Hogger forgot how to walk since he's been in the seat. Look if they want this train to sit for a couple hours because i have to go on a leisurely stroll, thats on them.
Ok here goes being a former CSX engineer for 14 years you may not like it but your being told to do something by the dispatcher don’t argue with him notify your local chairman see if there is a claim for it you can even contact the trainmaster he is right in that if it’s safe for the conductor it’s safe for us we are no better we are all the same something else is going on that we are missing here you can tell by the dispatchers tone sounds like he could have been trying to use a calendar day to drag ass and he got caught the dispatcher was wrong in that no the conductor cannot do a calendar day unless he is a cut back engineer but if the conductor was back there I think we could have worked something out now having said that if this dispatcher was just being a dick then there is other ways of handling it when I returned to the head end 4 hours later I would be ready to go you have to be safe watch your footing just be good and safe I’ve never heard anything like this at all I’m not taking up for anyone but the engineer seemed like he had a little attitude to start with there had to be a lot more going on I’ve never heard a dispatcher talk to somebody like that
@@pamhensley3126agree. It would be a slow but steady march. There sounds like there’s more to this. Like someone else missed putting that card info for the DP on the head end crew to crew.
Reading this reply gave me an aneurysm. I took the liberty of punctuating it properly... Ok here goes.. being a former CSX engineer for 14 years, you may not like it, but you're being told to do something by the dispatcher. Don’t argue with him. Notify your local chairman and see if there is a claim for it. You can even contact the trainmaster. He is right in that if it’s safe for the conductor, it’s safe for us. We are no better and are all the same. Something else is going on that we are missing here. You can tell by the dispatcher's tone. It sounds like he could have been trying to use a calendar day to drag ass and he got caught. The dispatcher was wrong in that no the conductor cannot do a calendar day unless he is a cut back engineer. But if the conductor was back there, I think we could have worked something out. That being said, if this dispatcher was just being a dick, then, there are other ways of handling it. When I returned to the head end 4 hours later, I would be ready to go. You have to be safe, watch your footing just be good and safe. I’ve never heard anything like this at all. I’m not taking up for anyone, but the engineer seemed like he had a little attitude to start with. There had to be a lot more going on. I’ve never heard a dispatcher talk to somebody like that.
As a retired Carmen with over 41 years of service with Chessie then CSX I have walked many trains and I don't feel the least bit of sympathy for him 😂😂
Ripped a tendon in my left foot once having to inspect my auto racks that went into ude coming down questa grade at 3am almost back to SLO. Inspecting both sides with zero footing on the conductor side almost slid down the mountain. I will never buy "Reebok" work boots ever again.
sorry to hear you got injured... the company didn't send you a nastygram in the mail did they???... bring you up on charges for "failing to properly perform your duties when you sustained an injury to yourself while you were condr on job/train blah blah blah"... dirty slimeball railroad bosses are known for doing that
@@25mfd I didn't report it as an on duty injury. Took a few days for it to become unbearable to walk on. The part that really pisses me off was I was wearing stupid Reebok work boots when for the previous 12 years I had always worn Red wing's. But UP decided to do away with annual paper boot forms that we could take to the red wings store. They only covered half the cost anyhow. But around 2017 they started doing online ppe crap where we would order our boots through a vendor that only offered a few brands. Couldn't try them on prior since they were all done online through the employee portal. Along with our safety vests, glasses hearing protection gloves, ect...... Thankfully I had disability plans through the union. Every trainman should sing up for long term plans and supplemental plans. You never know what can happen.
@@jakelloyd3512 *But UP decided to do away with annual paper boot forms that we could take to the red wings store* HA... frickn' cheap ass UP bastards... all that PSR money rollin' in from all the laid off workers and stored locomotives, they're stuffing money in their pockets hand over fist but then dump a decent workboot program in favor of a CHEAP piss ass alternative... not surprised at all... i was a UP employee to... hired on in 1993 with the chicago and northwestern... i remember the redwing boot program they had... red wings are GOOD boots, but pricey... but it's worth it because you only got one pair of feet so it's worth it to use good stuff... and yea it is a good idea to have some form of disability insurance JUST IN CASE... you never know when something might happen
@@jakelloyd3512 *Every trainman should sing up for long term plans and supplemental plans* yes i had that when i was railroading... thankfully never had to use it
I’m reading this while I’m driving along the UP in Wyoming. I couldn’t even begin to imagine having to do that in the middle of winter on some of these monster trains they’re running out here now.
