Why Isn't Central America One Country?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ค. 2023
- Ever wonder why Central America isn't one country, like all its larger neighbors? Well, 200 years ago that used to be the case...
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There was the odd case of Chiapas, the only Central American region that decided to stay with Mexico.
The department of El Petén in Guatemala could also be Mexican, but the Mexican government in those years rejected the proposal for that territory for reasons that I don't remember and had to stay with Guatemala since they could not progress on their own since they did not have a maritime coast.
Honestly, Mexico would look more attractive on the map, in addition to probably taking better advantage of the resources of that territory that unfortunately Guatemala has not been able to rescue.
Chiapas has had history of ceding from Mexico multiple times before to become independent. Mexico has had wars against Chiapas every century it seems.
@@Trancymind honestly Chiapas is only like that because of the indigenous population and if the Chiapan population were to be mestizo and white it would probably be safer
As it should be 😊
@@ghfero29thank god, no one wants cerotes
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When's the next video?
I haven’t even started watching this, but I got excited, because almost no one talks about this topic, at least in English channels
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Fun fact, of the 5 original countries, Costa Rica has always been the odd one out.
The Flag, the lack of a dictatorship/civil war in the cold war and its relative stability kind of confuses the other countries Since it was the least populus of the 5 and with the fewest resources.
Edit: Jesus Christ, this is the most responses i have ever gotten in a comment :0
Honduras didn't have a civil war during the cold war
@patagonianpaintResources Factor didn't curse them since they don't really have one
In the early twentieth century, Costa Rica abolished their army and created a constitution that put peace first before anything. A group of university students even successfully sued the government after their declared support of Bush’s invasion of Iraq because it went against the constitution.
Nothing to fight over and noone to fight
@@d_all_in and now they win with ecotourism.
Love seeing someone talk about a region I care so much about ! Hearing my country (El Salvador) being mentioned more than once in a video is so refreshing.
Nothing short of either Space Colonization or Catholic Church paying TRILLIONS in Reparations or Time-Travel will save Latin America
@@ems4884considering our nations' histories with dictatorships, foreign interference, crime, and corruption, it's a miracle our governments even pretend to be democratic. Every country has its issues, and while we have common challenges and goals, there is no guarantee that "unity" won't just mean a larger sized dictatorship, oligarchy, or narcostate. And this doesn't even touch the subject of land distribution and disparities of power between the different nations. Put bluntly, everyone would love to get together, but no one would agree on a leader.
El Salvador on top 🔝🇸🇻🇸🇻
@@ems4884 Latin America has a lot of potential, but none of them get along. Everyone thinks they're better than one another. I'm surprised that Mexico has remained in one piece.
@@ems4884I feel like Costa Rica and Costa Ricans in general are not interested on joining as a Central American Nation. Nicaragua is anti democratic so there goes another nation out of the picture. Guatemala is very corrupted and with a poor infrastructure and school as well. Belize is the most alien country of all Central America due to a different culture as a former british colony. Honduras has so many issues right now that it is leaning strongly to China just like Nicaragua. El Salvador is doing their own thing in their own way in a more modernized mindset on how to govern itself in order to prosper without destroying the environment of their country.
Salvadoran here, thanks so much for doing a video on this small region! Its so overlooked, an informative perspective is much appreciated!
Im also Salvadoreño or Salvadoran
You got me with the Colombia/France comparison before I realized that was just French Guiana, not European France.
Then I looked up their sizes and Colombia is still TWICE the size of France! Sacre bleu!
Colombia is a bigger than any European country but only Russia
I just realized it aswell,God damn some countries are alot bigger than the map would have you believe,though the upside is that not all of Colombia is hospitable land,they have alot of desert and very mountainous territory which isnt all that useful. 1000 km of steppe or forest is better than 100 000 km of desert.
Countries in the new world are huge and we don't even notice since they are:
1: Far away from european and asian countries so you can't dimension them properly
2: Close to Canada, America, Mexico, Brazil and Argentina, which makes them seem a lot smaller.
New Zealand has this same perception hole, it's much bigger than people generally eyeball it to be.
As a Colombian i can confirm.
Our country is huge but when you consider our geography there are big caveats like...
The Andes cuts our country in half but still manages to cover a big part of our territory.
Considering major populated cities developed in the center of the countrty between the mountains it made road connection to the coast and neighbouring countries harder and in the case of Panama impossible.
The southeast of the country is basically just rainforest with no major urban areas and most towns being so disconnected the only way to get to them is by plane or maybe using some river.
Fun fact tho, given our mountain terrain, Colombia produced the first latino-american to win the Tour de France and the Giro d'Itali.
people often overlook the fact that Colombia is the second most populous nation in south america, and the second most populous spanish speaking nation in the world
Something that drives a giant wedge against complete Central American integration is the huge difference in income and human development between Costa Rica and Panama and the other Central American countries. Costa Rica and Panama have a GDP per capita of 13K and 17K respectively while Nicaragua and Honduras have a GDP per capita of 2K and 3K.
The problem is that Costa Rica has had some questionable germanic migration around 1945, which they like to boast about.
