sverebom while the whole scene was absolutely badass, my favorite Amos line is still "don't get me wrong, I would fuck her if she let me"
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In the book, there's about 2 pages worth describing what Miller was thinking and going through at that point, but yeah, the line "because he was making sense" really sums it up excellently.
At the same time, that scene made me want to punch Miller in the face. In fact, he became one of the few characters I dislike on a show I consider one of the best Sci-Fi shows ever.
I read all the books at least twice and currently I´m in the middle of watching the show from Season one for the second time. It´s amazing how close the show sticks to the source material while also taking the freedom to change juuuust the tiny bits to give viewers an even more amazing time. Love it ;)
Phrancis5 joke’s on you for expecting humanity to change at all. We’ve been beating ourselves up ever since we evolved the sense of “self” and I doubt space travel would stop us from continuing
Some Fun Facts:''The Expanse'' was originally to be the backstory for a MMO,that was never produced.The 2 writers,used to be George R.R.Martin's assistants.When the game was cancelled,he encouraged them to turn it into a book,he also supported the #SaveTheExpanse campaign online,earlier this year.
nice, I was thinking how "The Expanse" would make a great MMO if properly set. In the Eve Online community "The Expanse" its seen as the closest a TV show has gotten to the game
@@dffndjdjd ehm... All the books as well as the original lore for that MMO have been written by Ty Franck. Daniel Abraham is the co-author of the books. "James S. A. Corey" is just the the pen name for their joint venture of writhing this book series. Just adding, both Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham are part of the writing team for the TV series too.
Naomi: has an entire arc about her crippling self-doubt and whether her approach to resolving conflict could ever really work against Laconia @@dffndjdjd : the characters are too self-righteous
It may sound strange, but The Expanse is the one modern TV show where watching it made me feel like a little kid again. Having watched Stargate SG-1 & its spin-offs, the revived Doctor Who, Firefly, and other sci-fi TV shows in my childhood, I developed a strong emotional connection with James Holden and the crew of the Rocinante from the very first episode. I instantly felt like I was tagging along on their journey in the same way younger me did with SG-1 and the crew of the Serenity.
The Expanse resurrected my faith in Sci-Fi. Turns out if you have your plotlines set out before hand, you actually end up being a satisfying watch and not a complete mess like BSG turned out to be.
RedSaint83 - It barely skirts it though. If you removed the protomolecule the only thing left that would be on that line is the Epstien Drive. And the reason the Epstein Drive is on that line is because we *barely* know if a fusion drive of that power is possible. We've theorized how Fusion drives would work. And we've theorized Fusion drives close to the power of the Epstein Drive, but we just can't fully tell considering we haven't even mastered basic fusion yet, let alone Fusion spaceship engines.
ScreamingTc or you can enjoy both in their own right without feeling the need to piss on one to prop up another. Respect your elders is not only for people its goes for shows that paved the way for the expanse to be on tv . Without BSG syfy might not have giving it a chance as they were looking for a new flagship sci-fi show .
ladyevenstar22 - ScreamingTv has a right to like or dislike whatever he pleases. And he has absolutely no obligation to like anyone or anything just because they're older than him. "Repect your elders" is a phrase that I associate with old people who have been mean all their lives and don't understand why nobody likes them. Nobody deserves respect just because they're old or in positions of power. And by the same token nobody is obligated to like the Original Startrek or Battlestar Galactica just because it's old. I also have no respect for Picasso as a person or for John Lennon, despite what they contributed to Post Modernism and rock. They were both old abusive dicks, and they don't deserve my respect just because they're old or contributed to their fields.
I absolutely love The Expanse, for various reasons, but the top one being it's depiction of science and it's limitations (with a few exceptions), it reinforces, to even the layman, that science is cool and fun and doesn't need to be overly sensationalized to be cinematic. This show legitimately reinvigorates my curiosity in space and the future of space travel, and I love that.
Rowan J Coleman they manage to keep a great deal of accuracy to the characters and the built universe. All that i can say about those books is that they're highly addictive drugs in book form. Plus the ambassador swears even more in the books than she does in the show. Highly recommend
ya agreed the books are awesome and i highly recommend them. there are currently 7 books out and so far the show has only covered books 1-3 season 4 is supposed to cover book 4
I have learned that if something is written well, spoilers don't matter. In fact, I would say if both things are done will, they just enhance each other. The shows are just the most perfect version of the books. They can't do everything, so you mind is racing to figure out exactly what elements they could possible use to get to the similar end?! Even though you know everything, you are still left wondering how exactly they will piece this together. Sometimes you extra knowledge actually gets in the way! So you can enjoy both I say. And hoooolyyyy shit things get crazy. If you can't wait, don't worry about spoilers, the show is gonna be great still :D
The Expanse will forever be talked about in sci-fi fandom as one of the greats, up there with Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek DS9,, Babylon 5, TNG, Farscape, etc. I'm so, so glad I found this show only several months ago. After I read it was cancelled & saw all the outrage, I had to see what made this show so worth getting pissed about. It was fantastic, and I'm so relieved Amazon picked this up. I really hope people find this show & continue to support it, as the Expanse deserves to go on for several more seasons.
The truly great thing about the expanse is that you can really imagine this as a logical path into the future. Its not even a matter of technology but simply of willingness to take the next step into the unknown. Like Columbus sailed to America we need to set out for the solar system and colonize it - for the same reason Reinhold Messner climbs mountains: "Because it is there".
