ASEAN is a good trading block. Collective defense or action against China's coercive, aggressive and other malign activities in the wider Asian maritime disputes is nonexistent. With regards to China's extreme aggression against the Philippines in the WPS, the Philippines stands alone. ASEAN does not give a rat's ass about what happens to the Philippines. ASEAN is focused on securing their nations individually.
ASEAN attitude is very different from us filipinos, we filipinos used of fighting supper power, Spain,U.S and japan in thier era, and we stand to our principle, while ASEAN is base on money and buiseness, you cant really count on them in terms of brotherhood, but we can benifit from them from buiseness. My opinion is forget about them when talking about defense.
ASEAN has no benefit to offend either China or the US, just play on the grey space. Not to forget what happened to South Vietnam in the 70s. Soon Ukraine will suffer from the same scenario.
Downgrade the importance of this organization if there is still no plan to leave that organization at least minimize the media exposure (and other counter measures) to show that this organization has no substance and is essentially useless. We could conduct trade and diplomacy with our neighbors without any fragments of this organization.
Phillippines itself is a country with 110 million people - Huge population and relatively large country. The Philippines is also a US ally and I do not think the Philippines needs the ASEAN support in dealing with China's threat. In the past, only country in the region is Vietnam who saved Cambodia from China's Khmer Rouge hand but now I do not think that anyone expect to save others from China's hand.
It's a waste of time to deal with ASEAN. They have no interest of helping the Philippines in the issue of the SCS. I can say that if Japan and the United States are successful in bringing economic prosperity to the Philippines, it does not matter for the Philippines if they are isolated from ASEAN. ASEAN countries only care for themselves, it's a useless organization. China will dissect them one by one. ASEAN infrastructures are debt loans from China. ASEAN countries will exchange money over unguided principles. The more economically sustainable the Philippines is, the more they will resist China and retain a good relationship with the West, as well as Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand. If Japan and the United States can not demonstrate that they can't counter China's belt and road initiatives, they will lose the Indo-Pacific support. It's very critical that it should work, or else......
Almost all ASEAN countries have good relations with China, which is more important than the relationship with poor Philippines. So why should ASEAN ruin its relations with China for the Philippines's fantasy? The United States, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand? Sorry, you Philippines are not on the same table with them, you are just a dish on the menu. You are just their cheap cannon fodder and pawn, and they don't care at all if the Philippines is destroyed.
Yes. Pinoy will be alone to challenge China. Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam has already joined BRICS. If that doesn't tell you what 80% of ASEAN is leaning to China, then you need serious education. Brunei, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, though not with BRICS, are leaning all the way towards China. So again, yes, Pinoy is alone. And most likely to be kicked out from ASEAN.
@@gtaraya Exactly.. When American tells Pinoy boy to go to war, they will sacrifice themselves. Or when the American tells Pinoy girl to open wide.. they'll open wide... They still think white men are the god.
@@gtaraya Who cares about a useless ASEAN that can't even fix the Myanmar crisis because the Junta military is ally of China...very funny ASEAN org...we got Japan and south korea and Australia and USA ,Nato plus European union at our backs...
Vietnam already joined?😅 Give me evidence. Also so what if they joined BRICS. Let me ask you this. Is BRICS only about China? Do BRICS own by China? In this world there is always two powerful forces, axis or allies. Yin or Yang. It's not the end of you country if it decided to join G7 or Nato or BRICS. You all acting like BRICS is everything while you didn't even know how economy works. Because if BRICS countries are that powerful then they won't beg for investment from west specially the west markets each of them longing to access.
@@gtarayado you have evidence that Philippines cannot decide itself or are you just making speculations? So what Philippines didn't choose BRICS? There is two superpower group in this planet. East and west. You can choose one. It's not the end of the world.
