Holo Audio Cyan 2 || 💎 Let's Rant about DACs (Again)

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  • @admiralnorman
    @admiralnorman 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    I have the Cyan 2 on my desk atm. It works very well with HQPlayer upsampling. I like this DAC because I can forget about it and focus on the amps/headphones.

  • @rogerhuston8287
    @rogerhuston8287 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Holo makes some of the best bang for the buck products out there. A $1.2k R2R of this quality is rare. I think it beats the Denefrips stuff in the price range, and build quality is 2nd to none. I had the Spring 3 for a couple of years and sold it for nearly what I paid for it, so Holo holds its value over time.

  • @RafiGish
    @RafiGish 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    So many years later... ZEOS is still yabbing about DAC's while screwing everything up by using S/PDIF optical out via PC?

    • @NosEL34
      @NosEL34 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ya gotta get some of that PC goodness via optical or it just doesn't sound right 😊

  • @noob9103
    @noob9103 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I could hear the big difference using susvara and holo bliss between may and cyan2. however cyan2 has that holo sound that i love , so sold bulky expensive may and settled with cyan2.

    • @Thoughtflux
      @Thoughtflux 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You sold May for Cyan2?

    • @hunterborden6891
      @hunterborden6891 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I did the same. May is not desktop friendly.

  • @BobbyBass-x6i
    @BobbyBass-x6i 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thanks for the video. Man you are passionate about your equipment and music but you may want to think about decaf lol. Love your enthusiasm. I just received my Cyan 2 and it’s the best sounding DAC I’ve heard. I’ve heard about 10 different DACs with my high-end 2.2 music only setup and the detail and soundstage of this DAC is other level. I’m streaming from my Bluesound Node N130 using the included USB cable. This is just a DAC and it has limitations of use but if you want just a DAC I highly recommend the Cyan 2. Rock on!

  • @andrewgiovannini6613
    @andrewgiovannini6613 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Just got the Cyan 2 yesterday and IMO this review is pretty much spot on. Love the DAC. Going to keep it as my end-game DAC. Which will definitely give me a lot of confidence it won't bottleneck my source chain... but can I hear a massive difference between this and my Topping D70 Pro, Chord Mojo 2, or Bifrost 2/64? Not really. Not a ton. I also use HQPlayer extensively and while It's nice to be able to output 1.5mhz upscaled music to the Cyan 2, I'm not sure it's significantly better or even noticeably better than outputting 768khz to the Topping or Mojo, or even 192 to the Bifrost 2/64. I have also done quick A/B testing between the Bifrost and the built-in DAC on the Woo Audio WA7 and don't even hear much difference there either. Even the differences on amps I'm finding aren't massive, with only the most noticeable being with big tube amps. Love the design, love the build quality, I love having it in my setup, but it's definitely not something anyone needs to chase or lust after, IMO.

    • @lxmcc
      @lxmcc 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This is pretty much where I'm at. I got the Cyan 2 to know that I had a source that would settle that 'maybe I'm underserving my amp/headphones' thought and would let me fuck with HQPlayer, again, without the nervosa setting in. I found differences to my last DAC (Merason Frerot) but they were pretty small. I like how this looks, I like how its simple, I like how I can just not worry about it and enjoy my other shit (and music... that too).

    • @noob9103
      @noob9103 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      you should try with holoaudio bliss amp and susvara. you will hear the big difference.

    • @KXP70
      @KXP70 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What headphones are you using?

    • @andrewgiovannini6613
      @andrewgiovannini6613 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@KXP70 my primary rotation is between HE1000se and ZMF Atrium. But I sometimes also use the Bokeh and Focal Clear OG.

    • @andrewgiovannini6613
      @andrewgiovannini6613 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@noob9103 I am definitely considering the holo audio bliss at some point in the near future. Susvara, maybe. But the amp would come first for me.

  • @mmmadog
    @mmmadog 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The thing I dislike about most dacs is not enough coaxial inputs. The Aries 2 does.

  • @carminedesanto6746
    @carminedesanto6746 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I’m good …no longer of the DAC merry go rounds..Denafrips Ares 12-1 …and I’m good

    • @ZReviews
      @ZReviews  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Solid

  • @publicpersona6517
    @publicpersona6517 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I was kind of expecting a Holo the Wise Wolf background...

    • @ZReviews
      @ZReviews  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      So were we all.

