Writing Powerful Dorian Dad Rock in 6/8 - Riffing with Modes #2
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Confused about Dorian? Watch my lesson here: • DORIAN SCALE - The 2nd...
There is an ERROR here at 13:48, the "bVI - bVII - I" chords are incorrectly labeled - should be "Bb - C - Dm. (thanks icanplaytehdrums)
Riffing with Modes part 1 (Ionian) found here: • Riffing With Modes #1:...
Dorian is capable of way more than just jazz and funk. This video teaches how to write riffs with the Dorian mode, and also how to arrange those riffs into a full song. We explore a little bit of modal interchange, by borrowing from the parallel minor key, but mostly focus in on the 2nd mode.
Don’t take me too seriously when I say that dad rock isn’t “too complicated or insightful”. I’m generalizing, for better or for worse.
FAQ:
Q: Why does your song sound like “Turn The Page”?
A: Because the chord progression for that song is the same- except it is in E dorian instead of D, and this song the chord changes every measure instead of every two. Also he sings the lyric "There I go", and I sing the lyric "There he goes"
Q: Why does your song sound like Metallica?
A: Because I’m trying to sound like James Hetfield
Q: Why does your song sound like Bon Jovi’s “Wanted: Dead or Alive”?
A: Because it’s played on an acoustic guitar, the tonal center is D, and I bend the minor third into that twangin territory.
Q: Why does your song sound like Bon Jovi’s “You Give Love A Bad Name”?
A: Because of that big major IV chord in the prechorus that resolves to the tonic. It’s heard in the prechorus of both songs.
Q: Why does your song remind me of “Norweigan Wood” by the Beatles?
A: Because the pick-strumma-strumma in 6/8 is similar to the pick-strumma-strumma in that song.
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Table of Contents:
00:00 Intro
01:44 Picking a Dorian Key
02:43 Writing a Dorian Chord Progression
03:31 Using Rhythms in 6/8
05:51 Writing Riffs
08:55 Applying Guitar Layers
10:10 Writing a Verse
10:41 Adding a Bassline
11:26 Adding Vocals
11:58 Writing a New Chord Progression
14:23 Writing a Chorus
15:04 Closing the Song
15:48 "Willing To Bleed"
17:37 Wrapping Up
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I guess I pissed off a lot of dads with this intro. In case you couldn't tell, I love this kind of music, so don't read too deeply into my taco-bell comment. As a dad would say, "quit crying about it"
OMG seriously? If you're triggered by this, loosen up your man bun.
Best to quote "Dad-rocker" Don Henley - "Get Over It". :-)
Hey Jake, quick question.
Why would you be counting the 6 8th notes as quarter notes? Would't that just make it 2 bars of 3/4?
Your Taco Bell comment was really accurate indeed
I am almost 50. I enjoy listening and learning from your channel. If any other “dads” get twisted about this they have the issues not you.
_Come gather 'round children_
_It's high time ye learned_
_'bout a hero named Homer_
_and a devil named Burns_
The son's name was bart
a wise ass it seems
Lisa the daughter
the one with the dreams
Bout a hero named boomer
So we'll march day and night / by the big cooling tower / they have the plant / but we have the power
Yessssss the strike episode. Hey, play classical gas
NEKOmancer they sing without FLUNGERS, capDABBLERS and SWENDLERS?!
1: your hetfield actually sounded like hetfield to the point that my ear forgot it was an impression
2: you become a father when u raise a child, u become a dad when u appreciate dad puns and/or dad rock. if this applies to any women reading this, too bad you're a dad now. if you look under your bed there'll be a new pair of new balances
3: if this were on an album with "a truck is a man's best friend" i'd listen to the hell out of it tbh
4: good video as always, cheers mate
Jokes on you. The dad joke is projection and I dont take offense to what boils down to an innocuous job title.