Everybody on here hating on the guy having to traverse a mile, walking a path with an uneven footing, and a multitude of other hazards. Sounded like he was more or less venting. The walking engineer tried to stop the argument at 0:32, but you can just taste the disgust, pettiness, and hatred the other employee has for this individual, as he continues to pick a fight and egg the guy on. The engineer doing the walk, tells him twice, your just arguing with yourself.
As a former conductor, its a known fact train crews spend more time trying to find ways to get out of work the actually just doing the work. And god forbid any of the engineers I worked with had to walk farther than as many units there was on the head end 🙄 There was one exception, old head and was a former road foreman that went back to the seat, he loved to walk the train.
i don't blame the engr for not wanting to walk back 101 cars... over the years, the carriers as a WHOLE have said loud and clear we the workers are not needed on the hind end anymore... "we don't need you back there" they institute crew consist agreements, dump the caboose, use unmanned helpers and then top it off by implementing PSR in concert with the DPUs to move TWO monster trains with only one crew... cutting the pool crews, cutting the yard forces, cutting everyone they could possibly cut without all but abandoning the joint...they left a skeleton workforce in place... but now, ALL OF A SUDDEN, when the carriers technologically advanced UNMANNED DPU locomotive takes a shit, NOW the carrier saying, "we need you back there"... tell csx to ram it... carrier should have a M.I.C. on standby and not expect a engr to walk 101 cars to check on the carriers piece of shit locomotives
from someone who ran trains up there that is bullshit. the walk from CP 10 sucks they were on the middle siding it sounds. hate that walk with a main on both sides.
He’s just being lazy. I understand some areas have either bad walking conditions, or almost zero walk way at all. But still you gotta just do it. If you don’t suck it up and do it, then the longer it will take to get home. I’ve walked my train 6 miles before (3 miles both ways) in an area that had no walk way at all. And the tracks were elevated on their own hill. You ha about a foot or so of ballast on the outside of the ties, then it was about a 45 degree or steeper drop than went down about 12 feet. And the stones kept sliding out from under me. That absolutely sucked. But I still did it. I complained a lot, but I did it. And me and my engineer had a good time laughing about it in hindsight when I made it up to the engine. One time I even had to walk 12 miles! It was another 3 mile train, and we went I the emergency twice within the same interlocking lol. Wasn’t even the trains fault. It was PTC which is always acting up. So I knew there was nothing wrong with it, nothing to find and fix hopefully a few cars back, no I had to walk the whole thing for no reason, simply because of a technicality in the rule book. The Train dumped so I walked 3 miles to the real, and 3 miles to the head end. We pull ahead and it dumps again. So I repeat the process. …needless to say we outlawed that day and didn’t make it to our destination lol. …That really should be an exception to the rule though: that if Ptc dumps the train while in an interlocking (AND IT WASN’T ANY FAULT OF OUR OWN! We weren’t about to run a red. We had a good signal. It just freaked out and dumped us) that you don’t have to walk it. That was ridiculous
same dude… i’m on a yard/industry job that goes out on the main. i walk over 10,000 steps on a regular night. 101 cars ain’t shit. sounds like a lazy little fatty road guy to me.
*You ha about a foot or so of ballast on the outside of the ties then it was about a 45 degree or steeper drop than went down about 12 feet And the stones kept sliding out from under me* yea i've been there having to walk the train when i worked the pool... fortunately the lay of the land was mostly flat farmland so most of the route was "walkable"... not ideal BUT just walkable but for your scenario, i would have advised against doing that for 2 reasons... first you could have been injured... second after being injured you run the very real risk of the shitbag company going after you for getting injured (a 12 ft drop to the bottom of the unknown, i'm glad you didn't fall because that had INJURY written all over it) ... i've been down that road as well... never heard of an employer bringing you up on charges if you sustain a work related injury
first and foremost which kenwood VHF Radio model is that and second off it seems to me that this employee was to lazy to leave the cab and walk 101 cars plus the employee he was arguing with was offering to get somone to come out and drive him back to the car or DPU they are inspecting
No just to be fair he offered to see if a yard van was available he didn’t say there was one he said he would check nobody in there right mind should be bitching if you actually had a ride
"Aww man, yeah I really tried, didn't have a ride, over" This sounds like a road foreman but don't piss off your dispatchers, they can help you or hurt you lol
it's part of the job. and it's not like this isn't talked about it's part of the job having to walk several miles if you don't wanna walk then you shouldn't have applied in the first place to me it just sounds like somone's lazy and don't wanna leave they're seat.