@@glasseyes5844 Really, I'm costarican and didn't know that😒.
We did got a lot of German migrations but that is just a racist statement. As a fellow centroamerican mentioned, Guatemala got even more Germans. The difference between Costa Rica and Central America is that we had a socialist government in the 1949 that wasn’t taken down by the US. The rest of CA also tried and they got a fascist dictatorship by the US. That’s the main difference
But imagine what could happen if they got past that fact and unified? Yes things won’t be easy in the beginning, but you have to go through the struggle to get to the brighter side.
@@XochitlHernandezTX we are talking about percentages bro, Guatemala is a 16 million country and Costa Rica just 5 million, and is second after Guatemala and first in percentages, but yeah in any case we had more jewish migration because we are the second in latinamerica after Argentina
"but all that changed when the French nation attacked." 😂
The moment I heard that I was like “Oh my god” 😆
Whom and when did France attack?
I am going to visit El Salvador next week, and it’s probably obvious and talked about in this video, and there are so many problems each of these countries have that combining today is not happening soon, also rivalries too.
make sure to be prepared to remove bullets from yourself, and if you can, save some ransom money.
lmao just kidding, enjoy your trip!
President Bukele jailed all the criminals. It’s extremely safe now
@@mapache-ehcapam fr. there is a reason most visiting the country are visiting family or the tourist safe areas
@@pptenshi3900most tourists of every country stay in tourist areas lol
What I got from this video is that Central America was basically Yugoslavia, minus the very bloody wars when it dissolved.
Yugoslavia also seemed like a good idea on paper... just the 1000's of years of history made unification a tad ugly.
Central America has a lot less history to worry about.
No, its not yugoslavia at all. Bad comparison. All central americans speak the same language and are christians. Yugoslavia on the other hand has islam, and christians, and other languages.
Nah bro, it really is similar you just wanna cry about it for some reason.
1st: pretty much the same language.
2nd:a couple of rich countries, a populated one and an unstable one.
3rd: Slight differences among them.
Sure, I agree it's definitely easier to unify Central America thn Yugoslavia, but the comparison makes sense.
No. Unlike Yugoslavia, we are all literally the exact same genetically. We speak with identical accents. I think a Nicaraguan peasant and a Nicaraguan bus driver are more different from each other than a Salvadorian bus driver and a Nicaraguan bus driver. That's to say, we are one people, separated into 5 countries for the sake of keeping us poor and desperate
@@planescapedWhat Yugoslavia went through is nothing compared to what Central America went through. Religion wasn't a big issue nor race ideology in Central America. Also central americans as people get along pretty well like good neighbors.
I love seeing many Salvadorans here! As one as well (who was born in the US) I love videos like this cuz it helps me learn more about this wonderful region! Thanks for making a video like this!
I've met an Honduran that likes the idea of a Union but also a Salvadoran that completely opposes it. Me personally I see a great opportunity for development in the area and an expansion of the criminal crackdown going on in El Salvador to rid the area of violent crime and also the end of the dictatorship in Nicaragua. Though definitely by far the biggest complaints come from Costa Rica since they're the country that is most well off and would have to share its wealth to the less developed parts.
In order to develop further they'd have to appeal to their neighbors and to the world as an up and coming regional power
Coming from the Caribbean this reminds me of an idea to unite the Antilles into a union
¡Viva Morazán!
If Nicaragua is a dictatorship, I don't even wanna know what the rest of Centroamérica is. I do agree that it should unify or at least those countries should work more together
The criminal carckdown in El Salvador came at the expense of democracy, individual freedoms and the Institutions of the State. That's something a country like Costa Rica will never accept.
El Salvador only upped its safety by throwing human rights to the wayside in the process. Not sure others would be down to do the same.
@@pedrosampaio7349The rest are republics. Nicaragua is a dictatorship with left leanings tendencies.
@@bmac4It isn't like the goverment wants that to be the new normal or the new status quo. They want to sentence the 65000+ that were arrested and after they have a sentence end the suspension of Constitutional rights. The only reaao they haven't ended the State of exception is because if they ended the suspension of Constitutional rights right now they would have to free 90% of the people that were arrested, because they have been in prision longer that the amount of time the Constitution authorises without a State of exception. They recently approved collectives cases for the crimes of being a terrorist and ilicit organizatión to be able to increase the speed at wich the court system gives sentence to this people, because at the old speed they would had to wait for 2 more years to be able to end the State of exceptión.
As a Central American (mostly salvadorian) I’m glad to see that people know that we exist
2:43 "Everything changed when France attacked." Nice Avatar reference there, KhAnubis.
So as you mentioned, the Central American flags today have similar colors and style to the Federal Republic/United Provinces of Central America flag, but why did the Federal Republic/United Provinces of Central America flag choose that style in the first place? The hint is in its original name, United Provinces. The United Provinces of the Río de la Plata, the predecessor of Argentina. A French guy named Hipólito Bouchard, who was serving under the Argentine Navy, raided the Spanish outposts located there during the Argentine war for Independence and the people would see that flag and view it as their liberated flag, so they took it as an inspiration.
