Gorytus made his debut in the Acomb Stakes at York but was up against Henry Cecil’s unbeaten hotpot Salieri, who was odds-on. But Gorytus hammered him by seven lengths and in the process broke the course record for juveniles by more than a second. How many horses break the course record on their debut especially at York!!
@@frankschlanker It is, it's just a shame he never really got the chance to show what he was really capable of doing, I'm still in two minds about what really went wrong with him, I guess we will never really know?
@@nightowl7459 Found this!! "Despite returning from the race in a distressed state, the colt showed no sign of injury and made a full recovery within twenty-four hours. This led to a great deal of rumour and speculation as observers attempted to explain the performance. Several horses in the Hern stable had been suffering from a respiratory infection in October and it was suggested that Gorytus may have been a sick horse on the day of the race. Hern, however, denied this, pointing out that the horse had been carefully monitored and tested in the build-up to the Dewhurst and had shown no sign of illness. Carson reported that the horse might have "swallowed his tongue", but this was not supported by veterinary examination: the jockey later suggested that the horse's temperament was at fault, saying that "he took the mickey out of us after his first two races. If I had my time again I'd ride him differently".[6] The most popular theory was that Gorytus had been "got at" or "nobbled": that is to say that a substance had been deliberately administered to the colt to prevent him from winning. Richard Baerlein, writing in The Guardian reported that the horse had been seen defecating with abnormal frequency before the race and suggested that Gorytus had been doped with croton oil, a substance used as a laxative for elephants.[6] This would, however, would not be consistent with Hern's statement that the colt lost only ten pounds during the race. Hern had been congratulated by Phil Bull at Ayr Racecourse a week after Gorytus's win at Doncaster, and Bull had warned Hern that his biggest problem would be security, as some bookmakers had laid the horse to lose so much in the 2,000 Guineas that they could not afford to pay if he won the race.[7] The tabloid Daily Star presented the theory that the colt had been affected by exposure to an irritant, administered in an aerosol spray as he was led round the pre-race paddock. Carson however, rejected this idea by saying that no-one had come close enough to the horse to carry out this type of attack. If a substance was administered to the horse, it was not one detectable by testing procedures at the time: the post-race drug test carried out by the Jockey Club produced a negative result.[2] 1st time poster18 Jul 20 13:28 Do you remember SWIFTFOOT suffered the same fate as Gorytus?
@@nightowl7459 Here's the Acomb, watch Piggot look behind and then give Salieri a frustrated backhander.I know LP eased Salieri down but Carson was only hands and heels and waving the stick at Gorytus
@@nightowl7459 Well, I'm not so sure about that. Glad Rags foaled Hatter's Dream and Mirthful Flirt in the mid seventies, neither of whom won at over 5 furlongs. Gorytus only won at 7 furlongs. In the guineas and Waterford Crystal Mile, he seemed to come there with every chance and kept on at one pace. Perhaps he just wasn't good enough. I know his trainer in the USA thought his temperament was suspect. I think I read that somewhere.
@@laurencebranigan2545 The truth is probably somewhere between, perhaps he might not have stayed as far as expected as he's was by Nijinsky out of a 1000 Guinness winer, maybe he just wasn't as good as a three year old as some expected, but he definitely wasn't right on the Dewhurst day for whatever reason? And his debut race isn't on any video I've seen, been looking for it myself.
@@nightowl7459 Yeah, I suspect you may well be right. I'd just loved to have seen him back over 6 furlongs, similar to Ajdal and later Stravinsky. I think with hindsight, this performance wasn't as spectacular as thought at the time. It wasn't a great field. I'd like to see that performance against Salieri, I believe he was getting 7 pounds from him on his debut? Also, Piggott eased up once beaten but it was some performance first time out. Salieri turned out more than useful as well.
Ray Robinson, Gorytus's stable mate Orixo ran Diesis close in his previous race and they reckon he wasn't even good enough to get near Gorytus on the West Ilsley gallops.
Gorytus made his debut in the Acomb Stakes at York but was up against Henry Cecil’s unbeaten hotpot Salieri, who was odds-on. But Gorytus hammered him by seven lengths and in the process broke the course record for juveniles by more than a second. How many horses break the course record on their debut especially at York!!
But do they break records by 2 seconds?
@@nightowl7459 2 seconds is exceptional as that's a 6 length difference
@@frankschlanker It is, it's just a shame he never really got the chance to show what he was really capable of doing, I'm still in two minds about what really went wrong with him, I guess we will never really know?
@@nightowl7459 Found this!!