Have you tried walking 101 cars of mainline track? Sometimes you literally can’t. You can’t walk the gauge and the sides of mainline are often elevated with dense brush that prohibits walking at the bottom. Now if this was in a yard then he’s just being lazy. Not my territory idk what’s there.
That’s exactly how it’s supposed to go. “Over” is like a period in a sentence. It’s used to convey a portion of a message and then he turns the air “over” to the other person so they can respond. When the conversation it totally done, the last person talking will say “out”
@@riverlinerailphotoproductions10 is bergenfield. Teaneck is between 7 (bogota) and 10 (bergenfield). i live in teaneck. there isnt a designated control point set for it.
During railroad communications you say “over” if your expecting a reply. If your finished with the conversation you respond with “out”. Often you will here dispatchers say “out” that’s the end of the transmission
i've had fun with those radios before getting the passwords off of them using engineering software from Kenwood so no matter what passwords the railroad uses they're easily able to be recovered off these‼️‼️‼️‼️
This reminds me when Amtrak Empire Builder #28's engineer got into it with the Vancouver dispatch over them trying to make their Vancouver station on Main 1 😂
@@raillashupproductions7950 This was months ago but I do recall that there was a train entering the Vancouver Yard on Main 1 so they had them working Main 2 protected on 1 but the engineer wanted to make their station stop on Main 1. Dispatch told them they should have contacted them ahead of time for that option then it resulted them in a back and forth from there and it was ugly and I was here for it all 🤣🤣
I can generally agree with that, but walking a mile or more along a train isn't like walking on a nice trail or concrete sidewalk. Especially if there is a culvert or bridge without a walkway involved.
Walk 6 miles in the pitch dark in the rain on a slippery 45 degree slope with other trains passing by inches away you and you're one wrong step from injury with no one around to help and tell me why someone might be hesitant to walk both sides back and forth of a train over a mile long.
Hogger forgot how to walk since he's been in the seat. Look if they want this train to sit for a couple hours because i have to go on a leisurely stroll, thats on them.
Ok here goes being a former CSX engineer for 14 years you may not like it but your being told to do something by the dispatcher don’t argue with him notify your local chairman see if there is a claim for it you can even contact the trainmaster he is right in that if it’s safe for the conductor it’s safe for us we are no better we are all the same something else is going on that we are missing here you can tell by the dispatchers tone sounds like he could have been trying to use a calendar day to drag ass and he got caught the dispatcher was wrong in that no the conductor cannot do a calendar day unless he is a cut back engineer but if the conductor was back there I think we could have worked something out now having said that if this dispatcher was just being a dick then there is other ways of handling it when I returned to the head end 4 hours later I would be ready to go you have to be safe watch your footing just be good and safe I’ve never heard anything like this at all I’m not taking up for anyone but the engineer seemed like he had a little attitude to start with there had to be a lot more going on I’ve never heard a dispatcher talk to somebody like that
@@pamhensley3126agree. It would be a slow but steady march. There sounds like there’s more to this. Like someone else missed putting that card info for the DP on the head end crew to crew.
Reading this reply gave me an aneurysm. I took the liberty of punctuating it properly...
Ok here goes.. being a former CSX engineer for 14 years, you may not like it, but you're being told to do something by the dispatcher. Don’t argue with him. Notify your local chairman and see if there is a claim for it. You can even contact the trainmaster.
He is right in that if it’s safe for the conductor, it’s safe for us. We are no better and are all the same. Something else is going on that we are missing here. You can tell by the dispatcher's tone. It sounds like he could have been trying to use a calendar day to drag ass and he got caught.