After your Definition i am already a Dad (yes i love stupid puns i regret nothing)
Guy needs to put together an album with each song designed to piss off a different genre
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I know it’s only rock ‘n’ roll but I love it I’m already a granddad.
That Hetfield impression is spot on. Just end every word with "-uh" :-).
Yeah-hea!!!
Yeah
FuzzzWuzzz you’re getting him mixed up with Kirk Hammett
Oooh!
Jim Breuer does the best Hetfield lol
I can't wait to practice my impression of your impression of James' impression of Bob Seger.
This definitely sounds like it came off of Load or Reload
Exactly what I thought!! There's a Mama Said vibe to it
Turn the Page too. He's fucking right it's quite a powerful scale
Which, ironically, is how you become a dad.
Theres a little hint in the intro that reminds me of Bleeding me.
Absolutely could have been on load or reload.
" well all the green things died when Ronnie came to this place..."
I like it that dad rock is now being used as an actual term instead of a slur
"DON'T USE THE D-R-WORD IT'S OFFENSIVE"
@@trialbystone2532 Yeah you bunch of N-words! --that's nerd BTW!!!
We would be absolutely nowhere without dad and granddad rock.
You kids and your dad rock. I listen to grandpa rock.
Of course like 10 years from now the dads will be people who grew up listening to emo and hip hop and EDM. Will Linkin Park one day be known as dad rock? Stay tuned to find out
You gotta growl, "Yeeeaaahhhh" every so often for authenticity.
This looks like a song about a gunslinger getting revenge in the wild west
I was actually thinking of The Gunslinger and the Man in Black from Stephen King's Dark Tower series. The original opening line was "In the cold of the morning, far north from here, the man wearing black moves along". But Man in the Mask Moves along has more alliteration and I thought that would be better to sing
@@SignalsMusicStudio Very evocative and haunting. Great choice in terms of atmosphere and setting mood. Your videos are always informative and understandable.
Thanks for doing what you do.
@@SignalsMusicStudio
"I was actually thinking of The Gunslinger and the Man in Black from Stephen King's Dark Tower series." I KNEW IT!!!!! Man, those books are ingrained in my code at this point, I could sense that there a relation to the Tower in that song even though you just masked it! :p
@@SignalsMusicStudio The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.
@@Stephenguitar93 it's the _ka_ speaking through the song :D
99% of the time, the TH-camrs that have taught me so many invaluable lessons, whenever they wright a song, I can't help but think "you might wanna stick to teaching".
This is not one of those times. Good work. Great riff.
If you're not on Spotify (which I'm sure you are) now's the time.
This is the perfect video to go along with my midlife crisis guitar playing.
First, you listen to this kind of music, then you find a girl who listens to this kind of music, and then you become a dad. Your dad did it it too.
Gopher-face-James is killing me 😂
Dad rock, absolute chad genre. This also comes at just the right time as I'm trying to write a sea shanty in dorian at the moment.
TrialByStone gotta have rated arrrrrrrrg lyrics.
@@AmbiguousEntity since the chord progression tends to stick with this i-VII vamp I regret to inform you that so far I've not been hitting any high Cs, just low ones.
TrialByStone thank you.
How did it go? Im sure it would be very popular right about now.
I feel so lucky to have a genuine musician explain how things work and teach them in a way even I can understand. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and opening up something I had not a clue about. Really cool of you thanks
good for you. it's all greek to me
ebsen raptzski Friend I was exactly the same about 18 months ago. Every single thing I know about theory is from you tube and mainly from this guy. Really worth it I promise you just start at the beginning and take your own time .
@@ebsenraptzski9522 But when you start to get it it's best feeling... just take small bites, it's worth.
Wait I can’t read music does that mean I’m not a “genuine” musician? Because I have like 2 albums of supposedly worthless music then.
james forest
Obviously not I cannot read a note of music. But understanding a little guitar theory really took my playing to another level and I really appreciate everything I have learnt from this guy. I am just a bedroom guitar player and probably do not have your talent, but can hand on heart say learning some basic theory has truly increased my enjoyment on our instrument.