The man even raided Spanish settlements in California! Like in Monterey, what was at the time the capital of Alta California. After an attack on the fort there failed on the night of November 23rd, 1818, they made it on land the next day and the Spanish forces were no match. For five days, an Argentine flag was raised over Monterey. He was killed by one of his servants in 1837 in Peru.
Well the white color represents the land, and the blue reperesents the two oceans, while the army shield has 5 volcanos that represents the five provinces, and is also a reference of the many volcanos in the region.
Interesting, thank you. I don’t know much about Central America. Maybe more in the future?
Check out stuff on the banana wars if you want to know what happened next.
it always felt weird looking at the map of North America, seeing the 3 giant nations of Canada, the US and Mexico, then the island nations of Cuba, the Bahamas, and the split nations of Haiti and the Dominican Republic...and then you just see a dozen tiny ass nations in Central America
That's like going into a zoo, seeing an Elephant, a White Rhino and a Bull Moose, and right after them you see the hamsters
This is such a silly metaphor 💀 but I like it
El Salvador is like a honey badger, it is the smallest but also the courageous one who loves to rebel against bigger opponents. Costa Rica is the sloth, who doesn't like to say anything nor fight. Mexico is a big animal that barks but runs away if they get hit once anywhere on their body. Panama is an adoptive animal from a different foreign place. Guatemala is an animal follower like a dog who is less intelligent than a typical cat. Honduras is like a stray cat that has a lot of fleas and ticks inside their ears, very chaotic and unstable. USA is the zookeeper.
@@Trancymindwe get it you’re a cerote 🤣
@@TrancymindLol please mexico backing down, cmon I already know you’re Central American.
@@christianrivera6296Yup, Mexico barks and are experts at losing battles and territory. Facts. The problem with mexicans you guys have big egoes and you sir is no exception.
very well explained video, all ff ot was correct. As a Costarican I give this a 10/10
I've always wondered about this and it's hard to find it addressed directly. Thanks!
as a guatemalan thank you for mentioning our part of the world
when i play hoi4, i often find myself playing as el salvador and making the central american empire.
Might join that Discord. Been a while since I watched your content.
Thank you. A suggestion: I kept having to rewind because the lovely graphics panned so quickly I couldn't take it all in. e.g. France for reference
I'm honoured to have my idea made into a video, And a very good one at that!
In Costa Rica we only celebrate independence from Spain, not Central America. It’s odd because we sorta killed the federation and aren’t really united with the rest of Central America, maybe Panama. Also, I personally believe the Central American federation should come back, just not under Bukele.
Heck no bukele is the best thing central america has
Same in Honduras, we only celebrate independence from Spain, although independence from the mexican empire gets mentioned in school. And i agree on central america coming together, just not under bukele
@@marioesteli9510 well screw y'all, we will be independent But bukele will stay
@@corymiller536 na q horror, costa rica es un país decente, en el salvador tuvieron q llegar a ese extremo por q son incivilizados. no soy de costa rica
@@Androbott me vale verga costa rica, ahora esta mas seguro el salvador que costa pobre , muchos crimenes en costa pobre
I think there are some missunderstandings regarding the borders with mexico. The state of chiapas was originally part of the federation, after they joined mexico, they decided to stay there and not secede. All exept the south or the Soconusco region. Los altos was a region located in the now country of Guatemala with the capital in Quetzaltenango.
Los altos became a state, it qas granted statehood while the Federal Republic existed.
@@lucario2188 Yes, it became a state but its territory was mainly in todays Guatemala. Territories like the north (Peten) were also kinda disputed, as it was the full length of Belize (thats why there is still a conflict today). Also, there was the Miskito kingdom as well. All the borders at that time were quite volatile.
I like this video I love thank you for putting the region of the Spotlight. If you're able you should go to El Salvador which has changed a lot in the last couple years.🎉
The Los Altos part is very interesting. Los Altos existed within the Federal Republic of Central America as its sixth state separate from Guatemala from 1838 to 1840, and then a short-lived independent republic from 1848 to 1849. While you're right a part of it is within Mexico's Chiapas, part is also still within Guatemala. The state originated from the political differences and tensions between Guatemala City on one side, and Quetzaltenango and other parts of western Central America on the other. Los Altos was also the most productive region with most economic activity within Guatemala. So without Los Altos, Guatemala knew they'd lose many benefits that held their hegemony.
As the Federation crumbled into civil war due to the influence of the Guatemalan conservatives and the regular clergy, Los Altos declared itself an independent republic. The independence of Los Altos from Guatemala was officially proclaimed in February 1838, but Guatemala got its revenge. In April 1838, they sent Rafael Carrera to subdue them. In March 1840, liberal caudillo Francisco Morazán invaded Guatemala with 1,500 soldiers to avenge what happened in Los Altos and fearing that such action would end liberal efforts to hold together the federation. Carrea hatched a strategic plan that defeated Francisco, and he took it on Los Altos by having their liberal officials shot and forcibly annexed into Guatemala
I've seen you so much in comment sections lol
*Guatemala did the right thing
They wanted to weaken Guatemala by trying to split the country in 2. Both the salvadorans and hondurans can't be trusted. Bukele wants to try again. The f#cker even wanted us to secede our Caribbean coast to them.... our neighbors are not our brothers. They are parasites waiting for us to fall asleep in order to move in.*
I'm Salvadoran, and to be honest I don't think even Central Americans quite understands how CA-4 border control works. When I lived in El Salvador, I used to travel to Guatemala quite often as I have relatives there. Some years I would be able to go through by only stopping and showing my ID card without even leaving my car. Sometimes I'd have to get off my car and make a line, but still show only my ID card. Other times I had to show specifically my passport.
