Trust me, i've been practicing Silat atleast 7 years. My Master/Guru said to me "Losing the fight = Dead, Winning the fight = Jailed". Then who is actually WINNING?. my Guru said, "The one who AVOID the Fight". We can't compare any martial arts to another, and decide which one is better. Those who practice harder are the winner!
actually silat is like aikido, kalari payatu and traditional kung fu. its not for sport at all. the art is for war. deadly. real fight is not like sport. making silat one of sport martial art is humiliated this art.
I dont know why they call this Silat. didnt see any solid silat moves just more of a UFC thing. does this mean that silat is not really applicable in a real situation since silat also do not practice their techniques againts a full resisting opponent.
+philip lajom My point of view is that silat is more of a quick dispatch of an opponent, moves are design to end it very quick whether its through breaking a joint or some other means. If you look at MAUL his silats expertise are very quick ways of ending a fight applicable in a real situation as he teaches its to profesional law enforcement.
its the most efficient structurr for a 1v1 striking competition.it does always turn in to a kicmboxing match, because kickboxing is what works best to knock the other guy out quickly. and once you allow grappling youre also going to get things that look like bjj, wrestling, and judo- because those styles spent the most time actually fighting, they spent the most time developing techniques and strategies that work in a real fight.
Haragei Lucid I would just be cautious in what we're qualifying as a "real fight." I think we're quick to set MMA competition as the standard of realism. But we should remember that it's actually uncommon to face an opponent of near-equal size in a controlled, 1v1 environment - with rules guaranteeing your safety (relatively). That just doesn't happen outside of competition. In uncontrolled environments, it's more than likely that you'll be dealing with an opponent much larger than yourself, potentially armed, and possibly toting an entourage of friends equally interested in bashing your skull in. That's the sort of environment that arts like silat are designed for. Yeah, for 1v1 win an opponent of equal size, kickboxing is a superior structure. But it's lateral if not linear footwork and overly committal high kicks might not be best for multiple attackers, armed attackers, or unlevel terrain. Similar deal with BJJ - great for dealing with one opponent. Not so great for dealing with more than one attacker or armed attackers. There's also a reason that MMA, kickboxing, and BJJ has weight classes. Because those arts are trained for the ideal conditions I mentioned above...equal size, rules for safety, etc. If you compare BJJ grappling with Silat grappling, you'll notice that each art is a product of its environment. BJJ is all leverage based - used to move, off-balance, and control an opponent of similar size. Silat, on the other hand, utilizes a combination of leverage and pain compliance. Pain is used to encourage the desired movement in physically stronger opponents: attack their weakness to compromise their structure. An example of this can be seen in some of the Tarik Kepala variations - where Silat practitioners strike the kidneys to elicit a jerking motion in the opponent's back, while simultaneously manipulating the opponent's head as a leverage point. The jerking motion from the kidney strike compromises the opponent's structure, and the head manipulation capitalizes on that. Both arts - BJJ and Silat are totally valid...they're just products of their environments. They work where they were designed to work.
Eric Arroyo: sorry for the lare reply. I like what you said and i think we can have a decent exchange of input. To address your points... ..... 1) i think MMA is the best standard for realism that we have, for the simple reason that MMA is real fighting, with about the least restrictive set of rules that a legally sanctioned professional sporting event is going to get.. ... 2) well youre actually doing the same sort of prejudging yourself: plenty of fights are one on one vs someone relatively close to your weight class. I personally would say if you cant even beat one guy thats about your size then youre definitely not going to beat multiple people, or people much more powerful, or armed attackers... actually id say its unrealistic to think youll win against those odds regardless of what you train and id say that the real techniques for handling those situations are awareness, good social skill, and intelligent assertiveness... i will definitely concede that ground fighting is not the proper way to fight more than one or at most two people... .... 3) id like to not be focused specifically on bjj but rather to say "grappling" .. its true that grappling is based on leverage but thats not quite the best way to understand its power.. submission grappling is a highly developed set of step by step procedures for controlling, and if necessry, destroying the human body.. take them down, control them, dominate the position, secure the submission or the choke.. guaranteed broken body parts or unconsciousness.. these methods have been refined for hudreds of years and theylook and work on the street or in the cage exactly as they look in the dojo or the gym.. something most arts cant say.. ... 