The dispatcher was wrong in that no the conductor cannot do a calendar day unless he is a cut back engineer. But if the conductor was back there, I think we could have worked something out. That being said, if this dispatcher was just being a dick, then, there are other ways of handling it.
When I returned to the head end 4 hours later, I would be ready to go. You have to be safe, watch your footing just be good and safe. I’ve never heard anything like this at all. I’m not taking up for anyone, but the engineer seemed like he had a little attitude to start with. There had to be a lot more going on. I’ve never heard a dispatcher talk to somebody like that.
Punctuation? @@pamhensley3126
Lazy hogger
I did that once on a 7000ft coal train to inspect the DPU. Told the disp I will be calling him back in about 2hrs when I get back on the leader.
Amen. Not worth the risk rushing at the cost of safety.
101 cars is a little bit of a walk
As a retired Carmen with over 41 years of service with Chessie then CSX I have walked many trains and I don't feel the least bit of sympathy for him 😂😂
I worked on the SCL when we had 4 man crews and a caboose on the rear.
Ripped a tendon in my left foot once having to inspect my auto racks that went into ude coming down questa grade at 3am almost back to SLO. Inspecting both sides with zero footing on the conductor side almost slid down the mountain. I will never buy "Reebok" work boots ever again.
sorry to hear you got injured... the company didn't send you a nastygram in the mail did they???... bring you up on charges for "failing to properly perform your duties when you sustained an injury to yourself while you were condr on job/train blah blah blah"... dirty slimeball railroad bosses are known for doing that
@@25mfd I didn't report it as an on duty injury. Took a few days for it to become unbearable to walk on. The part that really pisses me off was I was wearing stupid Reebok work boots when for the previous 12 years I had always worn Red wing's. But UP decided to do away with annual paper boot forms that we could take to the red wings store. They only covered half the cost anyhow. But around 2017 they started doing online ppe crap where we would order our boots through a vendor that only offered a few brands. Couldn't try them on prior since they were all done online through the employee portal. Along with our safety vests, glasses hearing protection gloves, ect...... Thankfully I had disability plans through the union. Every trainman should sing up for long term plans and supplemental plans. You never know what can happen.
@@jakelloyd3512
*But UP decided to do away with annual paper boot forms that we could take to the red wings store*
HA... frickn' cheap ass UP bastards... all that PSR money rollin' in from all the laid off workers and stored locomotives, they're stuffing money in their pockets hand over fist but then dump a decent workboot program in favor of a CHEAP piss ass alternative... not surprised at all...
i was a UP employee to... hired on in 1993 with the chicago and northwestern... i remember the redwing boot program they had... red wings are GOOD boots, but pricey...
but it's worth it because you only got one pair of feet so it's worth it to use good stuff...
and yea it is a good idea to have some form of disability insurance JUST IN CASE... you never know when something might happen
@@jakelloyd3512
*Every trainman should sing up for long term plans and supplemental plans*
yes i had that when i was railroading... thankfully never had to use it
I’m reading this while I’m driving along the UP in Wyoming. I couldn’t even begin to imagine having to do that in the middle of winter on some of these monster trains they’re running out here now.
Happy Days, just think of it as exercise dear chap
Everybody on here hating on the guy having to traverse a mile, walking a path with an uneven footing, and a multitude of other hazards. Sounded like he was more or less venting. The walking engineer tried to stop the argument at 0:32, but you can just taste the disgust, pettiness, and hatred the other employee has for this individual, as he continues to pick a fight and egg the guy on. The engineer doing the walk, tells him twice, your just arguing with yourself.
Here I am, looking back, seeing what train this could be and who the crew could be...LOL
As a former conductor, its a known fact train crews spend more time trying to find ways to get out of work the actually just doing the work.
