I would say Coco aswell, although that's probably one of the ONLY times it's done well. Pretty much Soul too, which has every generic trope in the books.
Princess and the Frog had a nice twist on this narrative. While it had the street-smart rebel boy, Tiana's arc was pretty much a total reversal of most common Disney princesses. She wants "Something More", but learns that trying to get that "Something More" is ignoring all the good she already has. This is why it's my favorite Disney movie.
I liked Princess and the Frog because of all the culture in the movie, but I do think that Tiana is a nice protagonist. Prince Naveen was the perfect prince for her because he’s spoiled and she’s responsible .😂😂
It makes him more adorable than most characters in his narrative role, which I love. Being inspired by a book is also relatable to the sheltered protagonist. Makes their relationship more believable, but I wish there'd been a thing where they'd both read the same book and could spend a little time nerding out about it
Frozen was like "ok you get one" then Zootopia was like "mf okay 2 you get two" then Moana came in and was like "I was definitely thinking about but wasn't gonna say it"
@@GreenFoxLuama more like after 2016ish or 2010s, look at all the movies from the 1990s and 80s. You cant say the little mermaid and beaty and the beast qerent magical
Not Particularly. This is only Little Mermaid, Tangled, and Moana. When Walt Disney was alive they often tried new things with each movie and they only made 3 Princess movies. In the 90s they really started cranking them out.
I think I’ve just discovered why people ship Judy and Nick. The plot to their movie is literally a mirror image of tangled, which is a love story on purpose. No wonder we’re all speculative and confused when the writers insist they’re not in love. They’re not, guys! We didn’t write it that way! Honest!
That movie was clearly intended for furries, of course they’re going to ship the thick rabbit with the attractive fox. Disney knew what they were doing. Furries are regular customers of theirs
How's it any more of a mirror image than the rest of the movies listed in the disney formula? Rapunzel wasn't motivated to go outside by a sense of justice iirc, and for Judy it isn't a single person holding her back, but a species-ist system. In the case of Judy and Nick, there's a few rivals-to-lovers tropes that create chemistry between them. A cynical and confident character (hereby named Nick for short) that can initially run circles or trick the plucky protagonist (hereby Judy), but is impressed by their perseverence. The sass from Nick toes the line between patronizing and flirtatious... when Judy goes out of her way to prove herself worthy of respect, it can seem more personal because that much effort in a response gives the partially flirtatious comment attention.... especially since proving that to the world is Judy's goal in the first place, and even more so when Judy adds icing to the cake by flipping and sending the patronizing/flirtatious comment back to Nick. Banter is the stuff of close friends and people hitting on eachother. So when two characters start doing that as strangers, and form a close bond that's going hand in hand with their character arcs? There's usually a romantic theme there.
Nick and Judy are friends like Moana and Maui are friends. Why can't people just let that be?? You can say you love someone and not be in love with them. You can say you love your friends.
@@CharlieQuartz I think princess and the frog turns it into its own thing. Tiana isnt the naive one, Prince Naveen is. And while it is a movie partly about a journey, the whole movie isn’t about it.
@@sketchycat6223 Ooo that’s interesting. So from one way of thinking, TPatP is the Disney Formula from the point of view of the gender-swapped “male” character
Honestly, the best Disney movies are the ones that loosely follow the same formula but change a few important details, just enough to surprise the audience and point the story in a slightly different direction. For instance, Mulan follows most of the same story beats, but it diverges in some important areas. Mulan joins the army because if she didn’t, her aging, wounded father would have been conscripted (so her motivations differ from the Disney norm). Mulan is forced to become a strong, elite soldier because her life is on the line, not because she has any real desire to pursue this grand adventure she’s on. The male co-lead is a disgraced guardian dragon who breaks the standard archetype for a Disney male co-lead (he’s goofy, ride or die, and never splits from Mulan at any point in the story; that being said, the captain partly fills the place of a stereotypical male co-lead). Her being discovered as a woman falls right into the formula, but her split from the group plays out much better than in other movies because of the tension leading into that moment (she spends most of the movie avoiding that very scenario, and there are close calls leading up to that moment, so the audience expects it to happen at some point). It doesn’t just happen out of nowhere. Speaking of “happening out of nowhere”, there is no twist villain in Mulan, which is a blessing in hindsight.
@@madeniquevanwyk He was male, and given focus while being by her side. Funny, but not his only purpose. Calling that prince captain guy(don't remember his name) the male lead would be overexaggerating considering that Mushu was there.
I like this formula, it's like sayng that all marvel movies are the same It has an overrarching story with, even if the formula is the same, all of his original tropes (but yes, it should be a bit more articulated in the GENERAL formula)
And don't forget the trope that the parent of the main protagonist is so hard and overbearing on them is because their SO either died due to a disease or an accident, thus making the parent more cautious and anxious, causing them to be overprotective of their child. At the midpoint of the movie, the parent either catches up to the protagonist and tries to bring them back home, or starts to turn around and be less anxious, thus warming up to their child. They may or may not play a role in helping their child save the day.
there is also another pattern where a duo of a stubborn and overly optimistic person (most of the time) go on a mission to reunite a place that used to be connected been seeing it more often
Well I mean Shrek intentionally copies generic Disney movies Edit: Before someone tries correcting me again - yes, of course Shrek is a parody, that's kinda what I meant but didn't get across too well
No not really sherk 1 is about sherk learning to open up to people that’s the point of the moon scene sherk never opened up to anyone until he met donkey and the Reason he never opened up to anyone was because no one saw him as a person they only saw him as a monster so when sherk first meant donkey he was confused that someone didn’t see him as a beast also all 4 sherk movies have no twist villains but no keep telling yourself that sherk is like every new Disney movie
yeah moana did a twist on the twist villain. It wasnt a good guy that turned out to be bad, but a "bad" guy that was only bad because theyd been wronged by humans, and was getting their rightful revenge, until the wrongs were righted. Genuinly a great arc.
Disney twist villains are ok, but I miss the baddies from earlier movies that were obviously evil right off the get-go (Clayton, Ratigan, Chick Hicks, prince John, Etc.)
There are probably like what... 3 major disney formulas? Got to give the mouse credit for finding ways to continue dressing up the same 3 or 4 ideas for over a decade.
@@TheCorty Tons of movies follow a similar formula(kinda the point of having genres), but dress them up differently to appear unique and give them their own edge. Look at some actors who basically play the same person every movie(Cough cough, Vin Diesel, cough cough, Bruce Willis, cough cough Dwayne Johnson). Sometimes you just gotta stick with what you know.
1:46 Ah, yes, the "I can see that you have changed and it's obvious that your original goal is of no interest to you anymore, but I'm gonna disregard all that and see you using me during the first day of our relationship as a betrayal of our relationship in it's entirety and suddenly refuse to believe you could be a good person although I've seen countless acts of kindness from you during our adventures. You are a fraud, a villain, the false stereotype given to you by society is actually true (and you're gonna act upon it out of spite for 10 minutes before realizing you wanna be good) and I hate you" moment
Hey, Moana didn’t have a twist villain. It was a twist RELATING to the villain. But I still really like these movies, even tho their plots are similar. While I am slowly not liking this new formula, I don’t think it’s a bad one. It’s just repetitive that’s all.