I never really bothered to learn what caused all this variation but I can imagine it being slightly troublesome for tourists travelling by land that do not speak the language.
Also, having to exchange money in every single country makes it infinitely less convenient than travelling in Europe. I know Schengen and the Eurozone are not the same thing, but you really do need both for that amazing seamless travel experience.
Those islands above honduras we're part of the British empire and also the east coast of Honduras and west of Nicaragua. Its called the Miskito coast. We still speak English to this day
That land was never British land it was local or natives land they came to stole it a stolen item never will be yours totally.
I’ve been waiting for this video
I just traveled across Central America. Incredible, you’ll love it
I highly recommend a trip down to this region. I've been to every country except for Belize and Panama, and it's just so beautiful. If you like nature, history, or food, there's something for everyone. And despite what the media says, I felt safe the entire time. Hot springs, great hikes, beautiful beaches - Central America has it all. Plus the people are so lovely!
I have just been to hungary serbia and bosnia but austria and UK are my trip plans
As a salvadoran, I would like to see this happen.
Same here
you speak as if the US state department and the CIA would allow it.. They would sabotage the hell out of it
Same as a Honduran, American
ahora dilo en español
It’s never gonna happen. The only way that this could happen is cleaning Nicaragua of any Ortega corruption and Honduran corruption and crime. Costa Rica and Panamá would not associate with the rest of the countries and leave all the years they’ve had peace.
Great video.
Okay, the image at 4:46 is just amazing. lol
As a belizean I know my people like 60% can speak Spanish and the rest can’t really we are no different than other Central American countries shout-out to the rest of Central American people who acknowledge us ❤️ Siempre con belice !! I would love to see my country fall in the union my leaders are corrupt and dumb I could care less about the British and the west we should reside with our Hispanic brothers in my opinion
Honestly as a Guatemalan I’m conflicted. I wish Belice the best and if that means being independent then good for them. Being together?? I don’t like that idea either since Guatemala is just as corrupt. It would be nice but it’s hard to choose. Should Guatemala eliminate its own corruption. MAYBE, but I digress. Lots of nuances to take into account
He doesn’t want Belize to join Guatemala 😂. He wants Belize to join Central America if it becomes a country. I’m Guatemalan and there’s no point in having Belize a a territory if the state can’t even handle itself. Only the federation could help Belize.
@@katjerouac ustedes pisados sí son vende patrias va 💀 en ese caso regalemos todo el país excepto Guatemala, Belice no va a empeorar si es anexado a Guatemala
Epic honduras cameo
As a Colombian i really enjoyed this, excellent job bro
4:23 That sound really made me panic. Well done.
0:23 “A bunch of tiny little countries” While even the smallest one El Salvador is bigger than Israel 😂
Most of them are bigger than any average central european country, it's crazy tbh.
El Salvador is about the same size as the state of Massachusetts. Very small country.
@@Trancymind but you would never say that any average European country is a “very small country”, my point is people think third world countries are tiny but when it comes to first world countries they think they are huge, and the only huge first world countries are the US, Canada, Australia and maybe Denmark because of Greenland. That’s it.
@@geografisica Vatican City, Monaco, Luxembourg, Lietchtstein, Faroe Islands are not small countries, they are midget countries. El Salvador is the Tom thumb of the americas. Fact!! Ask ANY salvadoran person and they will say 'El Salvador es el pulgarcito'. What I love about the salvadorans is that they are honest and humble.
@@Trancymind A Real size earth globe is free on Google Earth… ;)
I don't know about Central America as a whole but I think Costa Rica + Panama would be a good country together. They are the most well off in Central America.
El Salvador is another country on the rise. They will be debt free by 2026. Their economy is growing and it is the safest country in the western hemisphere.
Nah
@@Trancymindit's impossible that El Salvador finished his debt by 2026 because right now they're the most in debt county of the whole Central America with more than 70% of their GDP
❤😮😮 nice vid
Good question video
Love from a Guatemalan ! 😁🇬🇹
🖕🏽🖕🏽Guatemala 🇬🇹 💩💩
@@CrazySe7enDon’t mind him paisano, he’s one of those changos aplastados from Belize. Viva Guate 🇬🇹🇬🇹🇬🇹
Somethings to correct...
1. In the maps you don't include Belize in the territory of the Central America Republic and the Viceroyalty of New Spain which should be included since Belize was a Illegal British settlement just as the Misquito Protectorate and the Bay Islands... Belize was legitimized later and the Misquito Protectorate and the Bay Islands where given back to Honduras and Nicaragua when they where supposed to be annexed to the USA.