And god forbid any of the engineers I worked with had to walk farther than as many units there was on the head end 🙄
There was one exception, old head and was a former road foreman that went back to the seat, he loved to walk the train.
i don't blame the engr for not wanting to walk back 101 cars... over the years, the carriers as a WHOLE have said loud and clear we the workers are not needed on the hind end anymore... "we don't need you back there"
they institute crew consist agreements, dump the caboose, use unmanned helpers and then top it off by implementing PSR in concert with the DPUs to move TWO monster trains with only one crew...
cutting the pool crews, cutting the yard forces, cutting everyone they could possibly cut without all but abandoning the joint...they left a skeleton workforce in place...
but now, ALL OF A SUDDEN, when the carriers technologically advanced UNMANNED DPU locomotive takes a shit, NOW the carrier saying, "we need you back there"...
tell csx to ram it... carrier should have a M.I.C. on standby and not expect a engr to walk 101 cars to check on the carriers piece of shit locomotives
I would love to get out of that seat lol. I never understood lazy engineers. Plus, you're getting paid by the hour.
Trip rated not paid by the hour. Just to be fair.
from someone who ran trains up there that is bullshit. the walk from CP 10 sucks they were on the middle siding it sounds. hate that walk with a main on both sides.
I would've walked up there and kicked the dispatchers ass.
He’s just being lazy. I understand some areas have either bad walking conditions, or almost zero walk way at all. But still you gotta just do it. If you don’t suck it up and do it, then the longer it will take to get home. I’ve walked my train 6 miles before (3 miles both ways) in an area that had no walk way at all. And the tracks were elevated on their own hill. You ha about a foot or so of ballast on the outside of the ties, then it was about a 45 degree or steeper drop than went down about 12 feet. And the stones kept sliding out from under me. That absolutely sucked. But I still did it. I complained a lot, but I did it. And me and my engineer had a good time laughing about it in hindsight when I made it up to the engine. One time I even had to walk 12 miles! It was another 3 mile train, and we went I the emergency twice within the same interlocking lol. Wasn’t even the trains fault. It was PTC which is always acting up. So I knew there was nothing wrong with it, nothing to find and fix hopefully a few cars back, no I had to walk the whole thing for no reason, simply because of a technicality in the rule book. The Train dumped so I walked 3 miles to the real, and 3 miles to the head end. We pull ahead and it dumps again. So I repeat the process. …needless to say we outlawed that day and didn’t make it to our destination lol. …That really should be an exception to the rule though: that if Ptc dumps the train while in an interlocking (AND IT WASN’T ANY FAULT OF OUR OWN! We weren’t about to run a red. We had a good signal. It just freaked out and dumped us) that you don’t have to walk it. That was ridiculous
same dude…
i’m on a yard/industry job that goes out on the main.
i walk over 10,000 steps on a regular night.
101 cars ain’t shit.
sounds like a lazy little fatty road guy to me.
*You ha about a foot or so of ballast on the outside of the ties then it was about a 45 degree or steeper drop than went down about 12 feet And the stones kept sliding out from under me*
yea i've been there having to walk the train when i worked the pool... fortunately the lay of the land was mostly flat farmland so most of the route was "walkable"... not ideal BUT just walkable
but for your scenario, i would have advised against doing that for 2 reasons... first you could have been injured... second after being injured you run the very real risk of the shitbag company going after you for getting injured (a 12 ft drop to the bottom of the unknown, i'm glad you didn't fall because that had INJURY written all over it) ... i've been down that road as well... never heard of an employer bringing you up on charges if you sustain a work related injury
Garant vs Norfolk Southern Railroad, Attempted Murder, Aggravated Manslaughter/Assault, and Fired Whistle Blower.
Bro what ☠️ I start I two weeks should I be worried
@@caylemsepeda4845 I wish you well!
Wouldn't surprise me former CT Baltimore MD
Probably involved a Philly crew
THAT IS AWESOME!
Lazy ass engineer is too good to walk LOL
2 mile walk is a killer for real.
first and foremost which kenwood VHF Radio model is that and second off it seems to me that this employee was to lazy to leave the cab and walk 101 cars plus the employee he was arguing with was offering to get somone to come out and drive him back to the car or DPU they are inspecting
This is a kenwood NX210
No just to be fair he offered to see if a yard van was available he didn’t say there was one he said he would check nobody in there right mind should be bitching if you actually had a ride
"Aww man, yeah I really tried, didn't have a ride, over"
This sounds like a road foreman but don't piss off your dispatchers, they can help you or hurt you lol
Road Foreman or Trainmaster.