The Disney SERIES formula: Boring kid with boring life finds a new life with other family members and has awesome adventures but then having to leave that life and return to their regular boring lives. Examples: Gravity Falls Amphibia The Owl House
For the cartoon shows, its pretty much just a young child or teen getting stuck in an unfamiliar place (a family members place, a new house, a new dimension, etc;) and goes on adventures in this new enviorment may or may not befriending someone from this new place and the place or person they went in with to get there has a past or bastory to them. Eventually some lore to the new place, then a goal.
Here’s the thing, I don’t think Disney is necessarily running out of ideas - I just think that they’re running out of different ways to make the same plot be perceived as something different and original to try and avoid being a good, creative, and an accepting company who shows good representation in media. I also think that a quick moldable base plot would be a quick and good cash grab for a large movie company.
yeah like they will fight over a small misunderstanding (common one being: one of the main characters hides an insignificant/minor secret from their friend) and then after they had a verbal fight they say shit like "well I guess we aren't really friends" or "I thought we're a team"
@@Relic58 Generally, "twist villain" is used to mean that someone you don't expect to be the villain turns out to be the villain. Though it is a twist _relating_ to the villain, it is effectively the exact inverse of the usual "twist villain" trope as it is commonly understood.
I remember thinking the break-up leading to the last act in Moana felt very tacked on. To the point where he just sort of came back without any perspective on his personal introspection. It's like the movie was straight up admitting "Yeah, you know ths rigamarole."
I honestly felt that with Zootopia. The Anti-Fox Spray served no purpose other than for the 2 to be separated. I love Zootopia but man the 2nd act was so forced.
Same, I thought this would be a "so they're all the SAME and BAD and BORING and disney is running out of ideas!11 !!" (which, granted, one can take away from this) but he never puts it that way, just as an observation/exercise.
I kept flip-flopping between Tangled and Zootopia but this also kind of made me realize that Frozen, of all movies lmao, seems to twist the formula the most. Anna's not exactly forbidden from leaving the castle and her dream is not to have something bigger, but she's simply looking forward to finding someone to connect with; she doesn't set out on adventure to follow a dream (unless we take her dream to reconnect with her sister as such) but to help her kingdom; Kristoff needs some convincing but he doesn't trick her, doesn't make it difficult and they don't really bump heads since they share a common goal; when they do separate, it's not over a disagreement and it's instead because their journey was halted due to Anna's declining health. Finally, the conflict is resolved by Anna alone and her happily ever after comes not exactly by ending with the guy, but by fulfilling her dream of connecting with others AND reconnecting with her sister. I feel like there's something comforting about knowing there's a formula anyway, and no movie is ever executed the same at any rate. Sure, if you dissect it to its barest essentials, you'll get a funny skeleton of basics that could apply to all disney movies, but no journey ever plays the same and no characters react to the situations the same so the soul of each film will always remain unique no matter how "formulaic" we feel Disney movies can be.
Definitely Frozen, Moana, Tangled or Zootopia. This could also describe Beauty and the Beast, The Princess and the Frog and Mulan too. Edit: I'm not saying that the rest of these films follow the formula to an exact tee. I meant that the tropes in the formula could also describe the rest of the films.
Beauty and the Beast and Mulan don't really follow this specific formula so much as they follow a much broader "I want more" story with semi-antagonistic male relationship. Most of the details he mentions are where the tropes become more annoying and part of the trend of the last decade. The other five movies fit the formula almost perfectly while those two fit the ideas in principle but only about half of the details.
@@CharlieQuartz Yea, I said COULD not completely or specific. I agree they don't follow the exact formula but those movies still have similar tropes. It seems like Disney is just taking the similar tropes that worked in the past movies but making it more superficial then copied and pasted it multiple times for the newer ones.
The Emperor's New Groove, A Goofy Movie, and several Pixar films do this too, albeit with a platonic or familial relationship instead of a romantic one. It's also not limited to Disney too, a lot of children's animated films follow this plot structure. Definitely has been around longer than the past 10 years, though.
Is Emperor's New Groove like that? Sure the 2 leads don't like each other at first and split before joining up but none of them are cynical. One is a price who learns not to be a prick and the other guy trying to keep his home safe from the price, both journey start off selfish instead of just 1 and instead both realise and work towards are compromised goal.
This let me thinking, what about dreamworks? Do they was more variety in the plots? And at least this describes a bunch of their movies (tho it doesn’t make them bad) A male character that is an outcast, he wants to be accepted and search’s for the approval of some parental figure, at the beginning he doesn’t have much friends and the people surrounding him doesn’t accept or respect him, until he proves himself to be skillful/useful trough some adventure people around him would became friendly towards him. At the most tension moment, the protagonist would be tempted to surrender but a friend would support him, so he goes with his new friends to the last and more important misión of the movie, where with his new skills and friendships he would find the power to win, and in a way that probably the protagonist didn’t expected from the beginning, he’ll finally had that approval and sense of acceptance he always wanted
@@kathi3093 madagascar was a great movie _because_ of that. Instead of having one main character, it has 4. The girl character actually has a personality that isn’t just a love interest, but that personality doesn’t overshadow or make the boys look stupid/worthless in comparison. They all have the same goal (survive on the island and find help) and despite interpersonal conflicts they still watch out for each other. The BEST part about it is that the “insecure” character(Melman) is NOT BULLIED by the confident, popular character (Marty.) I absolutely hate that trope. Confident people can be nice too 👍 😊
'80s Disney actually didn't have much of a standard formula, which is part of the reason why I like it so much. The early '90s felt kind of the same way (though, perhaps, not to the same extent). It wasn't until the mid-90s that Disney started to get formulaic. Honestly, now that I think about it, the formulaic approach is a relatively recent phenomenon. Walt's movies weren't really all that formulaic, either, in hindsight. The only thing formulaic about some of them (and that's more due to circumstance than anything else) is that they came out as "package" features around the '40s or so.
In my opinion, even though this is a very obvious plotline, its great that they're able to consistently use this formula and keep their movies fresh for everyone to enjoy
I am genuinely surprised this doesn't have more likes and views. I was expecting this video to have about more than a million views considering the high-quality
Oh no. Oh nonononoooo. I've been infected! I wanna be a writer and I have this huge story I wanna bring to life, and a large portion of both my character's interactions are almost exactly explained in this video. To a T. Now I feel extremely conflicted XD
Do it. I can't tell you how many stories I thoroughly enjoyed that had basically the same plot. I dont care if it's a tale as old as time as long as it's well written.
Tropes become tropes for a reason. We have fun pointing out similar waves a lot of stories tread, but we can't act like familiarity is an intrinsic flaw. The CinemaSins school of thought would be to deduct points every time we get a scene we've "seen before", but it's much better to do a predictable story that flows and is well constructed, than to force a left turn just for sake of being different. I suggest checking out OSP's "Trope Talk" series. It's a good source of confidence that tropes aren't a problem; there's just various ways to do them.