  • @middleearthltd
    @middleearthltd 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I have had a Cyan 2 for a couple weeks
    It works well for me and it is worth checking out 100%
    I added an Inday DA4X-R - 4x1 SPDIF Digital Audio Switcher with a remote so I can use use it with multiple sources specifically 4 X into 1
    Hope everyone finds what they are looking for

    • @williamhicks2763
      @williamhicks2763 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Good tip. The big knock I had heard about the Cyan is that it doesn’t auto-detect inputs which can be pretty annoying if you jump from streaming to TV or whatever. I had not heard of that product so will check it out. Sounds like a good solution. I’m sort of on hold till more reviews come about about the Geshelli Dazee but a couple of days ago it was at the top of my list. Always wanted an R2R.

    • @middleearthltd
      @middleearthltd 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@williamhicks2763 This is the switcher
      Inday DA4X-R - 4x1 SPDIF Digital Audio Switcher
      Made in Oregon

  • @wim1983
    @wim1983 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I dislike company that comes out many models of DAC, try seduce and luring consumer for upgrade, and hype comes after that...

  • @williamhicks2763
    @williamhicks2763 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Time to review the Geshelli Dayzee. It’s got “Z” in the name. Coincidence?

  • @riffraff9000
    @riffraff9000 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Input voltage is selected by a switch inside the case. This can be seen in the photos on their own web site.

  • @Dalamain
    @Dalamain 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Yeah sorry I'm a buttons guy, they can "try" the minimal/swavue look but I just see cost cutting. Holo Cyan 2 can kiss my azz.

    • @ZReviews
      @ZReviews  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I mean. Less to break. And no fingerprints. Lol

    • @KXP70
      @KXP70 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Cost cutting is literally the point. To give you better audio at a more accessible price.

  • @TriAmpHiFi
    @TriAmpHiFi 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    . Sure wish Geshelli or Schiit cloned either the Enyo or Cyan 2.
    Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊

    • @Thoughtflux
      @Thoughtflux 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Who cloned what?

  • @supercompooper
    @supercompooper 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is so entertaining! 😊😊😊 Thank you for this!

  • @NosEL34
    @NosEL34 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dac DAC....Dac Dac DAC
    Wanna see my DAC?
    How big is your Dac?
    I got a little Chinese Dac.

  • @TheSakuraGumiLTD
    @TheSakuraGumiLTD 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    6:56... when it tilts too much down and the issue it causes... this was probably filmed already when I first mentioned it

  • @barneyrubble9309
    @barneyrubble9309 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The real issue with this unit is the auto switching feature. It doest work. It needs a manual switch big time.

  • @The_Crayon_God
    @The_Crayon_God 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    when are you going to do a review of the iBasso DX180????????????

  • @Drn10n
    @Drn10n 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    zeos, I bought the Violectric HPA V281 LE and love it. what sub 💎 DAC would you pair with it?
    I'm not in a rush, so i can wait for a good deal

    • @in-earfetish
      @in-earfetish 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I mean. This works. But sub 1k the SMSL D2r ROHM dac works.

  • @evanars1
    @evanars1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No switching between inputs is strange?

  • @redkh2017
    @redkh2017 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You are so right!!!
    The quality makes more difference when listetning to speakers

  • @masterxyr
    @masterxyr 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    peeps in the comments so often praise their own abilities and how sure they are about their setups and listening prowess. And yet, they hardly ever mention ab tests or anything of the sort but they do enjoy referring susvaras and so on. surprised one doesn't need a He-1 too. my old iPhone 5 sounds a little different from my lg v60 and both sound a little different from my desktop chains. I have no idea which sounds better after years, and since it's that little of a difference, I care less and less about dacs.

  • @Rob-Davidson
    @Rob-Davidson 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I have a Cyan 2, and I like it a lot. I don't mind the auto switching at all because I only use one source at a time. With Bliss KTE and HE1000SE, it sounds really good.

  • @kurthertel4299
    @kurthertel4299 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Agreed re speakers vs. Headphones for dac evaluation. Especially with R2R dacs. My Schiit Gungnir MB is very similar in just being a box. And very good. But only on speakers can I hear all of its goodness.

  • @rolandd5397
    @rolandd5397 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My 2 cents. Get the best preamp you can get before getting a good DAC. Preamp is thr heart of a good system

  • @whocares0503
    @whocares0503 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's priced close to a Schiit Yggy GS+. Schiit may be boring at times but it's $400 more which is close. Just a thought...

  • @Elboogs
    @Elboogs 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Any idea how this compares to a Geshelli J2 akm4499 with sparkos pro 2590 op amps?

  • @ThrakazogZ
    @ThrakazogZ 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I might have gotten this had it a smaller footprint, but I don't think it would fit on my desk. I'll stick with the smaller Bifrost for now. It still does a great, hassle-free job.

