn around. You aren’t expecting to hear about your grandkids; you’re expecting to be robbed. If you turn around, then maybe you get shot. Then the guy says “your grandkids are okay.” Now instead of being dead, you’ve been told good news. You’re now in shock. You freeze. You probably keep staring at the wall until the next customer comes in. I believe that this story could have happened as the grandfather said. Was it really someone who was in touch with the kids, or just some s%}t trying to mess with the guy’s mind? Probably the latter. But it’s probably the most believable thing said by a male member of that family in the video.
@@DneilB007 so you telling me after the incident he wouldn't check a camera or even ask bystanders to figure out who it was? and I love how the dad gives vague information. like he couldn't even describe the man's footsteps? or how his voice sounded? or where exactly he was standing when the man told him not to turn around? or how long he stood there before he was sure the man was gone?
I think that the scenario is plausible but not realistic and it certainly didn't occur if you can not tell a valid tale of the experience. Nice try though. 😐
@Night right and its very suspcious how he didnt try to find answers after the "incident". If i was worried about my missing grandchildren and someone told me they were fine and I somehow belived them i would try to find answers. I wouldnt just be like "yeah hes right" and go back to my life like nothing happened
He drove them out to a remote area, wrapped them in blankets, gave them teddy bears, and then placed them in an underground sanctuary? Sounds like an indirect confession of burying them.
I thought that as well...
That's exactly what I thought too. 😥
agreed!!
Really sick people that kill truly believe what they say. They probably are in a grave some where. And he probably also does believe that they are happy and safe. It's a sick sick way of thinking that no one talks about.
Yup,net u anything if those kids are ever found,they will be found wrapped in a blanket with teddy bears!
The underground sanctuary is a real poetic way of saying grave.
Yep, those babies definitely deserved better than what they had
@dim mor You're thinking too hard about this case. There was no woman. There is no underground sanctuary.
@dim mor Agreed.
@dim mor Because he's a dude.
I was thinking the same thing...
"if I can't have them, no one can" is what happened here.
That's so disgusting. Like they're property or something
To be fair the mother was sexually assaulting them....probably took a toll on his mental state
@@MentokTheMindTaker What proof do you have that the mother was sexually assaulting her sons? She had sex with a 14 yr old (not her son) over a decade before. While that is disgusting, it is not proof of sexual abuse of her own children. One thing you will learn if you watch enough true crime, when one parent is afraid they’re going to lose custody of their children, they often accuse the other of sexual abuse of the children. IIRC, it was so common in one state, they passed a law stating if you falsely accuse the other parent of abuse for the purpose of swaying the judge in the custody hearing, you automatically lose custody. Also, you can never trust a killer to tell the truth. I don’t believe for one minute that she was abusing those boys
@@MentokTheMindTaker That's just what he claimed, we don't know what happened.
Not sure how that would explain him killing his children.
@@celeca7 Dating a pedophile/rapist would take a toll on your mind
Woah, woah. Mike, You just threw away the fact that they found three bodies in a box that were 99 years old! Do that one!
“He wrapped them in a blanket and gave them each a stuff animal.” Them boys are dead
My thoughts exactly. They were killed the very first night they were declared "missing".
Yes, that sounds like he put dead children in the ground . Also, Underground Sanctuary is an obvious code name for buried. They are underground and safe is what he is saying- it’s heartbreaking.
@@tylerskiss
Your exactly right, ah this is so heartbreaking
pretty cold way of stating it....”them boys are dead” c’mon now...
@@notamberp but they are.. how should it be said?? c'mon now :u
John's family said "he loves his kids and would never hurt them" Chris Watts said the same thing.
lori vallow also swore that her kids were alive and safe with friends
My mom told me recently that, decades ago, she nearly murder-suicided me and my siblings in the depths of her divorce which caused depression and suicidal thoughts. She never went through with it because she couldn’t bear to see my older siblings fight back. She’s never felt that way since. Anyone who knows her, including her kids (and even her ex-husband!), doesn’t believe for a moment that she would ever consider doing that to us in a million years because she’s an incredibly devoted and loving mom. Hell, she once cried out of guilt for ACCIDENTALLY slamming my brother's hand in the car trunk door...and he wound up being perfectly fine. She’d take a bullet for any of us, but back then she genuinely thought killing us would be better for us because she was so depressed that she couldn't envision a world where we would be happy. Luckily, she hasn’t been depressed or suicidal before or since that divorce. My point is, "love" is sometimes what causes them to act so drastically. Especially if they maybe have had a history of depression or suicidal thoughts (though my mom didn't even have a history of that until then). Maybe not for Chris Watts, but certainly for some parents. Love can take twisted, cruel forms in the mind of a sick person.
headphonic8 not love, selfishness.
@@headphonic8 🤔🤨
@@headphonic8 Stockholm Syndrome is real, apparently. Just because someone was mentally ill enough to think killing their children is love doesnt make it so. It makes it delusional
Skelton's mother saying, "Did anybody think that they are happy where they are?" Somebody is happy where they are for sure! The father, mother and their son give me the creeps!
This reminded me of Timmothy Pitzen!
His mother “gave him to some people and is now safe” before her suicide!
That was about 6months after the Skelton brothers went missing!
I remember that case. Ladies here called her a "hero for saving the baby from that abusive monster" and things like that. I never heard anything about "abuse" from him in that case. I guess some just make up their minds based on hysterical emotions.
He covered this look it up
@@broeheemed32 Plenty of men were "hysterical" as well and thought the husband was abusive too.
Yes. That happened right in my home town. Drives me nuts wondering if that little darlin is buried around there somewhere. She was obviously very ill.😮💨
Copycat?
The boys have gone to live on a farm upstate, the exact same thing happened to my dog when I was 8 years old.
