Woah, a Sunday upload. Very rare. (I heard it’s bad for the algorithm but whatever) I somehow missed the fact that Echoes minimum was actually 9.1k and not 10k. That being said, it’s still very close, so it’ll basically come down to where you have the better substats.
Just a small advice, use yunjin, yunjin buffs normal atk and even pars with Benny's buffs, I suggest the team to be, ayato benny xiangling and yunjin, then you'll see ayato nomal atks can consistently get up to 18-20k without vapes
My yunjin increases my basic attack ayaka around 5500-7000 to 10000-12000 Don't ask me why I use yunjin with ayaka I just want to see how much yunjin help my ayaka Edit my yunjin is at lv 90 because I think she is a good support
Ayato's best set depends on what stats and weapon you have. With Haran, He takes advantage of Echoes much more than with other weapons, But when you have something like a Mistsplitter he takes advantage of Gladiators to a greater degree, Heart of depth is stuck in that happy middle ground. TLDR His best set is dependent on his weapon
@@YourlocalPoliteCat the crit damage on hod is kind of useless considering how bad it’s base attack is. you should use amenoma or black sword instead :)
heart is better in most situations, echos get affected by your ping if its more than 100, you get less artifact set procs, I farmed echos for Ayato for a month then switched to Heart of depth cause heart is more consistent and dont get affected by rng doing 10-11-12 consistently is better than 9-10-15-9-10-11 ectra and imagine not criting the boosted hit madge
@@KillingMachine56656 sometimes it's not about the internet but where you live genius like me i have perfect ping for league,valorant etc but 120 ping on genshin..lel
@@alexanderluna4598 he is one of the top politicians in inazuma and represents raiden shogun. He also says that no matter what happens he’s loyal to raiden ( he helped ayaka and kazuha’s escape through ordering to his shuumatsuban ninjas) so it makes sense. also the purple color really matches with his outfit.
I think it’s echos with haran, then gladiator, then hod. My echos with 84 crit 196 c damage, can keep up with my 74 crit and 227 c damage gladiator set. I use jade cutter because I haven’t leveled up my haran yet.
Ayato is an amazing unit. He fits any team, he provides contstant value, he has a really high uptime on his attacks, he doesnt need a Bennet to work, but can easily use Yun Jin with even better results. AND he is extremely comfortable to use. From the moment I got him he is always in my overwolrd team (as his E reaches quite high so he can reach enemies my other units can t + long boy) AND also always in one of my abyss teams. Based of the Sumeru leaks I am also pretty confident that his value will go even higher once dendro is introduced.
idk if anyone else has mentioned this yet but fun fact: if your ping/ms is above 60, Echoes of an Offering kinda stops working properly and its 4pc effect will be more inconsistent than it already is.
I tried using Ayato with Fischl recently as I got her to C6 from the event and I gotta say this is a really nice duo. So you can also try them together it is really fun.
From what I learned from this Genshin guide a friend showed me..the reason a lot of people take heart of depth over echoes is because echoes is individually ping reliant. Heart is more consistent in the damage department in either case.
I run my Ayato with heart of depth and mistplitter. I didn't luck out with harran sword, but getting mistplitter after that made me not care. Ayato slaps hard with it :)
@Amber yes, Mitsplitter is Ayaka swords, I don't have Ayaka, but got Mitsplitter for Ayato too. Haram is his swords, but he's good with both options and Mitsplitter in general is a better option for others charaters as well.
I personally prefer the consistency, over higher potential damage,I think Gladiator is technically his best consistent set for normal attacks, while HoD Boost both his skill and burst damage. I just use heart of depth personally cuz it makes him versatile as both a main and sub dps.
iirc based on the power of maths, Echoes is a 7 or 8% damage increase over 4pc gladiator and 4pc HoD. But given it has an extra layer of rng it might not be worth it. Especially since the domain it has also has the artifact set that only Xiao uses. Also I remember complaints that it doesn't work with users who have a high ping lmao.
I personally have my Ayato in a 4pc glad with PJC, because my stats are a lot better 2.1k atk, 83% crit rate, and 250% crit dmg. Triple-crowned, so his regular normal attacks still do a decent amount of damage :)
I can't wait for Ayato's rerun. I was saving for Ayaka when he came out and I'm kind of sad I didn't pull for him, as I loved playing him as a trial character in some of the events.
one of my abyss teams is c1 ayato+haran, c5 bennett, c6 xl, zhongli/c1 kazuha+weapon and it's insane how much dmg that team does!! ayato is a great character and it makes me sad how easily he was forgotten. a consistent high dmg dps
Ayato is by far my most favourite dps. It’s just so fun and easy to activate his skill and hold e and watch him destroy absolutely everyone. Artifact grinding has been absolutely soul sucking so the fact that he works well with gladiators as well makes him one of the easiest characters I built.