2. The Captaincy of Guatemala was granted independance in the treaty of Iguala signed by the last Viceroy O'donojú. It is just the the Guatemalan elite wanted to take advantage of the situation and decided to distance themselfs from the Government in Mexico until Agustin de Iturbide forced them to unite to the Empire in favor of what most of Central America wanted.
Aside from that good video. Thanks for covering this wonderful and interesting region. With a really short video which I know was done to your best ability.
El Salvador was the only country/province in Central America that didn't want to be part of the Mexican Empire and fought the invading guatemalan (mexican allies) for their independence and pulled an upset and defeated the guatemalan troops. When the mexicans started their invasion against El Salvador, El Salvador wanted to be part of USA as a state instead. The exhausted salvadoran troops fought for their independence against the Mexican empire and were defeated. Mexican troops controlled El Salvador for only 18 months and they eventually left never to control El Salvador ever again.
6:11 "the flags are still influenced by the once federation" costa rica in the corner with a clearly strong influence from the france flag looking quietly
Also, my parents are from Honduras, so I got extra excited when I saw this
But you aren't?
I can see this country form again but without Costa Rica and Belize
I think it broke up naturally due to the geography. These are essentially city states.
But then again what isn’t 😂
7:05 good pronunciation 👍🏽
Ok but that Discord leaving clip is so accurate though-
As a Central American, I'll warn you not to go to Central America unless it's the very safe touristic areas.
I would love to see these countries unify again, we don't need to include Costa Rica or Panama since they don't seem interested, but for the rest, it'd be nice to unite so that the governments could combine their resources to help with the rampant crime and poverty and improve education
exan a los mas ricos XD
It's not that we're not interested, we've just worked out our crime and corruption a little bit more, mind you, just a little, not as much as one would like. The problem is you guys have way to rich rich people, and they've been screwing the poor for centuries now, forcing them to migrate to the US and the be turned back after being forced into criminal life by US racist policies (you know the ones that feed their prison system full of POC), and now you guys up north have to deal with a lot of violent street gangs, but no, we too dream of a United Central America...
Que vivan los catrachos, chapines, pinoleros, ticos y salvadoreños! Algún día volveremos a cantar juntos como hermanos! (Y también los panameños, aunque ellos tienden a verse más sureños 😉)
Dude, the crime isn't that bad nowadays. Nicaragua is pretty safe as long as you avoid politics and pissing off the dictator and crime in el Salvador is down quite a lot too. Guatemala and Honduras also have large areas that are safe (and yes, touristy).
Dude El Salvador is nowadays safer than the US 😂
I’ve been to Guatemala so many times it’s not that bad unless you catch attention and not go out like the locals, you’ll be fine but most people go to the touristic destinations anyways which I didn’t go because I went with my family
As a Guatemalan I dream to see Central America come together again to be a single nation or a union similar to European Union
Trust me you better not want that. EU is basically USSR 2.0 (sort of).
I see foundation of Switzerland as better example, it was mostly voluntry loose confederation until half of 19th century and still is one of the most decentralized countries. Also the EU is one of the reasons freedom of swiss people is descreasing over the time.
Most Central Americans don't want to be part of Guatemala due to the fact Guatemala has had a reputation throughout its history as being Mexicos pet.
You don’t want that Guatemala is peaceful and beautiful. All the Hondurans would ruin it. 95% of them are garbage gangsters and chriminals
No. European Union is a union between very different countries with their own languages and cultures and takes up almost an entire continent. Different scale.
Central America has to be a federation like Mexico or the United States. Central Americans are one and the same.
@@katjerouacBut differently politically which is why it split many times before and still is today. Nicaragua is like a communist country while Honduras is becoming more as well.
The eu4 rebellion sound had me instinctively attempt to tab back to a game i wasn't playing.
Good question
This would definitely reduce hoi4 lag
I hope that prosperity and tranquility comes to Central America someday
¡Dios, Unión, Libertad!
Remove the "Dios" though. We need a secular state.
@@wave1090Christianity is an important part of our history. We can be a secular state and recognize the important role Christianity has plays in most of our citizenry's lives.
@@abnertrinidadmartinez4789recognize it, but keep it in history only. Religion is archaic.
@@ToutCQJMboorrringgg
@@ToutCQJMpiss off
Saludo y Abrazos desde San Salvador 💙💙💙
I never realized the play on “Cannabis” with your name. Fellow toker !
It’s crazy to think that only El Salvador could pull of making the other countries one.
It is crazy. Have you met Ortega in Nicaragua? Bukele has nothing on him 😅
And remember, El Salvador was the only country that stayed after the independence of the Federal Republic of Central America. There was no country left only El Salvador
The main reason why the united central america didn't last long because they're was a series of separatism and as a result guatemala, honduras, el salvador and honduras became independent.
Not separatism, but the regional elites wanted their own fiefdom to rule autocratically without the government intervening
Conservatives vs liberals was the main problem. Well the conservative elites like the clan of aycinena or something like that
That's not an explanation.