But honestly, what was the Philippines expecting? Even during the most recent ASEAN meeting, there was hardly any coverage of its representatives. The Philippines is practically digging its own grave as we watch, and it is only natural for ASEAN to distance itself from the Philippines' so - called interests. Regardless of the present underlying issues - as a long - term "investment" or sorts, the Philippines has slid down from being what arguably was Southeast Asia's top country to the least productive one. It's quite the other way around - there is no reason for ASEAN to "need" the Philippines at all. The Philippines has to stop this unhealthy delusion that it's a major player in the international sovereignty game when it's just another potential Ukraine, albeit a tiny one, in the attempt to Balkanize greater Eurasia. Even the South Koreans and Japanese still refer to themselves as "occupied countries." The Philippines simply does not present itself as a serious argument while referring to itself as "America's Little Brown Brothers."
check the China GDP growth RATE versus Philippines and Vietnam GDP Growth rate for year 2023 and 2024....then come back here and comment and tell me if the philippine economy is going down.... and yes... China will be the future Kursk region of Asia...good luck to you....
@@passportbrolife Even suggesting that the GDP could be used as an index of comparison belies a very poor understanding of this concept. But let's pretend that it's even as what you assumed... What’s fueling this supposed growth in the Philippines, which lacks any tangible, self - sufficient industry of its own? PHILIPPINE EXPORTS - China 20.85%, Hong Kong 11.72%, USA 14.5%, Japan 11.37%. PHILIPPINE IMPORTS - China 32.82%, Japan 7.97%, South Korea 6.76%, USA 6.28%. Best of luck, but do try to understand what the GDP truly represents, first.
@@overseeingeye we are not an export driven country... we have 10 million Overseas Filipino workers all over the world sending USA dollars in the philippines and we are also Service driven economy that relies on Call Center industry from USA and Australia... We are not an industrial manufacturing country.... our Trade is also diversified...for year 2022, Main land china export is 13.89% and hong kong export is 13.28% , Japan export is 14.06 % and USA export is 15.81 %..... That is why philippines and Vietnam are top ASEAN GDP rate superstars today...... unlike china that is SLOWING down in GDP rate...very funny....
@@passportbrolife Overseas Foreign Workers? Call Centers? "Superstars?" Look - it's already sad enough that the Philippines is now looked down upon as the maid export and diploma mill nurse export capital of the world - this hardly represents a serious argument for even someone in the high elementary to low high school level. Well, sincerely - good luck with that. The results speak for themselves.
@@overseeingeye yes...Even South korea is opening up jobs for Filipino health workers in South Korea just recently... Japan is also opening jobs in Japan to be filled up by Filipinos... that's the power of our English abilities... this is our SEcret Weapon ,that is why our economy is growing...
Since the Phillipines has US as a treaty ally, also other countries like Australia etc, rest of ASEAN are confident that there is no need to get involved. Phillipines and USA are perfectly capable of handling this.
it is economic self interest that predominate to those ASEAN member countries that are not being usurped of their rights under international law in the South China Sea.
As we have been saying quite often, ASEAN is worse than useless. Cowardly and waste of time organization, totally irrelevant, cannot even manage to make a statement of support for a founding member. Bunch of cowardly hypocrites
not true.. asean already keep the region peace more than other region for more than 30 years, and thats the fact!! eventho china bullies arround, but its not actually millitary attack..
Support what. You meant disputed islands in scs. Some ASEAN countries also got disputed territories with China but don’t drag other foreign powers to join in the disputes. You requested for US Japan Australia to follow you then you have to clean up your own mess.
Japan and the Philippines are cornerstones of US policy to keep Asia poor and divided. This policy was articulated in the top-secret U.S. Foreign Policy written 76 years ago. February 24, 1948, Declassified U.S. Foreign Policy: Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. ... that Japan and the Philippines will be found to be the corner-stones of such a Pacific security system and that if we can contrive to retain effective control over these areas there can be no serious threat to our security from the East within our time. Taiwan was added to the Pacific security system after Chiang's army retreated to the island of Taiwan in 1949. South Korea was added after the Korean War in 1953. The attempt with Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia was abandoned in 1975. The 1989 attempt in China failed. The 2019-2020 attempt in Hong Kong also failed. The US did not promise to make the Philippines rich, it wanted to use the Philippines to keep Asians poor and divided.