Appreciate you taking the time to test artifacts, it's always fun to watch and interesting! Pro tip: If you want him to vape more of Xiangling's waves replace Zhongli/Ayaka with Fischl (the electro interaction allows him to vaporize more consistently) Another tip: Yun Jin is good for his personal damage, but for team DPS it's better to pair him with Xingqiu or Fischl + Kazuha. His best teams are Taser and Soups. Can't wait to see how he'll interact with Dendro!
personally, i would use yun jin over xiangling because yun jin's normal atk boost and c6 atk speed boost are definitely more valuable than a vaporize reaction every once in a while. also, c2 jean's atk speed boost with 4pc viridescent for res shred helps a lot, although maybe not as much as ayaka's extra damage if she's built well.
i recommend the team to be ayato, kazuha, benny, (free unit space, i use zhongli). then you do benny Q, kazu Q, kazu E, ayato E. kazu's ult will continuously apply pyro to enemies from benny's ult, and you'll get fairly consistent vapes. i use this team with my childe and it works SUPER well, esp with zhongli shield shredding added in there
i actually have him on a 4 PC shimenawa. if you're using him as main dps it's pretty good! wouldn't work with the ayaka team comp tho since his burst would be a more there
i can still use his burst just well though. The E gives me more energy than it makes me lose. i getlike 80% the energy from other characters on the team and have my burst ready by the time the E is done. it's probably a few later than normal but i don't mind. i don't think the burst really does that much damage by itself so I'm using shimenawa
There are other videos which compare all three sets, and Glad is actually unconditionally above HoD and situationally equal with Echoes (when they proc on non-crits or too rarely). So if you have a Glad set with great substats, it’s safe to assume it will perform better than Echoes with mid substats or HoD with decent substats.
Some team comps I've seen before usually had 'Jean (c2 for atk speed), yun jin, chongyun (e for atk speed), and ayato as main dps is good to get those hits in and more dmg quicker.
Remember: your expected average damage goes down by a few percentage points for every Ms of ping you have, so if someone has 200 ping then echoes is worthless
Here’s my thoughts about artifacts for ayato. If you have c6 yunjin, thats when echos shines(together with haran gepaku futsu.) echos damage defends on how many slash ayato gives for it is a chance. So having a high attack speed team comps will help you proc the echos damage more often, same goes with haran’s passive. If you dont have yunjin c6, thats when you rather have stable addition damage like hearts, gladiator or even shimenawa set.
(there's a TL;Dr) Personally, Echoes is better if ur luck is insane. Otherwise HoD/Heart because it has more benefits and is easier use. HoD is basically his BiS due to the fact that there are no rng related stats and no specific requirements. Personally, the HoD domain is very valuable due to the Blizzard set, while Echoes is just BiS but not really worth if you're not willing/going to build xiao. Also, 100+ or 200+ ms (i don't remember properly) Echoes becomes inconsistent making it much worse than HoD. In Short, Echoes is BiS but a bit of waste if you're not going to build Xiao at the same time and if your ping is +100-200 HoD is much better as it is also resin efficient due to Blizzard Strayer. edit: ms is your ping, i believe it on the top right underneath the character icon if you know what i mean.
Basically it all boils down to whether or not you want consistency or more RNG. Its also worth noting that the echoes 4 piece bonus is affected by your ping, so higher latency ping makes triggering the bonus much less likely.
HoD and Glad are his most consistent sets since it's basically unconditional damage buffs-- just use auto attacks for Glad, and you always use his skill before he attacks with HoD. Echoes only works when your ping is around 90 for some reason which makes it extremely inconsistent. His weapons on the other hand are quite equal (Haran-Jade-Mist), it more depends on your sub stats but assuming they are all equal it's Haran->Jade-> Mist iirc. :> you can also try a mix of 18% ATK and HoD but not shimenawa- his burst is really important
I’ve been farming Blizzard for Kaeya and within a month i have gotten 3 godlike pieces for Heart of Depth and like 4 good Blizzard. I guess im getting Ayato on his next run!
Echoes is better in doin damage! I have 195cd echoes Haran on him and made a damage test with my Frd who has Haran and 230cd but uses HOD but I did more! :D
Ayato is currently my main DPS. I have the 2-piece Heart of Depth and the Sacrificial Sword on him. For me, he works great with Lisa, Bennett and Zhongli. If I'm lucky to have all their bursts, I do Benny burst, Ayato burst, Lisa burst and Ayato skill. He shreds man. I sit back and enjoy all electro charges. Sometimes I replace Lisa with Xiangling. Both teams work great for me.
Important to note hearth of depths boosts the ult which is useful for quadratic scaling when you are in multiple enemy situations. Ayato will probably get a new lease on life for dendro reactions so he may find a new team he wants to be in! Tbh I like HoD because its easiest for me to farm and i can farm blizzard strayer simultaneously.
@@salayy Probably not. Her burst isn't the main star, but it still does something, and it'd require more ER if you want to user her burst. Echos is, as I understand it, has her autos comparable, if inferior, but with no drawbacks. Shimenawa's biggest strength is probably its synergy with her signature weapon. Of course, both will probably become irrelevant once the EM set comes out is Summeru.
The reason for the higher difference with Bennett boost is because it adds a flat amount of atk to Ayato which is what the artifact scales off of so there is a bigger scaling diff.