Your dog loves sheep so much we sent him to live on a sheep farm
Oh yours too? Lol when I was 8 we bought what was likely a puppy mill dog from a shopping mall pet store. Fox terrier. He had a bad temperament and would bite me and my other family members out of nowhere. My parents took him back to the store demanding a refund. The manager said nothing was wrong with him and she handled him and he bit the shit out of her. Yeah my parents gave me a letter from the "new" owners saying he lived on a farm and was having a blast now.
That is exactly what I thought about when that part about the kids going to live on a farm came up. My ex-husband and I told our son that our beloved dog went to live on a farm about 2 hours away from us. Over the years he has asked about the dog, and I tell him that he's very happy because he met a dog wife and they have puppies.
@@saschavest Your husband really hit the jackpot with you.
@@Bette_Fontenot Why? Did you kill your dog?
I'm weirded out by the "went to live on a farm" story that the dad is spinning... I mean, that's the same story that kids get told when a pet dies, innit?
What!?!? You mean they didn't send Frisky to a farm!?!
woooahh never connected those two things. wow
my mom told me this about a dog we had🤣🤣🤦🏽♀️
Oh my!!! Yes😱😱😱😱😱
Lol I’ve never once heard that about any of mine of my friends pets when we were younger !! I didn’t know this!
It broke the hearts of many Michigan parents when these boys went missing. I still think of them often and hope they're found so their mother may know some semblance of peace 🥺
He's already setting the stage for if/when the kid's bodies are found: "Oh.... maybe I was duped! Maybe they were stolen!" He'll be able to say, "I gave these guys my kids and THEY killed them! I thought they would save them but they were actually BAD GUYS!" 🙄
An update - in July this year the dad was denied parole.
Good
Glad to hear that!
Thanks for the update!
Thank you
Good. I was wondering what happened there.
Thank you for the up date
He has technically confessed to how he buried them. Each one wrapped in a blanket, with their favorite toys... :(
Yup. Its such a small detail... be he buried them, he got his closure, and he denied everyone else of theirs. He's a selfish guy
@@nannerlchanel5045 well, he should've killed himself if he intended to. Not that I want him dead, but if he killed his children to not loose them and then tried to kill himself, why is he still alive?
I dunno but i hope those beautiful boys are at peace....
You’re very correct. I’m a former police officer and have investigated many incidents such as this. My specialty was interviewing and interrogation. The detectives who worked on the case should have picked up on that statement and immediately worked on his conscience. He shouldn’t be released from prison until the boys are found.
God bless those poor boys.. God only knows what they endured during their last moments.
I feel sorry for the grandparents. They have to believe their son is telling the truth because the alternative is facing the reality that their son killed his own children and that is horrific! I wouldn't want to face that reality either!
I agree. Everyone is saying they are stupid and evil but I honestly believe that they cannot handle the truth of their own son murdering his children, their grandchildren. It’s really a sad situation
@@roninkraut6873 OH PULEEeeez!!!!
@@Virus-xm7qc
Have you ever been in that situation?
I feel sorry for the children and the mother the grandparents delusion is nothing to feel sorry about… maybe if they didn’t believe him and held him accountable he would lose hope and talk idk
@@monetmonroe4644 that just vengeance at that point...
You can't see the grandparents as individuals and only see them as a tool...
Am I the only one that thinks "underground sanctuary" sounds like just another name for a grave? 🤔
It pisses me off when kids vanish and the one person who knows where they are refuses to talk.
There's a LOT of denial in this case. His relatives keep telling themselves that his story is real and he keeps telling himself the same thing.
If the kids resurface in a few years, as they claim he will, then critics will be proved wrong. If they do not resurface, he should be charged with their murder. What casts doubt on his claim is the attempted suicide, which seems like the act of a murderer.
Oh does it really? Most people get super happy
Five minutes alone...
@@D3V1LDR1V3R torture doesn't work, you can beat someone half to death and they'll admit to murdering god
I don’t think he’ll ever confess because at this point he’s probably convinced himself of this story too...
This is a case for Batman he'll make any one talk lmao
Yup I know a guy who killed 2 people and even let his uncle take the blame for the 1at murder and told us about the second before the body was even found.
Years later he did a lie detected test and passed on tv.
Given enough time they can convince themselves
This makes me sad and mad at the same time! This A hole could of saved so much grief if he would confess. That poor mother has been in agony and deserves closure and to be able to properly bury her babies. I hope someone will come forward with the truth, someone has to know something other than the POS father!
@@sxybck369 not in a fucked up way but I'm happy it happened this way. Now he's gonna suffer in God's hands more than ever
He won’t admit to what he did because he doesn’t want to be held accountable for it. You’re right though, he won’t confess unless he finally kills himself and leaves a note. Doubt it though, he’s too much of a coward to kill himself.
He said he gave them to the “Underground Sanctuary” ... basically a “nice” way of saying he put them in a grave.
Every single time they show the photo of those three sweet boys, my heart shatters. This is a tough one to watch for sure but job well done Mike!!
Just a horrific story. The grandparents are my neighbors. On the mother side.Absolutely beautiful people. They both miss their grandsons everyday. Cant believe something happened like this in a small town. I totally believe the Dad knows what happened to the Boys..
‘Underground sanctuary’ is probably his way of saying he buried them..
Damn didnt think about that.
Like the Vallow kids...
If he buried them they might be found eventually depending on how well of a job he did and weather conditions. I want them found as soon as possible before he can be released and disappear.
That's what I was thinking. Sick bastard is trying to glorify it.
I was thinking the same thing, he also says he wrapped each one in a blanket and gave them a teddy bear
Parents: don’t talk to strangers online and don’t give out your personal details-
This parent: “kids you’re going to live with a stranger from the Internet...”
And hopefully my sons, they won’t sex you. But hey, if they do, just pretend it’s sex education. No probs. Ok I’ll be off now and hope you get in well with your new strangers. I’m sure everything will work out. 😰😱
Nah. Those boys r dead.
Yeah. Way to follow those safety rules dad!
I live about a town over from Morenci, I remember how this case shocked everyone. Thank you for bringing light to it.