Being a Filipino, I really don’t see how the Philippines today is hogging Asia’s wealth. The country is not an advanced country like Japan and South Korea, while many Filipinos resort to working overseas to get by. I’m not saying that what you’re totally wrong, but the inclusion of the Philippines in this “keeping Asia poor” project seems unlikely.
China is the foreign nation in what they call south china sea. It is surrounded by Southeast Asia nations. Geographically, China is part of the East Asia together with Japan Mongolia, North Korea, South Korea and Taiwan. If you look at from cultural point of view, the countries that surround the south china sea like Brunei, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam share more common traits
@@juanpedrosantiago Chinese civilization and trading activities were here since 2000 +years, that's is why it is called south sea in ancient and south China Sea
@@HuikitWee that route is not all about chinese. The main routes traversed the South China Sea, the Strait of Malacca, the Indian Ocean, and even reached the Arabian Peninsula and East Africa. The Strait of Malacca, in particular, became a major trading passage, connecting various kingdoms in Southeast Asia, like Srivijaya and Majapahit, to China, India, and the Arab world. That route is still true today.
@@juanpedrosantiago Its something like North America is still on this planet. No one should go claim it now because it has been claimed by someone long before anyone else did. And they are too powerful for anyone to change that status quo. Maybe look along this line.
ASEAN is about trade, not defense. they don't have the obligation to side with the Philippines as well as vice versa. they didn't do anything about Myanmar when it had a crisis, so they won't care for this, too. Unless tragedy befalls to them and their people call for help, which most of the time, government ignores.
@ketutjojo5369 it's the government's and every party's decision. and we don't have a say in that. we can always give an opinion but we'll all end up useless here, just like your solution too. you're one of many, but not that important. no one's gonna listen to a person who can't act on their own solution. you can only hope because that's all you can do. and you don't know what's win-win in geopolitics but commenting is a win-win solution to let out your feelings.
@@laplue win for Philippines that they no longer in organization they think useless so they can joint organization useful for them. Win for ASEAN cos they can more focus on economic cooperation less drag to geopolitics conflict specifically conflict between big player like USA and China.
Honestly the Philippines government should worry more about; the garbage, the lack of electricity; the unwanted pregnancies; lack of good internet; civil services… than to worry about China…
The problem lies with the Philippines that does not discuss matter with Asean before it decides to allow foreign powers to the South China Sea, near their seas.
First ASEAN is an economic alliance only and will not step forward in territorial dispute. Second china have puppets in ASEAN countries. You can look at the first time Philippines talks about territorial dispute in ASEAN meeting, then this host country interrupted and keeps diverging the topic.
They do not want to be puppy to US because they already are puppies of China. Their economies heavily relies on China. Additionally, they do not want to antagonize China because they want to join BRICS.
Territorial dispute have nothing to do with US military bases🥴. That's what you got sniffing a lot of anti US propaganda. Now everything is connected to US for you 💀
Yup. Just look at Indonesian President visit to China.. Lots of respects and focus on mutual trade and benefit. Hats off to them. Whereas the Pinoy land is busy charging the American for $10 a pop getting a happy ending from the Pinoy's women.
ASEAN nations are run by Ch. Singapore is run by Chinese businessmen. It influences other ASEAN nations by its investments in the region. Money talks. Just recently, Singapore had an economic agreement upgrade with Ch. ASEAN centrality should never be a basis for nation's sovereign issues. ASEAN should never be part of SCS issue since most ASEAN nations are not part of the issue and prefers neutrality like Singapore, Cambodia, Thailand and Sri Lanka. Those nations affected by Chinese aggression should create a new group apart from ASEAN since they are directly affected by the issue. This new group should file a collective protest or a case in the permanent court of arbitration to deal with the issue. Don't drag ASEAN since not every nation in ASEAN is affected by the issue. This is not about US vs CH. This is not about ASEAN vs CH. This is about territory and sovereign rights of each nation affected by CH undisputed claims in their own respective territory. ASEAN as a collective body is not relevant on the issue.