My current team in the overworld consists of Ayato, Yunjin, Kazuha and Diona. I gave Ayato a gladiator set and has R1 Haran equiped. He can hit more or less around 30K in the overworld if I'm actually able to finish setting up all my supports before the enemies die (Kazuha, I'm looking at you). I bet that his hits will hit harder if I used Benny instead of Diona.
Well, I'm glad Echoes of an Offering's Valley Rite works on Ayato, but the way it's worded really implies that it wouldn't. I thought elemental skill altered attacks usually counted as elemental skill attacks, not normal attacks. ...might have to experiment with Tartaglia a bit, too.
Thoma C6 - Ayato - Yae - Anemo Flex (preferably Kazuha/Venti/Sucrose/Jean) is perfect for him. Especially if you have Haran on him. Thoma for Shield/Support + 4pc NB (Full HP with ER sub) + Favonius Spear Ayato for enabler/Main DPS + 4 pc Glad/HoD + Mistsplitter/Haran Yae for electro reactor/Sub DPS + 2pc att / 2 pc electro > EM > att + Kagura/Widsith/Lost Prayer Anemo Flex for CC/Support + 4pc VV
I use Hod because I did that domain a lot for Childe and Ayaka, plus I like it’s a bit more consistent than Echoes. It’s just very very consistent, you know what damage you’re gonna get
I run my ayato with HOD and he hits 9k without buffs but with Bennett and kazuha he hits approximately 20k every 3rd it goes from approximately 15k-17k-20k
How can you actually tell which attacks are with the valley rite tho? Because his slashes have different scalings, which is why some numbers are lower and some higher + you might not crit every time
the small difference in scaling wont make it go from 11k to 15k though. with less of a buff it might be harder to tell yeah but here it was fairly clear.
I must say, idk if this got fix/is really true. but since echoes passive basically works on very fast snd constant activations, the chances can change depending on your framerate. genshin relies on frames for chance in combat, is somewhat common in games to give on time updates based on frames. but basically, if your framerate is bad, you are more likely to not get the passive than someone with a very good and stable framerate. Anyways, there are surely other videos in youtube that explain this better than I do, if you want an explanation that’s more precise or easier to understand
This, and also I noticed that playing on my controller (which I bought pre-owned and it clearly has seen better days) just gives slower attacks on hold attack than when I play on keyboard and hold the mouse button. Very frustrating, absolutely no way to fix other than buying a new controller, absolutely not worth to justify spending on a new controller. So I stay with Gladiator for consistency on my slower hits hahah.
I use 4pc Gladiator on him since HoD is the most painful domain for me (I was constantly getting 20-28 Crit dmg rolls on one art but little to none of Crit rate or er, building Childe on my alt is torture) and Echos’ domain is wasting my time, since that would be farming for one character while doing other domains benefits multiple (some people have Xiao, but I don’t and Yoimiya has better options). Gladiator is also very easy to collect with satisfaying stats (80/220, 1900 atk with Black sword).
Try Ayato, Shogun, kazuha, and then flex the last spot (zhongli or benny depending on what you’re doing) that’s my current domain speedrun team, usually leaves me with sub 30 or sub 20 runs.
Personally, I have him on gladiators with 60 crit rate and 250 crit dmg so I'm keeping him on that cause even if the set buffs are worse there's no way i can get those stats on another set
if u want to do vape ayato u can do : ayato burst, xiangling burst and skill, benny burst and skill, kazuha burst and skill, adnt hen have fun with ayato!
just some advice from an ayato main, if you use venti, bennett and ayato together it shreds opponents. first do venti skill then burst to animation cancel, then switch to bennett, burst then skill to get haran stacks and so venti burst swirls pyro, then switch to ayato and either use burst then skill or just immediately go to using the skill.
Me with amenoma and gladiator doing 9/10k each slash with just him no extra buffs I would have to grind that domain like crazy to try get as good artifacts as the glad ones I already have
I think the main issue with Echoes is that it's very resin inefficient and you need a 4pc set for it to be worth it, as compared to farming Shime/Emblem for the same 2pc set + one of the best sets in the game for many characters. It's perfectly good on Ayato, and in some cases can be better than HoD, but unless you're an Ayato hyper-main, or also own Xiao, it's unlikely to be worth the resin. I do hope Vermillion Hereafter gets more characters who can use its 4pc one day. Plus you can get away with only running 2 HoD (until you find a good 4pc set), so it's much more efficient to farm (and Strayer is, also, a great set if you have freeze comps)
Ayato's artifact choices depend on both your weapon, as well as even your ping If you're using Amenoma, PJC or a Black Sword you generally should go for Heart of Depths - it gets you basically the same dmg as Echoes, the difference will depend on your substats With Mistsplitter, you should go for either Echoes or Gladiator - again, no real difference With Haran you should go for Echoes, but the difference is still only 6% so if you already have really good HoD/Glad pieces, those sets are gonna be better And that's where another factor comes in that's sad for Echoes - your ping Ideally, the passive should proc on around 50% of your hits, but to achieve that you need veeery low ping (less than 10 ping). At 20-50 ping, it drops to around 40%, then to 30% with 200+ ping. And that lower proc rate can close the gap between Echoes and HoD/GF (that gap was already small) - so, unless you have Haran and a VEEERY good internet connection just don't farm Echoes, it's not gonna be worth it
You should try Ayato with Shimenawa’s his second passive regens energy fast enough that the -15 doesn’t matter too much and it’s a huge boost to his dmg as well as more consistent
so i have very low ping. but no echo pieces. atm i have a hod set with not good stats like 50 crit chance and 147 crit damage. i like the idea of getting random big numbers with echoes. do u think the farm would be worth it or just stick to hod or gladiator and work on better stats sense their technically more resin efficient?