@@Mayeur000Donz I love Trope Talk but honestly I think Red just gets it wrong about when certain tropes are objectively problematic. There is almost always a successful way to pull off a trope
Don't forget the "conflict" based entirely on a miscommunication that could be easily solved if anyone would TALK to each other that results in a dramatic tearful exit as a substitute for actual conflict
people didn't realize Disney has a formula? More seriously, this is a good video and the clips were all pretty dang relevant. Good job putting it together like this, very illustrative.
Nice video, it really helps those who are interested in story telling. Sadly some people don't see that having a formula isn't a bad thing by itself, it's how you use it. Hero's journey can be considered a formula that many movies use but each movie still feels different. You can agree or disagree with me but I think even though some Disney movies use this formula, this dosen't mean that the movie is a bad movie. Anyway, as I said, great video! I hope that you make more videos and have success in all of them!
A lot of people in the comments are saying that they fear for Disney and that they need to come up with something new (and I don’t disagree) but I also think that it is very impressive that many of there movies have the same formula yet they use those formulas and come up with different plots for them so that each movie doesn’t feel repetitive and we still can enjoy the movies.
I don't know, I find it repetitive, and I'm annoyed by how Disney tries to "call out" their own formula by having characters like Moana say, "I'm NOT a princess, I'm a chief's daughter!" And then Maui is like, "You sing and have an animal sidekick--princess." Like, that's not funny, that's not "subversive," that's just saying, "We acknowledge it, therefore nobody can criticize us!" It's all boring and performative
I don't enjoy it at all and I guess those people don't either, hence that observation. Clichés and tropes are fine if well executed but they need SOUL for that.
"People like a combination of familiarity and novelty. If everything changes, people don't like it and move to other things. But if nothing changes, people get bored and they move to other things. In the same way, I think it's fascinating to find something that's very close to what you already know but that changes it in one or two interesting ways." Tom Scott, October 11, 2021.
This is a slightly more relationship-based version of the hero’s journey. Most fiction stories can be broken down into it. But it’s how the writers tell the story that makes it unique and/or interesting.
5:22 killed me Rapunzel: “where are you from?” Eugene: “woah,woah,woah. Sorry blondie, I don’t do backstories” *10 minutes later* Eugene: “there was this book-“
I mean... the problem with this is that Anna's parents didn't discourage her going out, while Gothel discouraged Rapunzel going out, but not for her safety. If you had left that part out then it would have been pretty accurate, other than the fact that Anna and Christoff didn't break apart due to a misunderstanding or fight. Edit: Oh boy, a small amount of comment clout! If only that translated into real clout.
You could consider the misinterpretation of what an act of true love is. Or that Kristof despite his own feelings for Anna felt she would never feel the same for him since she has a fiancé and that leaving her at the castle would be for the best. Either way, it’s a somewhat contrive miscommunication.
I'll be honest. At the start of the video, I literally crossed off some Disney movies like Rapunzel (Flynn rarely got on her for adventuring) or Cinderella (her parental figures didn't do it for her own safety nor a song) or Tiana (parental figures who?). Then the montage of growing up rules out a lot of movies. While I see what you're getting at, cut some parts out and the formula is perfect.
These plots are kinda cliche but I enjoy them. Like when the protagonist is in a middle of a fight scene and his ally jumps in and says,"I bet you weren't expecting me here" it's awesome everytime
I don't see anything wrong with this procedure. There is always a skeleton of structure a story shoots off from. A guideline every one follows. It's not necessarily about the structure, but more about what you do with it. You can not only use use tropes and cliches well if you have otherwise developed material, you can use them to your advantage. I think it's more fun and challenging to create unique and engaging ideas within and around an established structure than to avoid it entirely.
Exactly. Many other movies use this formula, but in good movies it feels natural. The steps mentioned in the video can be achieved with logic and realistic actions, in such a way that it doesnt feel forced or formulaic.
this definitively deserve more views I was so sure it was only ''Tangled'' you were talking about...and then,you slowly made me realise it wasn't just ''that''
tiana wasn’t sheltered, she had everything she could’ve wanted and the only parts that can correlate to these plot points are the main lead being a sarcastic masterpiece and the misunderstanding/fight part
You forgot a friend being a villain at the end and a friend who died at the beginning of the movie coming back to save from the old villan who is now a cyborg with minions who you can’t see there face
The saddest thing about all this is that this is a good formula, like, it's the same story but that story is well refined and comes out really good almost every single time. The issue is not storytelling here (if anything this formula is a lesson on good storytelling) but the fact that it's been overused. I want Disney to find something else and I don't even care if it's as good as this formula, I just want something fresh.
I was like tangled but it’s been so long that I seen it I didn’t think the rest of the movies kept the Same formula. But that split apart troupe was always something I knew and predicted.
This is more true of the more recent movies, the older ones are generally based on or are straight up copies of older stories, and are so more archetypal and yet unique.
also, sometimes men with rectangular chins and well kept hair gain the protagonist's trust and try to kill her or harm the characters around her in the end.
You described every single animated movie from my childhood till now. Dang how hollow everything’s become. Its like getting reprints of the same action figure
If you found this video interesting might I interest you in checking out something called "The hero with a thousand faces" Basically the idea is all stories that we tell are basically based on the same formula recycled over and over again.
If you stop to think about it, basically every movie is like that if you change one or two details. Even movies in Pixar, like Up, Bugs life, The incredibles 2 and a few more
I watched this with my husband. I fist said: "Yeah, he's talking about Rapunzel!" Husband says: "No, he's talking about Moana!" At the end of the clip, both of us go: "Oooooooooooh"
Are those claims true? Case 4: The Beauty and the Beast · Sheltered, optimistic girl being trapped at home ✖ » No, bell is free to go, reads and supports her father · She goes onto an adventure ✔ » Yes, after her father disappears in the woods, she tries to find him · She meets a charming but evil guy how claims to help her but wants his own good ✖ » Gaston selflessly wants to save Belles dad. · The male wants to stop the female from acieving her goal by scaring her or making things harder ✔ » Gaston doesn't want Belle to put her live in danger · The female still goes on ✔ » Yes, Belle trades her freedom for the freedom of her dad and stays with the beast · The male sees danger and teatches the female skills ✖ » Gaston sees a danger in the Beast but doesn't teach Belle anything · After not getting along, the male and the femal become friends ✖ » No, Belle and Gaston don't become friends. · The male becomes less interested in his own selfish goals and more into helping the female archive hers ✖ » Gaston becomes selfish and wants to kill the monster even though Belle discovered his lovely side and knows that the prince isn't a threat · Tragic backstory of the male is being told, which brings the two closer together ✔ » The prince once rejected giving help to an old woman who was a fairy in disguise and therefore got turned into a beast · When everything runs smooth they slitt up ✖ » No, Belle and the prince stay together · The female is hopeless and alone, everything feels lost ✔ » Belle doesn't want Gaston to fight the Beast · The male and female work together and the movie ends happily ever after ✔ » Yes, Belle kisses her true love the beast who then turns into a prince
cant forget about the sequal stuff 1st movie introduction of charatcers etc. 2nd the spotlight is put more onto a semi-side character from the lasr movie 3rd movie is where the character realizes they're getting old and need to come to terms with it.
