War Thunder's PT-76 Problem
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ม.ค. 2022
- The PT-76-57 is, without a doubt, one of the most broken vehicles ever added to War Thunder. In typical Gaijin fashion, it was made overpowered so that more people would be attracted to the battlepass. Pretty much everyone that it needs to be nerfed, but there's been some disagreement on how. Some thing that, if the PT-76-57 is put at a higher battle rating, it will actually perform better.
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Oh yes, I remember that Otto Carius clearly said in his book that if it weren't for the PT-76-57, Germany would have won the second world war
Clearly a skill issue if the front angled plate OF A FUCKING HEAVY TANK doesnt protect you at 600 meters
„We encountered heavy russian bias and had to retreat to our pre-dug positions to defend against the enemys push“
@@giovanniscarano2027 i mean.. heavies do not work up tier. The IS-2 can be front pierced by most things on its BR bracket. If you charge frontally with a tigor, sorry, your problem
@@warbrain1053 wif is a tigor
@@giovanniscarano2027 First of all you flank in this thing and second he knocks out your barrel easy on the move and kills you from the side .
The PT-76-57 Experience:
1. PT-57 is murdering your Team
2. Manage to kill the PT-57
3.Gets revenge bombed by Su-11
*get revenge nuked by Tu-4
@@werttrichen *with an atomic bomb
This thing is EASILY the most broken ground vehicle that's ever been added to the game. Absolute nightmare fuel. I agree that it's going to be more powerful at a higher BR but at the same time it shouldn't be fighting 6.3's at all. 8.0 is a fair BR for it. I'd still take it first spawn at that BR.
Uhh did you forget about the sav 20 12 48?
I'm glad that you also supports Spookston's points. Kinda hurt to see some still defending this tank to stay at what it is, and keep blaming other players for "skill issues" 🤔
@@SlimyMcTee skill issue XD
@@hipperchonklothe4orth728 A powerful vehicle in the right hands, sure. Not in the same league at all in comparison to the PT-76-57
im lucky i havent faced the thing too much with my german line up but that thing has turned off my grind to get the leo 1 and also the utter clubbing i have at 6.7 Germany anyway i could go down a br but i rather have an idea of the tanks im gonna face but 8.0 doesnt sound too bad of a br for the thing.
Wait laser rangefinder? Twin stabilisers? 2006? No wonder it’s clubbing. Seen a lot of ZSU-57-2s doing surprisingly well also.
ZSU-57-2 Although has 2 guns, doesn't have a stab, laser rangefinder and has a 4 shot clip. So a bit lacking there.
i took it into an 11.0 match for fun a couple of days ago... i ended up one tapping an Strf and a Leo 2A5
@VapourisedTiger i mean, the PT would be easier at one tapping leo 2 than M22 for obvious reasons.
Hell every zsu 57 ive seen in my maus ends up a flame behind my 128mm
@@lamborgatti-4783
I dont think ZSU 57 have the pen to kill Maus from everywhere
BMPs can though.
For some reason, it also got thrown into ww2 sim battles (late scenario with tiger II P as german Top tank and super late with Tiger II H as german top tier)
Sim battles are one of the most overlooked things in the game tbh
@@rickdubbink sadly yes, but i really enjoy not having to deal with downtiers
And yet, there still is not british Warrior on TOP tier sim, although it is still in use, and Russians on top tier sim have BMP2, US have Bradley, sweden CV90....why not the freaking warrior? I am sooo pissed.
@@vladislavchvojka292 The whole Sim is like that. It is total bullshit. Every event have some really OP things every arsehole play over and over. Since they lack skill.. look at the Puma facing PRE-war tanks..
yes, that's really great fun
I feel like the "higher BR equals less armor" argument is a bit odd. Yeah, there's less armor, making it more effective at penetrating tanks, but there would also be faster tanks, better armed and stabilized tanks, and in general, far more vehicles capable of matching its ability to fight in a head-on engagement, as opposed to be instantly disabled by two or three shots before having time to react, like you would in a King Tiger or early Patton.
Yeah, I feel like by applying that logic most IFVs could go down to 6.7 if they didn't have missiles.
@@a.b.3455 That is precisely that logic that had brought the R3 scum to BR 3.3, it is still undertiered at 4.7.