I don't know how your Ayato is doing less damage than mines even though you have better stats and the Bennett buff. I don't use Bennett since I opt for Electro-charge instead, adding 18k average addition damage to each of his swing, but his normal swings still hit for at least 15k even with no Bennett. It's probably the Anemo set bonus lowering the resistance, that bonus does add around the same damage as a Bennet buff.
I heard that the Echoes set is inconsistent in damage along with being reliant on ping. And every once in awhile my ping randomly goes from the smooth 22/24 to suddenly 400/600+ out of nowhere .-. So for me Hearth of Dept will be better for consistent damage, along with Blizzard Strayer for my freeze comp (that is if the game decided to give me Diona or Rosaria, I am lacking Cryo so bad)
Woah, a Sunday upload. Very rare. (I heard it’s bad for the algorithm but whatever) I somehow missed the fact that Echoes minimum was actually 9.1k and not 10k. That being said, it’s still very close, so it’ll basically come down to where you have the better substats.
I’m second :0
Always op content very good
Hi
U can use thet set on yoimiya
lol I assumed that you were rounding it off to 10k anyways so it's all good
Just a small advice, use yunjin, yunjin buffs normal atk and even pars with Benny's buffs, I suggest the team to be, ayato benny xiangling and yunjin, then you'll see ayato nomal atks can consistently get up to 18-20k without vapes
Its better than benny buffs
fischl max conste is also really good on him as well as kazuha
Wouldn't c2 jean also be good for him? (If ur going for atk speed ayato)
@@vastkatss only if u have c2 jean,but yeah,if u do benny jean and yunjin best for hyper carry ayato
My yunjin increases my basic attack ayaka around 5500-7000 to 10000-12000
Don't ask me why I use yunjin with ayaka I just want to see how much yunjin help my ayaka
Edit my yunjin is at lv 90 because I think she is a good support
Echos is weird, it's like having crit hits on top of the regular crit hits
It’s like trying to get your crits to crit.
I fucking hate it. Hod for life for my ayato.
Seems fine to me since it triggers on average about every 3 hits
and its also ping reliant
@@yugani7440 yeah I have red ping so not an option for me
Ayato's best set depends on what stats and weapon you have. With Haran, He takes advantage of Echoes much more than with other weapons, But when you have something like a Mistsplitter he takes advantage of Gladiators to a greater degree, Heart of depth is stuck in that happy middle ground.
TLDR His best set is dependent on his weapon
what if you use harbinger of dawn because you’ll lose all your crit dmg if you take it off 😭
@@YourlocalPoliteCat just use what has better stats
Which set is best for the Black Sword
@@YourlocalPoliteCat the crit damage on hod is kind of useless considering how bad it’s base attack is. you should use amenoma or black sword instead :)
@@YourlocalPoliteCat I mean if you’re around AR 50 Harbinger isn’t really worth using anymore
Ayato is such a great unit. I have him on every abyss run. Even when I can't use hydro, I put him there as a support for Ganyu.
Man I want him
im so jealous...
Nice ship
heart is better in most situations, echos get affected by your ping if its more than 100, you get less artifact set procs, I farmed echos for Ayato for a month then switched to Heart of depth cause heart is more consistent and dont get affected by rng doing 10-11-12 consistently is better than 9-10-15-9-10-11 ectra and imagine not criting the boosted hit madge
Good thing my ping has never been over 100, get better internet lel
@@KillingMachine56656 sometimes it's not about the internet but where you live genius like me i have perfect ping for league,valorant etc but 120 ping on genshin..lel
@@KillingMachine56656 it's about servers dum not internet
@@KillingMachine56656i tried. It literally cannot reach my house.
The Inazuma glider for Ayato is just 👌, perfect color scheme and the description of the glider suites him as well
Isn't it purple tho?🤔
@@riyanbansal6840 yes to represent the Raiden Shogun, And if you look at his color lining on his outfit it matches better than the dragonspine glider
@@reign663 he literally helped his sister rebel against raiden shitgun tho? Why would he wear her colors for his glider?
@@alexanderluna4598 he is one of the top politicians in inazuma and represents raiden shogun. He also says that no matter what happens he’s loyal to raiden ( he helped ayaka and kazuha’s escape through ordering to his shuumatsuban ninjas) so it makes sense. also the purple color really matches with his outfit.
i’ve been using him with gladiator and for me it has been the best set its so weird but it works better idk
it works great on him fam, just have a hydro cup and you'll be fine.
