@@ppmaks668 ah yes i would love to play a game that when you shoot, which is what your supposed to do, just completely makes a load ring through your headphones for "realism".
In CoD MW they did it almost right, only adding a bit of recoil to avoid making the Vector too OP, but still impressive even when we remember it's an arcade game and not a MilSim
It also makes sense that the MW19, despite looking like it came from the shadow realm would have a lot more recoil. There's just not enough room for the V system thingy to fit in that mag well so a compact version of the mechanism would have to installed, which obviously isn't going to be as effective as the real one.
They're heavy but hit with force, if you run acog and tracers you'll see. Two burst is also optimal for consurving ammo, instead of 10-round bursting some poor guy you can perfectly two-burst someone at ranges that you wouldn't expect.
Yeah, and it's one of the better guns in game and expensive at that. There's a reason it's recoil is high in other games. They don't have a whole cost system and rarity to guns
45 is slow = fast drop off. rast rate = hot barrel = no accuracy after one clip is don. recoil dont matter the bullet cant beat level 3 armar. Games is fake. in real swat will push you with a shield and they is nothing you can do.
I'll never forget the time someone tried to argue that because of the Super V system the Vector in CoD Mobile should kick downwards. Because that's how physics works.
Saw something in discovery channel once about this gun back when they still showed informative stuff. And the main point was that it basically had no recoil, and every since then, it annoyed the hell out of me that every single game gave this gun insane amounts of recoil.
There's this game in Roblox called "Deadline" that also got the kriss vector right and i highly recommend you giving the game a try, it also has a simillar gun costumization like CoD warzone
they add whacky and few guns but those they do add are done pretty well The interrupted reload system is great aswell, even if the reloads feel slow as hell most of the time lol
If you can get used to not pulling the gun down in Sandstorm this thing is a monster close range. I've outgunned basically every gun in the game with it close range and its pretty damn good mid range too, just be careful of that horizontal recoil
If you ever played the Roblox game Deadline( actually realistic shooter) you would see that they did even a better job. In that game the vector has downwards recoil, which is even more realistic as the rl vector has a tendency to shoot down because of the barrel is under the grip point
@@trentonyoakum1627 so the idea being that the barrel of the vector is under your wrist when you are griping the gun, which means that the pivot (your wrist), or your friction applying point is over the barrel (instead of under like on most guns), which would cause the barrel to pivot down when firing instead of up
@@agentr107 Is english your first language? If it is, you know too little to be in this conversation. If it isn't, I think there was a couple of bad translations in there.
Usually weapons have to be balanced to not have everyone playing only one weapon, but I think Sandstorm is one of the few games where that does not matter.
I personally don’t like using the vector because it can pull down. I’m so conditioned to pull down myself that having to counteract downward pull is too much for me.
The two shot burst is great, if you keep your aim center of mass you can essentially fire and forget every target making it a monster in CQC when you get the drop on groups.
Every time I hear or read about low bore axis, the only thing I can visualize is the Laugo Alien. But that design already breaks many design standards anyway
I’ve had my eye on this game for 2 years now and finally after finally thinking I was ready to buy the game I remembered the biggest issue this game has.... updates this game finally is at a point where it’s balanced and solid from what I see but everyone always says the same thing there’s not enough updates and stuff to unlock so I’m going to wait before the game gets more attention before committing but still looks fun
You shouldn't wait to buy it because the game will never get more attention than it has, there is already limited time gamemodes every month/week, yes there is not a lot to unlock because in game progression is not the center of the game, is more about your gameplay : learning the game, trying all the weapon and classes with more important roles, etc... You have PVE, PVP, Custom servers with mods, honestly updates shouldn't be argument to not buy it because the content is already enough, maybe it's an argument when you played it for 300h but not for a new player, you have a lot to try. There is maybe 3/4 "big" updates a years, i mean it's even more than minecraft.
In MW2 2009 the vector has very little recoil. But it did pretty low damage for balance sake because a zero recoil 1200 rpm 45 acp would of been the only weapon anyone used if it was accurate to real life.