The silent of most ASEAN member that makes china aggressive at wps they don't want be part of opposition in the eyes of the dragon may be because they are not direct affected of coercion but later they will pay the price due to sea lane if they are not react this time.
look at cambodia and laos GDP rate for 2023 and 2024 then check the GDP rate of philippines for year 2023 and 2024, then come back here and tell me who is getting richer?
@@KO-jl3mgNi chile ma ren is the problem after the world makes adjustments for them -trade with them, educate them, introduce technologies to them, makes them rich with ease. This is how Ni chile ma ren will repay the world? stumping the scaredness of international law, technology theft, bullying of smaller nations. Ni chile ma ren, without our money and natural resources which you have none you would still be eating grasses and lignin time to expel you from the rest of the world!
Your understanding mean nothing if you have double standards and have no understanding of Chinese History. Philippine was no a country until after 1960 so how can they claim something already claim by Chinese centuries ago?
Philippines needs to develop its hard power deference, rather than focusing majorly on alliances , you geological location is such that even US wouldn't be fully in if escalation happens ,.you have to depend on yourself
Nah! With all due respects, the whole discussion reveals a lack of depth and understanding of the ASEAN mentality, culture, tradition, philosophy and approach to conflict resolution. A very western narrative based perspective lacking insights gained from direct exposures and experiences. President Bong Bong of the Philippines is allowing his country to be used as a condom by his former slave masters , to be discarded once his usefulness is no longer. As well, he's personally compromised by a conflict of interest over his family's ill-gotten wealth left behind by his disgraced father ! For more insightful and indepth perspectives on China's peaceful rise, issues over the South China Sea, Taiwan and the role ASEAN could be playing going forward, listen to some of the talks given by some of Singapore's retired, senior Ministers like Kishore Mahbubani, George Yeo or even the late PM Lee Kuan Yew. This discussion unfortunately, lacks meat and is merely an echo chamber for western narratives.
come back here if ASEAN already fixed the Myanmar Crisis...comment here if you can Prove that ASEAN is really useful , according to your so called ASEAN mentality....LOL...
ASEAN is a good trading block. Collective defense or action against China's coercive, aggressive and other malign activities
in the wider Asian maritime disputes is nonexistent. With regards to China's extreme aggression against the Philippines in the WPS,
the Philippines stands alone. ASEAN does not give a rat's ass about what happens to the Philippines. ASEAN is focused on securing their
nations individually.
An eye opening program. Thanks
ASEAN attitude is very different from us filipinos, we filipinos used of fighting supper power, Spain,U.S and japan in thier era, and we stand to our principle, while ASEAN is base on money and buiseness, you cant really count on them in terms of brotherhood, but we can benifit from them from buiseness. My opinion is forget about them when talking about defense.
Some Asean members have business with China and they don’t like to upset China by agreeing with Philippines stand in WPS.
The Philippines is right.
finally someone said it we always have a feud with superpower during their time we stand with what we fighting for
Pano mga royalties jan sa ASEAN may businessman partnerships sa CCP 🤭
ASEAN has no benefit to offend either China or the US, just play on the grey space. Not to forget what happened to South Vietnam in the 70s. Soon Ukraine will suffer from the same scenario.
Downgrade the importance of this organization if there is still no plan to leave that organization at least minimize the media exposure (and other counter measures) to show that this organization has no substance and is essentially useless. We could conduct trade and diplomacy with our neighbors without any fragments of this organization.
Phillippines itself is a country with 110 million people - Huge population and relatively large country. The Philippines is also a US ally and I do not think the Philippines needs the ASEAN support in dealing with China's threat. In the past, only country in the region is Vietnam who saved Cambodia from China's Khmer Rouge hand but now I do not think that anyone expect to save others from China's hand.