I was like "a version of this plot where the guy is the main character instead of the girl would be really cool and I would like to see that", and then I remembered that Aladdin exists.
Tangled is by far the best of this formula. Something about it feels so much more organic than the other times they've attempted to recycle it. Frozen and Moana in particular make the formula feel so forced. The fact that Moai has a sudden change of heart off-screen is just such lazy writing to me and I didn't buy it at all. It's when the formula really started to outstay its welcome. Zootopia does a really good job with it though, makes it feel fresh because that's only half the focus of the movie, the other half is on the constant visual gags and completely unique world setting, with an ongoing investigation as the main plot. It helps that it's not a musical, makes it stand out a bit more. Also, the themes it covers feel much more mature than their other movies, and I appreciate it.
Wreck-It Ralph is also basically the same thing, but gender-swapped.
I would say Coco aswell, although that's probably one of the ONLY times it's done well. Pretty much Soul too, which has every generic trope in the books.
Raya and the last dragon also fits into this formula. Although not as much as the others.
@@Luminalixy yeah... trolls wasn't made by Disney...
LMAO
@@randomguyontheinternet7940 And pretty much Luca, too.
“You think you know what movie I’m talking about?”
Me: “Yes, *ALL OF THEM”*
I thought of tangled and frozen lol
@@milkman4743 it sounded like a mixture of Inside out and the emoji movie
i mean it doesn't quite fit with the little mermaid but yaknow
They should change somethings in one movie or two, like the male character does not like the female character at all or switch the roles.
@@lemonofcake it only fits many of the movies since 2009 (The Princess and the Frog)
Princess and the Frog had a nice twist on this narrative. While it had the street-smart rebel boy, Tiana's arc was pretty much a total reversal of most common Disney princesses. She wants "Something More", but learns that trying to get that "Something More" is ignoring all the good she already has. This is why it's my favorite Disney movie.
That is really poignant, thank you. ☺️
no wonder why it is my favorite disney movie
I liked Princess and the Frog because of all the culture in the movie, but I do think that Tiana is a nice protagonist. Prince Naveen was the perfect prince for her because he’s spoiled and she’s responsible .😂😂
Unfortunately people don't really talk about this movie.
Princess and the frog is the genesis of the formula
And there's always a cute/funny figure/sidekick who's whole reason to exist is to make the movie funny.
Also for merchandising and maybe a spinoff short
@@charliefields6801 you forgot how the comic relief is either a 7 foot pudgy white guy, or a 4 foot black sounding horse
@@charliefields6801 *cough, cough* Olaf *cough, cough*
I believe is term is "Cloudcuckoolander" in case you were curious
“Funny”
Everyone else: *tragic story*
Eugene: there was this book-
He was an orphan, that's tragic.
It elaborates on his story a bit more in Tangled: The Series, though it's still not super tragic. He does get much more depth though.
It makes him more adorable than most characters in his narrative role, which I love. Being inspired by a book is also relatable to the sheltered protagonist. Makes their relationship more believable, but I wish there'd been a thing where they'd both read the same book and could spend a little time nerding out about it
The book traumatized him
@@wertbe1718 i wonder what kind of book has the capability to traumatize someone
At first I was like "oh yeah, this is definitely tangled" and then I realized
realized what? (I’m genuinely curious)
I was thinking the same thing
Frozen was like "ok you get one" then Zootopia was like "mf okay 2 you get two" then Moana came in and was like "I was definitely thinking about but wasn't gonna say it"
I thought of Tangled, Moana, Frozen, but then I realized it IS in fact all of the movies
My first thought was Moana
Kristoff didn’t have a tragic backstory. Unless being adopted by trolls is one.
You could say he had a rocky childhood...
I literally can not think of anything worse then being within 10 meters of those things, let alone being raised by them.
Trolls who just wanna have fun with colored hairs and pooping glitter and cakes and singing every single time doesn't seems too non tragic to me
It definitely is, imagine living your whole childhood raised by a bunch of moss boulders and fungi lmao
The trolls are annoying as fuck so I consider it tragic
Ah yes, the Traumatic Backstory™, a classic
Ok blackbox from team fotress 2
Don't you point at me!
...his ice-cream fell of the cone, this is enough to become a villain. I'm surprised he became a .. good guy..?
@@the1bredman You shouldn't even be talking
A tyrant took contact of an entire city all because he lost his choochoo train
@@Anon_Amos. That is acceptable 🙂
but, I believe he took over 3 states?
Choochoo 🚂
“The Magic of Disney” - _REPETITION, REPETITION, REPETITION_
And also milking every penny
“The secret to a life well-lived is routine and hoarding money.”
-Mickey mouse 1991
Ever since Walt Disney died, it's no longer magic
@@GreenFoxLuama more like after 2016ish or 2010s, look at all the movies from the 1990s and 80s. You cant say the little mermaid and beaty and the beast qerent magical
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
"So, you know what movie I am talking"
Absolutely Tangled
The movie:
TangledFrozenZootopiaMoana
The melt tangled to moatopia
Almost every post-2000s Disney movie out there.
But the ending of Frozen and Elsa's story was ignored here.
@@Isokatmydydecsf miitopia
@@demdem7946 I love that game
That why I'm worried for other Disney movies, because it sounds like every Disney movies this decade.
Past two decades I'd argue,
@@randomguyontheinternet7940 true, the 2000s had some of these but not this bad or blatant.
Except, for Big Hero 6
There's Coco, released in 2017.
Not Particularly. This is only Little Mermaid, Tangled, and Moana. When Walt Disney was alive they often tried new things with each movie and they only made 3 Princess movies. In the 90s they really started cranking them out.
I think I’ve just discovered why people ship Judy and Nick. The plot to their movie is literally a mirror image of tangled, which is a love story on purpose. No wonder we’re all speculative and confused when the writers insist they’re not in love. They’re not, guys! We didn’t write it that way! Honest!
That movie was clearly intended for furries, of course they’re going to ship the thick rabbit with the attractive fox.
Disney knew what they were doing. Furries are regular customers of theirs
How's it any more of a mirror image than the rest of the movies listed in the disney formula? Rapunzel wasn't motivated to go outside by a sense of justice iirc, and for Judy it isn't a single person holding her back, but a species-ist system.
In the case of Judy and Nick, there's a few rivals-to-lovers tropes that create chemistry between them. A cynical and confident character (hereby named Nick for short) that can initially run circles or trick the plucky protagonist (hereby Judy), but is impressed by their perseverence. The sass from Nick toes the line between patronizing and flirtatious... when Judy goes out of her way to prove herself worthy of respect, it can seem more personal because that much effort in a response gives the partially flirtatious comment attention.... especially since proving that to the world is Judy's goal in the first place, and even more so when Judy adds icing to the cake by flipping and sending the patronizing/flirtatious comment back to Nick. Banter is the stuff of close friends and people hitting on eachother. So when two characters start doing that as strangers, and form a close bond that's going hand in hand with their character arcs? There's usually a romantic theme there.