Super V recoil mitigation effectivness is overrated. It’s true the bolt goes backwards but it also comes back up jolting the gun upward a bit. Just watch Garand thumbs video, he can get way better groupings with a 50s open bolt swedish k because it’ s way heavier, the bolt has time to decelerate in the long receiver and has a low rate of fire. You can cheat physics only at a certain point, a 1200 rpm lightweight polymer smg can never be recoilless like in insurgency sandstorm. Most people I have seen trying one in full auto say it’s true that recoil is a bit less intense than other smgs but at the same time a bit jarring with all the bolt mass not moving in a straight line. Everyone agrees that an mp5 for example is way nicer and easier to keep on target with the delayed blowback action , lower rof and higher gun weight (+ linear motion of the bolt). If the Vector was as crazy good as video games make it out to be why hasn’t literally any Law enforcement agency or military ever adopted it?
I'm aware of how the Vector's recoil control system functions, but does it really make it THAT easy to control muzzle climb during a full-auto mag dump? I can't speak to it personally, as I've never fired one.
I have shot one once at a gun show, honestly its only marginally better than other .45/10mm SMGs/PDWs I have shot... but I don't think that is saying much IMO. The reality is that the V spring still hops back up and that hop up still causes some flip or perceived recoil to occur. It doesn't magically erase all recoil. Its cool to market because the V recoil system allows the gun to be compacted pretty well compared to traditional "back and forth" blowback operators and the barrel-trigger-shoulder is totally in line, its pretty comfy to shoot. And sure, at firing .45ACP/10mm, hardly any gun compares to it.... but few guns in the American arsenal really have tried to even do that since the adoption of 9mm as a more common standard. BUT it doesn't really do anything amazingly outside of that, and this is why it hasn't really been adopted by any organized armies (outside of fringe outfits for Bangladesh and Thailand). Carbines beat out SMGs/PDWs in terms of range and versatility. Shooting pistol cartridges fundamentally has its issues because anything 100 yards out becomes more of a crap shoot, while the effective range of let's say an M4A1 is 550-650 yards.... one of them clearly offers a HUGE combative advantage on a battlefield. If you look at actual gunfights between organized armies, ahem like the Ukrainian War, almost all fighting is happening in massive open fields; a pistol cartridge will do you no good at those ranges. It is why more modern marketing for it has it less as an army weapon and more of a law enforcement/SWAT weapon as that is where you are more likely to use it for its intended ranges. If you also look at Kriss' portfolio, they have also had Super V prototypes for a pistol (The KARD), a shotgun (The MVS) and a .50 HMG (The Disraptor).... those all vanished since like 2009, and that to me is pretty telling in that maybe the Super V is just not that much of a cure-all for mitigating recoil. TL;DR - Yeah its pretty good.... at shooting pistol cartridges. That's basically it.
@@realityisnotwhatyouthinkitis Kriss was (and might still be?) developing a .50 BMG machine gun using the Super V recoil system. I believe it was called the Disraptor.
IRL the gun doesn't work that way. It's only a marketing promise. In reality it recoils more than most modern submachine guns. Speaking of modern submachine guns, they mostly recoil more than some 1940s and 1950 counterparts with same ammo. Its kinda weird. Anyway. Submachineguns recoil quite a lot for shooting pistol caliber bullets. And the vector recoils more then most of them. IRL the MP7 has very little recoil. Definitelly less than most pistol caliber sub guns. Part of the reason is its a different operating system. Most sub guns are either recoil or delayed recoil guns. The MP7 is a very small piston gun. The vector's "magical" recoil, is a marketing myth started on Discovery channel's future weapons tv series. That and the dragon skin body armor. Are very famous in pop culture, but IRL they don't live up to the marketing.
Yo TBAG. I think Bluedrake42 just copied your video. He titled it (at the moment of writing) “This is the ONLY game that got the KRISS Vector right…”. He posted it 14 hours ago.
It’s not theoretically, it does an amazing job controlling recoil as the majority of recoil is from the bolt cycling and if the bolt goes down then that counteracts the muzzle flip a lot. It might not have a pattern like that by itself but it’s absolutely possible to get a group similar to that with minimal effort.
To be fair, if every game did this the vector would trump all other guns. Let’s take PUBG for example. The gun is already a menace as it is, high fire rate with little recoil and modest damage, and very customizable, but if it had the Super V system actually emulated, I don’t think anyone would use another gun. It would be a laser.