4) weight classes will always exist when people compete. If the Silat community gets honest competition going you will eventually have them in Silat too..regardless of the art, men will usually beat women and the strongest and most athletically gifted men will usually beat the smaller or weaker men.. with equal knowledge and repertoire or techniques, the more powerful fighter usually wins.. ... 5) submission grappling does make use of the kind of pain compliance you mentioned... one example in jiujitsu is using the points of your elbows on the nerves of the opponents inner thighs to break their closed guard.. there are many other that come from certain positions.. catch wrestling is very well known for this too.. i dont know enough about Silat to speak on that but its cooo that you guys do it.. .. 6) I really dont know much about Silat except that its in a family of martial arts that seems to know a lot about using knives.. im not a fan of knives for self defense but they are damn effective if youre aim is to kill and i do believe anyone who is serious about self defense should learn some knife basics, and you guys seem to have as well developed or better developed understanding of knives as anyone in the world.. im sure theres more to your style and i have very much respect for every sincere martial art and artist. If you read all this then youre a champ in my book lol.. peace
for the record, I'm not specifically a silat guy. I just know enough about it to know that it works where it was designed to. Honestly, I don't think there's much that we actually disagree on. All I was trying to illustrate in my comment was that "realistic" is a very relative term - and where we set the standard for realism is totally arbitrary and specific to cultural context. In some areas, where knife fighting is prevalent, fisticuffs may not be considered realistic, etc etc etc. My training straddles both competition-style fighting and street defense, which is why I have complete respect for both hemispheres. Specifically I train a combination of Jeet Kune Do (boxing, muay thai, wing chun, savate, integrated grappling systems) and Filipino Martial arts (Kali/escrima, Kuntao). Each of those styles works cooperatively with one another because they each have economy of motion. Mechanically, there's very little difference between the leverage in Dumog (filipino grappling) and the leverage in, say, Catch Wrestling. "All the same but different" as my instructor likes to say.
People keep claiming " This looks nothing like Silat" Do you know why? because its a fight. A real fight. Or as real as we can reasonably get to in terms of legal authority. Real fights do not look like the fight scenes in Taken. They're messy ugly looking things. Many people have just grown accustomed to the romanticized view of it they've seen in movies.
Ha ha ha ha . These guys need to learn some Brazilian jujitsu. They have awful ground fighting. The guy lost just because he didn't know how to gets out of mount which is basic Brazilian jujitsu .
MMA is not a fighting style, it is a set of rules that says "you can punch, kick, and grapple" there are basic limitations on where you can hit people and obvi its a 1v1 unarmed format but thats it; youre free to use silat or wing chun or aikido or praying mantis flying tiger, or whatever you want. even though it says silat this was an mma style fight because they were allowed to punch kick and grapple and they both wanted to win. and the guy with the better mma skills did win. when its your ass on the line youre going to use what works - boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, bjj, judo. punching, kicking,and grappljng techniques and strategies that were developed and refined under the pressure of real fights.
Hmmmmm.....so the rules of this fight were "If there's not enough movement on the ground stand them up." Based on the rules pretty much the only way to win on the ground was to ground and pound. (Plenty of movement). The guy in the black would have won under regular MMA rules. I heard the commentator state that both men had only trained in Silat. That's interesting because I saw moves that are similar to BJJ, but not as well executed. The guy in the black shirt had an opportunity to lock down half guard to keep white shirt from taking full mount but he was apparently not aware of that. Being "true to the art" is nice, but if the art lacks sufficient responses to certain situations....just sayin'. Props to both men.
Sayfutdinov have a bit move of silat. The way he lock and the way he counter is really look little bit like a silat young fighter. However he need to improve a lot of counter-lock techniques.
Ini Bkan SILAT Ini seperti Tarung jalanan.PENCAKSILAT YANG KU KENAL BUKAN Sperti ini..Karenanya PESILAT INDONESIA Tidak serius menanggapi Ajang PENCAKSILAT yang di gaungi malaysia ini.dan sampai saat ini ACARA ini masih menjadi kontroversial..Dan mana Saat ini Acara ONESILAT ini sudah mulai Tidak Serius mengadakan acara Sudah lama Tidak ada cara ONESILAT IPSI indonesia tidak melegalkan Pesilat indonesia mengikuti ajang ini yang peraturanya Tidak Bagus sama sekali..
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Trust me, i've been practicing Silat atleast 7 years. My Master/Guru said to me "Losing the fight = Dead, Winning the fight = Jailed".
Then who is actually WINNING?.
my Guru said, "The one who AVOID the Fight".
We can't compare any martial arts to another, and decide which one is better. Those who practice harder are the winner!
Your Guru its true
Apa hubungannya sama onesilat?