@@clausroquefort9545 I've been playing 4.7 a lot recently and I rarely ever see the thing anymore. So it's definitely not a big issue anymore.
honestly the only real area i've seen this argument actually work is with tanks like the 2S3M and Type 75 SPH; the later war tigers, and other heavies armor can be really iffy with high caliber HE rounds, while playing the same tank at like 9.7+ can work really well
but yeah i agree that argument really doesnt work with other tanks
King tigers are crap because they have to fight these vehicles.. so at least half of the enemy can pen the Tiger II no problem in the front, and also plenty have stab. Most are faster, smaller and have a better gun.
In short, don´t bring a Tiger II.
Wait, it's from 2006!? I was thinking it was like a late Cold War kind of thing, holy shit.
Also this thing is insanely overpowered I agree. The laser range finder alone makes the entire vehicle broken.
And it's not that the vehicle needs to be nerfed performance wise, it just needs to be raised in BR to at LEAST 7.7, preferably 8.0. And while we're at it, Gaijin really needs to raise it to Tier V rather than Tier IV. It's really annoying that you can't use it to grind higher tier Russian vehicles, but we all know the Snail would never make grinding easier for people...
Yeah, it's actually called the PT-76E.
Don't know why Gaijin decided to call it the PT-76-57, but who knows why Gaijin does what they do.
if the Laser Rangefinger alone does make the PT-76-57 overpowered then the IKV 91 should be bring to the chat as well. it's kinda annoying you're like 2km away from him and suddently a IKV 91 HEAT-FS shell falls down on my head and dude is like far fucking away in a montain sniping half of my team while he has a camper advantage... clearly not fair at all. not for a BR that he is actually has that is 7.0
@@BarrosGaming Yep Ikv91 arrived at 7.3 and the moment it was grinded out the smart of us told them it was too low and it should be minimum at 7.7 together with Leo1. Then they switched rank with USH405 and brought 91 down to 6.7. Now we have Sherman VS Leopard and the full stupid circus is complete and can only get worse.
@@Oddball_E8 "The vehicle was accepted by the Russian marines in 2006 and about 40 or 50 vehicles were ordered." One wonders how many were actually delivered, given periodic Russian financial woes.
It's a total glass cannon. Gaijin seems to like those. I'm also pretty sure if they could find blueprints written on the back of a cocktail napkin for putting a 57 mm gun on their mom's van, they'd have it in game within a week.
@@hhale Or that fucking .png in WoT of a tractor with a 76mm gun on the side (Supposedly a test premium, but I wouldn't be surprised if it actually existed seeing the other things the Russians turned into SPGs)
If they moved the RCV to 8.0, they definitely can do the same for this thing.
it's not fast like the RCV tho
@@RubyFox_YT depends on the terrain. Averages out.
sure they can but the RCV is a JP tank and the PT is a russian .......................so...................u know
Bruh they don’t care if the user does good they are bias to them and it’s true the it 1 should be 9.3 shturm should be 9.7 and the. Kristerma should be 10.3
@@RubyFox_YT the pt-76-57 may not be as speedy as the RCV but it has a better cannon.
The problem is both greedy Gaijin AND the mouthwatering playerbase that incentivises gaijin by buying every new release every single patch to get a unfair advantage until it gets ''balanced''
Totally agree with 8.0…it’s like a Begleitpanzer without missiles and proxy rounds.
bagle panzer has thermals, makes a huge difference.
And a stab
@@Matt85ism only gunner thermals
@@avtomat6471 Begleitpanzer doesn't have a stabilizer last I checked
Fuck baglepz, 90% of my deaths in (stock) Mi 4AV were to that thing.
I knew this shit would be OP AF the very moment it appeared as an unfinished model on the DEV server. I really thought it would go to 8.0+, since it's a straight up better Object 906 (which is 7.7) but Gaijin surpassed all expectations.
You still found a lot of people yelling at you that it's completely fair and balanced with drawbacks.
I use it in my 8.7 lineup with the other Russian lights, it can absolutely still swing and the only downside is lack of FLIR for night engagements.
Which isn't saying much if you just don't bring it out in a night map.
Honestly this tank is such a pain at 7.3 for my leoard, but for my first M48 match I managed to bounce every shot and felt like a god
Guys I mean if I don't catch a PT76-57 in the act Im instantly dead as well the ASU-57, Leppard 1 is arguably the best tank at 7.3 with 400mm HEATFS and 300mm APDS, all Im saying is laser rangefinder makes it a pain when you're not paying attention as it will instantly wreck you, and I typed my comment because the M48 was a big change of pace so it was big for me, APCR stock still sucks balls
Do you just complain dude .(this was a comment for poopston not this dude )
Oh no, the poor leopard, always getting bullied. It should be 6.7
OH NO! your german vehicle doesnt seal club every vehicle it faces. it must be unbalanced. should be 5.3 (edit pt 76 57 is broken though, i feel your pain)
Damn all I said was that my crappy armor sucked against the PT76-57 not that the Leopard is a bad tank jesus
Same here. The PT-76-57 is really damn fast and my IS-4M (I like playing heavy tanks) always has a hard time trying to turn faster than it can go around my tank. But once you get some overpressure going the PT goes boom quite nicely. All tanks have their weaknesses and you should always be ready for an enemy who knows how to exploit your tank's weakness.