@@Slayyyaphine yup
His signature set actually only 3rd for him:) after glad and hod
I think it’s echos with haran, then gladiator, then hod. My echos with 84 crit 196 c damage, can keep up with my 74 crit and 227 c damage gladiator set. I use jade cutter because I haven’t leveled up my haran yet.
Ayato is an amazing unit. He fits any team, he provides contstant value, he has a really high uptime on his attacks, he doesnt need a Bennet to work, but can easily use Yun Jin with even better results. AND he is extremely comfortable to use.
From the moment I got him he is always in my overwolrd team (as his E reaches quite high so he can reach enemies my other units can t + long boy) AND also always in one of my abyss teams. Based of the Sumeru leaks I am also pretty confident that his value will go even higher once dendro is introduced.
idk if anyone else has mentioned this yet but fun fact: if your ping/ms is above 60, Echoes of an Offering kinda stops working properly and its 4pc effect will be more inconsistent than it already is.
I use gladiator and mitsplitter on Ayato, but this is a good thing to now, considering that my ping is around 150ms.
Not enough it have rng but need good internet as well? What an expensive unit (to max his damage)
I tried using Ayato with Fischl recently as I got her to C6 from the event and I gotta say this is a really nice duo. So you can also try them together it is really fun.
He also have perfect synergy with yae,best taser team:)
From what I learned from this Genshin guide a friend showed me..the reason a lot of people take heart of depth over echoes is because echoes is individually ping reliant. Heart is more consistent in the damage department in either case.
As an Ayato main this makes me happy :,) great video
I run my Ayato with heart of depth and mistplitter. I didn't luck out with harran sword, but getting mistplitter after that made me not care. Ayato slaps hard with it :)
@Amber yes, Mitsplitter is Ayaka swords, I don't have Ayaka, but got Mitsplitter for Ayato too. Haram is his swords, but he's good with both options and Mitsplitter in general is a better option for others charaters as well.
I personally prefer the consistency, over higher potential damage,I think Gladiator is technically his best consistent set for normal attacks, while HoD Boost both his skill and burst damage. I just use heart of depth personally cuz it makes him versatile as both a main and sub dps.
I have a suggestion for a weekly video. How about you do a weekly revisit for old characters you did God mode on! I think it would be very cool
Hey Moga! Ayato’s slashes from his skill can actually do more damage if your opponents get damaged by his clone when it explodes.
iirc based on the power of maths, Echoes is a 7 or 8% damage increase over 4pc gladiator and 4pc HoD. But given it has an extra layer of rng it might not be worth it. Especially since the domain it has also has the artifact set that only Xiao uses. Also I remember complaints that it doesn't work with users who have a high ping lmao.
I personally have my Ayato in a 4pc glad with PJC, because my stats are a lot better
2.1k atk, 83% crit rate, and 250% crit dmg. Triple-crowned, so his regular normal attacks still do a decent amount of damage :)
Come on now Inazuman wings are tailor made for him. The purple accents on his clothes really fit the Inazuman wings perfectly
I can't wait for Ayato's rerun. I was saving for Ayaka when he came out and I'm kind of sad I didn't pull for him, as I loved playing him as a trial character in some of the events.
Best of luck! I may join you to pull for his c1 :)
Hod is better with jade cutter. Echoes/glad is better with Haran
one of my abyss teams is c1 ayato+haran, c5 bennett, c6 xl, zhongli/c1 kazuha+weapon and it's insane how much dmg that team does!! ayato is a great character and it makes me sad how easily he was forgotten. a consistent high dmg dps
Ayato is by far my most favourite dps. It’s just so fun and easy to activate his skill and hold e and watch him destroy absolutely everyone. Artifact grinding has been absolutely soul sucking so the fact that he works well with gladiators as well makes him one of the easiest characters I built.
Would love to see you try Yoimiya with Echoes! People say the set works with her too
🌸😻He is Genshin’s second best Husbando and well worth a look😻🌸
Appreciate you taking the time to test artifacts, it's always fun to watch and interesting!
Pro tip: If you want him to vape more of Xiangling's waves replace Zhongli/Ayaka with Fischl (the electro interaction allows him to vaporize more consistently)
Another tip: Yun Jin is good for his personal damage, but for team DPS it's better to pair him with Xingqiu or Fischl + Kazuha. His best teams are Taser and Soups.
Can't wait to see how he'll interact with Dendro!
personally, i would use yun jin over xiangling because yun jin's normal atk boost and c6 atk speed boost are definitely more valuable than a vaporize reaction every once in a while. also, c2 jean's atk speed boost with 4pc viridescent for res shred helps a lot, although maybe not as much as ayaka's extra damage if she's built well.