@@hobomike6935 no, it was not
Nick and Judy are friends like Moana and Maui are friends. Why can't people just let that be??
You can say you love someone and not be in love with them. You can say you love your friends.
@@sadespain2339 because
This is more of the modern formula. And it's most obvious is tangled. It's done pretty well there.
Tangled and Moana
tbf Tangled is kinda the one that started it.
the others he mentioned (along with The Princess and the Frog) only loosely follow the formula but the text is 100% Tangled
@@CharlieQuartz I think princess and the frog turns it into its own thing. Tiana isnt the naive one, Prince Naveen is. And while it is a movie partly about a journey, the whole movie isn’t about it.
@@sketchycat6223 Ooo that’s interesting. So from one way of thinking, TPatP is the Disney Formula from the point of view of the gender-swapped “male” character
Honestly, the best Disney movies are the ones that loosely follow the same formula but change a few important details, just enough to surprise the audience and point the story in a slightly different direction.
For instance, Mulan follows most of the same story beats, but it diverges in some important areas. Mulan joins the army because if she didn’t, her aging, wounded father would have been conscripted (so her motivations differ from the Disney norm). Mulan is forced to become a strong, elite soldier because her life is on the line, not because she has any real desire to pursue this grand adventure she’s on. The male co-lead is a disgraced guardian dragon who breaks the standard archetype for a Disney male co-lead (he’s goofy, ride or die, and never splits from Mulan at any point in the story; that being said, the captain partly fills the place of a stereotypical male co-lead). Her being discovered as a woman falls right into the formula, but her split from the group plays out much better than in other movies because of the tension leading into that moment (she spends most of the movie avoiding that very scenario, and there are close calls leading up to that moment, so the audience expects it to happen at some point). It doesn’t just happen out of nowhere. Speaking of “happening out of nowhere”, there is no twist villain in Mulan, which is a blessing in hindsight.
That's why I love Mulan
mulan is just that great tbh
I cannot believe you just called mushu her male co-lead
That is the OG Mulan, the one people will never see
@@madeniquevanwyk He was male, and given focus while being by her side. Funny, but not his only purpose. Calling that prince captain guy(don't remember his name) the male lead would be overexaggerating considering that Mushu was there.
This is something I also realised recently, Disney really needs to try some more original story telling and not just that same formula.
Encanto seems to be averting this.
Why would they, when they keep making mad cash from this overused formula
Me thinks the writers at the top like having job security
I like this formula, it's like sayng that all marvel movies are the same
It has an overrarching story with, even if the formula is the same, all of his original tropes (but yes, it should be a bit more articulated in the GENERAL formula)
something like Atlantis the lost empire maybe?
And don't forget the trope that the parent of the main protagonist is so hard and overbearing on them is because their SO either died due to a disease or an accident, thus making the parent more cautious and anxious, causing them to be overprotective of their child.
At the midpoint of the movie, the parent either catches up to the protagonist and tries to bring them back home, or starts to turn around and be less anxious, thus warming up to their child.
They may or may not play a role in helping their child save the day.
Ariel be like
there is also another pattern where a duo of a stubborn and overly optimistic person (most of the time) go on a mission to reunite a place that used to be connected
been seeing it more often
@@phlippedfilosophy9047 Trolls World Tour, Raya and the Last Dragon
@@corallite. You're also forgetting inside out.
@@inspirationwithnoexpiratio629 ye I think that fits too
New MLP movie
Subversion of this would be Klaus, in it a cynical and slefish person goes to reunite a constantly warring place
I'd like to believe this started with Enchanted. Back when it was a light hearted parody.
OH MY GOD IT DID
Ngl I had Shrek running through my mind. Not even a Disney movie but same formula.
Well I mean Shrek intentionally copies generic Disney movies
Edit: Before someone tries correcting me again - yes, of course Shrek is a parody, that's kinda what I meant but didn't get across too well
@@ellies_silly_zoo unfortunately this revelation doesn’t really change me feeling that it’s really not as great as everyone makes it out to be
@@jbbajangamer I agree. Shrek has meme value, but as a movie it's not really good
@@ellies_silly_zoo *not copies; parodies. Important difference.
No not really sherk 1 is about sherk learning to open up to people that’s the point of the moon scene sherk never opened up to anyone until he met donkey and the Reason he never opened up to anyone was because no one saw him as a person they only saw him as a monster so when sherk first meant donkey he was confused that someone didn’t see him as a beast also all 4 sherk movies have no twist villains but no keep telling yourself that sherk is like every new Disney movie
I liked Moana's twist "villain." It actually kind of made sense and it advanced the plot in a well thought out way
yeah moana did a twist on the twist villain. It wasnt a good guy that turned out to be bad, but a "bad" guy that was only bad because theyd been wronged by humans, and was getting their rightful revenge, until the wrongs were righted. Genuinly a great arc.
It was kind of a twist good guy
Disney twist villains are ok, but I miss the baddies from earlier movies that were obviously evil right off the get-go (Clayton, Ratigan, Chick Hicks, prince John, Etc.)
There are probably like what... 3 major disney formulas? Got to give the mouse credit for finding ways to continue dressing up the same 3 or 4 ideas for over a decade.
3?
No, no no, trust me, there are more Disney movies out there that use the formula than you THINK.
Its a common thing for a story to follow some pattern. Btw, calling it as "Disney formula" sounds wrong idk why :/
@@valhatan3907 Doesn't sound wrong to me
@@TheCorty Tons of movies follow a similar formula(kinda the point of having genres), but dress them up differently to appear unique and give them their own edge.
Look at some actors who basically play the same person every movie(Cough cough, Vin Diesel, cough cough, Bruce Willis, cough cough Dwayne Johnson). Sometimes you just gotta stick with what you know.
1:46
Ah, yes, the "I can see that you have changed and it's obvious that your original goal is of no interest to you anymore, but I'm gonna disregard all that and see you using me during the first day of our relationship as a betrayal of our relationship in it's entirety and suddenly refuse to believe you could be a good person although I've seen countless acts of kindness from you during our adventures. You are a fraud, a villain, the false stereotype given to you by society is actually true (and you're gonna act upon it out of spite for 10 minutes before realizing you wanna be good) and I hate you" moment
This comment is so underrated wtf
very good point, what examples were you thinking of?
@@peeblekitty5780 Klaus, in particular. It was extremely good overall but that one moment just made my die inside a little
Oh man I HATE SO MUCH WHEN THIS HAPPENS OMFG
in other words, "the selfish person declaring the other one as selfish for no good reason"
Hey, Moana didn’t have a twist villain. It was a twist RELATING to the villain. But I still really like these movies, even tho their plots are similar. While I am slowly not liking this new formula, I don’t think it’s a bad one. It’s just repetitive that’s all.
okay schafrillas >:)
@@thesuppleone4944 lol, funny man
I agree. It's indeed a little repetitive, but I love this formula, and don't mind it at all 🥰🥰🥰
@Bonnalina Fuzbunny Raya and the Last Dragon was such a good movie tbh
@@Istromus most people seem to think it's only just okay. Then again, I haven't seen it, but it looks Charming.