"John's mom agreed that what he did was irresponsible and stupid." (shows photo of John with two of his children on a motorcycle, one bungee corded to his chest with a lit cigarette dangling over him)
Doesn't sound like either of them is fit to have custody of a gerbil.
Elizabeth McGlothlin agreed 👍
I think the same. These boys deserved a much better life than what they got.
Elizabeth McGlothlin I wouldn’t trust them with a goldfish!
I've always thought this. I watched another documentary on the case, and Tanya comes across as disgusting... all she could talk about is how much her boys love HER, and generally talks like she owns them... gross, really really gross.
sharon brown no no one checked. And if you look into such cases as Victoria Climbie and Baby P, who suffered horrific injuries his entire life and yet MULTIPLE social workers failed to intervene leading to the 18 month old boy dying from being beaten to death. A doctor had seen him a week previously and failed to see multiple fractured ribs, cigarette burns, lacerations and A BROKEN SPINE. So these parents who think they’re big strong people beating on a tiny child, get away with it because so-called professionals think a child is being difficult because they can’t sit still to be examined after sustaining a broken spine at their hands of his “carers”.
There are so very very many cases where children have been killed because professionals have failed multiple times to recognise extremely obvious abuse. It’s actually even difficult to believe these failings aren’t purposeful to be honest, because they are so ridiculously obvious. I watched a documentary recently regarding a little girl called Ayla Reynolds who was allowed into the care of her father after she had sustained many injuries which he was suspected of inflicting, the mostly recent of which was a broken arm caused by rotation of the arm. This pig murdered his daughter by beating her to death, blood was found all over his house, in his car, on her car seat etc and there were 3 people in the house the night this toddler disappeared - kidnapped if you believe what he says happened. From a basement room that had no windows. Not one of them would come forward and admit what had happened but the amount of blood and vomit in his home showed the child couldn’t have lived after sustaining such injuries. Then there’s jonbenet Ramsey, who was found dead, strangled with her head bashed in, in her parents basement and yet again money was able to buy the freedom now the parents who were guilty as all hell, of at least covering up the fact that their savage little shitbag of a son killed his sister, if not murdering her themselves. Most people think the ramseys to have been exonerated but this is completely untrue. The grand jury voted to indict them but nothing ever happened. I wonder why? Maybe money can buy innocence? Or at least the illusion of innocence.
Which brings me to the most infamous and prolific case of a missing child in history, and if anyone doesn’t know about it, they’ve been living under a rock for 10 years. Madeleine McCanns parents refused to answer something like 48 out of 50 questions when questioned by the Portuguese police, acted very strangely as if they didn’t know their daughter had gone missing by doing things like go jogging the day after, employing the UKs most expensive spin doctor, ahem, I mean PR consultant, raked in about 20million at LEAST from the find Maddy campaign, which was never used to finance finding maddie but was instead used to pay off their mortgage and ensure neither ever had to work since. The maddie fund was falsely
believed by most of the public to be a charity but was in fact actually a limited company. As well as having cadaver dogs alert in the holiday apartment and the family car, the father Jerry has been seen on a boozey dinner party anecdote regaining his guests with how his daughter Maddy can do certain things well, then mimics a sucking noise and mimics doing nipple circles. And how about Kate’s disgusting book, wherein she speaks about how she imagines madeleines “perfect little genitals being torn to pieces”. I mean if your child went missing would you be thinking that? Is that a normal response do you think? And who describes their toddler daughter as having “perfect” genitals?
I only need to say the words Jeffrey and suicided without needing to say his surname Ep=$tein for you to immediately know who I mean and be reminded of how many little girls suffered immensely both physically and mentally at the hands of this abomination, helped by a woman, who is naturally supposed to love care and nurture children. Obviously then there is “Prince” Andrew... whose BBC interview body language has been broken down by a TH-cam body language expert by the name of Van Der Shaik, and it’s not a good sign...
And those are just a tiny slice of how, when we look very carefully, or actually, if we literally just scratch the surface, we can see proof that not only is the child protective system rigged to fail, it is actually put in place by the biggest and strongest pedophile ring in order to PROVIDE children to the pedophiles, who rank all the way from trailer trash to “Prince” of England, not to PROTECT them. I am NOT blaming most of the front line workers who try to help children although some of those need to be held accountable too, such as those involved in the cases I’ve mentioned here, but most of them do good work with the resources they have at their disposal which isn’t much. If you see an agency is called “Save the Children” you can be pretty sure that it actually is in existence to do anything but save the children, but instead has been commissioned to fund the trafficking of children for example. As per Hillary Clinton’s involvement in such things.
I typed quite a bit here and if you read it hopefully I’ve given you some food for thought. Please look into the cases I’ve mentioned and do some research into how most governments have sexual abuse claims against them, mostly proven and mostly having been conveniently ended by such things as a rather timely suicide here and there or a sympathetic judge. The British government had a huge paedophile ring busted open only for everyone to fall strangely silent and all the files “go missing”. The “Queen” of England has been accused of taking ten children from a Canadian orphanage in the late 1960s. The lead witness was coincidentally killed a few weeks before he was due to testify. Of course, there’s no need to mention how many very famous paedophiles are very good friends with old Queenie - “people” like Sir Jimmy Saville - who was given the KEYS to many homes and hospitals and apparently liked to have relations with corpses.
Paedophilia really is systemic, trafficking is the worlds most lucrative industry and the drugs and diamonds industries are almost always to finance the trafficking. It’s great to watch things like this which is a mini bitesize chunk of the kind of things that happen but I IMPLORE you, for the sake of the children, to look into what I’ve said even if you find it far fetched. It’s possible to prove these things with documentary evidence so there’s no excuse for ignorance. They distract us constantly with meaningless drivel, and have us divided almost completely at every angle - white/black, conservative/liberal, and now been the most natural union of male/female is being destroyed with feminism. The children deserve us to be enlightened not ignorant and we can’t be enlightened if we’re distracted or ignorant. If we can expose every little deed done in darkness, the world will be a far better place. God bless.