I mean, the other games needed a way to balance it so people didn't run around beaming people across the map, slowly shredding them like a weak laser pointer.
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Sandstorm definitely values realism, and is fun to play.
ye i am sure that in real life you would still be able to hear after dumping an entire magazine
@@ppmaks668 9mm or .45 acp in open area? yes.
@@ppmaks668 Security use Ear Pro's or smth
@@ppmaks668 I mean, it’d be very annoying to have a character you make be permanently deaf after a few minutes of combat.
@@ppmaks668 ah yes i would love to play a game that when you shoot, which is what your supposed to do, just completely makes a load ring through your headphones for "realism".
In CoD MW they did it almost right, only adding a bit of recoil to avoid making the Vector too OP, but still impressive even when we remember it's an arcade game and not a MilSim
Too bad the MW19 model is so screwed up looking.
@@fascistlobster literally who cares
@@bigboysdotcom745 Everyone that wants a Vector to be a Vector
@@DJace3000
but its not cool if its just a carbon copy of irl Vector
It also makes sense that the MW19, despite looking like it came from the shadow realm would have a lot more recoil.
There's just not enough room for the V system thingy to fit in that mag well so a compact version of the mechanism would have to installed, which obviously isn't going to be as effective as the real one.
2-bullet burst feels nice, bullet drop comparing to assault rifles is very high. sandstorm is very good game.
Those .45s be kinda slow
They're heavy but hit with force, if you run acog and tracers you'll see. Two burst is also optimal for consurving ammo, instead of 10-round bursting some poor guy you can perfectly two-burst someone at ranges that you wouldn't expect.
Wish the character speed is slower
Overall excellent weap🎉
Big ups to KRISS for coming up with the centerpiece gun of the most broken IRL loadout for CQC.
I always put it on two burst because .45 kills the soul
Yeah, and it's one of the better guns in game and expensive at that. There's a reason it's recoil is high in other games. They don't have a whole cost system and rarity to guns
45 is slow = fast drop off.
rast rate = hot barrel = no accuracy after one clip is don.
recoil dont matter the bullet cant beat level 3 armar. Games is fake.
in real swat will push you with a shield and they is nothing you can do.
@@rashsoftwear8075 good thing this isnt a SWAT game
@@rashsoftwear8075 you're that funny guy at parties aren't you?
@@vengefulone6282 are you a looser gamers think games is real?
games is balance.
@@rashsoftwear8075 games is absolutely real, you're just stupid
I also think in Killing Floor 2 the Kriss Vector is fairly accurate to the real life counterpart.
I do love using the KRISS in killing floor, even though there are more effective weapons in game. The feeling of mowing down zeds with it is awesome.
@@133oggbogg Specially that nice Swat perk combo of Flashbang + Kriss Vector, a Scrake or Fleshpound goes down in 3 seconds xD
@@133oggbogg The vector is actually pretty effective in KF2...
@@IIXxSLAYERxXII But it's not THE most effective weapon in the game.
I've heard it causes the same kind of stuttery horizontal recoil in real life, so yes, that would make it very realistic.
I'll never forget the time someone tried to argue that because of the Super V system the Vector in CoD Mobile should kick downwards. Because that's how physics works.
It doesn't it goes upwards and it's lame
Man, I f*cking love Kriss vector SMG, it's really one of the best weapon for close-mid range shooting that I know
eh,you should try more guns,there's a lot of them, you shouldn't just focus on one but if thats what u wanna do then go ahead i ain't stopping you
Truly an amazing piece of engineering.
The Spray this weapon is crazy dudde. Vector for ever
I wish every gun in real life have this feature
Theres also some guns that control the recoil like AK-107
Saw something in discovery channel once about this gun back when they still showed informative stuff. And the main point was that it basically had no recoil, and every since then, it annoyed the hell out of me that every single game gave this gun insane amounts of recoil.