I’d say that it’s fairly accurate to say that mixolydian makes mom rock and dorian makes dad rock.
Momsolydian and Dadian
I think you unlocked a parental cheat code
🎯
I became a parent shortly after learning mixolydian
not at all. AC/DC live in the mixolydian mode and they're not mom rock
Jake, your videos are absolutely phenomenal. Everything is so well structured, organized, and polished. You are refreshingly articulate. Your lessons are complete, immediately understandable, practical, and always extremely entertaining, often laugh out loud funny. The joy and enthusiasm you radiate is contagious and inspiring. This is some of the best content I have seen on TH-cam. I hope you never stop teaching because you are building an amazing legacy.
If this sounds like a rip-off to you, check the description for a list of songs I think it sounds like and why
Signals Music Studio Hi jake, could you analize the sax part in the song Going Home by the Dire Straits (Mark Knopfler) and why it sounds so astonishingly heart-orgasmic?
Hey man, I would really like to buy your poster, but I don't need it in paper. Is there any chance you will ever sell it as a pdf?
Just subscribed to your Patreon and found the png file. This will help a lot, thanks! I will keep my subscription for at least a year, your lessons are great.
@@diogodores1423 thanks for signing up and glad u found that file!
Is it possible to hear your song entirely?
Hi Dorian, I'm Dad
I'm crying with laughter at your Hetfield impersonation 😂 It's almost spooky how close it is.
16:38 he wanted to say yeahhh so bad
😬
"I am a dad and I approve this message." I learn something with every video you do. Thank you and keep it up!
“There he goes..”
Turn the page
Another inspirational lesson. I love how you teach concepts and demonstrate how to write with them so clearly and memorably. I always come away with something to add to the arsenal.
Incredible tutorial. You explain songwriting so well and that's why I keep coming back to your amazing channel. Thank you for sharing all the secret sauces! 🙏
This guy is a great teacher. Whew. Last time I played guitar was when a teen, but this guy makes me wanna pick it up again.
Over a year later I’m still coming back to listen to this demo snippet-if you ever fancy making a full version of the song, I’d be so stoked on that. Also, thanks so much for this whole series on the modes-your videos massively helped my understanding of how to work with them.
excellent Hetfield impression
After Mom Jeans were reclaimed by the young uns it was only a short matter of time before Dad Rock's turn.
Listen to "The War On Drugs". They are the Platonic Ideal of younger peeps stealing Dad Rock and making it better.
You are, hands down, the best music teacher on youtube!
This is amazing content. And the song is fantastic. I could listen to it for hours over and over. I've been watching your videos for awhile, and have always been impressed with your teaching style, but never realized how truly talented you are.
This is your best series by far, I sit at the edge of my seat every minute of the video with my notepad and guitar. Easily the most helpful videos and easiest to understand, when it comes to writing music and using different modes!
Finally!!! I've been waiting weeks for your next video!!!
I love how you break down songwriting to very elemental blocks. You are the best teacher for songwriting I have seen. Thank you for sharing your knowledge Jake!
The way you are so familiar with all the elements to construct a piece of music and the way you manipulate them to create a very specific mood is so inspiring, you make it seem almost effortless (and I know it's not at all!)
I discovered your channel I think about 2 weeks ago, and I have to say that I think you are one of THE BEST teachers of music theory on the entire internet! I love your videos. Succinct, to the point, but so accurate and full of great tips and information.
Thank you.
You're the best guitar and music teacher I've watched... My goodness you are amazing
This was seriously great. Idk why TH-cam recommended a two year old video but it was just what I needed right now. I don’t even “like” the tone/timbre/quality of dad rock, at all, but it’s perfectly simplistic for an example & explanation of basic songwriting. Terrific execution dude, it sounded great.