I liked BSG and Firefly but The Expanse has a more liven-in world than any science fiction I have ever seen on TV. It's got in Space dirt under the fingernails blue collar ..... it feels like one could really be there...in the future.... you could even go to the bath room!
It's because The Expanse was made by fans of hard-science fiction. Not space-fantasy like most pseudoscience-fiction out there. The Protomolecule is the only thing that keeps The Expanse from being hard-sci-fi, everything else abides by the Only One Exception rule (the exception being propulsion physics).
Yeah and it shows that sticking to the facts you can still have a good story. Actually hard science fiction is not easy to write , and it makes a ripping yarn better.
I'm not going to make a lot of people happy with this comment, but The Expanse puts Firefly to shame in the world-building, lived-in universe way. I never really got into Firefly like some, but it did have some of that going for it at least. But The Expanse feels like a natural progression of human-kind, and the conflicts feel very real & logical. The motivations & revelations feel grounded, and the way different parties react to the protomolecule dilemma feels true to life. This show could go on another 5 seasons & not ever scratch the surface of what they've built here.
Tell ya. Everybody from Star Trek to BSG borrowed from the prose form of sophisticated space opera as it existed by 1960 (it is still being written!). Of course the authors , who are Cory, are familiar with classic science fiction. The main thing is that the show replicates the verisimilitude of many writers , like Robert Heinlein (as an example). This is classic space opera on a chipped plate. Plus the fact of the known universe and it's physics are used a basic fabric for the stories. All the machinery of The Expanse is well known to any reader of modern ‘hard’ science fiction. That is the fun part.
This is such a brilliant and succinct summation of why the expanse is great. I've tried to iterate stuff like this to friends when recommending it but you do it so well. I think i'll just link your video to them next time lol
Couldn't agree more with everything you said. It is such an amazing show with so many twists and turns that keep you on the edge of your seat. And I didn't get bored of it at all. In fact, as the seasons went on, I felt more and more immersed.
One of my favorite elements of The Expanse is the diversity of the cast; or better yet how it was handled. The characters are lavishly written compared to the clumsy ham fisted approach used by new Star Wars and Star Trek.
ed rosa It is diverse but in ways that make sense and give different points of view rather than feeling like an agenda shoved in your face. I saw some of the explanations as to why the Martians are from their particular backgrounds which led to Alex having a Texas accent, and not a bad one at that. It fits in to the world they have created
And afaik in opposition to ST and SW, nobody complains about "forced diversity", pandering to SJW's and so on (well I bet there are a very few, but that's to be expected, though I've not heard of any so far). Maybe thats because the characters are well written and believable instead of token characters designed to fill a checklist.
Naw, the Expanse receives the same kind and (proportionately) just as much vitriol regarding this particular aspect as ST and SW do. Idiot right-wing haters gonna hate. And the fact that the writers are Martin-protégés merely paints a bigger target on their backs, seeing how staunchly opposed to Sad/Mad Puppies Martin was and how much raving lunacy was flung his way for that.
@JR S - Honestly I've not seen it. The youtuber that turned me on to The Expanse hates both the STD and TLJ, I've not seen STD, but felt TLJ was abhorrently lazy in it's writing.
@ed rosa There are legitimate reasons to dislike STD (not soooo many) and TLJ (quite a few more). I was talking about hating them for all the wrong reasons (specifically diversity) and how this hate is acted out in public.
i watched the show, then bought the books. man i find this show/books so neat that i bought a custom made the expanse themed playmat for mx hobby. now the MCRN Donnager is always with me. also yes....indeed this show has the power to just show you likable Charakters with nearly no screentime. like camina drummer (she gets more in S3) and mateo's nefue wich we meet over and over again in the show, where he just struggles to survive the life of a rockhopper. great story
@@adamnesico why do i feel that those three things that you said are exactly why i love the expanse? GoT was mainstream because of them and look at it now, GoT declined to satisfy its massive "fans" (which ironically didnt happen) and I can barely even stand the GoT fandom anymore.
I’m a sci fi guy and I really thought shows like that are dead but expanse just pulled me back into this world and since then I’ve been hooked must watch Show 8.9/10
The Expanse is a great show, even for non sci-fi lovers. I was so sad when I heard they were going to cancel it.... and then so happy to hear it's going to go on :) It's one of the best sci-fi shows ever to come out.
i am taken aback by the exspanse, i have found out that its 8 years making it and i have only just discovered it and what a great discovery it is, for me holden has just fixed the ring and all these other places have opened up, the physics of this show is actually pretty damn good i could go on & on but i wont as i will say thank you for what is turning out to be an amazing show with nearly every character being amazing to watch
I’m not at all an eco-nerd but one of the biggest and surprising takeaways for me was that it made me really think about how much we don’t appreciate this beautiful planet of ours. Imagine living without free air, no sunlight or risking your life (as a Martian) in hopes of seeing the day when your planet is able to “create” a sea.
Yes. One of the best shows currently on television. Right there alongside Game of Thrones, Better Call Saul, Fargo, and Mr. Robot (with The Americans ending recently, the field of top tier shows is thinning).
Very well stated, Rowan. Excellent feature about one of my favorite shows. I just finished binge-watching Seasons 2 & 3 and I've read all the books and short stories/novellas. I have to admit I'm now officially an Expanse junkie, sa sa que? It is right up there with Dune, Battlestar and Star Trek and, yes, Farscape and also SG1, as quality sci-fi viewing and reading. If you are a fan of good sci-fi storytelling, if you like rich, complex, well developed, well-written and superbly acted stories then do yourself a favour and check it out.