The Disney SERIES formula: Boring kid with boring life finds a new life with other family members and has awesome adventures but then having to leave that life and return to their regular boring lives.
Examples:
Gravity Falls
Amphibia
The Owl House
In other words, a way for Alex Hirsch to flex on us with his vocal talents
Ducktales too
@@Wyrmington dude is basically the whole cast
@@afilmbee call me a madman but ive never seen ducktales
Ah yes, two isekai cartoons and that one show with a triangle guy who got a cameo on the simpsons for a few seconds
"If it doesn't make us broke, don't fix it."
I can totally hear this coming from Disney.
Raya and the last dragon changes it
Do people talk about that one?
@@isaacgaleao This video was made ~7.5 months before that movie was released.
@@mousermind actually after this video I watched some reviews and realized that movie isn't actually good so forget what I just said lol
Considering Disney basically owns the world now, this is pretty accurate.
For the cartoon shows, its pretty much just a young child or teen getting stuck in an unfamiliar place (a family members place, a new house, a new dimension, etc;) and goes on adventures in this new enviorment may or may not befriending someone from this new place and the place or person they went in with to get there has a past or bastory to them. Eventually some lore to the new place, then a goal.
Here’s the thing, I don’t think Disney is necessarily running out of ideas - I just think that they’re running out of different ways to make the same plot be perceived as something different and original to try and avoid being a good, creative, and an accepting company who shows good representation in media. I also think that a quick moldable base plot would be a quick and good cash grab for a large movie company.
Oh… well this definitely deserves more likes
But I don't wanna heck up the 169~
6 more and you've summoned the devil STOP
/j
*uses this as proof as to why* The Owl House *fits the Disney brand, changing the male character to another female character*
this
@@nicoleflores2054 that
@@katiaferreira1573 Knick knack paddy wack
But they didn't change anything. IT WAS A GIRL TO BEGIN WITH
@@pochita6158 no I meant, the jaded male character is female in toh. Amity
There's always this one scene where the main characters fight each other. It's so annoying
yeah like they will fight over a small misunderstanding (common one being: one of the main characters hides an insignificant/minor secret from their friend) and then after they had a verbal fight they say shit like "well I guess we aren't really friends" or "I thought we're a team"
@@heterocaine9061 eats a crouton off the other's salad. "Ah, Fuck. I can't believe you've done this"
luca.
it's always to either create forced drama or because the story needs to be interesting.
tangled is the only one with a not-that-anoying and justified misunderstanding ngl
I AM UNREASONABLY HAPPY THAT TANGLED IS THE FIRST MOVIE REPRESENTED BECAUSE THATS WHAT I GUESSED!
Technically, the lava monster from Moana isn’t a twist villain?
More like a reverse reverse twist villain who just turned out to be a good guy just under dark influence.
She's a twist damsel in distress
nah, it is still a twist villain. The twist is that it isn't a villain in the first place. that still counts as a twist.
@@Relic58 Generally, "twist villain" is used to mean that someone you don't expect to be the villain turns out to be the villain. Though it is a twist _relating_ to the villain, it is effectively the exact inverse of the usual "twist villain" trope as it is commonly understood.
I remember thinking the break-up leading to the last act in Moana felt very tacked on. To the point where he just sort of came back without any perspective on his personal introspection.
It's like the movie was straight up admitting "Yeah, you know ths rigamarole."
I honestly felt that with Zootopia. The Anti-Fox Spray served no purpose other than for the 2 to be separated. I love Zootopia but man the 2nd act was so forced.
I like how at first it just shows one or two and then it starts cycling more and more as it goes on
Disney movie plotlines have always been generic. It's the uniqueness of the characters and the world that make the movie interesting. Also, the songs.
I would like to leave this comment as a foretelling of the algorithm which will soon propel this video to a status of godhood
The algorithm works in mysterious ways...
this is likely accurate, as I have received this video via my recommendations from youtube.
The prophet have cometh
We're at 21K views... Will blow up any time now...
@@gavinthecrafter 73k 1 day later
I appreciate that this is just a rundown of the formula and doesn’t include any strong opinions like critiquing or praise.
Same, I thought this would be a "so they're all the SAME and BAD and BORING and disney is running out of ideas!11 !!" (which, granted, one can take away from this) but he never puts it that way, just as an observation/exercise.
Wanna-be Disney movie script writers: “Patrick write that down! Write that down!”
I kept flip-flopping between Tangled and Zootopia but this also kind of made me realize that Frozen, of all movies lmao, seems to twist the formula the most. Anna's not exactly forbidden from leaving the castle and her dream is not to have something bigger, but she's simply looking forward to finding someone to connect with; she doesn't set out on adventure to follow a dream (unless we take her dream to reconnect with her sister as such) but to help her kingdom; Kristoff needs some convincing but he doesn't trick her, doesn't make it difficult and they don't really bump heads since they share a common goal; when they do separate, it's not over a disagreement and it's instead because their journey was halted due to Anna's declining health. Finally, the conflict is resolved by Anna alone and her happily ever after comes not exactly by ending with the guy, but by fulfilling her dream of connecting with others AND reconnecting with her sister.
I feel like there's something comforting about knowing there's a formula anyway, and no movie is ever executed the same at any rate. Sure, if you dissect it to its barest essentials, you'll get a funny skeleton of basics that could apply to all disney movies, but no journey ever plays the same and no characters react to the situations the same so the soul of each film will always remain unique no matter how "formulaic" we feel Disney movies can be.
Definitely Frozen, Moana, Tangled or Zootopia. This could also describe Beauty and the Beast, The Princess and the Frog and Mulan too.
Edit: I'm not saying that the rest of these films follow the formula to an exact tee. I meant that the tropes in the formula could also describe the rest of the films.
Also Navine doesn’t have street smarts and Tiana, is the one who teach Navine
I mean, not exactly but some elements are there
Beauty and the Beast and Mulan don't really follow this specific formula so much as they follow a much broader "I want more" story with semi-antagonistic male relationship. Most of the details he mentions are where the tropes become more annoying and part of the trend of the last decade. The other five movies fit the formula almost perfectly while those two fit the ideas in principle but only about half of the details.
@@CharlieQuartz Yea, I said COULD not completely or specific. I agree they don't follow the exact formula but those movies still have similar tropes. It seems like Disney is just taking the similar tropes that worked in the past movies but making it more superficial then copied and pasted it multiple times for the newer ones.
@@roa3432 agreed
The Emperor's New Groove, A Goofy Movie, and several Pixar films do this too, albeit with a platonic or familial relationship instead of a romantic one. It's also not limited to Disney too, a lot of children's animated films follow this plot structure. Definitely has been around longer than the past 10 years, though.
Is Emperor's New Groove like that? Sure the 2 leads don't like each other at first and split before joining up but none of them are cynical. One is a price who learns not to be a prick and the other guy trying to keep his home safe from the price, both journey start off selfish instead of just 1 and instead both realise and work towards are compromised goal.
Really ironic that these Disney movies made fun of themselves (mostly the older films pre-2010s) for being formulaic, and yet here we are...