It's a waste of time to deal with ASEAN. They have no interest of helping the Philippines in the issue of the SCS.
I can say that if Japan and the United States are successful in bringing economic prosperity to the Philippines, it does not matter for the Philippines if they are isolated from ASEAN.
ASEAN countries only care for themselves, it's a useless organization. China will dissect them one by one. ASEAN infrastructures are debt loans from China. ASEAN countries will exchange money over unguided principles.
The more economically sustainable the Philippines is, the more they will resist China and retain a good relationship with the West, as well as Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand.
If Japan and the United States can not demonstrate that they can't counter China's belt and road initiatives, they will lose the Indo-Pacific support.
It's very critical that it should work, or else......
Don't you realize that the US is not interested in Philippines attaining prosperity.
Almost all ASEAN countries have good relations with China, which is more important than the relationship with poor Philippines. So why should ASEAN ruin its relations with China for the Philippines's fantasy? The United States, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand? Sorry, you Philippines are not on the same table with them, you are just a dish on the menu. You are just their cheap cannon fodder and pawn, and they don't care at all if the Philippines is destroyed.
What course of action will PH take if after decoupling from China, the West and Japan/SK are slow in bringing PH to prosperity?
We Filipinos don't need ASEAN because most of our ASEAN neighbors doesn't have balls to deal with a bully like China
The right way is to make your own people's life better. Instead of sending your moms and daughters to overseas.
Yes
Yes. Pinoy will be alone to challenge China.
Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam has already joined BRICS.
If that doesn't tell you what 80% of ASEAN is leaning to China, then you need serious education.
Brunei, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, though not with BRICS, are leaning all the way towards China.
So again, yes, Pinoy is alone. And most likely to be kicked out from ASEAN.
Pinoy is alone because the americans told them to be🤷♂
@@gtaraya Exactly..
When American tells Pinoy boy to go to war, they will sacrifice themselves.
Or when the American tells Pinoy girl to open wide.. they'll open wide...
They still think white men are the god.
@@gtaraya Who cares about a useless ASEAN that can't even fix the Myanmar crisis because the Junta military is ally of China...very funny ASEAN org...we got Japan and south korea and Australia and USA ,Nato plus European union at our backs...
Vietnam already joined?😅 Give me evidence. Also so what if they joined BRICS.
Let me ask you this. Is BRICS only about China? Do BRICS own by China?
In this world there is always two powerful forces, axis or allies. Yin or Yang. It's not the end of you country if it decided to join G7 or Nato or BRICS. You all acting like BRICS is everything while you didn't even know how economy works. Because if BRICS countries are that powerful then they won't beg for investment from west specially the west markets each of them longing to access.
@@gtarayado you have evidence that Philippines cannot decide itself or are you just making speculations?
So what Philippines didn't choose BRICS? There is two superpower group in this planet. East and west. You can choose one. It's not the end of the world.
But honestly, what was the Philippines expecting? Even during the most recent ASEAN meeting, there was hardly any coverage of its representatives. The Philippines is practically digging its own grave as we watch, and it is only natural for ASEAN to distance itself from the Philippines' so - called interests. Regardless of the present underlying issues - as a long - term "investment" or sorts, the Philippines has slid down from being what arguably was Southeast Asia's top country to the least productive one. It's quite the other way around - there is no reason for ASEAN to "need" the Philippines at all. The Philippines has to stop this unhealthy delusion that it's a major player in the international sovereignty game when it's just another potential Ukraine, albeit a tiny one, in the attempt to Balkanize greater Eurasia. Even the South Koreans and Japanese still refer to themselves as "occupied countries." The Philippines simply does not present itself as a serious argument while referring to itself as "America's Little Brown Brothers."
check the China GDP growth RATE versus Philippines and Vietnam GDP Growth rate for year 2023 and 2024....then come back here and comment and tell me if the philippine economy is going down.... and yes... China will be the future Kursk region of Asia...good luck to you....