Would love to see you try Yoimiya with Echoes! It feels like it might work out and not penalize her burst the way shimenawa does
I would like to see that as well. However, because he uses Thundering Pulse, Shimenawa actually pairs better with it because of the weapon passive.
i recommend the team to be ayato, kazuha, benny, (free unit space, i use zhongli). then you do benny Q, kazu Q, kazu E, ayato E. kazu's ult will continuously apply pyro to enemies from benny's ult, and you'll get fairly consistent vapes. i use this team with my childe and it works SUPER well, esp with zhongli shield shredding added in there
Tbh, gladiator is the best just because it's easy to get amazing pieces with the box , less resin waste 3:
Remember that being affected by Cryo also lowers your attack speed, so it's not just a moderate ping that will reduce the effect of the Echoes set...
i actually have him on a 4 PC shimenawa. if you're using him as main dps it's pretty good! wouldn't work with the ayaka team comp tho since his burst would be a more there
doesn't his burst boost NA's?
@@h0rni_k Yes, Shimenawa is kinda shit on him since energy is still of value for Ayato.
i can still use his burst just well though. The E gives me more energy than it makes me lose. i getlike 80% the energy from other characters on the team and have my burst ready by the time the E is done.
it's probably a few later than normal but i don't mind. i don't think the burst really does that much damage by itself so I'm using shimenawa
Should add glad into the comparison would of been interesting to see especially because it's a mix of both the sets you tested
There are other videos which compare all three sets, and Glad is actually unconditionally above HoD and situationally equal with Echoes (when they proc on non-crits or too rarely). So if you have a Glad set with great substats, it’s safe to assume it will perform better than Echoes with mid substats or HoD with decent substats.
@@jeremiahsmith916 I dont have him 😂 I just wanted to see moga try the sets
Some team comps I've seen before usually had 'Jean (c2 for atk speed), yun jin, chongyun (e for atk speed), and ayato as main dps is good to get those hits in and more dmg quicker.
I always toss to Genshin Optimizer so I get the answer ahahah. Too many variables , but I like you trying it out, experimenting.
Remember: your expected average damage goes down by a few percentage points for every Ms of ping you have, so if someone has 200 ping then echoes is worthless
I was literally thinking i should save for ayato and this happens and confirms so time to save my primos
Here’s my thoughts about artifacts for ayato. If you have c6 yunjin, thats when echos shines(together with haran gepaku futsu.) echos damage defends on how many slash ayato gives for it is a chance. So having a high attack speed team comps will help you proc the echos damage more often, same goes with haran’s passive. If you dont have yunjin c6, thats when you rather have stable addition damage like hearts, gladiator or even shimenawa set.
Whoa did I get here first? Thank you for this video. Been wondering about this very subject lately in fact.
This will be very helpful, I am planning of pulling for him if he gets a rerun
try shimenawa ayato, it's literally his best set if u know how to activate the passive by using his burst then switching to other characters
can u explain how it works
Hun i never tried it, no one ever recommended shimi , i use glad on my ayato
meh 2nd rotation would be clunky af
Shimenawa is only good if you plan of not using his ult. If you use his Q u cant activate shime passive if you dont have energy
@@kugisaki8132 how if you pair him with xingqiu? I'm just curious i don't even have ayato lol
Mathematically Gladiator HoD and Echoes are very similar in damage
(there's a TL;Dr)
Personally, Echoes is better if ur luck is insane. Otherwise HoD/Heart because it has more benefits and is easier use. HoD is basically his BiS due to the fact that there are no rng related stats and no specific requirements. Personally, the HoD domain is very valuable due to the Blizzard set, while Echoes is just BiS but not really worth if you're not willing/going to build xiao. Also, 100+ or 200+ ms (i don't remember properly) Echoes becomes inconsistent making it much worse than HoD.
In Short, Echoes is BiS but a bit of waste if you're not going to build Xiao at the same time and if your ping is +100-200 HoD is much better as it is also resin efficient due to Blizzard Strayer.
edit: ms is your ping, i believe it on the top right underneath the character icon if you know what i mean.
For ms - you meant elementary mastery?
@@fanadia9719 ı think it is Ping. I don't now how it effects the echoes set but I have seen other People talk about it as well.
@@fanadia9719 Echoes is bugged, so the chance of the passive activating goes down the higher your ping is.
Echoes has different results depending on ur ping and lag so if u have those problems it's better to stay on HOD/Glad for consistency
Basically it all boils down to whether or not you want consistency or more RNG.
Its also worth noting that the echoes 4 piece bonus is affected by your ping, so higher latency ping makes triggering the bonus much less likely.
HoD and Glad are his most consistent sets since it's basically unconditional damage buffs-- just use auto attacks for Glad, and you always use his skill before he attacks with HoD. Echoes only works when your ping is around 90 for some reason which makes it extremely inconsistent.
His weapons on the other hand are quite equal (Haran-Jade-Mist), it more depends on your sub stats but assuming they are all equal it's
Haran->Jade-> Mist iirc.
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you can also try a mix of 18% ATK and HoD
but not shimenawa- his burst is really important
it works when your ping is under 90 not around 90
I’ve been farming Blizzard for Kaeya and within a month i have gotten 3 godlike pieces for Heart of Depth and like 4 good Blizzard.
I guess im getting Ayato on his next run!
He’s a cool character (Ayato) but I skipped him for Ayaka which I don’t regret doing. I love mah eternal banner queen.
