I’m surprised that the NFL hasn’t tried to move into Canada, Mexico, and/or Puerto Rico as they’re geographically closer and would seem the easier investment at least if the NFL is trying to go international imo
@@SpruceMoose-iv8un They have also said that they don't want to compete with the CFL and hurt the CFL in any way. IF they every expanded to Canada they would kill the CFL most of the teams would fold. Other Countries like Mexico and Puerto RIco have a lot of issues including taxes, nationalized TV and other security issues so they are not expanding there either.
Tottenham Hotspur FC's home stadium was built with soccer and the NFL in mind. There are two separate playing surfaces, one for soccer and the other for American Football. The stadium also has home and away locker rooms for soccer and two other home and away locker rooms for the NFL teams
Thank you! NFL fans always conveniently forget to say that! They also forget to mention how the teams don't pay taxes, how the owners build stadiums and practice headquarters with handouts from the governments.. Also they forget to say that European soccer teams have to pay half of their income in taxes alone as well as build their own stadiums.
The NFL tried it before, and it flopped. "NFL Europe" lasted 13 seasons and lost millions of dollars. Europeans enjoy soccer, not football. Stop trying to force them into liking it.
Playing internationally across continents has been tried before Super Rugby in the southern hemisphere expanded to teams in South America, Africa , Oceania and Asia . It never really worked , timezone issues , road trips , lack of traditional rivalry games all sorts What you’re missing about putting a team in London is they would have to be competitive straight away and win otherwise interest would fade away once the initial buzz and interest has levelled off . Going 1-16 for a few seasons and watch that attendance drop off The other major issue is that most NFL fans in the UK have ‘their’ teams already and so they aren’t just going to pivot to the London Team just like that ain’t gonna happen Now to help with that you are going to need local boys playing in that team and that is a problem. Now there could be a few Rugby guys who might be able to transition but not many So I agree about the NFL continuing these game 17 internationally like soccer does but you call it an advantage that the NFL plays real games rather than soccer that goes on preseason tours . Actually it’s the other way round Liverpool can play a preseason game in Melbourne Australia and 95000 show up An NFL preseason game won’t draw close to that as its not a great spectacle and is disruptive so the NFL has to use regular season games to do the same That’s a weakness not a strength A home game is the most precious thing a team has in any sport and it should be sacred and never given up for anything
Most, if not all NFL fans living in the UK have been fans of their favourite teams since the 1980s, I don't think they'll give the sustained support to a new team or one that is placed there that they have given to the team they've been a fan of for a fair number of years. Many fans travel to the US to support the team they follow and have built up a raport with. They probably would only have at most a passing interest in a team implanted in the UK.
Have the every team play 1 game over in London every year.... 16 Games per Year in London... They can see if there's enough revenue to support atleast 1 Team in London... it fixes the odd number home/away game in the states...
A team here wouldn’t work because there’s no real desire for it. Sure there’s excitement because it’s a one off or 2 games a year, but there wouldn’t be a loyal following every other week generating 60-80k fans. And there’d be zero local talent breaking through. Brittany just don’t play NFL, we play football, rugby and cricket etc, and NFL will not breakthrough. It’s even on the decline in America.
@@AFCA-vn9bl why have they not launched a team yet? I will bet any amount of money it doesn’t work, and tbf, I don’t mind NFL. I’ve been to a couple of games in US, but there’s literally no interest here, other than a couple of spectacles every year. Where would they get players from? Second rate college players from America?
@@sunk5244 it is more people are playing Basketball, MMA, Skateboarding and soccer.. NFL style football is becoming like baseball. More for older boomer crown
Not to nit pick but the tax situation isn't anything. Players pay different taxes in each state and already pay different taxes just for that one game they play in Europe now.