@@passportbrolife Even suggesting that the GDP could be used as an index of comparison belies a very poor understanding of this concept. But let's pretend that it's even as what you assumed... What’s fueling this supposed growth in the Philippines, which lacks any tangible, self - sufficient industry of its own? PHILIPPINE EXPORTS - China 20.85%, Hong Kong 11.72%, USA 14.5%, Japan 11.37%. PHILIPPINE IMPORTS - China 32.82%, Japan 7.97%, South Korea 6.76%, USA 6.28%. Best of luck, but do try to understand what the GDP truly represents, first.
@@overseeingeye we are not an export driven country... we have 10 million Overseas Filipino workers all over the world sending USA dollars in the philippines and we are also Service driven economy that relies on Call Center industry from USA and Australia... We are not an industrial manufacturing country.... our Trade is also diversified...for year 2022, Main land china export is 13.89% and hong kong export is 13.28% , Japan export is 14.06 % and USA export is 15.81 %.....
That is why philippines and Vietnam are top ASEAN GDP rate superstars today...... unlike china that is SLOWING down in GDP rate...very funny....
@@passportbrolife Overseas Foreign Workers? Call Centers? "Superstars?" Look - it's already sad enough that the Philippines is now looked down upon as the maid export and diploma mill nurse export capital of the world - this hardly represents a serious argument for even someone in the high elementary to low high school level. Well, sincerely - good luck with that. The results speak for themselves.
@@overseeingeye yes...Even South korea is opening up jobs for Filipino health workers in South Korea just recently... Japan is also opening jobs in Japan to be filled up by Filipinos... that's the power of our English abilities... this is our SEcret Weapon ,that is why our economy is growing...
Non claimants should not try to meddle because history shows all those who meddle have ulterior motives
Yes you’re right my friend I still remember when Cambodia had a problem with Thailand asean showed no help Cambodia had to faced Thailand a lone.
Since the Phillipines has US as a treaty ally, also other countries like Australia etc, rest of ASEAN are confident that there is no need to get involved. Phillipines and USA are perfectly capable of handling this.
it is economic self interest that predominate to those ASEAN member countries that are not being usurped of their rights under international law in the South China Sea.
As we have been saying quite often, ASEAN is worse than useless. Cowardly and waste of time organization, totally irrelevant, cannot even manage to make a statement of support for a founding member. Bunch of cowardly hypocrites
If people all ignore you, please review your own conducts before you point at others.
Forget about you then, you wanted to invite the devil that is USA into our region. You have alienated yourself from ASEAN
not true.. asean already keep the region peace more than other region for more than 30 years, and thats the fact!! eventho china bullies arround, but its not actually millitary attack..
Support what. You meant disputed islands in scs. Some ASEAN countries also got disputed territories with China but don’t drag other foreign powers to join in the disputes. You requested for US Japan Australia to follow you then you have to clean up your own mess.
But Philippe is a proxy of America, like Japan 😂😂😂
Japan and the Philippines are cornerstones of US policy to keep Asia poor and divided. This policy was articulated in the top-secret U.S. Foreign Policy written 76 years ago.
February 24, 1948, Declassified U.S. Foreign Policy:
Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. ... that Japan and the Philippines will be found to be the corner-stones of such a Pacific security system and that if we can contrive to retain effective control over these areas there can be no serious threat to our security from the East within our time.
Taiwan was added to the Pacific security system after Chiang's army retreated to the island of Taiwan in 1949. South Korea was added after the Korean War in 1953. The attempt with Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia was abandoned in 1975. The 1989 attempt in China failed. The 2019-2020 attempt in Hong Kong also failed.
The US did not promise to make the Philippines rich, it wanted to use the Philippines to keep Asians poor and divided.
Being a Filipino, I really don’t see how the Philippines today is hogging Asia’s wealth. The country is not an advanced country like Japan and South Korea, while many Filipinos resort to working overseas to get by. I’m not saying that what you’re totally wrong, but the inclusion of the Philippines in this “keeping Asia poor” project seems unlikely.