This let me thinking, what about dreamworks? Do they was more variety in the plots? And at least this describes a bunch of their movies (tho it doesn’t make them bad)
A male character that is an outcast, he wants to be accepted and search’s for the approval of some parental figure, at the beginning he doesn’t have much friends and the people surrounding him doesn’t accept or respect him, until he proves himself to be skillful/useful trough some adventure people around him would became friendly towards him. At the most tension moment, the protagonist would be tempted to surrender but a friend would support him, so he goes with his new friends to the last and more important misión of the movie, where with his new skills and friendships he would find the power to win, and in a way that probably the protagonist didn’t expected from the beginning, he’ll finally had that approval and sense of acceptance he always wanted
How To Train Your Dragon! Still an amazing movie, but for me this outline is very visible in it
@@anvitron yeah, and Kung fu panda, and the rise of the guardians, and maybe even Shrek
But it does not fit for madagaskar
Not DreamWorks, but I kinda thought of Bug's Life.
@@kathi3093 madagascar was a great movie _because_ of that.
Instead of having one main character, it has 4. The girl character actually has a personality that isn’t just a love interest, but that personality doesn’t overshadow or make the boys look stupid/worthless in comparison.
They all have the same goal (survive on the island and find help) and despite interpersonal conflicts they still watch out for each other.
The BEST part about it is that the “insecure” character(Melman) is NOT BULLIED by the confident, popular character (Marty.) I absolutely hate that trope. Confident people can be nice too 👍 😊
I wonder what 2020s trope is going to be looking back at it every decade has a formula
Shitty live action movies
“The REAL villain is the doubt inside your mind!” and everyone goes their separate ways.
'80s Disney actually didn't have much of a standard formula, which is part of the reason why I like it so much. The early '90s felt kind of the same way (though, perhaps, not to the same extent). It wasn't until the mid-90s that Disney started to get formulaic. Honestly, now that I think about it, the formulaic approach is a relatively recent phenomenon. Walt's movies weren't really all that formulaic, either, in hindsight. The only thing formulaic about some of them (and that's more due to circumstance than anything else) is that they came out as "package" features around the '40s or so.
In my opinion, even though this is a very obvious plotline, its great that they're able to consistently use this formula and keep their movies fresh for everyone to enjoy
I am genuinely surprised this doesn't have more likes and views. I was expecting this video to have about more than a million views considering the high-quality
There is a hair in your profile picc
@@chonflis3834 >:)
"Except for Tangled,Mother Gothel is awesome."
Give this guy more subs.
Oh no. Oh nonononoooo. I've been infected!
I wanna be a writer and I have this huge story I wanna bring to life, and a large portion of both my character's interactions are almost exactly explained in this video. To a T. Now I feel extremely conflicted XD
Make it anyways, It worked for Disney, might work for you
Do it. I can't tell you how many stories I thoroughly enjoyed that had basically the same plot. I dont care if it's a tale as old as time as long as it's well written.
Tropes become tropes for a reason.
We have fun pointing out similar waves a lot of stories tread, but we can't act like familiarity is an intrinsic flaw.
The CinemaSins school of thought would be to deduct points every time we get a scene we've "seen before", but it's much better to do a predictable story that flows and is well constructed, than to force a left turn just for sake of being different.
I suggest checking out OSP's "Trope Talk" series. It's a good source of confidence that tropes aren't a problem; there's just various ways to do them.
Ay thanks for the recommendation :3.
@@Mayeur000Donz I love Trope Talk but honestly I think Red just gets it wrong about when certain tropes are objectively problematic. There is almost always a successful way to pull off a trope
Already expecting the "Random Twist Villain That Should Not Exist™"
Don't forget the "conflict" based entirely on a miscommunication that could be easily solved if anyone would TALK to each other that results in a dramatic tearful exit as a substitute for actual conflict
people didn't realize Disney has a formula?
More seriously, this is a good video and the clips were all pretty dang relevant. Good job putting it together like this, very illustrative.
Also the princess and the frog pretty much works here
Nice video, it really helps those who are interested in story telling.
Sadly some people don't see that having a formula isn't a bad thing by itself, it's how you use it.
Hero's journey can be considered a formula that many movies use but each movie still feels different. You can agree or disagree with me but I think even though some Disney movies use this formula, this dosen't mean that the movie is a bad movie.
Anyway, as I said, great video! I hope that you make more videos and have success in all of them!
A lot of people in the comments are saying that they fear for Disney and that they need to come up with something new (and I don’t disagree) but I also think that it is very impressive that many of there movies have the same formula yet they use those formulas and come up with different plots for them so that each movie doesn’t feel repetitive and we still can enjoy the movies.
Fair point. They’ve managed to make cliches work several times over and still have an enjoyable movie that’s worth a rewatch every now and again
Best comment ever. You are a true Disney Fan😭
I don't know, I find it repetitive, and I'm annoyed by how Disney tries to "call out" their own formula by having characters like Moana say, "I'm NOT a princess, I'm a chief's daughter!" And then Maui is like, "You sing and have an animal sidekick--princess." Like, that's not funny, that's not "subversive," that's just saying, "We acknowledge it, therefore nobody can criticize us!"
It's all boring and performative
I don't enjoy it at all and I guess those people don't either, hence that observation. Clichés and tropes are fine if well executed but they need SOUL for that.
"People like a combination of familiarity and novelty. If everything changes, people don't like it and move to other things. But if nothing changes, people get bored and they move to other things. In the same way, I think it's fascinating to find something that's very close to what you already know but that changes it in one or two interesting ways." Tom Scott, October 11, 2021.
This is a slightly more relationship-based version of the hero’s journey. Most fiction stories can be broken down into it. But it’s how the writers tell the story that makes it unique and/or interesting.
5:22 killed me
Rapunzel: “where are you from?”
Eugene: “woah,woah,woah. Sorry blondie, I don’t do backstories”
*10 minutes later*
Eugene: “there was this book-“
I mean... the problem with this is that Anna's parents didn't discourage her going out, while Gothel discouraged Rapunzel going out, but not for her safety. If you had left that part out then it would have been pretty accurate, other than the fact that Anna and Christoff didn't break apart due to a misunderstanding or fight.
Edit: Oh boy, a small amount of comment clout! If only that translated into real clout.
Moana’s parents didn’t want her to go beyond the horizon or whatever. And Judy was being discouraged by the public.
You could consider the misinterpretation of what an act of true love is. Or that Kristof despite his own feelings for Anna felt she would never feel the same for him since she has a fiancé and that leaving her at the castle would be for the best. Either way, it’s a somewhat contrive miscommunication.
Or if it translated into real money
I'll be honest. At the start of the video, I literally crossed off some Disney movies like Rapunzel (Flynn rarely got on her for adventuring) or Cinderella (her parental figures didn't do it for her own safety nor a song) or Tiana (parental figures who?). Then the montage of growing up rules out a lot of movies. While I see what you're getting at, cut some parts out and the formula is perfect.
These plots are kinda cliche but I enjoy them. Like when the protagonist is in a middle of a fight scene and his ally jumps in and says,"I bet you weren't expecting me here" it's awesome everytime
And don't forget how there's usually a dead mother and a protective/strict father in a Disney movie.