Echoes is better in doin damage! I have 195cd echoes Haran on him and made a damage test with my Frd who has Haran and 230cd but uses HOD but I did more! :D
Ayato is currently my main DPS. I have the 2-piece Heart of Depth and the Sacrificial Sword on him. For me, he works great with Lisa, Bennett and Zhongli. If I'm lucky to have all their bursts, I do Benny burst, Ayato burst, Lisa burst and Ayato skill. He shreds man. I sit back and enjoy all electro charges. Sometimes I replace Lisa with Xiangling. Both teams work great for me.
Important to note hearth of depths boosts the ult which is useful for quadratic scaling when you are in multiple enemy situations.
Ayato will probably get a new lease on life for dendro reactions so he may find a new team he wants to be in!
Tbh I like HoD because its easiest for me to farm and i can farm blizzard strayer simultaneously.
hey since yoimiya will be rerunning next week, would you be able to test out echos on her? or compare it to shiminawa set
Shimenawa winss tbh
@@salayy Probably not. Her burst isn't the main star, but it still does something, and it'd require more ER if you want to user her burst. Echos is, as I understand it, has her autos comparable, if inferior, but with no drawbacks. Shimenawa's biggest strength is probably its synergy with her signature weapon. Of course, both will probably become irrelevant once the EM set comes out is Summeru.
@@desolatorstorm142 ah okay, i was talking in terms of like just using the rust + e skill and just spamming the attack button
@@salayy Yes. Though depending on the scaling of the next big artifact, that could potentially change.
The reason for the higher difference with Bennett boost is because it adds a flat amount of atk to Ayato which is what the artifact scales off of so there is a bigger scaling diff.
My current team in the overworld consists of Ayato, Yunjin, Kazuha and Diona. I gave Ayato a gladiator set and has R1 Haran equiped. He can hit more or less around 30K in the overworld if I'm actually able to finish setting up all my supports before the enemies die (Kazuha, I'm looking at you). I bet that his hits will hit harder if I used Benny instead of Diona.
i personally like giving ayato 4pc gladiator instead. i just think its a little bit more consistent, thats just my opinion though.
Well, I'm glad Echoes of an Offering's Valley Rite works on Ayato, but the way it's worded really implies that it wouldn't.
I thought elemental skill altered attacks usually counted as elemental skill attacks, not normal attacks.
...might have to experiment with Tartaglia a bit, too.
Thoma C6 - Ayato - Yae - Anemo Flex (preferably Kazuha/Venti/Sucrose/Jean) is perfect for him. Especially if you have Haran on him.
Thoma for Shield/Support + 4pc NB (Full HP with ER sub) + Favonius Spear
Ayato for enabler/Main DPS + 4 pc Glad/HoD + Mistsplitter/Haran
Yae for electro reactor/Sub DPS + 2pc att / 2 pc electro > EM > att + Kagura/Widsith/Lost Prayer
Anemo Flex for CC/Support + 4pc VV
I use Hod because I did that domain a lot for Childe and Ayaka, plus I like it’s a bit more consistent than Echoes. It’s just very very consistent, you know what damage you’re gonna get
Inazuma wings fit him the best in my opinion ❤.
I run my ayato with HOD and he hits 9k without buffs but with Bennett and kazuha he hits approximately 20k every 3rd it goes from approximately 15k-17k-20k
How can you actually tell which attacks are with the valley rite tho? Because his slashes have different scalings, which is why some numbers are lower and some higher + you might not crit every time
the small difference in scaling wont make it go from 11k to 15k though. with less of a buff it might be harder to tell yeah but here it was fairly clear.
You can't, even trying to calculate Echoes set dos is pretty cancer
what about 4 piece gladiator? that's what i use on my ayato and it is really strong!
I must say, idk if this got fix/is really true. but since echoes passive basically works on very fast snd constant activations, the chances can change depending on your framerate. genshin relies on frames for chance in combat, is somewhat common in games to give on time updates based on frames. but basically, if your framerate is bad, you are more likely to not get the passive than someone with a very good and stable framerate. Anyways, there are surely other videos in youtube that explain this better than I do, if you want an explanation that’s more precise or easier to understand
This, and also I noticed that playing on my controller (which I bought pre-owned and it clearly has seen better days) just gives slower attacks on hold attack than when I play on keyboard and hold the mouse button. Very frustrating, absolutely no way to fix other than buying a new controller, absolutely not worth to justify spending on a new controller. So I stay with Gladiator for consistency on my slower hits hahah.
You forget the gladiator set
A small advice is to use kazuha or yunjin instead of ayaka.
My worst nightmare is when Echoes 4 set effect triggers on a non-crit hit attack.
I use 4pc Gladiator on him since HoD is the most painful domain for me (I was constantly getting 20-28 Crit dmg rolls on one art but little to none of Crit rate or er, building Childe on my alt is torture) and Echos’ domain is wasting my time, since that would be farming for one character while doing other domains benefits multiple (some people have Xiao, but I don’t and Yoimiya has better options). Gladiator is also very easy to collect with satisfaying stats (80/220, 1900 atk with Black sword).
I just realized that my ayato isnt broken thank you moga for explaining that
I used gladiator set and he is still OP.
