SP1200 vs MPC2000 classic
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ต.ค. 2024
- a versus between classic drum machines using a classic drum break. Sampled the same chops, programmed exactly the same in the respective machines... No swing applied. No FX, No EQ... a lil compression. not quite level matched.
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I got the Isla Instruments s2400, but plan on getting the Rossum Sp1200 later on in the year and get sum vids of both up on here
I had both. It was that crunchy grimey 16 bit sound, that just made the drums and percussion stand out from the rest. Pple would always ask me - "cnote why your drums hit harder then everyone else's." Haha, man I miss those pre Internet fruity loops day's.
I have the 2k classic, with 8 outs, fx, usb drive. its really fun to use. I do think its missing the thickness in the low end for kicks, and this video confirms it. So wish I had an SP!
Shiiiiiiieeeeeeeet. I don’t know how many trunks caught fire and back windows gave out to the raw flat straight out the stereo mix of the 2k classic.
@@lionelluney3063 Yeah the stereo outs definitly sound great on the 2k. Very snappy and sit well
@@Will-hr1qq The 2k 8 outs are dialed back a lil compared to the mains as digital tracking was coming into play and like other MPCs of the era the idea was the 8 outs were going for additional processing on the way to tape ( whether it be analog, Sony 32/48 TDIF or ADAT. ) So it was assumed that the sound most likely will be more aggressive on the back end so it didn’t need it on the back. The cool thing about the 2k was the converters bump at 140hz which gave it more transient then its predecessor the 3000 and 60, and the fact that the 8 outs were louder as Roger played it 2 safe. I think the Linns outshined the 2ks because of the 8 outs coming standard and having 2/4 midi patch compared to 2/2 which Akai axed 2 channels as more and more gear was 16 channel multitimberal compared to the previous 1-8 channels
@@Will-hr1qq also the 140hz bump is why the 2k and 1200 sound similar just one lacks the aliasing
Nice comparison. I have both machines. But I also had an XL. But I always thought for some reason that the original 2000 had the better sound between those 2 MPC's. My only question is, did you use both outputs on the 2K? Since the 1200 only had 1 out, you will definitely hear a difference in the loudness for sure...
Nope. Sampled the drums in mono and just 1 1/4" plug coming out of both machines. I do think the 2000 may be slightly louder.
Interesting how identical they sound on that break , how did u samples the chops in what tuning or no tuning up and tuning down ? Peace ✌️
I sampled the break into both machines with the same wire coming out my turntable mixer. I chopped the same kick, hat, snare and ghost kick and then programmed each sequencer the same exact way. no shuffle, swing or movement. i did have to approximate the velocity on the hats between the two machines.
To me the MPC is cleaner… the SP a little tigher and thumpier. More tests to come!
Thanks for the ears
@@aych_el thanks for reply. Have you sampled the break hits into both machines in original pitch or tuned up a few semitones and than returned down in samplers ( the og method due to luck of memory) ? Peace
Because on both samplers the sound will change if you sample at 45rpm + 4,5% on turntable or +5 or +6 or more semitone in software and than downpitch to original in the sampler.of course you know that but I was just wondering to hear MPC2000 break being sampled in fast and pitched down - you will hear more grit on MPC than now.. the samplers would sound very different in that type of comparison. Good stuff ! Peace, Jazz
@@jazzroom nope... no pitching up/down. i had the classic SP1200-s900 setup in 1995. Everybody wanted the cleanest sound back then and that has stuck with me. Also -for me- I dont like pitching on a turntable because it doesn't pitch in semitones. I do sometimes slow the musical samples way down for the aliasing but I want my drums strong and clean. I sample strictly from vinyl and that into the SP gives me everything I need. I don't do my drums in the 2000 when I'm working :). Chopped Herring just released some of my 90s material (th-cam.com/video/Rgq04Ag9S9c/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PuDuuWdw7kS0kZOd)
@@aych_el yes I remember 90s early sampling days very well - everybody went for as clean as poss sound in any genre. Speaking as a jazz player ( 🎷) I’ve been into a “vintage “ 40s 50s 60s Jazz revival movement in late 80s all thought 90s early 2k : Jazz musos wanted that analog reel to reel sound as opposed to CDs 💿 we all wanted to sound like our Jazz Heroes Back than ( maybe still) Listened to your record on Chopped Herring - really dope work from the underground ! props and respect ✊ peace : Dimitri ( Jazzroom sounds )
The MPC 2000 sounds brighter.