This thing is very similar the bagel panzer except with no atgm, thermals or proxy rounds, its no wonder its absolutely shredding ww2 and early cold war tanks. Typically its the first round fired that determines how a fight goes and if you have an 8 - 10 second reload then you cant really afford to mess that up, the pt76-57 has a lot more room for error when starting engagements, for example if it takes 1-2 seconds to react to being shot at the pt76-57 can fire 2-4 times in that time span.
adding to that is that the pt76-57 isnt slow so even if it meets a highly armored target it can just barrel and track shoot and flank
Wish the bagel panzer was made better irl and with at least apds
And the bagel doesnt even have a stabilizer and has garbage turret traverse.
Come one why we all complain, we know they did it for the money. It's no secret, and we can't do anything about it. I bet there are already reports. They will do the same with the notorious EBR
@@CrazyDutchguys Irony being that there is a bugreport pending for all the aforementioned features such as a stabilizer, APFSDS, 3x more turret traverse of the current, faster mag reload due to automation, more ammo in general (148 instead of 96), optical and acustical helicopter warning sensor are the things i remember from it. Problem is that some documents for the APFSDS are classified so not easy to come by. The last 6 pages of this thread more or less are all about fixing the Bagel.
They went too far with this tank and it being 7.3 is insulting
Not really when it only has a maximum of a 187 pen
@@anthonycastillo524 so peopel were REEEEEing at the falcon for having 100mm of pen, but then gaijin went lol okey. Put in a tank that has 150 APHE pen, IS FASTER, and ALSO gets a laser rangefinder. If the falcon is at 8.0 for having 100mm of apds pen, then why tf does this thing sit 2 BR points down and has more going for it.
@@anthonycastillo524 did you listened to the video? Pen it's not a problem when you can destroy the enemy gun in one shot because you have a fully stabilized gun and others don't. Then you can shot the tracks and take an accurate shot at a weak spot or kill it from the side.
@@anthonycastillo524 at it's fire rate and stabilizer it's pen is adequate to deal with most opponents, as shown in the video. It's way too strong and stomps
@@StuddMuffinn_YT it doesn't have more going for it when the falcon has a higher firerate and is better at taking down planes, but the PT-76-57 is still absolutely overpowered and should be 8.0 minimum. Also to the guy above, you're an idiot if you think it having < 200mm of pen means it is fair at its br.
I see this thing constantly, every round of 7.3, they just hold W and kill fucking everyone. Every time without fail. That it hasn't been moved up higher in BR is just insulting to me, because I know they will do it the moment the battlepass ends.
So true
Yep. And the next BP will be a new OP, deliberately under-BR’d piece of shit intended to punish everyone who doesn’t have one.
As a T114 player I love seeing these things on the flank, because they're always too busy to notice me and the heat rounds from my gun one hit kill them every time.
They're like a little snack.
true true i like snacking T114s
today i saw a t114 player get owned by a sturmpanzer ii.... i think this represents the average IQ of a t114 player
@@SteveIsHavingMC If you're good with the sig33 or in AB and know what you are doing you can do some amazing shots that catch experienced players out too.
I love lobbing over a building/berm/slope, when someone thinks they're safe and 'in cover'. Being the slowest round is and advantage if you learn to use it.
honestly having uptiered the pt-76-57 to 11.0 it performs very well even there, ive gone games killing leos frontally and eviscerating flanks in seconds. the PT-76-57 is gonna be a very hard vehicle to balance.
let's face it, any kind of fast firing APHE with more than 10cm of pen will perform well even when the platform it is mounted on has no armor. They should bring the R3 to whatever BR this thing ends up at. The stabilized autocannons can go enjoy each other.
@@clausroquefort9545 over 2k hours and never had a problem with the r3🤷🏼♂️
It's hard to balance but putting it at 7.0 range is the farthest thing away from any balance...