I just recently got into this show and was mostly caught up, so I was bummed when I heard it had been cancelled. Then I heard Amazon had swooped in to save this series and was happy again. Really looking forward to where they go next with this awesome show. Great video. More folks need to know about this series.
bambubambubambu But did you hear why Amazon swooped into save it? It was because George RR Martin called Jeff Bezos and told him about it and asked him to pick it up. Awesome is that?
@Rowan J Coleman I absolutely LOVE your lucid and comprehensive review of all these sci-fi shows. You have a gift. I hope it's recognized beyond TH-cam.
It is better ;). It if more lighthearted than Expanse but it has great cast awsome story, good humor and no no sense attitude. Also effects aged preatty well and animatronic aliens are better than a lot of stuff than newest Star Wars thrown at us.
This show is so intriguing to me I'm going to sit down and watch this is Isle of having Amazon Prime just haven't had a chance but I know it's a great show just from hearing other people talk about it
This show is stunning. I was a fan of the novels long before watching and I thought it would be a flop. But it's so addictive and the VFX are beautiful!
One of my favourite details is that miller always spills drinks when he is pouring them so much so that he has a device that corrects the trajectory this is because he has so little care that he doesn’t mind losing the precious water
I don't want to know what it is, but I do hope the writers have a good plan for what they are going to do with the bundle of mysterious hints which, as of the end of season 3, is what we have of the Protomolecule story.
The reason The Expanse is so good is it's realism. No warp drives, hyperdrives, Guild Navigators, or stargates(but the Epstein Drive does stretch things a little). Pleas check all phasers, blasters light sabers, Ra Staffs, and Zat Guns at the door. And hang on,because it's going to be a bumpy ride!
By the way you totally SPOILED the stuff about protoparticles or something! Damn! Now I know what all that stuff is at the beginning of episode 1! ...or do I? I don't wanna know
Didn't hit as high of a peak as GOT imo but where GOT is now this show is far superior and it's not even close, lets hope this show doesn't fall as far as GOT did. Considering the Author(s) is actually writing these books at a good pace meaning they won't running out of book material I don't think that's possible.
This show is soooo good that i didn't buy the books. I usually do because i want to know what the "real"stuff is like, but for the expanse? As you said the production value is absolutely insane and so is the plot and so are the actors, no way I'm spoiling myself with puny paper relics
Tommorow British time is when season 4 begins. I can't wait. Just wondering if all the season will be available or whether its going to be a week by week show.
Hahaha, you have the same wallpaper as I do, so when your video was about to end I could not understand why I saw my wallpaper on TH-cam :D And I fully agree with your review.
Usually human centric sci-fi’s bore me to death, much preferring Star Trek and Mass Effect. But somehow, the expanse won me over. Easily one of my favorite shows ever.
The Expanse leaves Star Trek/Star War dead in the water, even though I loved them. Just finished S3 this afternoon, have all the books and the DVD's. Some of the attention to detail is amazing like Tilly dying in zero G with her tears covering her eyes instead of falling! Can't wait for S4.
I need to say, you do a truly excellent job making these videos Rowan. You compose beautiful and engaging visual content with seamless editing. And then your narration is truly some of the best I've heard. The intelligent and comprehensive analysis is spot on. Most often I 100% agree with you. In the few instances I haven't, I've still found your views interesting, engaging, and thought provoking. You really are creating some exceptional, entertaining, and truly useful content. I find myself wishing I had some means of ensuring your channel's ever increasing popularity. Regardless of any other consideration, I'm super glad I found you. You have my ongoing gratitude and support.
Thank you so much, it always means a lot to read comments like these. I guess just share with friends if you wanna help out or Patreon or whatever. Either way, your continued viewing will always be appreciated no matter what :)
Very good character driven large scale (space opera) SF. The characters are real, and evolve. Technology and limitations well written. The only part I don't care for is the proto whatever/McGuffin underlying the plot. The Expanse is very good, perhaps as good as one can ask in 2019, but I still liked B5 better.
The Expanse has become my favorite Science Fiction show since B5 hands down. Unfortunately I can't get my wife enthusiastic about it, she watched the first half of season 1 and just struggled with all the politics and found it dull. I've had the same comments from a lot of other people, and I think perhaps that is part of the reason they have struggled to find large viewer numbers. If only they had structured those first 6 episodes a bit differently, introducing the politics more gradually and concentrate on the core story more (like the novel does), I think they would have found a larger initial audience. I think they realised this at some point and changed the writing style, or perhaps just got past the political info-dump required as once you get into season 2 the pace becomes breathtaking, and season 3 is of course the pay-off for the long game - 13 of the best episodes of TV I can think of, up there with the best episodes of GoT and Black Mirror without a doubt.
Expanse is awesome. Just bought the first book. "I ain't never read one of them sci-fi books, or any books in general for that matter, but I'm about to start."