  • @jarekharmening8993
    @jarekharmening8993 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had the Holo Spring 1 running into my SPL Phonitor XE into Audeze LCD 2.2. The audio quality difference is MASSIVE between that and any other lower budget DAC. It's VERY evident when you go back and forth between DACs. The same also applies to speaker setups.

  • @DJ_PROMO_PR
    @DJ_PROMO_PR 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Patiently waiting for Zeos review of the Fiio FT1 and Eris comparison.

  • @SiG-Popart
    @SiG-Popart 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Digital? Transducer > Amp > Dac...Vinyl? Source > Transducer = Amp’s

  • @priedits
    @priedits 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks , I realized that I probably don’t need to buy Cyan 2 now 😀 I can stick with mojo 2 for a while

  • @TheSakuraGumiLTD
    @TheSakuraGumiLTD 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Maybe good as a mastering DAC? would like to try out combinations one day

  • @VintageStereoCollectorChannel
    @VintageStereoCollectorChannel 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Spot on review Zeos! I’ve had my Cyan 2 for two months and love its simplicity. I’m running a Bluesound Node via
    USB but I am waiting for the Holo Audio RED streamer/DDC to arrive.
    I also have my Audiolab 6000cdt CD transport connected to the Cyan 2 via a glass fiber Toslink cable. To use the CD transport I turn off my Bluesound Node streamer which is on a dedicated power strip for the Node and my tube phono preamp.
    I’m using ROON on a Mac Mini M1 with a CAT6 Ethernet cable to the Bluesound Node and soon to the RED. The RED is a ROON Bridge and I want to steam not only FLAC files, Tidal and Qobuz but also DSD.
    Loved your review of the Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ (I own one), but hope Kitsune sent you a review sample of the Cyan 2 and so you didn’t have to borrow it like the Mytek.

    • @BobbyBass-x6i
      @BobbyBass-x6i 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@VintageStereoCollectorChannel be interested in what sound differences you hear using the Red instead of the Node as a streamer into the Cyan2. I’m holding off on using the Red since I like the Node app and interface and the Cyan2 sounds great with the combination.

    • @VintageStereoCollectorChannel
      @VintageStereoCollectorChannel 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@BobbyBass-x6i - hope to receive the Red in 6-7 weeks🙏🏻

  • @Darkmatter356
    @Darkmatter356 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A good dac to buy if you want to focus more on amps and headphones, where most of the tunability in audio exists. Me personally I don't like all the LEDs because I never switch rates at all.

    • @ZReviews
      @ZReviews  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Honestly. If you were a pro gamer. Just put this behind your other equipment. Face down on the carpet. Forget about it.

  • @jackleville546
    @jackleville546 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If DACs are more or less the same for headphones (from a certain level onwards), does the R2R thingy then make any difference for headphones?

    • @ZReviews
      @ZReviews  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Ive had a "softening" of edges with R2R in general. But this is me and my job to listen that hard. Mortal men should have less pressing concerns.

    • @jackleville546
      @jackleville546 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ZReviews Thank you for making this clear. As a mortal man I now know what to (not) do. 🙂

  • @Rp707
    @Rp707 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    My dac smells like cheese

  • @thinkIndependent2024
    @thinkIndependent2024 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks 4 Truth !!!!!

  • @eobet
    @eobet 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Some people say they can hear the difference between filters in a DAC. I can't. 🤷‍♂

    • @ZReviews
      @ZReviews  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yeah I got nothing on that front still.

    • @JonnyParker-
      @JonnyParker- 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It depends how good your headphones / loudspeakers . I can hear Chord TT2 difference between filters 1/2 vs 3/4 and also it depends if you are listening to shitty modern "wall of sound" compressed to fkk music or music that has headroom in my opinion.

    • @Thoughtflux
      @Thoughtflux 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Depends on filter implementation. Most directly use the pre built ones on the chip.

  • @humanbass
    @humanbass 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    DACs are a solved matter. Some people got frustrated that a dac being technically perfect didnt bring the nirvana they expected.

    • @KXP70
      @KXP70 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      If DACs are a solved matter then my Grace m9xx would sound exactly like my Geshelli J2S, when in actuality the difference is immediately noticeable through my S17 Pro amp.

    • @Thoughtflux
      @Thoughtflux 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Source is the most important thing limiting your chain. You can't put a lipstick on a pig. 2 walls of sound by cheap sigma delta designs won't give you any depth or size even through an expensive amp or speakers.