The problems you discribed are not new .In 1990s the World League had same problems with there teams in europe.The logistic was a mess.The had (I think) 8 amercan teams and 3 or 4 european Teams .In europe grows this sport a lot at this time and intrest at this teams.In the USA had nobody intrest at their teams not anybody in cities where they played The most Frankfurt Galaxy games are been sold out (62000)and in Ralaigh Durham were a attandence from 500 .The league was folded after 3 or 4 years after lack of money thats was not the european issue
I don't see how it can work. The travel is a nightmare. Taxes would be through the roof. No players would want to sign there. I would much rather give other US markets expansion teams. A few games in Europe a year is more than enough.
@@JonDoe-ln6nl You are in the extreme minority. The vast majority of players aren't going to want to play there with all of the additional travel, taxes, and distance from their friends and family.
An NFL team in Toronto would instantly be worth $4 Billion dollars. Canada would be perfect 🇨🇦 Toronto is a big time city, they love the NFL but not the Argo's sadly.
You obviously don't know that despite how massive Soccer is in the UK we have 4 other sports that are played on a retangular ground and 2 are very similar to Gridiron which is Rugby Union and Rugby League and then in Ireland they have Hurling and Gaelic Football. Also NFL Europe was a failure.
There is another reason why i dont think this will work, you mentioj London a lot in the video, and while i understand why you would gravitate to there, the UK has like 70 million people and most dont live in london, given the internal UK relationship London has with the rest of the country, making this a London exclusive thing will turn a lot of people outsode of the South East off, and this leads into a 2nd issue, sporting culture in the UK, its very tribal and regional.....there is no way in hell a group of people from say liverpool will support any team based in London, and to that, ypu may get some traction in say london, manchester ect large cities with a transient international population, but thats about it.....NFL Baseball ect is something we can access here in the UK, but in all honesty very few people care outside of big population centres. Most people outised of say manchester or London, in the towns that orbit those places have stronger connections to their local rugby team. I dont know but for the outlay it would need to be set up and what you would get in return, i dont think it would not be worth it,
I have a hybrid solution 4 divisions of 5, top 2 of each division advance. The east divisions will be 3/5ths European teams and some geographic realignments So it would go as follows AFC West ) chiefs, chargers, Texans, broncos, raiders AFC north) browns, Steelers, Bengals, ravens, bills AFC South) colts, dolphins, titans, Mexican expansion team, us southern expansion team AFC East) jets, Patriots, London jags, 2 additional European expansions NFC West) cowboys, niners, rams, Seahawks, cardinals NFC North) lions, Packers, bears, Vikings, eagles NFC South) falcons, Panthers, saints, bucs, st.louis expansion NFC East) giants, commanders, 3 European expansions
Do the Americans even consider if there is even demand for that sport in europe? Because I see wrong american analisis over and over again for at least 25 years since i have internet for why their favorite sport "is not that big" in europe, and than being "surprised" that another expansion attempt failed again. Maybe first ask yourself why would Euros buy your national schmuck to begin with. Americans clearly have other taste than europeans, if they didn't "soccer" would already be a mainstream in US. The same works the other way.
european league of football is probably going to be a developmental league. much like the nsfl. but ELF is more of a summer league. it would be really nice to watch the ELF grow into a professional football league that rivals the NFL and if that league grows to become just as powerful as the NFL, then the NFL ELF merger might happen one day. much like the NFL AFL merger.
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I’m surprised that the NFL hasn’t tried to move into Canada, Mexico, and/or Puerto Rico as they’re geographically closer and would seem the easier investment at least if the NFL is trying to go international imo
Canada def has a large NFL fan base but it would Kill the CFL, the NFL sees the CFL as a development league.
@@SpruceMoose-iv8un They have also said that they don't want to compete with the CFL and hurt the CFL in any way. IF they every expanded to Canada they would kill the CFL most of the teams would fold. Other Countries like Mexico and Puerto RIco have a lot of issues including taxes, nationalized TV and other security issues so they are not expanding there either.
@@scotttild Puerto Rico isn't a seperate country.