Try Ayato, Shogun, kazuha, and then flex the last spot (zhongli or benny depending on what you’re doing) that’s my current domain speedrun team, usually leaves me with sub 30 or sub 20 runs.
For a vape team, use sunfire jean, it applies pyro fastest and the last slot can be either Zhongli or yun jin depending if shes c6
Personally, I have him on gladiators with 60 crit rate and 250 crit dmg so I'm keeping him on that cause even if the set buffs are worse there's no way i can get those stats on another set
2:29 why did you cut the next part it's satisfying
i started for ayato banner and he is my main and most built character he’s definitely very fun and very strong
Hey maybe you could try this with yoimiya but with echoes and shimenawa, just an idea
fun thing with Ayato and Xiangling is Ayato can vape with her too! His hydro isnt that consistent and I like this little thing
I have a full echo set with 95% crit rate 213% crit DMG and he deals a lot of DMG
if u want to do vape ayato u can do :
ayato burst,
xiangling burst and skill,
benny burst and skill,
kazuha burst and skill, adnt hen have fun with ayato!
just some advice from an ayato main, if you use venti, bennett and ayato together it shreds opponents. first do venti skill then burst to animation cancel, then switch to bennett, burst then skill to get haran stacks and so venti burst swirls pyro, then switch to ayato and either use burst then skill or just immediately go to using the skill.
Me with amenoma and gladiator doing 9/10k each slash with just him no extra buffs
I would have to grind that domain like crazy to try get as good artifacts as the glad ones I already have
I think the main issue with Echoes is that it's very resin inefficient and you need a 4pc set for it to be worth it, as compared to farming Shime/Emblem for the same 2pc set + one of the best sets in the game for many characters. It's perfectly good on Ayato, and in some cases can be better than HoD, but unless you're an Ayato hyper-main, or also own Xiao, it's unlikely to be worth the resin. I do hope Vermillion Hereafter gets more characters who can use its 4pc one day. Plus you can get away with only running 2 HoD (until you find a good 4pc set), so it's much more efficient to farm (and Strayer is, also, a great set if you have freeze comps)
Jade cutter and emblem set seems to be a fun play with 13-20k dmg with no zhong-li and no benette here and there.
Sorry to ask but could you make a DPS Barbara ??
I love your content !
The key thing for me is echos increase is “70 percent of your attack” not 70 percent attack boost and the other are flat increases
Ayato's artifact choices depend on both your weapon, as well as even your ping
If you're using Amenoma, PJC or a Black Sword you generally should go for Heart of Depths - it gets you basically the same dmg as Echoes, the difference will depend on your substats
With Mistsplitter, you should go for either Echoes or Gladiator - again, no real difference
With Haran you should go for Echoes, but the difference is still only 6% so if you already have really good HoD/Glad pieces, those sets are gonna be better
And that's where another factor comes in that's sad for Echoes - your ping
Ideally, the passive should proc on around 50% of your hits, but to achieve that you need veeery low ping (less than 10 ping). At 20-50 ping, it drops to around 40%, then to 30% with 200+ ping. And that lower proc rate can close the gap between Echoes and HoD/GF (that gap was already small) - so, unless you have Haran and a VEEERY good internet connection just don't farm Echoes, it's not gonna be worth it
Glad is on par with these sets as well.
I just realized that Ayato drinks boba in an idle. I regret not pulling for him now...
(how did I not know this-)
Good day when moga uploads
I can't wait for his rerun I need haran so him and his sister can both have they're signature weapon
HOD Ayato, because I got a tonne of good pieces when I was farming for Blizzard set for Ayaka.
You should try Ayato with Shimenawa’s his second passive regens energy fast enough that the -15 doesn’t matter too much and it’s a huge boost to his dmg as well as more consistent
if you want you could do a video where you try and beat your highest damage.
Hey Moga, wondering if you could try echoes of offering on Keqing seeing a few people say it’s a decent set for her
Hi moglets makes my day
I use Ayato, Kazuha, Xiangling and Qiqi, it's surprisingly fun
so i have very low ping. but no echo pieces. atm i have a hod set with not good stats like 50 crit chance and 147 crit damage. i like the idea of getting random big numbers with echoes. do u think the farm would be worth it or just stick to hod or gladiator and work on better stats sense their technically more resin efficient?
I rly want to see ganyu and ayato together in a freeze team. Due to the similarities of their burst I think they could have rlly good synergy.
I don't know how your Ayato is doing less damage than mines even though you have better stats and the Bennett buff. I don't use Bennett since I opt for Electro-charge instead, adding 18k average addition damage to each of his swing, but his normal swings still hit for at least 15k even with no Bennett. It's probably the Anemo set bonus lowering the resistance, that bonus does add around the same damage as a Bennet buff.
I heard that the Echoes set is inconsistent in damage along with being reliant on ping. And every once in awhile my ping randomly goes from the smooth 22/24 to suddenly 400/600+ out of nowhere .-.
So for me Hearth of Dept will be better for consistent damage, along with Blizzard Strayer for my freeze comp (that is if the game decided to give me Diona or Rosaria, I am lacking Cryo so bad)