Honestly the best way to balance that is just make it take a lot of shots to kill instead of having it take less shots but have a shitton of recoil
sheesh, it's actually no recoil
There's this game in Roblox called "Deadline" that also got the kriss vector right and i highly recommend you giving the game a try, it also has a simillar gun costumization like CoD warzone
they add whacky and few guns but those they do add are done pretty well
The interrupted reload system is great aswell, even if the reloads feel slow as hell most of the time lol
If you can get used to not pulling the gun down in Sandstorm this thing is a monster close range. I've outgunned basically every gun in the game with it close range and its pretty damn good mid range too, just be careful of that horizontal recoil
If you ever played the Roblox game Deadline( actually realistic shooter) you would see that they did even a better job. In that game the vector has downwards recoil, which is even more realistic as the rl vector has a tendency to shoot down because of the barrel is under the grip point
@@alcerixxia614 🤨
@@trentonyoakum1627 so the idea being that the barrel of the vector is under your wrist when you are griping the gun, which means that the pivot (your wrist), or your friction applying point is over the barrel (instead of under like on most guns), which would cause the barrel to pivot down when firing instead of up
@@trentonyoakum1627 In other words, its muzzle jump but reversed
@@alcerixxia614 👍
If you put the recoil grip on it actually makes the recoil inverted.
You know the gun is OP in real life if its biggest downside is the cost.
It was pretty much the same in the Homefront game. All the other guns had alot of recoil, the Vector (called Super V SMG) had very little
I hate people who say that their first They’re Annoying
forgot to switch accounts smooth brain
Lol
@@freethegoons u didn't get the joke
@@swagbucks5513 you right lol
Forgot to take meds there, bro?
HOLY FU-!
In al seriousness, it’s actually cool that they added that realism to the game.
Very well done actually.
finally, a company that actually acknowledges this
I'd like to see how "zero recoil" the real gun actually is.
TH-cam has a lot of these videos
There's a lot of videos on youtube that displays how this gun fired to empty clip with zero blowback
@@agentr107 Is english your first language? If it is, you know too little to be in this conversation.
If it isn't, I think there was a couple of bad translations in there.
@@mathewfitzpatrick5645Dawg what
sandstorm hold my beer
one thing i hate is when games have the vector with recoil when the whole design of the gun itself is to have almost zero recoil
Escape from Tarkov: "AM I A JOKE TO YOU?"
The vector actually throws me off because my muscle memory tells me to pull down
Usually weapons have to be balanced to not have everyone playing only one weapon, but I think Sandstorm is one of the few games where that does not matter.
yeah the stupid fast time to kill and the fact that better guns cost more means that any gun feels very good.
Yeah, the cost system is pretty good at that
There are meta guns in Sandstorm though. Some of them just plain better. No one use SKS, because SVD exist.
I personally don’t like using the vector because it can pull down. I’m so conditioned to pull down myself that having to counteract downward pull is too much for me.
Bruh, how can a gun be so fast yet so steady
To me it has normal recoil in real life, just very little amounts of it.
Project Zero (or Point Blank, in SEA) also did that to Kriss. The gun became so op every rich kids buys it
well in fortnite it is kinda zero recoil but your cross hair also buffs
in R¨the vector is pretty spot on
I love the KRISS Vector.
Lol real vector still bouncing around like crazy. Imagine all those mass so spontaneously
Love using the kriss in Sandstorm, but it runs out of ammo in a blink of an eye. Burst fire is probably the best way to go.
The two shot burst is great, if you keep your aim center of mass you can essentially fire and forget every target making it a monster in CQC when you get the drop on groups.
Of course, only single game..
yt says its modern warfare but the game is actually insurgency sandstorm
this gun on semi auto hurts my cheeks. Can't imagine how it would feel on full auto.
+ Respect to Sandstorm devs! 🗿
forgot the part where it jams
According to TH-cam, this is modern warfare lol
I don't think it still makes vertical recoil to ZERO?
watch footage of it in action
The low bore axis also helps keep muzzle rise low
Every time I hear or read about low bore axis, the only thing I can visualize is the Laugo Alien. But that design already breaks many design standards anyway
I’ve had my eye on this game for 2 years now and finally after finally thinking I was ready to buy the game I remembered the biggest issue this game has.... updates this game finally is at a point where it’s balanced and solid from what I see but everyone always says the same thing there’s not enough updates and stuff to unlock so I’m going to wait before the game gets more attention before committing but still looks fun
You shouldn't wait to buy it because the game will never get more attention than it has, there is already limited time gamemodes every month/week, yes there is not a lot to unlock because in game progression is not the center of the game, is more about your gameplay : learning the game, trying all the weapon and classes with more important roles, etc...