Christ I lucked out with my ex wife. Yeah we hated each other for a while, now we do joint custody and trade weeks while married to different partners. We work together to make the kids lives better.
I've told my divorced friends "you have to love your children more than you hate your ex."
@@mydogsioux TRUTH
Good job guys👍🏾❤ you are really good people
That's good, I wish more decided households could prioritize the happiness of the children.
I hope to never get married if it ends up in divorce
This is such a strange case. It's hard to even start to get to grips with, because it's unclear why both parents (seemingly) had lost custody of their children from their first marriages. Tanya was also, if my math is correct, in her thirties when she was convicted of the sex crime involving the fourteen year old. That's not some vague Romeo and Juliet stuff, that's deliberate and predatory. That doesn't mean she'll assault any 14 year old she sees, but it also is hard (as it should be) to wave away as a youthful misjudgement.
John doesn't come across as believable, and he does come across as desperate. It's hard to even speculate whether one of the sons confided abuse that he acted on in the only way he believed he could (the courts having been unsympathetic to his parental abduction trump card in the past). Did he, fearing that he would lose them to Tanya and that he would fail to protect them, kill them? I find it hard to come up with a guess at all. Was he using Tanya's criminal past as an excuse for his behavior? Why did he opt to have three children with a registered sex offender? I have so many questions.
That picture of those boys, so cute little guys! They deserved better parents.
I still remember helping searching for the boys for days and days and days. Walking for miles and miles through woods, fields, campgrounds, etc with the whole community. I still cry about it...
Thank you for helping. Thanks to everyone who ever helps kids. Even tho it was probably too late at least you all tried!
Unfortunately the statistics backup that these poor boys are dead. No loving parent negotiations the transfer of their children to someone they’ve contacted online ? His actions reek of a cold hearted control freak that killed his children.
I can't even imagine how painful and traumatic that must have been. Thank you so much for showing such kindness and courage. I live a North of Adrian and remember this like it was yesterday. I wonder if the Lost Nations nature preserve was searched? It is on the outskirts of Pittsford. There is (was) a shooting range, lots of trails for hiking and many many acres of land that rarely if ever sees people... I have no doubt that a thorough search was performed, I just wonder if that area was ever looked at.
So sad
Same here. Grew up in Edon, right by Montpelier, and it was rough searching. I remember this terrible conflicting feeling I had, where I desperately wanted to find them to help out, but part of me didn't because I don't know if I could take finding 3 dead boys. Glad you were able to help.
He confessed. They are underground, wrapped in blankets, each with a stuffed animal. This is how they will be found.
Wait, did he really confess??
@@SkrunklBunkl Yes, subconsciously. Watch the video and you'll see what I mean.
@@MrThe1234guy Unfortunately that's not the case. It's sad to think about but very very clear from this video that they are not alive.
@@MrThe1234guy he is not sick Lolol they’re not alive. Your hope is false hope lmap
@@MrThe1234guy They are dead. First off he attempted suicide. A father who cares about his kids wouldn't let them go through that. Secondly the fact that a woman from the underground sanctuary was supposedly amish but he met her online. Amish people don't use computers. Thirdly he also claimed that guy from the reality tv show about helping amish people escape the religion was the one who was supposed to help him get his kids back but the guy had no idea what he was talking about. Fourth thing that makes it obvious he said he told the interviewer he can't provide evidence the boys are alive until he gets out of prison but somehow he can provide the evidence to the FBI and his lawyer. Lastly if he was worried about his kids and how they were supposedly getting sexually abused by their mom he wouldn't have risked handing them off to strangers that might sexually abuse them too
Crazy my parents told me the same story about my old dog going to a underground playground & I believed them as a CHILD. But of course when I got older it’s revealed that the dog DIED! So those poor boys are gone . I hope they will be found one day .
Besides the obvious with John in this video, how the F does Tanya get custody of the kids after being a convicted child molester?
Amen😳
The oldest boy would be almost 20. Old enough to have gone back, or voiced some sort of response to all of this. Surely, if he were alive, he would be on social media. Have to think they are no longer alive.
Amish and social media? I think you missed something.
I thought the same thing. They are in their mid to late teens now...surely old enough to try to get in touch with their mother. Of course, if the father's story is true, we don't know what he may have said to the boys. He may very well have said something to turn them against her, like telling them that she didn't love or want them anymore and was sending them away.
All of this is pointless speculation, however. Sadly, I think we all feel in our hearts that those boys are dead.
Gimmix89 well the Amish allow their 18 yr olds to leave and “discover” the world so hey can be sure that they want He Amish life, so it’s not that far fetched..
paxsmile They were all well old enough to remember their mom and dad. No young person would carry on through their 20’s without at least publicly coming out and saying “My name is x, and I’m safe and well.” They would be old enough to refuse to see their parents if they didn’t want to re-establish contact, but I can’t imagine at least not wanting to get that weight of the past off your shoulders at the minimum.
Im mot disagreeing with the assumption that he killed the boys but amish communities are extremely effective at controlling information and keeping things in the community
You know the case is disturbing when you wish the boys were actually “abducted” and with some strangers rather than dead.
The way the world is... im not so sure about that.
@OverLord 666 no..but if he would have sent them 'underground' as mentioned early in the video they'd be in safe homes with loving ppl who's only goal is to protect the child from the monster that was hurting them..
I'd never want them abducted but there are cases where children have been abducted into loving homes for usually the abductors selfish maternal reasons..
I'm not the op and not sure they meant it the way you may have perceived it..i do agree with you..waaay to many freaks out there..but I get what the op was saying too..✌💖😊😷
Abducted kids could be sex trafficked.
yeah y'all are right too, but I obviously didn't mean it as "oh i wish they weren't dead but being sexually trafficked or abused and tortured somewhere..." what I meant was the whole time I was watching I was waiting for Mike to say the boys were found safe but away with some stranger who were raising them or some shit like that rather being killed in the hands of their own father... I was probably being too naive expecting something like that idk...but it's true they probably would've end up in horrible circumstances anyway...