@@ryanazhar9262 ada hubungan nya
ok
I will always wonder why so many have so little respect.
each of these guys need Jiu Jitsu ...BADLY!
silat is grappling techniq yes but fight like a boxing is different rare silat doing that
silat is about humbleness, good manners and have a good spirit. shame on that malay man for his arrogant.
This just looks like amateur MMA, but with a lot of stoping and starting again instead of ground fighting.
actually silat is like aikido, kalari payatu and traditional kung fu. its not for sport at all. the art is for war. deadly. real fight is not like sport. making silat one of sport martial art is humiliated this art.
I dont know why they call this Silat. didnt see any solid silat moves just more of a UFC thing. does this mean that silat is not really applicable in a real situation since silat also do not practice their techniques againts a full resisting opponent.
+philip lajom My point of view is that silat is more of a quick dispatch of an opponent, moves are design to end it very quick whether its through breaking a joint or some other means. If you look at MAUL his silats expertise are very quick ways of ending a fight applicable in a real situation as he teaches its to profesional law enforcement.
Play Silat and fight is something different my friend
Sya si SAMYG
Jom sparing like
after all the techniques and drills.. it ends up just being a sloppy brawl
That's what happens when when you dont spar and wrestle full contact in training.
sayang kembanganya gak ada
Silat? No thank you. I just stick to boxing and bjj.
WTF?? it's just like UFC ... The fighters don't have real stand.. this suck
Hhh ini silat ap MMA
silat ???!!
this is not silat!
rubbish
I didn't see anything relating to silat
andre frierson yeap fell like no different from mma
People who aren't comfortable in their technique always resort to a kickboxing structure. No Silat here whatsoever, just sloppy MMA.
its the most efficient structurr for a 1v1 striking competition.it does always turn in to a kicmboxing match, because kickboxing is what works best to knock the other guy out quickly. and once you allow grappling youre also going to get things that look like bjj, wrestling, and judo- because those styles spent the most time actually fighting, they spent the most time developing techniques and strategies that work in a real fight.
Haragei Lucid I would just be cautious in what we're qualifying as a "real fight."
I think we're quick to set MMA competition as the standard of realism. But we should remember that it's actually uncommon to face an opponent of near-equal size in a controlled, 1v1 environment - with rules guaranteeing your safety (relatively). That just doesn't happen outside of competition. In uncontrolled environments, it's more than likely that you'll be dealing with an opponent much larger than yourself, potentially armed, and possibly toting an entourage of friends equally interested in bashing your skull in.
That's the sort of environment that arts like silat are designed for.
Yeah, for 1v1 win an opponent of equal size, kickboxing is a superior structure. But it's lateral if not linear footwork and overly committal high kicks might not be best for multiple attackers, armed attackers, or unlevel terrain.
Similar deal with BJJ - great for dealing with one opponent. Not so great for dealing with more than one attacker or armed attackers.
There's also a reason that MMA, kickboxing, and BJJ has weight classes. Because those arts are trained for the ideal conditions I mentioned above...equal size, rules for safety, etc.
If you compare BJJ grappling with Silat grappling, you'll notice that each art is a product of its environment. BJJ is all leverage based - used to move, off-balance, and control an opponent of similar size.
Silat, on the other hand, utilizes a combination of leverage and pain compliance. Pain is used to encourage the desired movement in physically stronger opponents: attack their weakness to compromise their structure.
An example of this can be seen in some of the Tarik Kepala variations - where Silat practitioners strike the kidneys to elicit a jerking motion in the opponent's back, while simultaneously manipulating the opponent's head as a leverage point. The jerking motion from the kidney strike compromises the opponent's structure, and the head manipulation capitalizes on that.
Both arts - BJJ and Silat are totally valid...they're just products of their environments. They work where they were designed to work.
Eric Arroyo: sorry for the lare reply. I like what you said and i think we can have a decent exchange of input. To address your points...
.....
1) i think MMA is the best standard for realism that we have, for the simple reason that MMA is real fighting, with about the least restrictive set of rules that a legally sanctioned professional sporting event is going to get..
...
2) well youre actually doing the same sort of prejudging yourself: plenty of fights are one on one vs someone relatively close to your weight class. I personally would say if you cant even beat one guy thats about your size then youre definitely not going to beat multiple people, or people much more powerful, or armed attackers... actually id say its unrealistic to think youll win against those odds regardless of what you train and id say that the real techniques for handling those situations are awareness, good social skill, and intelligent assertiveness... i will definitely concede that ground fighting is not the proper way to fight more than one or at most two people...