As a reader of the books, I just want to assure everyone that they are totally worth reading, but if you don't the show is a perfect spiritual envoy of their pages. Some things the show even does better (Avasarala isn't even in the first book!?). Of course, unlike GOT, where the show is ahead of the books, here we can expect the books to be finished long before the show. If you want some spoilers cause you just want wait...well, totally worth it. I have not regretted experiencing both :D
Hell yes Been looking forward to see you talk about this great show. Despite a rocky first season it's gotten better and better with every series. The end of s3 really opened things up, I'm very excited to see where things go from here :) Congrats on the degree btw
Now if netflix could release season 3 here in northern europe too like with s1 & 2, that would be great. Or that Syfy could you know not regionlock their stuff, that would also be great.
game of thrones in space is pretty spot on .. the char development .. the main story and side storys .. the writing ... the science ... its the most epic si fi ever made ... its simply a must watch for anyone who likes sci .fi .... and tbh im sorry to say it... i think it makes star wars look like ,... well a kids movie lol which it is ... the expanse is definatly not for kids .. unless you want them to have nightmares until there 21
My tolerance levels are lower than yours, if it's not available in the week I usually pirate it... I love these shows, i would like to pay for them and be counted in the audience but i'm not going to be 1 episode late just because french law is dumb. The shows are available online 1 HOUR after their US TV release, for free. And we're supposed to wait 6 months and pay a premium to support french local TV? That's a tough pill to swallow and the government doesn't even enforce its anti piracy laws anymore because they know its dumb and they loose even more money.
CrystalStearOfTheCas I feel you man. Though I did get a message from my internet service provider about three weeks ago saying they knew I had been sharing stuff via peer-2-peer, and it was a warning but any more stuff and they would cut me off, so make sure you have a VPN on when you do it!
Will Mosse because hard science fiction isn't mainstream like fantasy and it aired on a not so famous tv channel (also, the beginning of the show is quite slow, but I found the beginning of got also slow so idk)
Genesys1040 yeah, I get your point, for sure. But fantasy was always less mainstream than SciFi until GoT brought it to the fore, on the footsteps of the Peter Jackson LoTR movies. The Expanse should be doing the same thing! But hey, I can’t choose the zeitgeist I guess...
Scifi, what if we actually got out there? No idea, where we would end up, but this is probably how we would start. Just saying, i could not wait a whole year for next season so i read a few thausend pages over 10 days and oh yeah, in english. After that I was waiting again, for season 3 and now I`m waiting again. Grüße aus Deutschland, weiter so!
Quick question is season 3 (once finished) coming to netflix for international audiences like previous seasons or is it gonna be put straight on amazon prime video like season 4 will be? I love the series so i wanna be able to watch it when it releases just wish farscape got the same treatment, the show was well ahead of it's time
I don't know for sure, but I would assume, considering Amazon has picked up the show, that all of The Expanse will move over from Netflix to Amazon. It would make the most sense in my mind.
Rowan J Coleman that was what i was thinking but then again netflix signed a deal for the international distribution of the current seasons, which given that the amazon deal was signed over mostly season 4.... Long and short of it i have no idea XD just as long as it's out soon I'm happy
The best line in this show is " i killed him because he was making sense "
sverebom that's true
sverebom while the whole scene was absolutely badass, my favorite Amos line is still "don't get me wrong, I would fuck her if she let me"
In the book, there's about 2 pages worth describing what Miller was thinking and going through at that point, but yeah, the line "because he was making sense" really sums it up excellently.
At the same time, that scene made me want to punch Miller in the face. In fact, he became one of the few characters I dislike on a show I consider one of the best Sci-Fi shows ever.
Yes, because it were compelling arguments for genocide to people who hated his guts. Miller saved the Solarsystem!
I read all the books at least twice and currently I´m in the middle of watching the show from Season one for the second time. It´s amazing how close the show sticks to the source material while also taking the freedom to change juuuust the tiny bits to give viewers an even more amazing time. Love it ;)
I loved those minor changes, as far as the tech side goes even the authors say it's pure fantasy
The sad thing about the show is the very real depiction of a ravaged overpopulated earth and how human nature still hasn't evolved that much.
but, we got there
Phrancis5 joke’s on you for expecting humanity to change at all. We’ve been beating ourselves up ever since we evolved the sense of “self” and I doubt space travel would stop us from continuing
Technological advance won't change human nature.
Best conversion of a scifi book to screen in a loooong time. Love it!
Some Fun Facts:''The Expanse'' was originally to be the backstory for a MMO,that was never produced.The 2 writers,used to be George R.R.Martin's assistants.When the game was cancelled,he encouraged them to turn it into a book,he also supported the #SaveTheExpanse campaign online,earlier this year.
nice, I was thinking how "The Expanse" would make a great MMO if properly set. In the Eve Online community "The Expanse" its seen as the closest a TV show has gotten to the game
ty for info
@@dffndjdjd ehm...
All the books as well as the original lore for that MMO have been written by Ty Franck.
Daniel Abraham is the co-author of the books.
"James S. A. Corey" is just the the pen name for their joint venture of writhing this book series.
Just adding, both Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham are part of the writing team for the TV series too.
Naomi: has an entire arc about her crippling self-doubt and whether her approach to resolving conflict could ever really work against Laconia
@@dffndjdjd : the characters are too self-righteous
It may sound strange, but The Expanse is the one modern TV show where watching it made me feel like a little kid again. Having watched Stargate SG-1 & its spin-offs, the revived Doctor Who, Firefly, and other sci-fi TV shows in my childhood, I developed a strong emotional connection with James Holden and the crew of the Rocinante from the very first episode. I instantly felt like I was tagging along on their journey in the same way younger me did with SG-1 and the crew of the Serenity.
The Expanse resurrected my faith in Sci-Fi. Turns out if you have your plotlines set out before hand, you actually end up being a satisfying watch and not a complete mess like BSG turned out to be.
Oh yeah I have a video about BSG in the works. God that show went weird by the end.
Also it helps that it skirts the line of hard and soft sci-fi.