@@_Am0N_ because the R3 has been nerfed many times. It no longer has full stab over 20km/h and its pen is quite weak while it has risen in the BR a lot since its launch
@@_Am0N_ wow, then that totally negates the hundreds of thousands of other people who've had issues with them and had to fight them in swarms during events where they're the best vehicles in the match because they had a totally disgusting BR when they were first introduced. But your 2,000 hours is far more valuable than all that.
There really seems to be a consistent issue with most war thunder engagements being CQB
EXACTLY, those OP tanks are often the ones that makes the game play like any FPS, as most WT maps are way too small and not meant for tanks.... Thats why my fav maps are stuff like Kursk or Sands of Sinai, those are real tank maps.
Just imagine what a pain it would be to play on so many maps if the tank barrels had collision physics, that says something uh?
Warthunder is not even a close representation of combined arms warfare.
I will die on this Hill
Honestly the tank shouldn't be at a BR with a stabilizer where no one else gets one, a laser range finder where no one else gets one, and a 0.5 second reload APHE that can frontal pen most stuff.
ZSU-57-2 and WZ305 have same 57 mm gun with 8 round magazine that fires two shots and both have acess to the BR-281shell the PT 76 57 fires they dont have stabilizer or a laser range finder but fire just as fast and have a 2.6 reload when magazine empty and have another 8 shots to dump.
The PT 76 57 should be 8.0 and maybe give it the Soviet equivalent DKY-1 shell fo AA defense (it's the Chinese 57 mm proximity fuse shell the WZ305 has)
I like your definition of "no one" literally 80% of the british line up has stabilizers on that rank.
There are tanks with stabilizers at much lower BRs and same goes for laser rangefinders...
And there's that SPAA that has two of these 57mm guns...
@@a.b.3455 oh yeah my bad the 3 7.0-7.3 British tanks with stabilizers and shoot APDS that does very little damage most times are a very valid counter point.
@@billyjoel9313 I didn't bring it up as a counter point, the PT is a fucking joke that needs to be put up in BR asap.
I just didn't like that you had seem to forgot some of my favourite tanks.
Spook: "it only went into service in 2006"
Me: "im sorry, it fuckin what?"
The PT-76 has been laughed at enough and now it’s been upgraded and now it’s out for BLOOD!
Ok bro ppl need to understand that ANY ivf like the PT being uptiered to face cold war tanks is needed because that is WHERE OTHER IFVs are. The bagel panzer by the current logic would be 7.3 if not for the I-TOW. No modern/cold war IFV with a automatic cannon should be below 8.3
Ah yes, *the Bagel panzer*
Bagel panzer gets below 100mm pen with APHE and about 120mm with AP, it will be tragic at 7.3 if you remove the missiles even if it keeps the thermals...
Nothing like face a squad of 3 PT-76-57 in SB, when the most br tank you have tigeriiP. There is something must be done about this
Definitely needs to be 8.0BR, minimum. It's absolutely ludirous that a 2006 modification is matchmade to fight 1940's-1950's vehicles. It's quite frankly another piece of ammo for the Russian Bias argument.
Wouldn't be bad to rename the video as it's only about the 76-57
How would he get clicks then?
The fact I can’t play any 1940s era tank and not get smacked by a Cold War vehicle has basically put this game entirely on the back burner for me. 9 years for nothing, anything above 4.0 is just fucked.
Gaijin gave the middle finger to the WWII era a while ago
Would you rather support historical or battle ratting based on year of production?
have you tried not being stuck at the tiger I due to being ass at the game and blaming your problems on non issues?
@@SteveIsHavingMC What nonissue? In game the Tiger 1 is nice but against most heat slinging thing it gets its shit kicked in, ever wonder why 6.7 is kind of dead in the matchmaker? It's because of the fact that most 6.7s are high armor big guns and low mobility. They get uptiered to fight 7.3s which have heat which negates the armor and are way faster. Also how do you know he plays Germany and is ass at the game.
@@spleank yeah i play the tiger and because i dont roll my head around the keyboard i do really well. i can tell when someone plays germany and sucks at the game because they complain about shit that arent an issue and voice opinions on things they dont actually ever fight. you simply dont play the game if you think the tiger I struggles at 5.3/7 in any way shape or form. only thing that struggles is german playerbase playing like fucking morons because they heard the tiger i is invincible from history channel documentary.
"Pt 76 has laser rangefiner in 7.0"
Me: *laughs in ikv 91*
i find it funny how anti air have an overheat mechanic but a 57mm can just let them off all day no problem, even though the heat problems gets worse with size of round, not better.
never should have added this '06 ghost tank to the game tbh, they removed the mouse and added THIS
It's the same with .50cals , they never overheat and jam . If you play low tier , every Sherman .50cals you in a plane 5 minutes long .