7:30 no, it means that you only need your ID to go to the four members countries if you are a citizen of one of the countries.
Interesting stuff. Most of my family comes from central so I like to learn about it but i really dont give a crap about it in the end. Should have stayed as one with Mexico or kept united
7:05 The objective of SICA isn't to achieve political integration, but economic integration. The idea was that if economic integration was achieved this will inevitable lead to political integration on his own. I don't know why you mentioned the CA-4 treaty that is like a minor thing of the thing that SICA has enabled Central America to do in terms of integration.
Funnily enough, Costa Rica never tried to leave Spain for some reason
The reason is because they often forgot Costa Rica existed, it was the most far away part of the major cities of the Capitanía General and it’s products were also produced by other territories.
3:58 Wrong!!! Belize was a guatemalan territory at the time.
Guatemalan here. People in Guatemala reject the idea of a Central American union, specially due to the rivalry with Costa Rica and the economic difference compared to Honduras or Nicaragua. And most recently, people feel afraid of El Salvador’s president, who is kind of building a totalitarian state without the citizens realizing. So yeah, it would be difficult for it to happen. Though Bukele has stated in the past that he would be willing to reunite Central America under a one flag, which is kinda scary for someone to say it.
Salvadoran here. Dunno if afraid is really the word. I agree with you that he is in fact propping up an, as of this moment, publically approved dictatorship (which, while I like his tough on crime stance, I am not in favor of unchecked executive power). However, I feel that many in the region, including Guatemala, have been alarmingly supportive of these policies.
I don't think Guatemala would like to join a union for much of the same reasons El Salvador and Honduras would: we are each too proud of our own culture's to give up individual sovereignty and we are rightfully skeptical of our politicians enough as it is without needing to bring new ones into the mix. And even if we weren't, trying to have any of us agree on a leader would be like pulling teeth.
That said, I have alot of love and respect for our cultural siblings and wish you all the best.
Viva Guatemala.
@@JanusXAlvarenga I truly appreciate the respectfulness of your opposing point of view. It’s such a joy to have the opportunity to participate in these open discussions with people like you.
@@t.miranda176 Thanks, man. Disagreements are a great opportunity for two parties to learn, they just need good folks willing to listen. Take care.
Damn, we have a rivalry with Costa Rica? I didn’t know that, usually I ignore their opinions lol They remind me of a lot like those tiny barking chihuahuas
@@rokosbasilisk913Costa Rica Rica is definitely the chihuahua because how smaller the country is compared to Guatemala and the fact that Guatemala has 3 times the population of Costa Rica AND Chihuahua and Costa Rica starts with the letter 'C' just like in spanish.
7:47 You should MOST DEFINITELY visit Central America 🤙🏽
I’ve never been in San Salvador but it seems pretty safe now with Bukele.
Central America share the same heritage and cultures together so the only thing that would really stop a union state from happening is the governments of each respective state not wanting to give up power to another although that wouldn’t even be an issue they become a federation.
Specially Nicaragua and El Salvador.
This video doesnt cover at all the full scope of the foreign interventions and coups backed by usa,Im not saying thats thats only thing that kept and keeps them apart but it played a major role,from the 30s to today latin american didnt have it easy. As a wise man said:
"War is a racket" -Smedley Butler
Go to El Salvador. It’s amazing and relatively cheap. Also, they use the American dollar so you won’t have to worry about an exchange rate
Actually, September 16th 1810 is not the real independence date of México, but September 21 1821. September 16 Is the conmemoration of the begining of the fight...which in the begining wasnt about independence at all.
Only half of belize during that time was British
Proud to be from Central America, Honduras 🇭🇳
Its North America dude. Dont let us Americans categorize you differently because of a sense of superiority.
@@FelixMCFrosty Honduras is in Central America. And it should be proud to be so. North America is Canada, Mexico and the U.S.
@@FelixMCFrostywe like to be called central americans
@@tentalz1590 w.e floats your boat 👍
Theyll probably unite again eventually though; although, I feel Panama could be against it because in the last 20 years thanks to their canal and its financial sector that country has started to move very serious money and will in a few decades become rich AF (compared it gdp growth to the other CA countries).
Nope
"There was once a dream that was Gran Colombia"
-Simon Bolivar
I think a video on another set of countries trying to unify would be great. East Africa has been trying for decades at this point.
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Avatar reference!
Please allow me to point out a slight imprecision regarding the state of Los Altos, the short-lived 6th State of Central America. It was constituted in what today is the southwestern part of Guatemala, with its capital city in Quetzaltenango, which wanted to emancipate from the rest of Guatemala. (The map makes Los Altos appear as part of the current territory of Chiapas and Tabasco) There can be some confusion because the current borders between Mexico and Guatemala were not defined but until the 1880s. Regarding Chiapas, it used to have two internal political divisions: Ciudad Real and Soconusco. Both held a referendum in 1823 and decided to stay a part of Mexico. However, the results of the referendum in Soconusco are contested to this day by some historians, said to have been fraudulent to favor the interests of Ciudad Real. This would have given a substantial part of the coast of Chiapas to Guatemala, or to the State of Los Altos, should it have survived.