@OverLord 666 any chance at life is better than zero, what kind of crazy logic do you adhere to?
I’m so thankful my ex and I had amazing skills co-parenting together before he passed. We have 3 little boys and this breaks my heart, these poor boys were failed from the beginning.
What handsome boys. So sad. It's so obvious these brothers loved each other. 💕💎🙏 I pray they are found.
Why are Mike's videos so addictive?? I have Netflix and Prime and all I can watch is his channel!
I've cancelled Netflix already! Who needs Netflix when there's That Chapter? 🙂
i’ve been watching nonstop for TOO long
Cuz its real life
I do nothing else since I found him, haven’t told my therapist about my relationship with him yet hehe… think he is sick of me . I say I love you Mike an he no longer says it back at the end an longer 😂
My husband calls this murder porn and I'm okay with it!!!
My brain cannot hear anything other than “Skeleton brothers”
Well they probably are by now lol
@@smo-king6504 oof
Smo-king lmaoo that’s terrible 💀🤣
Lol! Sameeee
That’s what I read it as it was only after this comment I realised I clearly can’t read for shit 😂
This case is so heartbreaking. All my love and prayers for momma and these 3 babies.
Am I the only one who wonders where those remains in the shed came from? Someone else may likely have lived and died never knowing what happened to those three either.
"Don't turn around, but your grandsons are safe." Buuulllll shit. His family is just as twisted as him.
someone may have said that so he would feel better...people do weird things...
@@beastshawnee true, but not in this case lol you can just smell the stench of bullshit steaming off john’s father.
Yeah, what a BS story. You would think that someone who plans a crime of this magnitude would invest a little time to come up with a plausibe story. They might just as well claim the easter bunny abducted the kids....
There's not a person on the planet that wouldn't have, at the very least, turned around and most people would have pursued that person.
Lol so stupid.
He probably doesn't even think about his murdered kids. They were out of his mind, the minute he finished burying them. Hope he gets whats coming to him.
We all get what we deserve, in the end.
Or coming in him
Nah, I bet whenever something he sees that reminds him of his boys gives him an excited feeling that he **knows** where they’re buried and their mom won’t ever know.
He’s probably relaxing in PC somewhere where he’s safe unfortunately. You know, people like this get to be in some of the best facilities and put in PC where nobody will hurt him. Meanwhile, a guy who got caught and charged with some weed is in medium custody getting beat up by the inmates and correctional officers everyday. Ahhhh, the good ole “justice” system. 🙄
"Underground Sanctuary" was the org name..."to go live on a farm" ... sounds like euphamisms for a grave to me.
2:51 Irish accent came out strong. _“Tirteent of September twenty-ten”_ 😭
Those 99 year old bones in Missoula...another mystery to check out.
That was the wild west. The answers are blowin' in the wind.
@The Evil Queen I agree. Was a dna test done or they just say, meh- the bones are a century old
DNA needs to be done, just in case
"Underground Sanctuary" sounds like code for grave
I keep wondering if "Underground sanctuary" is his twisted way of saying they're buried and in his twisted mind they're now safe, wrapped in blankets with teddy bears.
As soon as I heard that name my mind went "Oh hell, he buried them "
Seeing the pictures of those 3 boys together is heartbreaking
"Wrapped them in a blanket with a stuffed animal" to give them to the "underground sanctuary". He wrapped them in a blanket and buried them.
No.
Yeah.
I have alcoholics in my family and i can tell you the longer the drinking goes on the more delusional they get. They dont even know they are lying anymore and they believe whatever nonsense they come up with that makes THEM feel justified or ok.
Yeah I completely agree
Yep. 90% of all violent crimes are directly related to drinking alcohol. Chew in that for a bit.
@@mrs.schmenkman 90%? Yeah, and we all know what they say about statistics on the internet.
do you feel that the narcissist (male) is all in the same mindsets. it's like they were created from a petri dish. What did they do with all those test tube babies!? 😕
I'm aware that the neglect (and tragic abuse) of a child will stunt maturity. the lack of emotions are from never being interactive with human encounters. in conclusion, all they have is ego to guide them. that's their adrenalin high and they can't think of consequence of their actions.
this is personal perspective, I hold no credentials.
Thank you for sharing!
@@donnariddle5384 I don't really see why you added that "(male)" part, which implies thar female narcissists are more diverse in your view.
Is that a correct assesment on my part, and if so, what makes you think so? I'd be glad to find out, because I never really noticed anything like this.
I mean, all narcissistic behaviors to me come off as... idk how to put it, "emotionally flat"? "Emotionally 2D"? not sure if you get what I mean by that, but they *all* - male and female - basically follow the same, simple, black and white narrative:
"Me, a gift to this wretched existence, a living miracle, tragically underappreciated, oppressed by everyone around me, victimized by the unfairness of existence more than anyone else, for reasons only I can understand, constantly punished precisely for being so great, finally turns on a revenge arch which is TOTALLY JUSTIFIED because it's MY revenge arch AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL." - that's the story that appeals to them - HOWEVER - not neccessarily a story they will always carry out in an evil way. Narcissists aren't inherently evil, they're just self-absorbed to a level that's absurd and nearly incomprehensible to anyone that has zero or very low propensity for utilizing narcissistic mindset.
Some narcissistic mindset-stemming behaviors, if integrated properly, can even lead to good results, for the individual and for their social environment. But that has to be, again, PROPERLY INTEGRATED within a functional psychological framework. It takes a really kind-hearted and genuinely smart narcissist, who's on top of it not really that turbo-narcissistic, to achieve that kind of functional framework. Which, as all really good things in life, doesn't happen that often :V
Sadly if they ever find the kids bodies they are probably wrapped in a blanket with a stuffed animal,just the way the dad described leaving them last. So sad and tragic.