Wasnt the Maus added recently?
@@kugo6085 They bring it back for events then remove it from the standard research pool.
@@kugo6085 the Maus is ingame from like 2015
@@5co756 That's because Americans don't get any functional SPAA besides their shermans. Gotta give em something
I love them. Russian are now full bmp and pt76-57 and with the japanese type 87 it's really fun. You're like a ground A-10
Cancer to play against
Literally cancer
The PT-76-57 is everything the PT-76b wishes it was
And also everything german mains say it is.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 Germany mains crying that the PT-76B is overpowered while playing a Tiger 1 at 5.3
As a German main I only hate the M41A1 American being at 6.3
@@coolbeams6885 Bruh I never saw ANYONE complain about the PT-76B. If anything, I rarely even see PT-76Bs in-game (I used to play 5.3 Germany)
@@tranminhnguyen6217 People complain it's OP because it has a stabiliser and HEAT at 5.3. Neither of those matter, considering it can be killed easily by .50 cals from all over the vehicle, it starts with APCR (worst AP shell), has 3 crew that are closely packed together and the ammo is so vulnerable. It's probably the worst light tank at BR 5.0-6.0.
From my experience from playing begleitpanzer which has worse penetration and no stabilization on 57mm auto cannon(where most of my kills are from cannon) i think that pt-76-57 should be on 8.0-8.3 or higher. it is basicaly stabilized and more mobile zsu-57-2
Honestly they should just add a burst mechanic for some guns. Realistically, after a few consecutive shots, the chamber would be so hot that you’d run the risk of cook-offs.
For context Im a british main at 7.3. Even though i just got the PT-76, and using it to grind as much of that sweet, sweet sl as possible while its still cheap to use (yay repair costs), Ive played against it all through its introduction and can say with certainty... it is BROKEN below 8.0
First PT-76-57 I saw got the nuke, but was shortly after shot down by friendly fire 😂
This tank is literally the perfect tank for Warthunder.
It's mobile
Got great gun handling
And it doesn't matter if you miss.
Wh anyone would play a tiger 2 over this is something I don't understand.
There’s no reason to play a Tiger 2 regardless. Everything they face at that BR has either APDS or HEAT that negates their armor while running circles around them. They are SO EASY to kill.
@@kirishima638 Yeah the black prince gets it bad enough at BR6 but the Tiger 2 6.3 is just sad.
Gaijin needs to change the BR system to interwar, ww2 and top tier usual cancer.
I didn't know this was a new vehicle, but I recently got on War Thunder after not playing for a while, first round came across 2 of these camping my spawn, 1-2 shotting everything like it was D-Day, decided I didn't want to play War Thunder for another little while.
It’s basically half a ZSU-57 with a dual axis stabilizer and 2000s sensors. Even on paper this is ridiculously unbalanced.
It just deals so much damage, unlike the PT-76B which gets HEAT (bye bye post-pen) and more than 7s reload (slower than the 75 and 76mm tanks it faces). They are really underestimating the gun, not to mention players who got it are all at least seasoned, instead of just grinding one through arcade assault (the PVE mode).
Would be nice if we had pre ww2, ww2 and post ww2 games or something like that.
No it wouldn't help, that would cause just as many problems. The best answer is decompress the BR's and add an additional tier rank or two more tier ranks. If you had historical based match making, then the Jagdtiger and shit like that and the Maus would be totally fucking broken in the game. Historical matchmaking just wouldn't work unless you enjoy playing the tanks that are totally broken as a result of historical match making.
@@adamg7984 i still believe you could "balance" by giving it real life problem, transmission failure if you climb a sloped terrain with the KT or fuel/ammo/number of vehicle at any time ECT...
Would be fun to see this as a niche game mode but yes decompress br is the best solution
@@briannormant3622 You could definitely balance it, I should have made that clear. They definitely could make it work, I just felt it's a worse solution is all. But I wouldn't mind it as a separate game mode that they did balance separately but we know it won't ever happen.
There's just also some serious issues if you have T-34/85's and maybe one or two ISU-152's or something facing a Ferdinand with Panther and Tiger support. As would be realistic for the most part, the German tanks out armor and gun them, they could balance it but the T-34/85's and SU/ISU-152's would have to be significantly cheaper to spawn and more numerous to make it realistic and balanced. But it could be a lot of fun, and they could throw in some ISU-122 and IS-2's those, I think, can kill a Ferdinand at range while still being killable by the Ferdinand fairly easily at range.