I've become a fan of yours. Your videos are filled with valuable information and watching you construct a piece of music is enlightening and inspirational. Often times I watch and rewatch the same video. Thanks for putting out such valuable content.
You are my go to songwriting channel , never fail to blow my mind each time
You have a true gift for creative teaching , keep it up man !
I love seeing you implement the modes in non-traditional ways, like you were saying with Dorian usually being jazzy or funky. I hope you make a cool melodic song for Phrygian instead of the typical metal stuff you hear! Awesome video, and I hope the next one comes out sooner!!!!
Sincerely, you make great quality content. Thanks for doing what you do.
Love these videos! Thanks for all the effort you put in. Can't wait for your lydian and phrygian composition!
Man, your channel is pure gold. Thanks from Brazil.
These vids are great. You certainly know how to convey musical concepts clearly and concisely. Thank you.
Amazing video man!! Learnt so much from this.
Your Hetfield 'gritted teeth' look is spot on too!
Jake this was a fantastic video. I love how you take complicated things and make them simple and applicable. For me this was a lesson of not only how to use dorian for composition; but also song arrangement and how to get different sounds and textures to work together. I love the writing with modes series, I have learned a lot. Thank you.
Jake everyday I learn more and get better and your video Jumpstart my creative mind. You're a wonderful teacher!
Wow Jake, you’ve just written Wanted Dead or Alive.
I was hearing the same thing. It would have sounded even more similar if hadn't Hetfielded it.
@@aubreydewbre8659 This!
I was hearing Blaze of Glory
I knew it reminded of something. Thank you :)
@@Edham1975 which was just Bon Jovi ripping themselves off
You've made a perfect James Hetfield impression! Congratulation!
This is the second video I came across of you and you do a killer job at explaining the theory, subbed and will be checking out the rest of them.
This is definitely my favorite music instruction channel on TH-cam. The way you talk about composing, and the hidden logic in the compositional choices we make, jibes exactly with how I think about music. Of course you want your song to sound good. But part of what makes it sound good -- to my ear anyway -- is how the puzzle pieces fit together. When I think of great songwriters -- The Beatles, the Beach Boys, Nirvana -- I think about how they find ways to bend the form while using an underlying logic that brings it all together. Your analysis of the line cliche in "Something" is a perfect example of what I mean.
You are the best music theory teacher on YT.
I’m a music theory professor and no, I would not fail you for saying you’re in the key if D Dorian.
The key (pun intended) is the composers intention. Odds are Bach and Mozart wouldn’t have thought in D Dorian, rather D minor, with the G being a V/VII (even that’s not right, but I’m still pre-coffee this morning), but for modern songwriting D Dorian is fine.
didn't get popular until the late 50's coffehouses,,,clove cigarettes, berets, and a stoner noodlin on a beat- up stella guitar..the dead took it to a whole new level.
Isn't D Dorian the key of C Major, but in a different mode? Lol
I'm under the impression that you can't refer to Dorian as a key--it's a mode. So that would make this song a modal progression.
Eh .. what about JS Bach's famous "Dorian" toccata?
@@katorzhnik Why not? Let music theory evolve. Minor is a mode of major, but we're allowed to say "minor key", but not "Dorian key"?? Maybe we shouldn't allow people to say "major key" because after all the major scale is just the seventh mode of the Dorian scale! Not fair to Dorian. No need to impose that arbitrary distinction. If you're in "A minor" but your tonic chord is a D minor chord, then let's call the key D Dorian, it makes more sense!