....
3) id like to not be focused specifically on bjj but rather to say "grappling" .. its true that grappling is based on leverage but thats not quite the best way to understand its power.. submission grappling is a highly developed set of step by step procedures for controlling, and if necessry, destroying the human body.. take them down, control them, dominate the position, secure the submission or the choke.. guaranteed broken body parts or unconsciousness.. these methods have been refined for hudreds of years and theylook and work on the street or in the cage exactly as they look in the dojo or the gym.. something most arts cant say..
...
4) weight classes will always exist when people compete. If the Silat community gets honest competition going you will eventually have them in Silat too..regardless of the art, men will usually beat women and the strongest and most athletically gifted men will usually beat the smaller or weaker men.. with equal knowledge and repertoire or techniques, the more powerful fighter usually wins..
...
5) submission grappling does make use of the kind of pain compliance you mentioned... one example in jiujitsu is using the points of your elbows on the nerves of the opponents inner thighs to break their closed guard.. there are many other that come from certain positions.. catch wrestling is very well known for this too.. i dont know enough about Silat to speak on that but its cooo that you guys do it..
..
6) I really dont know much about Silat except that its in a family of martial arts that seems to know a lot about using knives.. im not a fan of knives for self defense but they are damn effective if youre aim is to kill and i do believe anyone who is serious about self defense should learn some knife basics, and you guys seem to have as well developed or better developed understanding of knives as anyone in the world.. im sure theres more to your style and i have very much respect for every sincere martial art and artist.
If you read all this then youre a champ in my book lol.. peace
for the record, I'm not specifically a silat guy. I just know enough about it to know that it works where it was designed to. Honestly, I don't think there's much that we actually disagree on. All I was trying to illustrate in my comment was that "realistic" is a very relative term - and where we set the standard for realism is totally arbitrary and specific to cultural context. In some areas, where knife fighting is prevalent, fisticuffs may not be considered realistic, etc etc etc.
My training straddles both competition-style fighting and street defense, which is why I have complete respect for both hemispheres. Specifically I train a combination of Jeet Kune Do (boxing, muay thai, wing chun, savate, integrated grappling systems) and Filipino Martial arts (Kali/escrima, Kuntao).
Each of those styles works cooperatively with one another because they each have economy of motion. Mechanically, there's very little difference between the leverage in Dumog (filipino grappling) and the leverage in, say, Catch Wrestling. "All the same but different" as my instructor likes to say.
Haragei Lucid agreed.
People keep claiming " This looks nothing like Silat" Do you know why? because its a fight. A real fight. Or as real as we can reasonably get to in terms of legal authority. Real fights do not look like the fight scenes in Taken. They're messy ugly looking things. Many people have just grown accustomed to the romanticized view of it they've seen in movies.
Nice show at the beginning but it just turns into amateur mma at best...props for thying to take the bullshit out of traditional martial arts though!
this is no silat....i don't see silat moving
+Rivan Vanbasten me either silat is not for sport i see now why it was kept secret for so long!
What do you mean kept secret.Just because I never knew of your existence till now does not mean you were deliberately keeping a low profile.
This is a free fight not silat I did not see any at punch or lock this is bowl shit
This is silat man. What do you expect to see? Flying kicks? Scroaching double bear claws wolf howl stage 3? This is silat application without form.
@@jamalchari3740 its silat showing how it doesn't work.
It is Silat, but in sport version, without its deadly, brutal strikes.
Citizen0fNowhere oh yeah the fist is deadly btw
Thats great silat should go the mma route.
Tak malu panggil ni Silat. Kuda2 pun xde....
Baik suruh budak tadika jer yg bertumbuk kat dlm nie....
Betul bang,,silat itu mematikan tapi tak brutal seperti ini,
Betul. Hilang terus seninya. Ini gaduh jalanan atau gaduh cowboi namanya. Guna nama lain..jgn guna nama silat. Pengadil pun org putih.
Is it me or those are really bad fighters? I mean compared to what i'm used to see in UFC.
Ha ha ha ha . These guys need to learn some Brazilian jujitsu. They have awful ground fighting. The guy lost just because he didn't know how to gets out of mount which is basic Brazilian jujitsu .
If they're real silat athlete they would sweep each other's heads on ground then proceed to break each other's hands and neck...
this is the real Silap
guys comentar make me muntah setahun..
Silat is a broad term to describe many styles, each with its own flavour. Don't always expect to see indonesian wushu when we're talking about Silat.