RedSaint83 - It barely skirts it though. If you removed the protomolecule the only thing left that would be on that line is the Epstien Drive. And the reason the Epstein Drive is on that line is because we *barely* know if a fusion drive of that power is possible. We've theorized how Fusion drives would work. And we've theorized Fusion drives close to the power of the Epstein Drive, but we just can't fully tell considering we haven't even mastered basic fusion yet, let alone Fusion spaceship engines.
ScreamingTc or you can enjoy both in their own right without feeling the need to piss on one to prop up another. Respect your elders is not only for people its goes for shows that paved the way for the expanse to be on tv . Without BSG syfy might not have giving it a chance as they were looking for a new flagship sci-fi show .
ladyevenstar22 - ScreamingTv has a right to like or dislike whatever he pleases. And he has absolutely no obligation to like anyone or anything just because they're older than him.
"Repect your elders" is a phrase that I associate with old people who have been mean all their lives and don't understand why nobody likes them. Nobody deserves respect just because they're old or in positions of power. And by the same token nobody is obligated to like the Original Startrek or Battlestar Galactica just because it's old.
I also have no respect for Picasso as a person or for John Lennon, despite what they contributed to Post Modernism and rock. They were both old abusive dicks, and they don't deserve my respect just because they're old or contributed to their fields.
I absolutely love The Expanse, for various reasons, but the top one being it's depiction of science and it's limitations (with a few exceptions), it reinforces, to even the layman, that science is cool and fun and doesn't need to be overly sensationalized to be cinematic. This show legitimately reinvigorates my curiosity in space and the future of space travel, and I love that.
I love the expanse. I watched the series and immediately brought the books
I haven't found time to read the books yet? Are there many changes from page to screen?
Rowan J Coleman they manage to keep a great deal of accuracy to the characters and the built universe. All that i can say about those books is that they're highly addictive drugs in book form. Plus the ambassador swears even more in the books than she does in the show. Highly recommend
ya agreed the books are awesome and i highly recommend them. there are currently 7 books out and so far the show has only covered books 1-3 season 4 is supposed to cover book 4
i really want to but not sure if i want to watch the tv show first so I dont spoil S4+
I have learned that if something is written well, spoilers don't matter. In fact, I would say if both things are done will, they just enhance each other. The shows are just the most perfect version of the books. They can't do everything, so you mind is racing to figure out exactly what elements they could possible use to get to the similar end?! Even though you know everything, you are still left wondering how exactly they will piece this together. Sometimes you extra knowledge actually gets in the way!
So you can enjoy both I say. And hoooolyyyy shit things get crazy. If you can't wait, don't worry about spoilers, the show is gonna be great still :D
The Expanse will forever be talked about in sci-fi fandom as one of the greats, up there with Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek DS9,, Babylon 5, TNG, Farscape, etc.
I'm so, so glad I found this show only several months ago. After I read it was cancelled & saw all the outrage, I had to see what made this show so worth getting pissed about. It was fantastic, and I'm so relieved Amazon picked this up. I really hope people find this show & continue to support it, as the Expanse deserves to go on for several more seasons.
I have been impressed with the changes from the books. Combining some characters and changing some plots have improved the story from the books.
I like parts of the show even more than the books.
The truly great thing about the expanse is that you can really imagine this as a logical path into the future. Its not even a matter of technology but simply of willingness to take the next step into the unknown. Like Columbus sailed to America we need to set out for the solar system and colonize it - for the same reason Reinhold Messner climbs mountains: "Because it is there".
I liked BSG and Firefly but The Expanse has a more liven-in world than any science fiction I have ever seen on TV. It's got in Space dirt under the fingernails blue collar ..... it feels like one could really be there...in the future.... you could even go to the bath room!
It's because The Expanse was made by fans of hard-science fiction. Not space-fantasy like most pseudoscience-fiction out there. The Protomolecule is the only thing that keeps The Expanse from being hard-sci-fi, everything else abides by the Only One Exception rule (the exception being propulsion physics).
Yeah and it shows that sticking to the facts you can still have a good story. Actually hard science fiction is not easy to write , and it makes a ripping yarn better.
I'm not going to make a lot of people happy with this comment, but The Expanse puts Firefly to shame in the world-building, lived-in universe way. I never really got into Firefly like some, but it did have some of that going for it at least. But The Expanse feels like a natural progression of human-kind, and the conflicts feel very real & logical. The motivations & revelations feel grounded, and the way different parties react to the protomolecule dilemma feels true to life. This show could go on another 5 seasons & not ever scratch the surface of what they've built here.
Tell ya. Everybody from Star Trek to BSG borrowed from the prose form of sophisticated space opera as it existed by 1960 (it is still being written!). Of course the authors , who are Cory, are familiar with classic science fiction. The main thing is that the show replicates the verisimilitude of many writers , like Robert Heinlein (as an example). This is classic space opera on a chipped plate. Plus the fact of the known universe and it's physics are used a basic fabric for the stories. All the machinery of The Expanse is well known to any reader of modern ‘hard’ science fiction. That is the fun part.
serenety had a toilet though :)
This is such a brilliant and succinct summation of why the expanse is great. I've tried to iterate stuff like this to friends when recommending it but you do it so well.
I think i'll just link your video to them next time lol
This is truly one of the great shows in the sci/fi world. A must see to any fan.
Couldn't agree more with everything you said. It is such an amazing show with so many twists and turns that keep you on the edge of your seat. And I didn't get bored of it at all. In fact, as the seasons went on, I felt more and more immersed.