Love the new format mate, great high quality video as always
Just wanted to say, I really enjoy these videos. As someone who can't really afford lessons, I often find myself turning to youtube for education in these regards, and it's so hard to find someone actually worth their salt when it comes to teaching. So, thank you so very much for making these videos. Cheers! :)
Jake. I’ve only just come across your lessons in recent days. After playing guitar for 30 years on and off I’ve only ever learned songs I liked to play using tab and heaps of time, never really understanding why it sounds so good. I’ve learned more in 3 days than I have in 30 years thanks to you and more than that, getting excited because I’m beginning to understand music! The way you explain it has just clicked with me, thanks so much! This particular episode made me laugh a few times, the Taco Bell one lol. But the little clip you made was so funny overlaying Jame’s mouth...haha. The sample itself was great. If James ever gets laryngitis you might be getting a call 😜 If that fails I’m sure radio would take you on for sure. Keep up the great work 👍
Never heard of “ dad rock”, but it seems it’s the music that was fresh when I was young, which is depressing.
lol dont stress it, Im only 25 and I'm already like wtf is this trap bullshit? I just want to go back to the 60s-90s music
Happens to us all. I feel like 2005 was a high point in metal and a lot of this djent/prog stuff all sounds the same. But thats part of getting older, and some people will have their youth defined by trap and mumble rap and some people will think Machine Head/Lamb of God/etc. is just noise.
Jake I love your videos. I always learn so much and you are a great teacher. You always take complicated concepts and break them down so they are simple and applicable. For me, this was a lesson of not only how to use the Dorian mode for composition, but also a mini course on song arrangement, composition and how to create different colors and textures with your instruments. I love this series of writing with the different modes. I have learned many, many new ideas to use in my own writing.Thank you so much!!
Keep coming those videos, you're my favorite music theory(guitar) instructor and you inspire me to get better at teaching!
Would love some theory on the Ben Harper / Jack Johnson style of music. Your channel is awesome, mate! Learning a ton 👍🏻
Your song sounds so much like “the man’s too strong” by dire straits
Dude.... I have learned more from you in a week from your videos then all the others on you tube. You are awesome my friend... oh I just ordered you charts..
Just found this and now know I need to live in the Dorian realm. Your talent is unbelievable my friend!
"I understand that perspective, and I also hate that perspective"
Same
You're the best bro. keep it up!. Can't wait for those Lydian and Phrygian songs!! Perhaps Phrygian dominant as well? just saying haha. Saludos desde Venezuela!
Jake has covered Phrygian Dominant already. Very cool lesson.. th-cam.com/video/aCZezZf9bi0/w-d-xo.html
Man, I tell you... I have never seen someone explain how to come up with a song in simple steps like this. Writing out and taking the time to explain how you came to the final riff, is absolutely impressively done. Easy to follow, and explaining the "why" you chose 6/8, what it sounds like, some characteristics you went for, it really makes the writing process easier when you have in mind what you want to evoke.
I've seen hundreds of videos of people "cutting to the chase" and not really taking the time to explain it all as thoughtfully as you did, and it is extremely valuable. I hate bell notifications usually even from channels I love, but I can't not now. That's just too impressive to ignore. Thanks so much for taking the time!
Hello Jake, I ordered your Ultimate Modal Poster. It's very helpful and looks great! The quality of the print and paper ist excellent. I highly recommend it! Go on with your great lessons!! Thanks!!!
I love the added mouth to the James Hetfield pic. LOL! You have a great sense of humor!!!
Dorian and mixolydian are the favs of my fav guitarist Mick Taylor! :D
This is killer man. It's really insightful to get to see the whole process. Thanks a lot!
Great combination of concise practical teaching and tongue in cheekv humour.. Super and fun
Hey man, someone else may have pointed this out I noticed that at 13:48, the "bVI - bVII - I" chords are incorrectly labeled - should be "Bb - C - Dm." Still though, awesome video! I've gained a huge appreciation of all of the different modes because of your videos.
Good catch! I don't how it happened but it looks like I was thinking of the Em key when i was editing ???
my exact thoughts
@@SignalsMusicStudio E key, you mean "the guitar key"? 😛
i always knew this was a dad rock channel
love the videos, really helped me alot with my playing and knowledge on modes. really fun to play along with your songwriting tips and constructing them. keep up the great work
Great job Jake, I just love your humor.