But again, it is possible. Now getting into American vs. German, it gets more dicey. The American's don't really have anything that can kill a Ferdinand, Jagdpanther or Jagdtiger at range, they'd be required to flank or overwhelm. And that would seriously mean the Shermans and Pershings would need to be significantly cheaper while the Panther and Tiger couldn't be much more expensive because they're roughly on par with a Pershing. It's a serious head ache just thinking about it.
You could add in failures and mechanical issues but would most players ever be okay with that? I know some would, and I would like a game mode with it, but I know most wouldn't like that.
@@adamg7984 I fully agree but I forget to say that the priority for this game is br decompression, we could spend days arguing different nerfs/bufs to make a new historical gamemode but I'm happy to know that I'm not the only person to think that way, it would be great if a better company that gaijin buy war thunder since every month they dug further and further to find the perfect limit between fun and almost fun.
This. Interwar tanks
Top teir WW2 is like 6-6.3 or so. They shouldn't be fighting HEAT that negates the armour from light tanks. It's like giving a puma TOW at BR4...
Rest is shitfest PTW top tier as usual. I shouldn't be fighting tigers in an EBR it's not fair.
There is a japanese tank called the Type 75 SPH, It has a 155 autoloader and was made in 1975 and is still in service today, It only gets downteired and it can destroy anything as it goes against ww2 era tanks. yes it has bad armor, but that doesn't matter if your already dead. getting shot from the other side of the map. Gaijin's balancing system is ass
The SPH is fine where it's at. It's quite slow and has poor ballistics and gun handling. And like you said, paper armor.
Have you used it yet?
@@spliffy98 I used it a couple of times, but most of the time I'm on the receiving end on of the barrel
Lol the 1.0 German tank destroyer has basically the same ammo, just learn to play
Pt7657 is absolutely overpowered, but I do really like the vehicle as it is.
It just should not have been added. It's pure cancer and it's the definition of pay to win vehicle.
@@michaelbeale559 It's not pay to win. You still need game knowledge to use it. It's a light tank with not much pen after all. You can't just buy it and perform great without skill.
@@katyusha1283 it is the definition of pay to win, its over powered and locked behind a pay wall and thus pay to win
@@katyusha1283 Not really - seems like you did not watch the video at all. The only thing you need to know is to shoot your enemy and if you dont pen just shoot their gun and then finish them off. It takes minimal amount of game knowledge to know that, and the reload speed it has takes away any skill connected with knowing where to shoot. If something is OP, allows you to win games easily and has to be paid for that means it is pay2win.
No one's mentioning that it dies so easily from .50 cal
u know its bad when spookston doesn't even put bangers over his kill montage
I absolutely love to play PT-76-57 but I also hate the way it's overpowered...
I hate facing them, but I even hate having them on my team. It's just not fun, you just have 3 dudes rushing down one side of the map and everything infront of them dies before they even stand a chance
It should have had the overheating mechanic when added to make it somewhat more balanced.
With it's current BR the best counter I've found, that is fun, is spamming the maus. Yes it's slow and a bit cumbersome but there is little to no way it can kill you, and both the 128 (assuming you hit the turret front to fuse the round) and 75 easily one shot it.
This
Maus be like: finally a balanced opponent. Our battle shall be legendary
Nah the maus can't kil it too unless it's unaware of the Maus' presence. The russian boi will simply shoot both its barrels and tracks out and spot it, wait for someone to kill the maus for it.
@@tranminhnguyen6217 So many PT players don’t even acknowledge the 75mm barrels existence. Idk if they’re just bad or what
Lol
Been saying this thing was from 2006/2010 for ages, it was designed and put into services to combat other IFV’s and lighter armoured vehicles.
So basically it is the new R3-T20 all over again
I never laughed so hard. Hearing someone suggest to gaijin to nerf a russian tank.
i think 8.7 for it would be perfect because you can line it up with a 279 and bmp2m and at that br you will only see lights like leos or all the premium 9.0/.3/.7 tanks
To my bad luck, i bought the strv-103-0 and started grinding sweden right before the pt was added. Needless to say, it absolutely destroyed the matches. I did manage to kill it a decent number of times, but mostly from long ranges or caught them off-guard.
Playing Maus rigth now against them is a blessing, im in love at how Pt-76s can't pen me anywhere and still are so aggressive.
i saw this thing many times in my tiger p it just gives me a headache it can be killed but mostly the pt has the upperhand and destroys me
love seeing people screeching at the pt-76-57, when everything i have ever fought in this game were unbalanced gokarts with laser beams
wich Gokart with Laser beams?