I Love the Expanse with Every atom in my Body- My Favorite TV show hands down.
Not Even BSG can compare to this Masterpiece!
One of my favorite elements of The Expanse is the diversity of the cast; or better yet how it was handled.
The characters are lavishly written compared to the clumsy ham fisted approach used by new Star Wars and Star Trek.
ed rosa It is diverse but in ways that make sense and give different points of view rather than feeling like an agenda shoved in your face. I saw some of the explanations as to why the Martians are from their particular backgrounds which led to Alex having a Texas accent, and not a bad one at that. It fits in to the world they have created
And afaik in opposition to ST and SW, nobody complains about "forced diversity", pandering to SJW's and so on (well I bet there are a very few, but that's to be expected, though I've not heard of any so far). Maybe thats because the characters are well written and believable instead of token characters designed to fill a checklist.
Naw, the Expanse receives the same kind and (proportionately) just as much vitriol regarding this particular aspect as ST and SW do. Idiot right-wing haters gonna hate. And the fact that the writers are Martin-protégés merely paints a bigger target on their backs, seeing how staunchly opposed to Sad/Mad Puppies Martin was and how much raving lunacy was flung his way for that.
@JR S - Honestly I've not seen it. The youtuber that turned me on to The Expanse hates both the STD and TLJ, I've not seen STD, but felt TLJ was abhorrently lazy in it's writing.
@ed rosa There are legitimate reasons to dislike STD (not soooo many) and TLJ (quite a few more). I was talking about hating them for all the wrong reasons (specifically diversity) and how this hate is acted out in public.
i watched the show, then bought the books.
man i find this show/books so neat that i bought a custom made the expanse themed playmat for mx hobby.
now the MCRN Donnager is always with me.
also yes....indeed this show has the power to just show you likable Charakters with nearly no screentime.
like camina drummer (she gets more in S3) and mateo's nefue wich we meet over and over again in the show, where he just struggles to survive the life of a rockhopper.
great story
This show need to be viral like GoT
@@adamnesico why do i feel that those three things that you said are exactly why i love the expanse? GoT was mainstream because of them and look at it now, GoT declined to satisfy its massive "fans" (which ironically didnt happen) and I can barely even stand the GoT fandom anymore.
Every word you said ✊🏾
I’m a sci fi guy and I really thought shows like that are dead but expanse just pulled me back into this world and since then I’ve been hooked must watch Show 8.9/10
If you're into SciFi and you haven't seen this show at least once.... you're doing it wrong :P
❣️❣️🔥🔥🔥 visuals are amazing for a series... !! And narrative is really awesome. I think it will the best series of my life time...
The Expanse is a great show, even for non sci-fi lovers. I was so sad when I heard they were going to cancel it.... and then so happy to hear it's going to go on :) It's one of the best sci-fi shows ever to come out.
Chrissjen Avassarala is my most favorite TV show character ever. I love the Expanse
i am taken aback by the exspanse, i have found out that its 8 years making it and i have only just discovered it and what a great discovery it is, for me holden has just fixed the ring and all these other places have opened up, the physics of this show is actually pretty damn good i could go on & on but i wont as i will say thank you for what is turning out to be an amazing show with nearly every character being amazing to watch
I’m not at all an eco-nerd but one of the biggest and surprising takeaways for me was that it made me really think about how much we don’t appreciate this beautiful planet of ours. Imagine living without free air, no sunlight or risking your life (as a Martian) in hopes of seeing the day when your planet is able to “create” a sea.
Yes. One of the best shows currently on television. Right there alongside Game of Thrones, Better Call Saul, Fargo, and Mr. Robot (with The Americans ending recently, the field of top tier shows is thinning).
Very well stated, Rowan. Excellent feature about one of my favorite shows. I just finished binge-watching Seasons 2 & 3 and I've read all the books and short stories/novellas. I have to admit I'm now officially an Expanse junkie, sa sa que? It is right up there with Dune, Battlestar and Star Trek and, yes, Farscape and also SG1, as quality sci-fi viewing and reading. If you are a fan of good sci-fi storytelling, if you like rich, complex, well developed, well-written and superbly acted stories then do yourself a favour and check it out.
I just recently got into this show and was mostly caught up, so I was bummed when I heard it had been cancelled. Then I heard Amazon had swooped in to save this series and was happy again. Really looking forward to where they go next with this awesome show.
Great video. More folks need to know about this series.
bambubambubambu But did you hear why Amazon swooped into save it? It was because George RR Martin called Jeff Bezos and told him about it and asked him to pick it up. Awesome is that?
@Rowan J Coleman
I absolutely LOVE your lucid and comprehensive review of all these sci-fi shows. You have a gift. I hope it's recognized beyond TH-cam.
I make films and write books as well if you're interested haha.
Expanse is hands down best SF show since Farescape was cancelled IMO!
Piotr Skłodowski agreed
Is Farescape that good?
It surpassed Firefly as my favorite SciFi show of all time
It is better ;). It if more lighthearted than Expanse but it has great cast awsome story, good humor and no no sense attitude. Also effects aged preatty well and animatronic aliens are better than a lot of stuff than newest Star Wars thrown at us.
Thank you man. Where do you think I can watch it? Netflix?
Just finished season 3. Holy shit, what a good show.
Nice, but you understate the brilliance of it. It's even better than you describe.
Feel free to elaborate.