Mexico is so poor they aren't ever going to support a team. Or build a NFL caliber stadium. Same with Puerto Rico.
@@SpruceMoose-iv8un CFL should just go under the NFL banner as judging by the crowds it's sadly dying.
Tottenham Hotspur FC's home stadium was built with soccer and the NFL in mind. There are two separate playing surfaces, one for soccer and the other for American Football. The stadium also has home and away locker rooms for soccer and two other home and away locker rooms for the NFL teams
The reason why it makes more money is because it has way more commercial space!
Thank you! NFL fans always conveniently forget to say that! They also forget to mention how the teams don't pay taxes, how the owners build stadiums and practice headquarters with handouts from the governments.. Also they forget to say that European soccer teams have to pay half of their income in taxes alone as well as build their own stadiums.
@@leonblue864 You're welcome.
The NFL tried it before, and it flopped. "NFL Europe" lasted 13 seasons and lost millions of dollars.
Europeans enjoy soccer, not football. Stop trying to force them into liking it.
Exactly. NFL Europe was a complete flop. Quit trying to force a square peg into a round hole.
Playing internationally across continents has been tried before Super Rugby in the southern hemisphere expanded to teams in South America, Africa , Oceania and Asia . It never really worked , timezone issues , road trips , lack of traditional rivalry games all sorts
What you’re missing about putting a team in London is they would have to be competitive straight away and win otherwise interest would fade away once the initial buzz and interest has levelled off . Going 1-16 for a few seasons and watch that attendance drop off
The other major issue is that most NFL fans in the UK have ‘their’ teams already and so they aren’t just going to pivot to the London Team just like that ain’t gonna happen
Now to help with that you are going to need local boys playing in that team and that is a problem. Now there could be a few Rugby guys who might be able to transition but not many
So I agree about the NFL continuing these game 17 internationally like soccer does but you call it an advantage that the NFL plays real games rather than soccer that goes on preseason tours . Actually it’s the other way round Liverpool can play a preseason game in Melbourne Australia and 95000 show up
An NFL preseason game won’t draw close to that as its not a great spectacle and is disruptive so the NFL has to use regular season games to do the same
That’s a weakness not a strength
A home game is the most precious thing a team has in any sport and it should be sacred and never given up for anything
Most, if not all NFL fans living in the UK have been fans of their favourite teams since the 1980s, I don't think they'll give the sustained support to a new team or one that is placed there that they have given to the team they've been a fan of for a fair number of years. Many fans travel to the US to support the team they follow and have built up a raport with. They probably would only have at most a passing interest in a team implanted in the UK.
Have the every team play 1 game over in London every year.... 16 Games per Year in London... They can see if there's enough revenue to support atleast 1 Team in London... it fixes the odd number home/away game in the states...
A team here wouldn’t work because there’s no real desire for it. Sure there’s excitement because it’s a one off or 2 games a year, but there wouldn’t be a loyal following every other week generating 60-80k fans. And there’d be zero local talent breaking through. Brittany just don’t play NFL, we play football, rugby and cricket etc, and NFL will not breakthrough. It’s even on the decline in America.
You have no clue what you’re talking about 😂
@@AFCA-vn9bl why have they not launched a team yet? I will bet any amount of money it doesn’t work, and tbf, I don’t mind NFL. I’ve been to a couple of games in US, but there’s literally no interest here, other than a couple of spectacles every year. Where would they get players from? Second rate college players from America?
Decline in the US? Alright dude…
@@sunk5244 it is more people are playing Basketball, MMA, Skateboarding and soccer.. NFL style football is becoming like baseball. More for older boomer crown
Not to nit pick but the tax situation isn't anything. Players pay different taxes in each state and already pay different taxes just for that one game they play in Europe now.