Ah I love it the subtitles/closed captioning literally says tree instead of three at least once! Beautiful just like this Channel and good ol' Mike of course, always a good(though sometimes very sad) and informative time here!
You know a killer is getting desperate for people to blame when he suggests the AMISH were involved and not him.
lol "the amish did it"
You got to be careful of the Amish mafia...not the Realty TV version that is just terrible.
@@Masterhitman935 Yes. And those horse-drawn buggy chases give the police nightmares! Hahaha.
@@keithdevlin1 all I could think of was a carriage spiriting away the kids in the 2000s with surveillance cameras and all....
I'd blame the Danish. Not the people, the pastry.
Hey You!
Mike, I wanted you to know we ALL love you. Me at 62, my daughter at 42 and her daughter at 19!!
Thank you so so much for doing what you do!
We really really appreciate you!!
~ glenda out! 😉
I got my boyfriend hooked on Mike now too! 😆
My coworker and I were talking about JCS Criminal Psychology channel and I was like Oou if you like him you'll love Mike!
Stephanie Harlowe is also great. She has done a phenomenal job (and a huge amount of research) covering the Skelton brothers and other cases.
The whole family are easy women, then? Ach, I'm only teasing. I think he's great, too 😊
@Glenda - Wow, your mother's daughter & her daughter love Mike too!!!
Is that like 7 generations? Give or take a number, like the views if you are all watching it together / on loop.
Either way Glenda hell big
amount of Mike lovin' with your DNA. You girls be sure to stick to phone book's when looking up his address now, y'all hear.
How did she pull up info on hidden children? That's not public information
love your videos mike. you are helping me through some tough times. cheers
he definitely killed the boys😢 Remember, one of his google searches was “how to break necks with your hands” and i believe he did exactly that to the boys😢
Oh gosh that’s so sick, possibly could have been for wife too before came up with a plan.
He: My boys asked med about karate stuff so I was searching to help them
I think so too and can't imagine what their mom is going through. IF he ever got out I'd be waiting.
I mean why not put a water hose in car from tail pipe. Let them fall asleep. It takes a special kind of evil to break their necks that way. "Special kind of evil" tell me that isn't a lifetime movie title! Lol ol
@@janeydoe-nuts8663 How about give them up for adoption? Any form of murder to the kids is bad -- there is always a better solution.
The “friend” he gave them to is named : Death.
☹
it's the same "friend'" lori vallow gave her children to
@@TK-ui2th precisely.
A good ol' friend.
They're at the amusement park.
14:00 Medical correction; soft casts and splints can be used on bone breaks for a period of up to 4 weeks (usually less than two) before a hard cast is applied.
Also if John sustained a fracture, he might've called it a break. It is a mistake many people make because they believe "fractured" is synonymous with "broken". So a soft cast isn't necessarily wrong for a fracture (break).
Anyone with ceramics in the house knows you can have a fracture line in a vase or coffee cup without it being broken.
"Fracture" literally IS synonymous with "break." Only people who don't work in medicine believe there is a difference.
@@amityislandchum Guys; perfect example of thinking first before we speak/type. I was about to reply something sarcastic and snotty about a physician's asst at Wexner Medical Center knowing better than some useless big-foreheaded fop on youtube.
However, I checked first- did a little 15 seconds of research and found that this person is right. I was told wrong 4 years ago when my ex-boyfriend fractured his finger. Thanks sharksandsheep. I learned something new.
The point is; there is way too much abuse on the internet by unhappy people who think just spouting nonsense, and then digging your heels in and being spiteful when you're wrong; is completely cool. It's not. Just take a second to consider you might be wrong in that moment. I saved a lot of embarrassment and frustration by thinking critically _of myself_ first.
If I was the grandma, I'd be furious and terrified all at the same time for my grandsons.
"I gave them away to someone I met on the Internet."
That's pretty much a confession in and of itself, just nut up and admit you killed them you coward.
The mother should admit she was going to diddle them- being a registered sex offender and all.
@@Arukan and yet, he only disappeared the children after she didn’t agree to fixing their marriage… I don’t think so.
Not one person mentioned human trafficking, I mean I know 99% chance he did it . Leaves 1% chance he gave them to a creep on the internet . Either way is horrific. They were such lovely, beautiful, young boys. Don’t understand this world sometimes. 🌹😢
@@Arukan That's an odd leap.
@@bobbieboomboomkelly It's a decent & oft forgot point
This is the search my ex husband and I went to. It was so out of control, with zero direction, people just standing around. The next day wasn't much better. I feel like if there had been more direction, they may have had a chance. It was so so sad being there. I'll never forget it.
Oof. I’m sorry. But you showed up and tried. So bless you both.
Oh gosh your name is Amber too.. so pretty. Anyway we all (family and friends) all have the Amber alert “city on fire” alarm on our phones. And we pay the hell attention!
It’s anyone’s worst nightmare. God forbid. Anyone hitting a child loses the privilege of living among us and breathing air imo.
Thanks for being one of the good guys.
🌷
.. if u still live in the US by god wear a mask no matter what anyone says or any nonsense thrown ur way. Stay safe. 🌹
Thank you for trying x
The confusion of situations like this just upsets everyone. You're so good Amber for trying to help. Good intentions. ☘Bless those brothers.
Sooooooooooo you're single then? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
"Attempted suicide" means he feels guilt.
"Underground sanctuary" means they're buried.
Fav moment 22:32 [his mum says he] "was irresponsible and stupid" while showing him on a motorcycle with 2 kids bungee corded in. 👏 well played, Mike, well played.
With a cigarette hanging from his lips...
@@missleader5262 🤣 this is what I noticed too - 2 little kids on a motorbike with helmets the didn't fit and dad's ciggy hanging from his mouth like he was about to annoint one of his kids with its ash! Dad of the Year!
Such a sad story 😔 ‘If’ he did do it, it’s yet another case of a parent who hates their ex more than they love their children. Heartbreaking 💔
exactly. these people don't deserve to be parents. and those 3 little boys looked so beautiful. such a shame.