This show is so intriguing to me I'm going to sit down and watch this is Isle of having Amazon Prime just haven't had a chance but I know it's a great show just from hearing other people talk about it
This show is stunning. I was a fan of the novels long before watching and I thought it would be a flop. But it's so addictive and the VFX are beautiful!
One of my favourite details is that miller always spills drinks when he is pouring them so much so that he has a device that corrects the trajectory this is because he has so little care that he doesn’t mind losing the precious water
There is no device and he doesn't spill. The water's trajectory is influenced by the strong coriolis effect due to the weak gravity on the station.
I don't want to know what it is, but I do hope the writers have a good plan for what they are going to do with the bundle of mysterious hints which, as of the end of season 3, is what we have of the Protomolecule story.
One of the best TV shows ever made. Hands down. Consistently good story, acting, production, music, effects, etc.
Brilliant video, superb work. I've subscribed and look forward to watching your other videos.
Expanse is such a beautiful show.
I am on book 5. Not stopping any time soon. The show amazingly portrays the show. Great story and character as welll as science done right
The reason The Expanse is so good is it's realism. No warp drives, hyperdrives, Guild Navigators, or stargates(but the Epstein Drive does stretch things a little). Pleas check all phasers, blasters light sabers, Ra Staffs, and Zat Guns at the door. And hang on,because it's going to be a bumpy ride!
Congratulations on getting your degree! And a perfect video to get back into TH-cam with. We missed you :)
Thanks loads, it's good to be back :)
Did you seriously just upload this after I started watching it? I only watched 3 episodes and it was awesome!
Yes hehe
By the way you totally SPOILED the stuff about protoparticles or something!
Damn! Now I know what all that stuff is at the beginning of episode 1! ...or do I? I don't wanna know
He said it in the title
Just finished season 4 last night and I can't wait for season 5!
The Expanse is the best Tv show today and is as you say a classic all ready .
Make sure to watch uncut 4k amazon version. Not the edited tv version of the show.
The last episode. The Expanse could have opened more possibilities behind the other holes and possible Alien or AI forms of intelligence.
I have only seen first season. need to see rest and read books. this show is way better then Game of Thrones.
Didn't hit as high of a peak as GOT imo but where GOT is now this show is far superior and it's not even close, lets hope this show doesn't fall as far as GOT did. Considering the Author(s) is actually writing these books at a good pace meaning they won't running out of book material I don't think that's possible.
for me i deeply regret reading the GOT books. there is just too much of a nasty undertone to them that i dislike
The parallel with GoT/ASoIaF is because the writers of The Expanse used to work for George R. R. Martin.
Season 3 is the payoff from the long-game setup of season 1 and 2.
well then its a good thing they escaped his negativity
This show is soooo good that i didn't buy the books. I usually do because i want to know what the "real"stuff is like, but for the expanse? As you said the production value is absolutely insane and so is the plot and so are the actors, no way I'm spoiling myself with puny paper relics
This show filled the hole Star Wars left in my heart.
che wangia Same here.
Tommorow British time is when season 4 begins. I can't wait. Just wondering if all the season will be available or whether its going to be a week by week show.
Truly, truly awesome
Hahaha, you have the same wallpaper as I do, so when your video was about to end I could not understand why I saw my wallpaper on TH-cam :D
And I fully agree with your review.
Usually human centric sci-fi’s bore me to death, much preferring Star Trek and Mass Effect. But somehow, the expanse won me over. Easily one of my favorite shows ever.
“I am that guy” -Amos
The Expanse leaves Star Trek/Star War dead in the water, even though I loved them. Just finished S3 this afternoon, have all the books and the DVD's. Some of the attention to detail is amazing like Tilly dying in zero G with her tears covering her eyes instead of falling! Can't wait for S4.
I need to say, you do a truly excellent job making these videos Rowan. You compose beautiful and engaging visual content with seamless editing. And then your narration is truly some of the best I've heard. The intelligent and comprehensive analysis is spot on. Most often I 100% agree with you. In the few instances I haven't, I've still found your views interesting, engaging, and thought provoking. You really are creating some exceptional, entertaining, and truly useful content. I find myself wishing I had some means of ensuring your channel's ever increasing popularity. Regardless of any other consideration, I'm super glad I found you. You have my ongoing gratitude and support.
Thank you so much, it always means a lot to read comments like these. I guess just share with friends if you wanna help out or Patreon or whatever. Either way, your continued viewing will always be appreciated no matter what :)
Hear hear. Seconded, and I can add nothing further.
This show showed me why I have loved SciFi. SyFy's excuse of cost is such a giant cop out.
That's the problem with SyFy. They seem to have this habit of getting to season 3 and losing interest, then canceling the series.
What's hilarious is that we haven't met the "big bad" yet in the TV show.
Total agreement on the show
Thanks friend. Truly, the best SciFi show since BSG reboot...
I don't know yet and I don't want to know! Season 3 is not available on Netflix yet.
Antoine Eric i don't think it will ever be, since now Amazon has the rights to the series
Great video and my favorite Sci Fi on
Very good character driven large scale (space opera) SF. The characters are real, and evolve. Technology and limitations well written. The only part I don't care for is the proto whatever/McGuffin underlying the plot. The Expanse is very good, perhaps as good as one can ask in 2019, but I still liked B5 better.
I wholeheartedly agree. Cheers
He said Farscape. Now I have the urge to rewatch the series. Dammit
Fun fact one of the authors to the books was the personal assistant to George RR Martin so the Game of Thrones comparisons are quite appropriate
Thanks for letting me know this show has a 3rd season!