If I'm honest, I think the PT-76-57 is part of a larger problem. Gaijin is (understandably to an extent) trying to ram in as many modern tanks as possible. It leads to stuff like this, WMA301, PTL02, SK105, and so on being at much lower BRs. Their problem is simple. They get laser rangefinders, thermals, and darts, (as well as Tandem ATGMs in the case of the WMA301) at a much lower BR. They then face tanks like the T95E1, Chieftain, T-55A (not the AM1) who do not have these advantages. They do have powerful guns, but do not have the side equipment to help them reach full potential. Whilst it's never been a game breaking problem for me, it is quite frustrating to get lased and shot by a Dart from someone you had no idea was there from over 3000m. I just think dealing with this problem (decompression?) by moving them up slightly would somewhat help the problem.
The part leading up to the nuke drop was funny as hell for some reason
IMO swap the M41D and the PT 76 57's BRs cause the M41D is basically on par with the BMP1 (argueably slightly worse since the BMP has an ATGM).
Yeah M41D got terrible spalling as every low caliber dart rounds were nerfed a while back.
I think both will stay where they are because the game is balanced by monkeys.
also god bless you for playing this game and addressing its flaws. The developers brains fell out of their heads a few years ago and it's up to the fanbase to do the thinking.
Developers aren't stupid; they're just greedy as fuck.
Gaijin gives thick armor about twice the credit it deserves in BR and quickness in all forms (mobility, aiming, reload) only about 1/4 the weight it deserves.
This never went into service, It was a platform test for the for the AU-220 turret, The gun is a modified S-60 57mm gun from the 1950's, The PT-76 is also from the from the 1950's, The AU-220M BAJKAL is a modernized turret with a new 57mm gun 2a91. This has been put onto the 2bl38 derivatsija PVO, BMP-3 Dervatsija, BRM-3K Rys, Enigma AMFV, MBombe , T-15 Armata and the Vihr/Udar UGV. ''In 1967 KB-3 of the Gorkiy Machinebuilding Factory began working on a single 57 mm autocannon system for ships. This system was indexed A-220. By 1978 the system passed state trials. Despite successful results, it was not accepted into service, primarily due to the low effectiveness of 57 mm ammunition. Almost 25 years later TsNII Burevestnik (reorganized from the KB-3 in 1970) decided to modernize the system and offer it to the Ministry of Defense as well as foreign buyers.'' Only a single PT-76-57(BM-57) exist.
Almost the same case with the zsu 57 2. Except that the pt is faster, higher rof, laser, stabilizer for only 0.3 higher. Gayjin did it again. It almost worth spending money to get this tank. The most broken one up to date
I got a free black shark (black friday pack for free) so I'm considering it. But I think it's too low BR to pair with the Kancer 50
Perhaps the PT-76-57 is another case like the Maus that you just can't effectively balance.
Then the ZSU-57-2 would have been removed soon after it was added. It was before hull break and was able to pen every non russian MBT frontally at 800 meters. Which was a lot for the maps at the time.
Nah
I have it in my 9.3 line up and it makes for a good back up scouting/flanking vehicle
Yeah, PT-76-57 has laser rangefinder, 2 plane stabilizer and autoloader with 20 ammunition at 7.3, but it only has 151 mm pen. at 10 meter, 20 gram of TNT in it's shells and nearly no armor (you can kill it with a 12.7 mm M2 Browning).
Marder A1 also has a laser rangefinder, better rate of fire (however it's only has a 20 mm autocannon) and 4x MILAN ATGM's with 530 mm penetration at the same battle rating.
Furthermore Begleitpanzer 57 has more TNT in it's shells (127.5 gram), has proximity fuse shells, faster fire rate (200 rpm instead PT-76-57's 120 rpm), laser rangefinder, autoloader with 48 ammunition, Thermal imager and 6x I-TOW missiles with 630 mm penetration at 8.3, so PT-76-57 can't be 8.3 nor 8.0.
@Hyperborean Feelz Bro who cares that Begleit has 25 mm less pen, when it has missiles with 630 mm pen at any range? And I-TOWs are very good also. I has good accuracy below 1000 meter, and if the enemy is further, you can use the missiles.
I didn’t compare it to Marder because they’re similar, but because they’re in the same br. If the marder with a laser rangefinder, MILAN missiles and a 20 mm autocannon 7.3, the PT-76-57 with a laser rangefinder and a 57 mm autocannon should already be 7.3.