I don't see anything wrong with this procedure. There is always a skeleton of structure a story shoots off from. A guideline every one follows. It's not necessarily about the structure, but more about what you do with it. You can not only use use tropes and cliches well if you have otherwise developed material, you can use them to your advantage. I think it's more fun and challenging to create unique and engaging ideas within and around an established structure than to avoid it entirely.
Cliches work if the movie has good characters.
Can’t say that for some of these newer movies though
Exactly. Many other movies use this formula, but in good movies it feels natural. The steps mentioned in the video can be achieved with logic and realistic actions, in such a way that it doesnt feel forced or formulaic.
Yes, unfortunaly some people care more about the movie not being cliche and subverting the audience expectations than the movie being actually good
this definitively deserve more views
I was so sure it was only ''Tangled'' you were talking about...and then,you slowly made me realise it wasn't just ''that''
this is going to blow up, amazing video! :)
Thank you! Surprised to see it suddenly getting traction after a year.
"Wow! I can't find a flaw in his argument."
Kinda surprised Princess and the Frog wasn't showed here since it hit a ton of those story beats pretty well imo
I know, right?! Maybe it wasn't here because it was the first (and second best, in my opinion) of those.
tiana wasn’t sheltered, she had everything she could’ve wanted and the only parts that can correlate to these plot points are the main lead being a sarcastic masterpiece and the misunderstanding/fight part
As he first described the formula, I immediately thought about Tangled and Moana. I was surprised by Zootopia.
How is this 1 year old and so underrated
Great video, strongly agreed and liked it
I never realize how different yet similar these Disney films are
You forgot a friend being a villain at the end and a friend who died at the beginning of the movie coming back to save from the old villan who is now a cyborg with minions who you can’t see there face
He did mention it at 6:07
wreck it ralph also loosely follows this story
this is a really good video.. im surprised it has not alot of views! you did a great job
The saddest thing about all this is that this is a good formula, like, it's the same story but that story is well refined and comes out really good almost every single time.
The issue is not storytelling here (if anything this formula is a lesson on good storytelling) but the fact that it's been overused. I want Disney to find something else and I don't even care if it's as good as this formula, I just want something fresh.
I was like tangled but it’s been so long that I seen it I didn’t think the rest of the movies kept the Same formula. But that split apart troupe was always something I knew and predicted.
This is more true of the more recent movies, the older ones are generally based on or are straight up copies of older stories, and are so more archetypal and yet unique.
4:22 "they make a good team"
he says as maui proceeds to chuck moana off the boat
also, sometimes men with rectangular chins and well kept hair gain the protagonist's trust and try to kill her or harm the characters around her in the end.
2 year anniversary of this video is tomorrow
commenting to bless your underrated video with the gods of the algorithm
i can tell this one's gonna blow up
You described every single animated movie from my childhood till now. Dang how hollow everything’s become. Its like getting reprints of the same action figure
If you found this video interesting might I interest you in checking out something called "The hero with a thousand faces" Basically the idea is all stories that we tell are basically based on the same formula recycled over and over again.
But the details is what make each story special and unique 💖 (but you got a point, even though some things does'nt really fit this formula)
This is why Wall-E is the best Disney movie and we need a goddamn sequel.
For me he didn't need a sequel.
It's already a perfect movie, doesn't need any additions
You had me in the first part, ngl
I mean wall-e is Pixar.
@@evilded2 its owned by disney
I'm so happy this video ended up in my recommended! You just gained a new subscriber! Keep up the good work!
If you stop to think about it, basically every movie is like that if you change one or two details. Even movies in Pixar, like Up, Bugs life, The incredibles 2 and a few more
That's what makes movies like "Aladdin", "Brave", or "the Lion King" great - they're something different.
Well, I only guessed one of them. Tangled. But that was included on the list, so I’ll still give myself a pat on the back.
Dude your entire MLP show and fandom is filled with these tropes
At first I was all like: “Okay this definitely applies to Tangled and Frozen.” But then they showed Zootopia and Moana and those two fit so well too 🤯
I was like "Wow, that's the plot of Luca"
and then I realized this was made a year ago
Hmmmmm
I watched this with my husband. I fist said: "Yeah, he's talking about Rapunzel!" Husband says: "No, he's talking about Moana!" At the end of the clip, both of us go: "Oooooooooooh"
It isn't just Disney. This is the plot of most western animation nowadays, with some variation depending on the film
Are those claims true?
Case 4: The Beauty and the Beast
· Sheltered, optimistic girl being trapped at home ✖
» No, bell is free to go, reads and supports her father
· She goes onto an adventure ✔
» Yes, after her father disappears in the woods, she tries to find him
· She meets a charming but evil guy how claims to help her but wants his own good ✖
» Gaston selflessly wants to save Belles dad.
· The male wants to stop the female from acieving her goal by scaring her or making things harder ✔
» Gaston doesn't want Belle to put her live in danger
· The female still goes on ✔
» Yes, Belle trades her freedom for the freedom of her dad and stays with the beast
· The male sees danger and teatches the female skills ✖
» Gaston sees a danger in the Beast but doesn't teach Belle anything
· After not getting along, the male and the femal become friends ✖
» No, Belle and Gaston don't become friends.
· The male becomes less interested in his own selfish goals and more into helping the female archive hers ✖
» Gaston becomes selfish and wants to kill the monster even though Belle discovered his lovely side and knows that the prince isn't a threat
· Tragic backstory of the male is being told, which brings the two closer together ✔
» The prince once rejected giving help to an old woman who was a fairy in disguise and therefore got turned into a beast
· When everything runs smooth they slitt up ✖
» No, Belle and the prince stay together
· The female is hopeless and alone, everything feels lost ✔
» Belle doesn't want Gaston to fight the Beast
· The male and female work together and the movie ends happily ever after ✔
» Yes, Belle kisses her true love the beast who then turns into a prince
this should have more views tbh
This is so well-constructed. Good work. This was really fun to watch
cant forget about the sequal stuff
1st movie introduction of charatcers etc.
2nd the spotlight is put more onto a semi-side character from the lasr movie
3rd movie is where the character realizes they're getting old and need to come to terms with it.
I was like "a version of this plot where the guy is the main character instead of the girl would be really cool and I would like to see that", and then I remembered that Aladdin exists.
Tangled is by far the best of this formula. Something about it feels so much more organic than the other times they've attempted to recycle it. Frozen and Moana in particular make the formula feel so forced. The fact that Moai has a sudden change of heart off-screen is just such lazy writing to me and I didn't buy it at all. It's when the formula really started to outstay its welcome. Zootopia does a really good job with it though, makes it feel fresh because that's only half the focus of the movie, the other half is on the constant visual gags and completely unique world setting, with an ongoing investigation as the main plot. It helps that it's not a musical, makes it stand out a bit more. Also, the themes it covers feel much more mature than their other movies, and I appreciate it.
When I saw this video I thought your channel had 441k subs not 441 subs. Continue the good work.
Gotta admit tho, that editing is too good