Damm... Never realized how big Nicaragua is!
I imagine that any sovereign state really appreciates being called somebody else's yard.
Your Central American Federal Republic Borders are based on modern day borders, you omitted Belize and the Mexican state of Chiapas
The republic extended to bocas del toro and chiriqui in Panama
Evergreen, Mt Pleasant, Silver Creek.
As a Salvadoran, it would be difficult to reunify Central America in one country due to geopolitical reasons as El Salvador improves, Guatemala and Honduras would had no problem with reunification, but Nicaragua has a political difference with Ortega Dictatorship, and Costa Rica has been developed as the highest HDI of the region and it would be unlikely to reunify four countries in one for approximately two centuries.
If one day five countries accept the Central American union, it would be shared the fate as Germany, Costa Rica would look down to other countries, and if any ethnicity doesn’t accept as Central American it would shared fate as Yugoslavia just like between 1838 and 1840.
I hope people of Central America have a huge chance to enjoy peacefully with Central American reunification, once all five countries accept this.
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Central America was first a part of the first Mexican Empire. They broke off from Mexico because the people of Central America did not want to be represented by someone hundreds of miles away in Mexico City. Chiapas was the only region that wanted to stay a part of Mexico. Also, in your map you show Florida being a part of the first Mexican empire, it was not. By the time Mexico gained independence, the Spanish had already lost Florida to the US.
Two years read the history,but they regret to be with crazy Iturbide a d divide like it's know
Also Belize is not a country is consider a colony now and it used to be part of Guatemala
With El Salvador making huge changes, I’m hoping that it opens doors for a possible reunification
Tbh I'd love to see Central America unite but I believe all the nations have to fix their delinquency problem and stabilize their eceonomies in order to entice a country like Costa Rica to join. Bukele has the right idea(desperate times call for desperate measures). If all the other countries follow his model and Central America can become an economic hub then one day Costa Rica may join as well, and it could be a relatively influential regional power.
Central America doesn’t have to entice costs rica or Panama in anything. As an example, just because a large nation like Mexico has its problems, some states worse than others, doesn’t mean they should all separate and fix their problems on their own. Same in the in the United States. Some states are more poor and more violent than others, but in a Federation, the free market gives people a chance to choose where they live and what industry they want to work in. Also GDP growth would increase significantly as there are no borders and no need to exchange currencies.
Even without Costa Rica and Panama, Centralamerica would still benefit as one country. Costa Rica Panama and Mexico as their main trading partners.
@@katjerouac I see what you mean, and I agree as well. The federation would help to stabilize the region, and as one nation each Central American nation can specialize according to their comparative advantage. Personally, as a Central American nationalist I would like to see Costa Rica as part of the nation for historical reasons. I'm indifferent towards Panama but they would be welcome to join if they were to ever petition to join(highly doubtful until the federation begins to see success).
As costa rican I gonna say you have a good pronunciation of spanish and we the costa ricans don't like the idea to reunite our country with rest of central american countries, principally for the security problem that they have.
El Salvador crime rates is lower than Costa Ricas.
Yeah, but they still need to each them in terms of economy, health, and democracy
@@Trancymind And I'm not sure about if that is real, I now they president's works for the security but the Salvatruchas are in El Salvador yet, so it could vary so much
Perdón compatriota si es que usted realmente lo es, pero ningún costarricense y recalcó."ninguno" piensa igual que usted, lo cual me hace reflexionar si usted es lo que dice. Respetamos a nuestros hermanos centroameicanis, les admiramos un par de cosas, pero el despotismo de sus gobernantes.no es una de ellos, ni el comunismo de la regente Hondureña, ni el totalitarismo del déspota Nicaragüense, ni la dictadura de derecha del.señor Bukele lo cual estamos desde todo punto de vista obligados a respetar porque él gobierna El Salvador como El Salvador quiere ser gobernado y si ese es el estilo que al hermano Pueblo le gusta, entonces este debe ser respetado, más no imitado. Los Ticos como Pueblo en extremo educado sabemos de la maxima: ",...Los Pueblos que no recuerdan su pasado están co dejados a repetir sus mismis errores eternamente,..." y con esto invitamos a nuestros hermanos a recordar la época de su expresidente "Martinez", una copia al carbon (respetando sus diferencias), el destino final de tal exgobernante debería llamarlos a reflexión. Eso sin tomar en cuenta que las acciones del señor Bukele son muy eficaces para atacar los efectos de la tremenda cto.i salidas en dicho país, pero y las causas de esa criminalidad, las acciones de su Gobierno también han cubierto este tópico? Entonces quizás deberíamos ser.mas cautelosos a la hora de ensalzar a quien aún no termina su labor, motivos todos ellos por los que los Ticos somos por demás recelosos de una hipotética e irrealizable Unión Centroamericana a la cual les insentivamos si es que así lo desean los demás países, pero en este aspecto preferimos "ver los toros desde la barrera", y dándonos golpes de pecho les recordamos a todos ustedes: ",...es mejor cada uno en su casa y Dios en la de todos,..."🇨🇷🕊