Does anyone know if he was given a polygraph test? I know it won't prove much but at the least it should be able to detect at some deception level.
Another that don’t want to pay child maintenance 🥺🙏🏻
it also sounds like a mental break ...
Thank you for all your work Mike 😢😢😢
When I was going through an issue, I was contacted by someone who claimed to be in an underground network to protect children. I didn't trust them, so nothing came of it, but it makes me think in this case, but only for a second...
What.... kind of issue? Like I'm trying trying get rid of my kids, issue?
@@kayleeandresen604 not that kind of issue
@@kayleeandresen604 I do want to make it clear I did not seek them, they found me when I was researching my case which had nothing to do with child abuse or abandonment
Yeah, my parents sent a couple of my childhood pets to that "farm", too.
When I was a little girl we had a piglet, the runt of the litter, whose mother did not have enough equipment to feed all of her babies. This little guy was so small that his bigger brothers and sisters constantly pushed him away from the table so we fed him with a bottle that had come with one of my baby dolls. We turned him into a pet and when my dad mentioned it was time to butcher him we all started crying and begging for him to spare Grunt-Grunt's life. He finally gave in and instead of butchering Grunt-Grunt he sent him to that farm also. I hate to admit how old I was before I finally figured that one out. I suspect we shared our Thanksgiving Dinner with Grunt-Grunt that very first year after Dad sent him to the farm.
@@maryannanderson7517 God, I'm sorry
my hamster went to heaven.........hasn t come back since....
Yesterday, was the 10 year anniversary of the boys missing. They let balloons off in their honor and said prayers to be found. So very sad for their family.
At least the nice people in those boys lives remember them. Bless the little angels where ever they maybe x
They should quit w/ the damn balloons
@@juliesuzanne8011 I agree 👍 a wasteful idea. Blow bubbles and light 🕯️
How does littering balloons that kill wildlife honor anyone? I never understood that nonsense.
And today the 11th!
I lived in Tecumseh in the late-90s, and knew a bunch of folks from Morenci. This really tore that small town to pieces.
John's family has to be most naive people I've heard of.
“Where are the kids?”
“Oh, I uh gave them to a buddy. But don’t worry they are happy!”
In what world does that make sense???
as if they were pets - like....
Oh my dear god thank you so much for this comment. I cannot believe I had to scroll so far down to read it!! I feel like everyone kinda excepted that as a viable option or one that could make possibly make sense, & I’m going crazy with how wrong it is. It didn’t make sense at ALL!!! NOONE FUCKING SAID why the Hell he didn’t go to the police??!
No 🌎, it's the lowest shit to put your own kids as collateral damage in a family dispute.. totally makes sense 🤔🧐😒
Those rural underground child hiding services really do exist in the US.
In what kind of world does anything make sense, anymore? Especially these days.
NGL, Saw Skeleton brothers and thought things were getting spoopy-er than normal.
Sans and Papyrus intensifies
How'd you watch this 2 weeks ago? Who's your Mike dealer?
@@VvFrankVv I think it might be one of those things where patreon membership lets you watch the video earlier
@@akillen77 That's what I was thinking.
In all fairness they probably are skeleton brothers by now.
Holy shit, I grew up in a town called Edon, which is only 15-20 minutes from Holiday City. I remember when this happened, and it was amazing to see an entire county of people come together to try and find these boys. Still, sad that nothing was ever found m
I'm from Toledo, Ohio. I remember when this happened. It's crazy they have still never found so much as a hair of these boys. I can't imagine as a mother myself what hell she has been through.
That age progression of the three boys punched a hole in my heart.
Skelton family’s intelligence combined altogether is equivalent to a rock. To call them stupid would be an insult to stupid people😒
Do you think they are trump voters.
I can see that you read every other comment here.
I feel like... Stephen McDaniel would fit in pretty well in this family.
Excellent!😎
@@kalikalimai1 Obvious Biden voters.
I've watched hundreds of Mike's videos but this case will stick with me for sure.. can't believe there isn't a resolution to this
Your videos are the background sound of my life I always have you playin in background love the story’s and everything man keep it up much much love for channel
The strangest twist to this is the bones of 3 children found in someone shed in Missoula, MT, which turned out to not be these boys. As if something like this is a normal occupancy in this day and age.
He only stated that the medical examiner said they were over 99 years old. So I assumed they didn't test them against Tanya/Tonya to see. Its just an odd discovery to not check.
@@bfarmin10 Clearly no point to check bones that are way older than the boys...
Bone Collector Mexican examiners have gotten it wrong before. Why not just check 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
@@SpockLover27 clearly with no training in pathology I would expect such a reply. For those of us who are far more educated in these fields, the chance of dating those bones correctly has some possible errors. If we excepted every statement as the truth and not dig deeper... nothing would get solved. So 1 medical examination leads to over 99 years old. There is so much more than needs to be done with these bones to get an absolute resolution on their age.
Beth Dial
The initial report stated they were modern bones, but then Texas said they were old bones. The first inspection was done locally at the University (in the same town about 2 miles from this house), so how could two different experts come to two different conclusions about something as routine as the age of the bones in question? I know where the house is where these bones were found. I can’t see how they would have been sitting there for too long without being noticed since this house appears to have had different occupants throughout the years. Something is off about the bones. Mostly because both experts are truly good at what they do so should not come to such different conclusions.
Reminds me a bit of the Timmothy Pitzen case where the Mom was going through some martial problems and her husband had threatened to take custody of their 6 year old son Timmothy. She committed suicide leaving a note saying Timmothy was safe with people who would care for him but would never be found. I believe his Mom killed him before she took her own life so her husband wouldn't get custody of him.
😭😭
No...the little boy is alive.
See Channelling Eric channel.
He was adopted out before the mother killed herself. It's unknown where he has been adopted to though.
@@mymai2792 hmmmm going to watch. Still sounds weird unless someone saw him
@@mymai2792 How could you know that he is adopted if you don't know where is he adopted?