The Expanse has become my favorite Science Fiction show since B5 hands down. Unfortunately I can't get my wife enthusiastic about it, she watched the first half of season 1 and just struggled with all the politics and found it dull. I've had the same comments from a lot of other people, and I think perhaps that is part of the reason they have struggled to find large viewer numbers. If only they had structured those first 6 episodes a bit differently, introducing the politics more gradually and concentrate on the core story more (like the novel does), I think they would have found a larger initial audience. I think they realised this at some point and changed the writing style, or perhaps just got past the political info-dump required as once you get into season 2 the pace becomes breathtaking, and season 3 is of course the pay-off for the long game - 13 of the best episodes of TV I can think of, up there with the best episodes of GoT and Black Mirror without a doubt.
Only sci-fi show that has truly excited me as much as the re-imagend BSG did.
this is an intelligent review.
Expanse is awesome. Just bought the first book.
"I ain't never read one of them sci-fi books, or any books in general for that matter, but I'm about to start."
As a reader of the books, I just want to assure everyone that they are totally worth reading, but if you don't the show is a perfect spiritual envoy of their pages. Some things the show even does better (Avasarala isn't even in the first book!?). Of course, unlike GOT, where the show is ahead of the books, here we can expect the books to be finished long before the show. If you want some spoilers cause you just want wait...well, totally worth it. I have not regretted experiencing both :D
Hell yes
Been looking forward to see you talk about this great show.
Despite a rocky first season it's gotten better and better with every series.
The end of s3 really opened things up, I'm very excited to see where things go from here :)
Congrats on the degree btw
I wasn't super into the show until the Donnanger battle happened and then I was hooked. And thanks, it was so stressful haha
Now if netflix could release season 3 here in northern europe too like with s1 & 2, that would be great. Or that Syfy could you know not regionlock their stuff, that would also be great.
game of thrones in space is pretty spot on .. the char development .. the main story and side storys .. the writing ... the science ... its the most epic si fi ever made ... its simply a must watch for anyone who likes sci .fi .... and tbh im sorry to say it... i think it makes star wars look like ,... well a kids movie lol which it is ... the expanse is definatly not for kids .. unless you want them to have nightmares until there 21
Nice video. The Expanse is indeed awesome.
This rides along with the best such as Killjoys and Dark Matter
Guys at least we should thank Syfy for accepting the show the least lol.
I like to think that the NATGEO docu-series MARS is a prequel to THE EXPANSE.
This reminds me of gundam without mechas
Great vedio and well said 👍👍
my maN SaID sPAce PHysiCS
I wish more ppl watched this show
This new fans would like to the Thank the original fans who saved the show!
As far as the future is concerned, Star Trek is what we all hope for but The Expanse is what we'll get.
Remember the Cant!
Best show ever made. People just don’t know it yet.
Whilst Star Trek may have gone down the pan, its thanks to The Expanse and a few other shows that I can continue to enjoy great sci-fi story telling
Rowan. He is that guy.
What a great vid!
Hey now, there’s four factions. You forgot the Mormons.
Best sci fi show ever. The Expanse.
Should put in a spoiler warning tag, the vid uses footage from season 3 which isn't out in the UK yet.
He did, in the title.
M Nichols I totally agree. Waiting a few weeks or a couple of months is one thing. A year or whatever it is is just taking the piss.
My tolerance levels are lower than yours, if it's not available in the week I usually pirate it... I love these shows, i would like to pay for them and be counted in the audience but i'm not going to be 1 episode late just because french law is dumb. The shows are available online 1 HOUR after their US TV release, for free. And we're supposed to wait 6 months and pay a premium to support french local TV? That's a tough pill to swallow and the government doesn't even enforce its anti piracy laws anymore because they know its dumb and they loose even more money.
CrystalStearOfTheCas I feel you man. Though I did get a message from my internet service provider about three weeks ago saying they knew I had been sharing stuff via peer-2-peer, and it was a warning but any more stuff and they would cut me off, so make sure you have a VPN on when you do it!
I can’t understand why this show doesn’t get more play. Hardly anyone I speak to has seen it. It should be up there with GoT.
Will Mosse because hard science fiction isn't mainstream like fantasy and it aired on a not so famous tv channel (also, the beginning of the show is quite slow, but I found the beginning of got also slow so idk)
Genesys1040 yeah, I get your point, for sure. But fantasy was always less mainstream than SciFi until GoT brought it to the fore, on the footsteps of the Peter Jackson LoTR movies. The Expanse should be doing the same thing! But hey, I can’t choose the zeitgeist I guess...
Scifi, what if we actually got out there? No idea, where we would end up, but this is probably how we would start. Just saying, i could not wait a whole year for next season so i read a few thausend pages over 10 days and oh yeah, in english. After that I was waiting again, for season 3 and now I`m waiting again. Grüße aus Deutschland, weiter so!
Season 3 has only come in the rest of the world a week ago
Quick question is season 3 (once finished) coming to netflix for international audiences like previous seasons or is it gonna be put straight on amazon prime video like season 4 will be?
I love the series so i wanna be able to watch it when it releases just wish farscape got the same treatment, the show was well ahead of it's time
I don't know for sure, but I would assume, considering Amazon has picked up the show, that all of The Expanse will move over from Netflix to Amazon. It would make the most sense in my mind.
Rowan J Coleman that was what i was thinking but then again netflix signed a deal for the international distribution of the current seasons, which given that the amazon deal was signed over mostly season 4.... Long and short of it i have no idea XD just as long as it's out soon I'm happy