Sorry compatriot if you really are, but no Costa Rican and he stressed "none" thinks like you, which makes me reflect if you are what you say. We respect our Central American brothers, we admire them for a couple of things, but the despotism of their rulers is not one of them, nor is the communism of the Honduran ruler, nor the totalitarianism of the Nicaraguan despot, nor the right-wing dictatorship of Mr. Bukele. which we are from every point of view obliged to respect because he governs El Salvador as El Salvador wants to be governed and if that is the style that brother Pueblo likes, then it must be respected, but not imitated. We Ticos, as an extremely educated People, know the maxim: ",... Peoples who do not remember their past are doomed to repeat their same mistakes forever,..." and with this we invite our brothers to remember the time of their former president "Martinez", a carbon copy (respecting their differences), the final fate of such a former ruler should call them to reflection. This without taking into account that Mr. Bukele's actions are very effective in attacking the effects of the tremendous crime in that country, but what about the causes of this crime? Have his government's actions also covered this topic? So perhaps we should be more cautious when it comes to extolling those who have not yet finished their work; All of them are reasons why we Ticos are extremely suspicious of a hypothetical and unrealizable Central American Union to which we encourage them if the other countries so wish, but in this aspect we prefer to "see the bulls from the sidelines", and giving ourselves beating our chests we remind all of you: ",... each one is better in his house and God in everyone's,..."🇨🇷🕊
@@alvaroleandrohernandezalva3149 Si lo soy mira, yo sé que tenemos ahorita nuestros problemas con el arias "Diablo" en estos momentos y que Bukele ha hecho una política de seguridad efectiva, pero reselo que sea tan populista, ya que así empezó Chávez en Venezuela y mira ahora como está, pero al vivir en un país de centro (Ideogía centro) lo hace cuestionar a uno muchas prácticas de muchos dirigentes mundiales, a mi parecer. Y yo respeto a nuestro hermanos centroamericanos, pero siento que muchos de ellos tendrían que empezar a tomar las riendas de sus países
¡ Pura Vida !
You forgot to mention Argentina's influence in this, even the original flag is based in the argentinian flag
Make Nayib Bukele the leader
A few corrections:
1810 is called the first intention for independence in Mexico and Central America not just Mexico there was a second call and finally the independence of Mex and C.A. in 1821.
The intend of Guatemala to join the region to Mexico was not completed since most cities in C.A. did not agree to it forcing Mexico to invade and fight the troops defending the revel states!
The las battle was in the outskirts nod San Salvador ,ending in a withdrawal of the mexican troops that were accompanied by Guatemalan soldiers aswell, but tbh then the Mexican empire had collapsed and the so annexation came to an end..
So en reality only Guatemala agreed to join Mexico but not the rest of the states.
There is no second independence of C.A but instead a reaffirmation of the 1821 independence .
If ask the people , travel to their countries or read each of Central American countrie's declaration of independence your will find out that it's 15 of Sep of 1821 the only date admitted as the official date.
I have study this and done my research and the one problem is that Mexican historians .have their own way of telling their part of the story and Central American historians such as Larde y Larin tells tell the other side of the story.
Not true. Central America was ours. Then we collapsed.
@@ARES-zf5fz Don't be a follower be a student.
Yeah, more commonly here refered to as "Relative independence" from spain (1821), and then "Absolute independence" from spain, mexico, and any other foreign country (1823).
@@ARES-zf5fzMexico never really controlled Central America. Do some research and see that we were mostly already independent with only minor influence from Mexico. I don't see Mexico fixing its cartel problem anytime soon and the Central American/Mexican cultures are fairly different so I'd like to see Central America separate from Mexico.
@@jamesmuller4886 Yes to whatever that was supposed to mean
"Pueblos de una misma sangre corresponden a una patria común."
I’m watching this video from a hostel in Panama 🇵🇦
I'd totally love to see Central America unify as a single, wealthier nation. That said, I do believe it to be a far fetched dream. For one, Nicaragua's dictatorship would never agree to let go of power to let someone else rule that territory. On the other hand, Costa Rica and Panama are so well off in comparison with the rest of the region that, for them, it would only negatively impact their economies with no visible advantages.
Nevertheless, I still have some hope in my heart that, in the future, new goverments realize that working together and pooling resources is one of the best ways to thrive in the current, high globalized world.
I too, would just love to see Central America all unify into one country. The big thing going for that is that all of Central America speaks Spanish--there one and only language. Yes at the moment as you pointed out a couple of these countries are more well off than the others. To me, the way it is now , these countries being so small are open to the dominance of foreign bankers and industrialists who can rule with an iron hand. What I am coming to is Guatemala back in 1954, when the country was under the dominance of the United Fruit Company. I think you know all about that. Like you, my hope is that future governments will work together and the unified Central America will become one strong country with a strong economy and an affluent society to go with it. A Central America that is free and independent.
As a Honduran I think it would be really great if we were all one country that would be great
Well yeah, y’all would benefit the most. Hondustas is big but they never do anything productive.