@@tchujdenetza Site called 'Channelling Eric'. It's a Dr mother who's son is in the after life. He connects to spirit & during a session he was asked what's happened to the little boy.
9:22 I saw everyone that watches this saying *"I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING"!*
I mean, we were just a short way into this video... but we're a pretty smart group of people!! I think it's a good *QUESTION* and also a *GOOD ANSWER* to our own question.
What a loser. Such beautiful boys. May they rest in peace.
This man killed his children. If he couldn't have them, she couldn't have them. If he "knew where they were alive, but can't say until he gets out" he would've long ago said where, if it were true. His family is a little cringey, too.
Wherever these beautiful boys are, I pray they're at peace.
Mike I just noticed how many subs you have! That number has rocketed since I found your channel and started following. Congrats!! I know that was out of the blue but I just saw!! I'm excited for you TC def deserves the recognition.
jaimee S and the fact he does it all himself!!!
He's one of the few channel hosts I'd go see in person if he came to my city for a book fair or something..I almost feel like I know him. And I want to EAT HIM!!! lol just kidding.. too many cannibal vids lately.
over imagination Pass the A-1...👊❤️🤣
Omg! My mind went a whole different place when you said subs lol. But yeah it's cool that lots of people love Mike. His videos are really good.
I'm always recommending That Chapter and Mike's awesome content. He deserves those subs and I agree, it's exciting to watch his channel grow!
Oh God they were so beautiful. The innocence, trust and vulnerability in their eyes. They were killed and its painfully tragic that they are gone. 💔
The thought of not seeing my kids hurts so badly. I can not even imagine. Prayers for the family.
Thank you for covering this. Everyone in our community is still rocked and heart broken over this. We may never know what happened to those sweet boys.
I was thinking about those boys not long ago.
@Dien M wow, ya think? No shit. But we will never have closure or know where their remains are.
"maybe they're happy" at 9, 7 and 5 if my folks gave me away i'd be missing them Terribly. He killed them and he knows it
I lived close to there, i remember hearing about it when I was really young, I am literally as old as the youngest kid so hearing story when it was new was pretty crazy. I lived in michigan which you can see in the map at the top when he mentions the dad was in toledo Ohio
Thank you for the stories. If I can make any suggestion. Could we have moments of silence for all those lost in each video?
What grandfather doesn't turn around when a person says his missing grandchildren are safe? He's involved!
not been around many old men it seems
@@jhoughjr1 🇨🇦 Does he have a hearing problem? Could be. Sure. 👍
If it was me I’d be worried a gun was painted at my back and I was lucky to get away with that warning: your grand kids are ok. (Don’t turn around. Unspoken: Or I’ll shoot ya.)
@@tracycrawford6826 Please tell your kids i say im sorry they have a parent like you. If that was me i wouldnt care what they had pointed at me, you bet your ass im turning around if anyone other than myself or my family have my kids in their possession.
@@numbers8151 I have to side with the previous comment. Yeah, everybody says that they would be a hero and do something like that but you couldn't really know for certain unless you're actually put in that kind of situation. And also, you wouldn't be much help in finding your kids if you're dead.
That said, I think the father's story is bullshit and he made it up.
If he found the mystery people online....and the police took his computer....couldn't they have confirmed or refuted that claim almost immediately?
He said he met the lady at a truck stop, not the internet
Sam Johnson they said both actually
They refuted it based on the lack of research/info about this supposed group on his computer. He's a liar.
@Anonymous Hero not if you smash it up and snort it.
@@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou lmfao
If his release date is a few years away, ya'll have a better shot at hittin the moon with a bean-blower before he admits to killing them...
That picture at 06:55 broke my heart, they look so happy and cute in front of that Christmas tree
What a sad case... He totally did something to those boys. Thanks Mike
Erily similar to lori Vallow
How is this comment two weeks old?
@@Haitiansunflower I know
Susan High oh that vindictive cow
@@Haitiansunflower he releases his videos early for Patreon
The guy came and whispered, “don’t turn around, your boys are okay” .... and of course... with a man standing behind him capable of exonerating his son... he didn’t turn around to respect the child kidnappers wishes. Makes sense to me 😑
If someone walked into your shop, where you have a drawer full of untraceable cash, and said “don’t turn around” there’s no way that you turn around. You aren’t expecting to hear about your grandkids; you’re expecting to be robbed. If you turn around, then maybe you get shot.
Then the guy says “your grandkids are okay.” Now instead of being dead, you’ve been told good news. You’re now in shock. You freeze. You probably keep staring at the wall until the next customer comes in.
I believe that this story could have happened as the grandfather said. Was it really someone who was in touch with the kids, or just some s%}t trying to mess with the guy’s mind? Probably the latter.
But it’s probably the most believable thing said by a male member of that family in the video.
@@DneilB007 so you telling me after the incident he wouldn't check a camera or even ask bystanders to figure out who it was? and I love how the dad gives vague information. like he couldn't even describe the man's footsteps? or how his voice sounded? or where exactly he was standing when the man told him not to turn around? or how long he stood there before he was sure the man was gone?
I think that the scenario is plausible but not realistic and it certainly didn't occur if you can not tell a valid tale of the experience. Nice try though. 😐
DneilB007 lmao sadly it really may be the most believable nonsense in the video
@Night right and its very suspcious how he didnt try to find answers after the "incident". If i was worried about my missing grandchildren and someone told me they were fine and I somehow belived them i would try to find answers. I wouldnt just be like "yeah hes right" and go back to my life like nothing happened
This is why I don't watch the news. But here I am, day after day, listening to Mike tell these horrific stories about missing children.
Aw look at those 3 little ones. Heartbreaking
And if their bodies are ever recovered then he will say it was the mystery organizations doing. I hate him.
Yeah...he's definitely voicing his suspicions about the group so that he can try to put the blame on them if the boys' bodies are ever found.
He was already prepping that story with the “maybe they scammed me”
Same