You have PVE, PVP, Custom servers with mods, honestly updates shouldn't be argument to not buy it because the content is already enough, maybe it's an argument when you played it for 300h but not for a new player, you have a lot to try.
There is maybe 3/4 "big" updates a years, i mean it's even more than minecraft.
Cod ghosts got it almost perfect
Insurgency
I have this gun IRL
why is the gun firing on safe?
In MW2 2009 the vector has very little recoil. But it did pretty low damage for balance sake because a zero recoil 1200 rpm 45 acp would of been the only weapon anyone used if it was accurate to real life.
Well there are ways to balance that and Insurgency did just that, points system for weapons.
oddly enough, I found that type of recoil stuff in a roblox game
damn this call of duty looks so real
Insurgency
In cod mobile to nerf the overpowered rate of fire they made the recoil so high that by the end of a mag you're aiming at the sky
Why does the description say the game is cod mw from 2019
Super V recoil mitigation effectivness is overrated. It’s true the bolt goes backwards but it also comes back up jolting the gun upward a bit. Just watch Garand thumbs video, he can get way better groupings with a 50s open bolt swedish k because it’ s way heavier, the bolt has time to decelerate in the long receiver and has a low rate of fire. You can cheat physics only at a certain point, a 1200 rpm lightweight polymer smg can never be recoilless like in insurgency sandstorm. Most people I have seen trying one in full auto say it’s true that recoil is a bit less intense than other smgs but at the same time a bit jarring with all the bolt mass not moving in a straight line. Everyone agrees that an mp5 for example is way nicer and easier to keep on target with the delayed blowback action , lower rof and higher gun weight (+ linear motion of the bolt). If the Vector was as crazy good as video games make it out to be why hasn’t literally any Law enforcement agency or military ever adopted it?
* laughs in arma 3 *
OH YEAHHHH
how do you inspect the weapon?
Would be neat if games made it recoil downward and you’d have to fight it up
At a longer range you do have to fight it upward.
I'm aware of how the Vector's recoil control system functions, but does it really make it THAT easy to control muzzle climb during a full-auto mag dump? I can't speak to it personally, as I've never fired one.
I have shot one once at a gun show, honestly its only marginally better than other .45/10mm SMGs/PDWs I have shot... but I don't think that is saying much IMO.
The reality is that the V spring still hops back up and that hop up still causes some flip or perceived recoil to occur. It doesn't magically erase all recoil.
Its cool to market because the V recoil system allows the gun to be compacted pretty well compared to traditional "back and forth" blowback operators and the barrel-trigger-shoulder is totally in line, its pretty comfy to shoot. And sure, at firing .45ACP/10mm, hardly any gun compares to it.... but few guns in the American arsenal really have tried to even do that since the adoption of 9mm as a more common standard.
BUT it doesn't really do anything amazingly outside of that, and this is why it hasn't really been adopted by any organized armies (outside of fringe outfits for Bangladesh and Thailand). Carbines beat out SMGs/PDWs in terms of range and versatility. Shooting pistol cartridges fundamentally has its issues because anything 100 yards out becomes more of a crap shoot, while the effective range of let's say an M4A1 is 550-650 yards.... one of them clearly offers a HUGE combative advantage on a battlefield. If you look at actual gunfights between organized armies, ahem like the Ukrainian War, almost all fighting is happening in massive open fields; a pistol cartridge will do you no good at those ranges.
It is why more modern marketing for it has it less as an army weapon and more of a law enforcement/SWAT weapon as that is where you are more likely to use it for its intended ranges.
If you also look at Kriss' portfolio, they have also had Super V prototypes for a pistol (The KARD), a shotgun (The MVS) and a .50 HMG (The Disraptor).... those all vanished since like 2009, and that to me is pretty telling in that maybe the Super V is just not that much of a cure-all for mitigating recoil.
TL;DR - Yeah its pretty good.... at shooting pistol cartridges. That's basically it.