It's definitely brighter... its sample rate is 44.1. the SP is 26.04
1) That's not a real SP-1200; it's a modern replica thaf uses different parts and code. It sounds cleaner than a real SP.
2) Why would anyone mention a trash, non-Linn, fake MPC--an MPC2000/XL--in the same sentence as even an SP replica? 2000/XLs sound horrible and lifeless, regardless if they're 16-bit.
If one wants a quality 16-bit machine, get a real MPC--an MPC3000--or an Ensoniq EPS-16Plus. Roland/Boss SPs aren't bad, either.
I kinda get where you are going but I have to disagree with your assessment of the Rossum not being an SP. The code is not different. Also… there are MANY different iterations. The SP12 is different from the OG 1200. There are some units that dont even have analog filters. The biggest difference with the ROssum is the SSI vs SSM chips. Again the 7301 SP’s have no analog filter chips! I had a black reissue from 1995. Now I have the Rossum. The rossum is better in every way in my humble opinion. It may be a lil cleaner but we still talking 26040. The cleaner sound may well be explained by old vs new electronics. YMMV.
I do agree with your assessment of the MPC 2000 😂
and....
the EPS is actually 13 bit.
12 bit vs 16 bit is all I hear. In reality, MPC 2000 Classic is the superior midi sequencer and 16 bit sampler. SP is nothing but a 12 bit sampler with a bs sequencer
bit depth really only deals with dynamic range. you're hearing 44.1k vs 26.04k... the sample rate. I'd agree that the MPC is the superior "midi" sequencer, but i have to disagree that the SP has a BS sequencer. The feel of the SP sequencer is way looser/funkier than the MPC2000. If your sequencing synths - yes the SP cant do it. But programming drums and triggering samples - Its no match. The SP is a sampling drum machine. The MPC is a midi production center. Important difference
Had to be a woman. She doesn’t know. They weren’t even interested in this stuff till Instagram came along. The hype beast bandwagon
@@enigmaticmusic6242 Thats not a real woman bro. Its a dude using a girl avatar for his profile pic. Hes been trolling hip hop videos for years now
@@JEFFMAN90 even worse
Bonjour je me permet d’ajouter un commentaire … j’ai une mpc 2000xl, une sp1200 un s950 et un asr10…. Et d’autres sampleurs…(w30, EPS, S760 etc….) Je connais parfaitement ces machines… quand on regarde cette vidéo on pourrait croire que ça sonne pareil ou même que la mpc2000 sonne mieux… la réalité est tout autre, dans cette vidéo tout d’abord le swing la quantize n’est pas vraiment la même… et surtout sans manquer de respect à l’auteur de cette vidéo … sérieusement Apprends à utiliser ta sp1200 franchement quel gâchis!!! Samples!!! comme il faut !!! car ton kick ta snare sonnent ridicule… chez moi quand je fais un son avec ma sp1200 ça sonne ça Groove.. ma mpc2000 sonne comme une casserole sans âme… donc quand je vois une vidéo de comparaison de ce type ça m’exaspère c’est du gâchis c’est absolument pas la vérité .. quand on a une sp1200 on apprend à l’utiliser à sampler à respecter cette magnifique machine .. au boulot !!!
it was a demonstration not a beat. and if the 2000 sounds better than it sounds better. there were no tricks. recorded straight out each machine with no EQ. identical break, chopped an identical way and sequenced an identical way. learn how to use my machine? lol. i have releases on stones throw, mello music, fat beats, and chopped herring. yeah...i should go learn how to use my machines n/m. be well my friend.