Dude was mad, I’m more surprised they didn’t tell him to take it on without doing the required inspections
I'm not walking 101 cars for no one!! I guarantee!! Lol
Be a Carman and you will and then some 😂
it's part of the job. and it's not like this isn't talked about it's part of the job having to walk several miles if you don't wanna walk then you shouldn't have applied in the first place to me it just sounds like somone's lazy and don't wanna leave they're seat.
Have you tried walking 101 cars of mainline track? Sometimes you literally can’t. You can’t walk the gauge and the sides of mainline are often elevated with dense brush that prohibits walking at the bottom. Now if this was in a yard then he’s just being lazy. Not my territory idk what’s there.
bro really said “its part of the job to walk several miles”
@@NortheastCorridorFilms I’ll give him that it literally is
Or it could be that he's the locomotive engineer. If he's the engineer that maybe is one of the reason he took the promotion.
psr moment
Dude keeps saying over and then continues to rant on, lol
I think you are mixing up out with over
That’s exactly how it’s supposed to go. “Over” is like a period in a sentence. It’s used to convey a portion of a message and then he turns the air “over” to the other person so they can respond. When the conversation it totally done, the last person talking will say “out”
@@chrisc2683 As a former Radio Rules Instructor for the Customer Service Center I worked in, you are correct. Out.
figures its a north jersey crew
Bruh I would've made dead head that day
Horseshoe curve reminders, anyone lol?
CP10 Thats bergenfield
Wrong
CP 10 Is Teaneck
@@riverlinerailphotoproductions10 is bergenfield. Teaneck is between 7 (bogota) and 10 (bergenfield). i live in teaneck. there isnt a designated control point set for it.
You're not supposed to continue talking after you say "Over"
During railroad communications you say “over” if your expecting a reply. If your finished with the conversation you respond with “out”. Often you will here dispatchers say “out” that’s the end of the transmission
Just like the military.@@troysmith2010
I knew some conductors that wouldn’t even walk. Lazy MF’s, yea it sucks sometimes.
Only about a mile, one way. 🤷
What’s your radio, and did you have someone program it for you?
Mine is Uniden. That’s one of my friend’s radio in this video
It looks like it could be a Kenwood NX-210
Damn.
i've had fun with those radios before getting the passwords off of them using engineering software from Kenwood so no matter what passwords the railroad uses they're easily able to be recovered off these‼️‼️‼️‼️
That's true with almost any software even the third party stuff. Still unless you're an autistic foamer a Motorola handheld is far better.
As a conductor, i barely ever say over or out
Roger that! 👍
You've never been a subject of an FRA audit, Yet! Had 2 in my career.
All this technology has made railroads more Dumber
Says the one that just said "more dumber" it's literally just dumber🙄🤦♂️😂
Do you know how many feet is in a mile
yea... in this case, TWO... your LEFT foot and your RIGHT foot
NI dispatch? This must be riverline sub
I used to work this line
It Was NI
Sounds like dispatcher RDJ
average east coast things
This reminds me when Amtrak Empire Builder #28's engineer got into it with the Vancouver dispatch over them trying to make their Vancouver station on Main 1 😂
What’s wrong with going on Main 1? Lol
@@raillashupproductions7950 This was months ago but I do recall that there was a train entering the Vancouver Yard on Main 1 so they had them working Main 2 protected on 1 but the engineer wanted to make their station stop on Main 1. Dispatch told them they should have contacted them ahead of time for that option then it resulted them in a back and forth from there and it was ugly and I was here for it all 🤣🤣
@@kirkzevola5004 wooow lmao
🤣🤣🤣
My Dad often told me that NO ONE Ever Died from Lack of Sleep or Exercise. Is this Employee Serious about having to Walk One (1) Mile ? Ridiculous! 🤪👎
Not sure i unterstand your comment, lots of people have died because of lack of sleep.
I can generally agree with that, but walking a mile or more along a train isn't like walking on a nice trail or concrete sidewalk. Especially if there is a culvert or bridge without a walkway involved.
Walk 6 miles in the pitch dark in the rain on a slippery 45 degree slope with other trains passing by inches away you and you're one wrong step from injury with no one around to help and tell me why someone might be hesitant to walk both sides back and forth of a train over a mile long.