@@abmder.bugarin2437I agree
This will likely enable the SEATO agreeemnt,m PACT MDT
China is the foreign nation in what they call south china sea. It is surrounded by Southeast Asia nations. Geographically, China is part of the East Asia together with Japan Mongolia, North Korea, South Korea and Taiwan. If you look at from cultural point of view, the countries that surround the south china sea like Brunei, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam share more common traits
Do you know ancient South East Asia, marintime silk road
@HuikitWee its a trade route.
@@juanpedrosantiago Chinese civilization and trading activities were here since 2000 +years, that's is why it is called south sea in ancient and south China Sea
@@HuikitWee that route is not all about chinese. The main routes traversed the South China Sea, the Strait of Malacca, the Indian Ocean, and even reached the Arabian Peninsula and East Africa. The Strait of Malacca, in particular, became a major trading passage, connecting various kingdoms in Southeast Asia, like Srivijaya and Majapahit, to China, India, and the Arab world. That route is still true today.
@@juanpedrosantiago Its something like North America is still on this planet. No one should go claim it now because it has been claimed by someone long before anyone else did. And they are too powerful for anyone to change that status quo. Maybe look along this line.
ASEAN for what????
I hope Philippines quit from ASEAN if they think ASEAN is useless. Make yourself good.
ASEAN is about trade, not defense. they don't have the obligation to side with the Philippines as well as vice versa. they didn't do anything about Myanmar when it had a crisis, so they won't care for this, too. Unless tragedy befalls to them and their people call for help, which most of the time, government ignores.
@@laplue so just quit, Philippines happy, ASEAN happy, win win solutions.
@ketutjojo5369 it's the government's and every party's decision. and we don't have a say in that. we can always give an opinion but we'll all end up useless here, just like your solution too. you're one of many, but not that important. no one's gonna listen to a person who can't act on their own solution. you can only hope because that's all you can do. and you don't know what's win-win in geopolitics but commenting is a win-win solution to let out your feelings.
Useless ASEAN....useless in south china sea... useless in Myanmar... useless in almost everything... only focus of AFF football...nothing more...
@@laplue win for Philippines that they no longer in organization they think useless so they can joint organization useful for them. Win for ASEAN cos they can more focus on economic cooperation less drag to geopolitics conflict specifically conflict between big player like USA and China.
Diplomacy not run to US for help. That will create more animosity.
why was the host talked more than the guest? why is it as if the host knows more than the guest he's speaking with? 🤔
If Philippines felt it needs to go to war, fight it out yourself.
Richard Heydarian has his personal gripes with ASEAN.
Allied countries better not let this asean floater buy armadas let them float as long as they want
thank you mr. heydarian
Honestly the Philippines government should worry more about; the garbage, the lack of electricity; the unwanted pregnancies; lack of good internet; civil services… than to worry about China…
and the fishermen losing livelihood in west philippine sea is not a source of worry?
The problem lies with the Philippines that does not discuss matter with Asean before it decides to allow foreign powers to the South China Sea, near their seas.
First ASEAN is an economic alliance only and will not step forward in territorial dispute. Second china have puppets in ASEAN countries. You can look at the first time Philippines talks about territorial dispute in ASEAN meeting, then this host country interrupted and keeps diverging the topic.
all other country in ASEAN don't want to be US puppy and military base. can you blame them?
Nothing to do with US puppy you disrespect with your comment.
They do not want to be puppy to US because they already are puppies of China.
Their economies heavily relies on China. Additionally, they do not want to antagonize China because they want to join BRICS.
Territorial dispute have nothing to do with US military bases🥴. That's what you got sniffing a lot of anti US propaganda. Now everything is connected to US for you 💀
u mean china puppy??.... just like Myanmar Junta...
Yup. Just look at Indonesian President visit to China..
Lots of respects and focus on mutual trade and benefit.
Hats off to them.
Whereas the Pinoy land is busy charging the American for $10 a pop getting a happy ending
from the Pinoy's women.