Awesome Martial Arts. SILAT and very useful. I love this kind of Self deference.
wygląda jak amatorskie mma... zero techniki.. napierdalanka ... przez całą walke nie było nawet pół techniki ze stylu Silat.
WHAT THE FUCK??? THIS IS NOT SILAT! THERE'S NO ART IN IT
real fights don't look like movies, or drills.
MMA moves not a pure silat
165 cm?? i think that is 175
Cek fighter pencak silat
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I just want to see fight. Their fight yeah
This is how MMA look without rules lol
Nope,this has more rules than mma. This is what happens when your art doesn't work.
Great fight but no silat
Silat apaan cuk gak ada seninya silat sedikit pun
Wtf is that difference in weight and height???
Every bjj practitioner is cringing
MMA is not a fighting style, it is a set of rules that says "you can punch, kick, and grapple" there are basic limitations on where you can hit people and obvi its a 1v1 unarmed format but thats it; youre free to use silat or wing chun or aikido or praying mantis flying tiger, or whatever you want. even though it says silat this was an mma style fight because they were allowed to punch kick and grapple and they both wanted to win. and the guy with the better mma skills did win. when its your ass on the line youre going to use what works - boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, bjj, judo. punching, kicking,and grappljng techniques and strategies that were developed and refined under the pressure of real fights.
Hmmmmm.....so the rules of this fight were "If there's not enough movement on the ground stand them up." Based on the rules pretty much the only way to win on the ground was to ground and pound. (Plenty of movement). The guy in the black would have won under regular MMA rules. I heard the commentator state that both men had only trained in Silat. That's interesting because I saw moves that are similar to BJJ, but not as well executed. The guy in the black shirt had an opportunity to lock down half guard to keep white shirt from taking full mount but he was apparently not aware of that. Being "true to the art" is nice, but if the art lacks sufficient responses to certain situations....just sayin'. Props to both men.
Sayfutdinov have a bit move of silat. The way he lock and the way he counter is really look little bit like a silat young fighter. However he need to improve a lot of counter-lock techniques.
Not silat i think the rule is free
whats this? :D art of silat is calm move.. art of dance art of move.. its UFC not silat hahaha..
Art of dance and move? All that graceful prancing will get you killed in a real fight.
MMA not silat, fake.
Please make this Silat Championship every year occasion in Malaysia and around the world. We need to promote Silat to the world.
its brutal not silat
MMA
This is not silat
BS
ini bukan pencak silat
pencak silat itu gerakannya lembut mengalir, dan tidak brutal
minta maaf... diorg berdua ini nampaknya tidak tahu bersilat.
is that is it??? no art no technique what a shame saying its better than Kali,,,
Ini Bkan SILAT Ini seperti Tarung jalanan.PENCAKSILAT YANG KU KENAL BUKAN Sperti ini..Karenanya PESILAT INDONESIA Tidak serius menanggapi Ajang PENCAKSILAT yang di gaungi malaysia ini.dan sampai saat ini ACARA ini masih menjadi kontroversial..Dan mana Saat ini Acara ONESILAT ini sudah mulai Tidak Serius mengadakan acara
Sudah lama Tidak ada cara ONESILAT
IPSI indonesia tidak melegalkan Pesilat indonesia mengikuti ajang ini yang peraturanya Tidak Bagus sama sekali..
wkwkw alasan doang
this is not silat... The real silat is not this.. this is like BMW Okey..
No silat involved.. I didn't saw silat in their fight
What is up with the ring? Never seen one like it.
That's only 1 round dear commentators ...😆
I dunno why the hate. This is fantastic
People who thinks this is not Silat diffidently believes in so called Silat master’s demo.
This is how human fight, ‘time stopping combo’ and ‘every strike counts’ only exist in demonstrations.
Silat???there is no movement of silat at all
its nothing steps in penchak silat, its to free
The "fight" starts at 7:30. For me it finished at about 7:35. A good addition to this format would be to bestow both combatants with handbags/
chanel or gucci handbags
dont see much silat... *yawn*
silat pe bnde.. Mcm mma jer.. haahahha
pessimo incontro sembra una rissa da strada
Well done rashid....great fighting
No difference between MMA..
I am disappointed
dimana seni silatnya?
ni bukan silat. ni turbo
Street fighter
what the hell ?
whr is silat?
street fight
Congrats coach!!!
ini bukan silat
ini bukan silat
ini bukan silat.
cowboy je
Baik Bro B...
Go Go Power Ranger!!!
baik!
silat nya beda ma indonesia :D