  • @corrrect
    @corrrect 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    A dac without an input button/ switch is like a preamp without a volume knob. Nonsensical design.

    • @lw2978
      @lw2978 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If like me you have only one source where you're going to use it, then for the money, it's the absolute best DAC you can get at the moment (Sep 2024). My 2-channel setup has this plus a streamer, 6k of old-skool amplifier, 5k's worth of stereo floorstanding speakers and I've reached my audio nirvana.

    • @corrrect
      @corrrect 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @lw2978 that's good for you. For the money, I would rather spend a little more and get a yggy GS, which conveniently comes with buttons plus a remote.

    • @Rob-Davidson
      @Rob-Davidson 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      A little more? It's double. ​@corrrect

    • @corrrect
      @corrrect 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Rob-Davidson the YGGDRASIL + GS2 is $1,699.

    • @Rob-Davidson
      @Rob-Davidson 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@corrrect when I go to Schiit website, the cheapest version is $2300. The upgraded version is $2700.

  • @rogerhuston8287
    @rogerhuston8287 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    As far as not being able to hear Dacs, it is all relative to your chain. If you have a Susvara or SUV and a 465/AIC 10 or similar amp, your chain is revealing enough to hear the difference in DACs. I'm older and I can hear the difference and I'm not the most sensitive audiophile out there.

    • @solrq8349
      @solrq8349 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I heard a very very little difference when I used denafrips Ares 2 when I am using Sennheiser hd800s with hdv820 amplifier and heard a big difference switching thx 789 to hdv820 but when i bought susvara omg everything matters changing from the dac inside hdv820 to the denafrips Ares was as big as changing the Amp I was hearing the pros and cons people talk about about that dac now am thinking to jump crazy high end

    • @RafiGish
      @RafiGish 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Bingo. And Zeos is using S/PDIF optical from his PC, which to convert it digital to digital S/PDIF your computer will use the CPU and internal clock which will introduce jitter and is something you really don't want as a DAC tester and reviewer. I posted this to his vids years ago for the first time in the comments but since he's not much into the technical side of things he ignored my comments. This is also why I take DAC reviews and DAC opinions by ZEOS with a grain of salt.

    • @Thoughtflux
      @Thoughtflux 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I can hear plenty differences in dacs using even a hd650. Sure you need a more expensive ones to hear depths and width but hd650 or a fostex is enough to show tonal differences in dacs.

  • @G3rain1
    @G3rain1 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I think you don't get any difference on your bigger speaker set up is you have them too close to the wall and not enough diffusion behind them. Your nearfield setup is like 10 or so feet from the wall, so of course you get stage and depth.

    • @ZReviews
      @ZReviews  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well the sound isn't coming from the wall, Ive heard giant setups with depth in the 4 meter range. Its all a matter of how your brain is interpreting it.

  • @colinbuck8687
    @colinbuck8687 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    “Featureless box” is a deal breaker for me, regardless of what kind of system I’d be using it in.

    • @mat.b.
      @mat.b. 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      but why

  • @TheCharlesAtoz
    @TheCharlesAtoz 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    An R2R is just one way of doing a DAC. All the resistors have to be matched.

    • @mat.b.
      @mat.b. 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      you think they mismatch them? lol

  • @el_arte
    @el_arte 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Soundstage is only a thing if the sound was recorded on a stage.
    And headphones should be the best way to tell DACs apart, since they can be highly resolving.

    • @chunkycheesemonkey99
      @chunkycheesemonkey99 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yikes

    • @ZReviews
      @ZReviews  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      On SS. Wrong. Some hardware can compress width on all recordings.
      on HP vs Speakers. I was in that camp for years. Now I have to concede. The Nearfield setup is the way.

    • @JonnyParker-
      @JonnyParker- 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Convolution reverb

    • @touretto3982
      @touretto3982 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I couldn't agree more. HQPlayer, Audio- PC, NAA/Network Bridge (no direct usb to DAC) to a Holo DAC and you can recognize a lot of space in width and depth on a good headphone like Susvara. But, of course, only if this sense of space is real and on the recording. the differences between shapers/modulators and filters can be clearly heard with very different types.

    • @el_arte
      @el_arte 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JonnyParker- I know. But, the point is: "Good luck claiming reproduction is accurate or faithful to what the producer engineered." And if the concept of accuracy doesn't apply here, then there are all sorts of DSP you can use to introduce spatial effects during playback, all without paying large amounts of money for a hardware implementation.

  • @charleskatz2606
    @charleskatz2606 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You should check there pre.Deafnnutd neutral and reviewers dream with three (count em 3!) sets of outputs