ASEAN nations are run by Ch. Singapore is run by Chinese businessmen. It influences other ASEAN nations by its investments in the region. Money talks. Just recently, Singapore had an economic agreement upgrade with Ch. ASEAN centrality should never be a basis for nation's sovereign issues. ASEAN should never be part of SCS issue since most ASEAN nations are not part of the issue and prefers neutrality like Singapore, Cambodia, Thailand and Sri Lanka. Those nations affected by Chinese aggression should create a new group apart from ASEAN since they are directly affected by the issue. This new group should file a collective protest or a case in the permanent court of arbitration to deal with the issue. Don't drag ASEAN since not every nation in ASEAN is affected by the issue. This is not about US vs CH. This is not about ASEAN vs CH. This is about territory and sovereign rights of each nation affected by CH undisputed claims in their own respective territory. ASEAN as a collective body is not relevant on the issue.
Sri Lanka? It’s in South Asia bro.
"China's undisputed claims" was dymystified and invalidated by 2016 arbitral UNCLOS.
Fighting for nothing not for Philippines nor ASEAN intersts
China produces trade goods so cheap. That is its card
Tumiwalag na tyo asean kung ganyan lang
Use Diplomacy
The silent of most ASEAN member that makes china aggressive at wps they don't want be part of opposition in the eyes of the dragon may be because they are not direct affected of coercion but later they will pay the price due to sea lane if they are not react this time.
filipino keep up the good work laos and combodia will soon be richer than you guys
look at cambodia and laos GDP rate for 2023 and 2024 then check the GDP rate of philippines for year 2023 and 2024, then come back here and tell me who is getting richer?
Philippe is still a colony of America. They have to take on china. 😂😂😂😂
low level human rights and freedom of speech China ,teaching filipinos about Freedom and colonization...very funny...
Philippines please join BRICS 🇨🇳🤝🇵🇭
Not a chance
NO
No
nonsense ang asean.
Or maybe the Philippines is the problem?
@@KO-jl3mgNi chile ma ren is the problem after the world makes adjustments for them -trade with them, educate them, introduce technologies to them, makes them rich with ease. This is how Ni chile ma ren will repay the world? stumping the scaredness of international law, technology theft, bullying of smaller nations. Ni chile ma ren, without our money and natural resources which you have none you would still be eating grasses and lignin time to expel you from the rest of the world!
@@KO-jl3mgIt sounded like you have not understand the issue.
@@KO-jl3mg Agree this current Philippine admin is the Problem.
@@DeborahOlson-r2n Do you even understand the purpose of ASEAN?
Your understanding mean nothing if you have double standards and have no understanding of Chinese History. Philippine was no a country until after 1960 so how can they claim something already claim by Chinese centuries ago?
2016 ruling verifys it. For all.
Philippines needs to develop its hard power deference,
rather than focusing majorly on alliances , you geological location is such that even US wouldn't be fully in if escalation happens ,.you have to depend on yourself
Good luck on that
Nah! With all due respects, the whole discussion reveals a lack of depth and understanding of the ASEAN mentality, culture, tradition, philosophy and approach to conflict resolution. A very western narrative based perspective lacking insights gained from direct exposures and experiences. President Bong Bong of the Philippines is allowing his country to be used as a condom by his former slave masters , to be discarded once his usefulness is no longer. As well, he's personally compromised by a conflict of interest over his family's ill-gotten wealth left behind by his disgraced father ! For more insightful and indepth perspectives on China's peaceful rise, issues over the South China Sea, Taiwan and the role ASEAN could be playing going forward, listen to some of the talks given by some of Singapore's retired, senior Ministers like Kishore Mahbubani, George Yeo or even the late PM Lee Kuan Yew.
This discussion unfortunately, lacks meat and is merely an echo chamber for western narratives.
come back here if ASEAN already fixed the Myanmar Crisis...comment here if you can Prove that ASEAN is really useful , according to your so called ASEAN mentality....LOL...
ASEAN IS DOOM
Wps is belong to Philippines period
There's no wps in any international maps.