The thing is TBAG is playing on console, on PC this gun actually fires downwards and not only that, the horizontal recoil is nuts
I wonder if that system could work for bigger calibers
Prob not it will rise a bit (unlike 45 which went down alot than rising)
@@eradicatormkivgaming I WANT A 50BMG VERSION,
@@realityisnotwhatyouthinkitis Kriss was (and might still be?) developing a .50 BMG machine gun using the Super V recoil system. I believe it was called the Disraptor.
@@fascistlobster sounds like something from a halo game
Check out the AK-107. It has a coil recoil reduction system
I love use the kriss vecktor
literally..
why dont more weapons have it
I play cod so I am a firearms expert even though I've never touched a gun in my life. 😊
What class in sandstorm uses the vector?
lazer beam
The did the Vector right but they did every other smg wrong.
Deadline on roblox also got this correct.
IRL the gun doesn't work that way. It's only a marketing promise. In reality it recoils more than most modern submachine guns. Speaking of modern submachine guns, they mostly recoil more than some 1940s and 1950 counterparts with same ammo. Its kinda weird. Anyway. Submachineguns recoil quite a lot for shooting pistol caliber bullets. And the vector recoils more then most of them.
IRL the MP7 has very little recoil. Definitelly less than most pistol caliber sub guns. Part of the reason is its a different operating system. Most sub guns are either recoil or delayed recoil guns. The MP7 is a very small piston gun.
The vector's "magical" recoil, is a marketing myth started on Discovery channel's future weapons tv series. That and the dragon skin body armor. Are very famous in pop culture, but IRL they don't live up to the marketing.
I think we've found someone who has actually shot both. I've shot both and this is a pretty spot on description.
Except Contractors VR also got it right ^-^
Yo TBAG. I think Bluedrake42 just copied your video. He titled it (at the moment of writing) “This is the ONLY game that got the KRISS Vector right…”. He posted it 14 hours ago.
I love insurgency ❤️
The system theoretically reduces recoil, it wouldn't be this low even with it
Have you shot one
@@helpumuch6887 he could even just search up footage
It’s not theoretically, it does an amazing job controlling recoil as the majority of recoil is from the bolt cycling and if the bolt goes down then that counteracts the muzzle flip a lot. It might not have a pattern like that by itself but it’s absolutely possible to get a group similar to that with minimal effort.
I haven't shot a full auto one, but the semi I fired felt like a dream.
tarkov does the vector recoil well
Imagine if when the recoil is too strong the gun moves downwards nearly shooting ur on foot.....
In insurgency on PC, it actually is the case, but only without you shooting yourself
I mean yes they got it right, but is it good for balance?
I feel like tarkov has a decent Recoil variation to this.But I love both games
which game is this?
to be fair, it doesn't work like that in most games because of game balancing. an smg with basically no recoil is kind of cheaty
My only issue with sandstorm is how much recoil some of the guns have compared to others
That's pretty normal man I don't think a 9mm mp5 will have the same recoil as a 50bmg mate
@@bruhdealer5208 a lot of the guns which wouldn't have much recoil have a lot of recoil* (I should have clarified mb)
@@bruhdealer5208 he means the machineguns having too much recoil. IRL you can fire an m60 with one hand. the m249 recoil is too insane.
the gun has build in recoil hack lol
what game is that?
Somebody tell nikita.
What's wrong with the pleb g version?
To be fair, if every game did this the vector would trump all other guns. Let’s take PUBG for example. The gun is already a menace as it is, high fire rate with little recoil and modest damage, and very customizable, but if it had the Super V system actually emulated, I don’t think anyone would use another gun. It would be a laser.
I would like play a lot insurgency with cod mw graphics / animations. Imagine immersion :)
Pov halbek device pf
Fired one once. It constantly slaps your cheem upwards. Was kind of disapointed.
I mean, the other games needed a way to balance it so people didn't run around beaming people across the map, slowly shredding them like a weak laser pointer.
When I had the chance to fire one, it was one of the best feeling guns I've ever shot in the category.
MW2 and BO2: ...
Small loadout in warzone 🥺🥺
True but games need balance
Looking at balancing I very much know why others don´t get it *right*
Its literally the K30 from battlefield 2042 but better