1.4 million tickets theres 500k to 700k americans in germany 😂 thats why its a novelty sport in europe
The problems you discribed are not new .In 1990s the World League had same problems with there teams in europe.The logistic was a mess.The had (I think) 8 amercan teams and 3 or 4 european Teams .In europe grows this sport a lot at this time and intrest at this teams.In the USA had nobody intrest at their teams not anybody in cities where they played The most Frankfurt Galaxy games are been sold out (62000)and in Ralaigh Durham were a attandence from 500 .The league was folded after 3 or 4 years after lack of money thats was not the european issue
I remember that league. It didn't last long.
I don't see how it can work. The travel is a nightmare. Taxes would be through the roof. No players would want to sign there. I would much rather give other US markets expansion teams. A few games in Europe a year is more than enough.
Oh, I dunno ... I've lived in London as well as NY, LA, Washington, Paris, Bangkok, Tokyo ... and it's pretty f-ing attractive.
@@JonDoe-ln6nl You are in the extreme minority. The vast majority of players aren't going to want to play there with all of the additional travel, taxes, and distance from their friends and family.
An NFL team in Toronto would instantly be worth $4 Billion dollars.
Canada would be perfect 🇨🇦
Toronto is a big time city, they love the NFL but not the Argo's sadly.
4 billion would be at the bottom of the league
They don't want to kill the CFL and that would just about do it.
Yea . We could not care less about NFL. It’s about as appealing as stepping on a rusty needle.
You obviously don't know that despite how massive Soccer is in the UK we have 4 other sports that are played on a retangular ground and 2 are very similar to Gridiron which is Rugby Union and Rugby League and then in Ireland they have Hurling and Gaelic Football.
Also NFL Europe was a failure.
thank god
There is another reason why i dont think this will work, you mentioj London a lot in the video, and while i understand why you would gravitate to there, the UK has like 70 million people and most dont live in london, given the internal UK relationship London has with the rest of the country, making this a London exclusive thing will turn a lot of people outsode of the South East off, and this leads into a 2nd issue, sporting culture in the UK, its very tribal and regional.....there is no way in hell a group of people from say liverpool will support any team based in London, and to that, ypu may get some traction in say london, manchester ect large cities with a transient international population, but thats about it.....NFL Baseball ect is something we can access here in the UK, but in all honesty very few people care outside of big population centres. Most people outised of say manchester or London, in the towns that orbit those places have stronger connections to their local rugby team. I dont know but for the outlay it would need to be set up and what you would get in return, i dont think it would not be worth it,
I have a hybrid solution 4 divisions of 5, top 2 of each division advance. The east divisions will be 3/5ths European teams and some geographic realignments
So it would go as follows
AFC West ) chiefs, chargers, Texans, broncos, raiders
AFC north) browns, Steelers, Bengals, ravens, bills
AFC South) colts, dolphins, titans, Mexican expansion team, us southern expansion team
AFC East) jets, Patriots, London jags, 2 additional European expansions
NFC West) cowboys, niners, rams, Seahawks, cardinals
NFC North) lions, Packers, bears, Vikings, eagles
NFC South) falcons, Panthers, saints, bucs, st.louis expansion
NFC East) giants, commanders, 3 European expansions
There's no way that works with a European team bundled together with a bunch of US teams.
Do the Americans even consider if there is even demand for that sport in europe? Because I see wrong american analisis over and over again for at least 25 years since i have internet for why their favorite sport "is not that big" in europe, and than being "surprised" that another expansion attempt failed again. Maybe first ask yourself why would Euros buy your national schmuck to begin with. Americans clearly have other taste than europeans, if they didn't "soccer" would already be a mainstream in US. The same works the other way.
Personally I think they should move 2 current teams over to Europe then add 4 new teams. Make the NFL 6 divisions of 6.
So who fills the divisions vacated by the 2 teams that leave?
european league of football is probably going to be a developmental league. much like the nsfl. but ELF is more of a summer league. it would be really nice to watch the ELF grow into a professional football league that rivals the NFL and if that league grows to become just as powerful as the NFL, then the NFL ELF merger might happen one day. much like the NFL AFL merger.
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