"You want to free your mind about a concept of harmony and of music being correct,
You can do whatever you want." - Giovanni Giorgio
The gray hair photos in the thumbnail made *me* feel old :/
How aren't they still in their 20s?
Too real!
In some markets, that would be a hit song. You're amazing how fluidly you pour out all this theory and application, love your channel.
This video is GOLD! Just what ive been working on and this is great structure! thanks man!!
the title could be "how to sound like metalica" ^^
Are you going to Scarborough Fair?
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme
Cause I’m wanted dead or alive !!
All songs sound the same sooner or later. Great video!! You explain thing very well !! Thanks !!
Wow, I just got the Bon Jovi part myself.
@@C0urne yup,I think he just showed us how to write every Bon Jovi song ever! 🤣
k...this is one of the best songwriting videos I've seen. you've got a great way of explaining things son!
Another excellent video, Jake. Love it!
The idea of if you’re in dorian or aeolian mentioned at the end I think is funny considering that aeolian was originally just considered an altered version of dorian back in the medieval period with early Gregorian modes. So I’d say that the idea of using dorian with aeolian borrowed chords is more accurate to the original concept of the modes.
I didn't know that. I mean aeolian altered version of dorian. Very interesting, but with a lot of sense. Now I can explain myself why some songs using dorian it seems old, maybe even medieval to me, but never for aeolian.
"As long as you know what you are doing, and can convey that information then its fine"
That right there folks. Music theory, not music law.
Thank you for presenting this information in such a fantastic way - really showing the application of theory in a creative context and making it more digestible and fun for people :) and great video too!
Great stuff as usual. Really appreciate all the hard work you do man!
I got an ad that starts off with the same chord in the beginning
This lesson is beyond awesome. I was taking it all in until the James Hetfield animation, now I am crying with laughter. I will try and rewatch, thanks Jake. Oh yeah, the acoustic part has got a bit of Working Class hero feel to it, I guess that's the Am-G in 6/8 (Lennon chords), compared to your Dm-C, correct???
Ditto! This is exactly why I love this channel! I learn a lot, and there is usually something totally hilarious just around the next corner. And Jake totally looks like one of my longest friends too, so it feels like learning something from one of my best friends' brother or something.
@@NeoRichardBlake Hiya Sean, if you have recovered from his Hetfield check out his Bro Country video, another tickler, he definitely seems to be adopting a policy of splitting your sides with learning.
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Bro Country, now Dad Rock, family fun all round. Hey Jake, 'something for the ladies' buddy???
The lesson and the song is super awesome! Thank you, you are my favorite guitar teacher! Rocking in the Philippines here.
I love this channel, I am learning so much. Thank you Jake for the work. BTW: rockin' tune.
Non-Picardy resolution of the Mario?
isnt 6/8 just 3/4 but longer?
Twice as many beats, but they’re shorter/quicker
Man I absoutley love this short song, it genuinely sounds incredible!
Unsurprisingly, yet another fantastic video. Song is awesome to boot. I look forward to writing and recording with the Dorian mode thanks to your incredibly easy to follow and awesome instruction. Thanks so much; your channel deserves immense growth. 👍🤘
My 5th grade math teacher, Mrs. Lippa, would insist it's 3/4 time.
Mrs. Lippa would be wrong :(
@@SignalsMusicStudio Ha!
@@SignalsMusicStudio Love your videos, btw. You're a great teacher and I've learned a lot from you. Thanks!
Hey Jake how are you?
Hey what's up man!
@@SignalsMusicStudio How have you been?
@@alexhristov2481 Good thx- tell the fam I said HELLOOOO
@@SignalsMusicStudio Thanks, man. They say hi. 😁👋Hope business is good. PEACE ✌✌
Really enjoyed your enthusiasm with video Jake. Nicely done Sir.
I’ve been waiting SO LONG for this!