"Despite returning from the race in a distressed state, the colt showed no sign of injury and made a full recovery within twenty-four hours. This led to a great deal of rumour and speculation as observers attempted to explain the performance. Several horses in the Hern stable had been suffering from a respiratory infection in October and it was suggested that Gorytus may have been a sick horse on the day of the race. Hern, however, denied this, pointing out that the horse had been carefully monitored and tested in the build-up to the Dewhurst and had shown no sign of illness. Carson reported that the horse might have "swallowed his tongue", but this was not supported by veterinary examination: the jockey later suggested that the horse's temperament was at fault, saying that "he took the mickey out of us after his first two races. If I had my time again I'd ride him differently".[6] The most popular theory was that Gorytus had been "got at" or "nobbled": that is to say that a substance had been deliberately administered to the colt to prevent him from winning. Richard Baerlein, writing in The Guardian reported that the horse had been seen defecating with abnormal frequency before the race and suggested that Gorytus had been doped with croton oil, a substance used as a laxative for elephants.[6] This would, however, would not be consistent with Hern's statement that the colt lost only ten pounds during the race. Hern had been congratulated by Phil Bull at Ayr Racecourse a week after Gorytus's win at Doncaster, and Bull had warned Hern that his biggest problem would be security, as some bookmakers had laid the horse to lose so much in the 2,000 Guineas that they could not afford to pay if he won the race.[7] The tabloid Daily Star presented the theory that the colt had been affected by exposure to an irritant, administered in an aerosol spray as he was led round the pre-race paddock. Carson however, rejected this idea by saying that no-one had come close enough to the horse to carry out this type of attack. If a substance was administered to the horse, it was not one detectable by testing procedures at the time: the post-race drug test carried out by the Jockey Club produced a negative result.[2]
1st time poster18 Jul 20 13:28
Do you remember SWIFTFOOT suffered the same fate as Gorytus?
@@nightowl7459 Here's the Acomb, watch Piggot look behind and then give Salieri a frustrated backhander.I know LP eased Salieri down but Carson was only hands and heels and waving the stick at Gorytus
A very good horse , nobbled by bent ex NH jockey , Dermot Browne .
ThefightingCelt nobbled in the Dewhurst without a shadow of a doubt.
ThefightingCelt, And was magnificently bred to.
Not true, he was not nobbled at all, he had a twisted intestine
Selfish people on here leaving comments on from 2 years ago. When a new comment goes on it goes below it.
I'm always surprised that this horse wasn't given a chance over 6f during his 3 year old campaign. I think he may have been a sprinter.
He was bred to be a ten furlong horse.
@@nightowl7459 Well, I'm not so sure about that. Glad Rags foaled Hatter's Dream and Mirthful Flirt in the mid seventies, neither of whom won at over 5 furlongs. Gorytus only won at 7 furlongs. In the guineas and Waterford Crystal Mile, he seemed to come there with every chance and kept on at one pace. Perhaps he just wasn't good enough. I know his trainer in the USA thought his temperament was suspect. I think I read that somewhere.
@@nightowl7459 I'd like to see that race where he destroyed Salieri on his debut. He certainly created a buzz.
@@laurencebranigan2545 The truth is probably somewhere between, perhaps he might not have stayed as far as expected as he's was by Nijinsky out of a 1000 Guinness winer, maybe he just wasn't as good as a three year old as some expected, but he definitely wasn't right on the Dewhurst day for whatever reason? And his debut race isn't on any video I've seen, been looking for it myself.
@@nightowl7459 Yeah, I suspect you may well be right. I'd just loved to have seen him back over 6 furlongs, similar to Ajdal and later Stravinsky. I think with hindsight, this performance wasn't as spectacular as thought at the time. It wasn't a great field. I'd like to see that performance against Salieri, I believe he was getting 7 pounds from him on his debut? Also, Piggott eased up once beaten but it was some performance first time out. Salieri turned out more than useful as well.
Dermot brown wasnt a jockey. He was an excuse for a jockey. And anybody with a name called Dermot their must be something wrong with them 😂
It doesn't if you press new comments first in the preferred comment section.
Shame he never fulfilled his potential. Like huntingdale in the dewhurst of 85, looked a good horse but was ultimately disappointing
It would have to at his best to beat Diesis on his day though, imo.
Ray Robinson, Gorytus's stable mate Orixo ran Diesis close in his previous race and they reckon he wasn't even good enough to get near Gorytus on the West Ilsley gallops.
and suffice to say everyone then did their b x ante post :P