But the wehraboos will always cry anyway if the Soviets get a better light tanker, which is only good against light tanks anyway. Of course, it's not a problem when the Germans got the 7.3 DF105 with a 400mm pen. HEAT ammo, which will make all heavy tanks useless (e.g. M103, T32, T95, IS-4M, T-10A, AMX-50 FOCH, MAUS, E-100)
@Hyperborean Feelz Begleit has 60 mm pen less? It has 126 mm from 10 meter at 0 degrees, while the PT-76-57 has 151 mm (and yeah, this is WAY more than 150 mm....). And how many tank has ERA at 8.3 or before in the tech tree? 1-2? Even if you count the 9.3's tank and premium tanks, it is less than ten. Let's count it together: the british has the AVRE and Sho't Kal (both premium), the Americans has the M60A3 TTs (it's 9.3, so you don't meet with it very often), and the chinese have the T-69 II G (premium) and the ZTZ59D1 (that's the only one which is below 9.0) and CM11. T-72A (9.3) and T-64A (9.0) have composite armor, but it has 440 mm equivalent armor against chemical shells, so even MILAN missiles can pen it from any range.
If someone plays Marder normally, then more armored tanks can be killed with it. Up close, you can shoot down the cannon and tracks of an enemy tank with the 20mm autocannon. After it, go behind the tank and you can ignite his engine to burn out.
There are only few tanks, which rear armor can't pen with a 20 mm (even modern MBT's rear armor can be penetrated by it). From a longer range, use your missiles! And pro tip: if your enemy has ERA armor, you can easily shoot down it with your auto cannon.
The df105 is just another + tank, which can easily destroys heavy tanks without having to think about where to shoot to penetrate (although some of them are much worse). Anyway I don’t think Gaijin will really raise the battle rating to high (maximum 7.7), because at 8.0 it still would be quite good (at that battle rating, there are a quite a lot of light tank, like Bradley's, BMP's and TAM's), but not as good as other lights.
My personal opinion is that there is an another reason, why they put that thing in the game(besides of the money they can get, of course). At 7.0, 7.3 there are a dozens of light tank, which have 400 mm HEAT-FS or missiles, which make late WW2, and late 40's and 50's tanks hard to play (not unplayable, but that's way more rare to see a long [like lasts for 5 minutes or more] fight between heavies in contrast to 2015) with it. So they needed to put a tank in the game (regardless of nation), which doesn't have 400 mm HEAT-FS nor missiles, and only good against light and less armored mediums, but you actually need to plan and think on your tactics and where to shoot if you want to fight with heavies and more armored mediums.
Of course, my theory may be flawed, it will only be revealed later. I base this on believing that deep down the Gaijin is so sensible (and wants to be) to see if there won't be some br decompression (and if it hasn’t been so far, it probably won’t be), solves this problem in some way (although bt-76-57 may be too strong or good for this task, I wouldn't say specifically strong overall)
I think problems like this are inevitable. Translating real world vehicles that are designed to do their job as best they can into a video game where things have to be fair is tough.
They are, but this just looks like Gaijin is not even trying to balance that thing....
it's inevitable for Gaijin, everyone else can see that placing a modern vehicle against WWII stuff is not particularly balanced
@@olegue3554 can't really do much, when you just blindly trust player stats
@@olegue3554 true
@@olegue3554 Gaijin's problems are another issue. But I agree.
Ahh yes Overheating
It is already in the game,but that means not just the PT-76E will get it,but also every Rapid firing Gun in WT.
Cries in PG-02 minigun specifically built to never overheat
Jk that thing is OP even with overheating
@@Kingpin6100 fuck the pg02 lol. that thing is the sea version of this if played well.
@@Kingpin6100 Might aswell add metal degradation where the armour has a hole from the previous round to be easily penetrative.
A deflection of a round should cost you the armour quality,and a Tiger 2 would not survive frontal shots that often if 2 IS-2 hit the same area.
@@neromastic4512 That mechanic is unnecessary though because most players would just aim for easier to hit weak points that can effectively take out the enemy tank. Even if the shots go for degraded armor, the odds of actually hitting that spot are too low and risky to be a reliable pen. Also, worse performance on the already suffering servers.
@@tranminhnguyen6217 Well you all want a realistic game? And nit a WoT then eventually it will be added.
Another idea is the vibration effect of armor.
A massive round bouncing or hitting a armour whit great force would hurt the crew of the hitting tank.
Not to forget how OP the Hard APS would break it.
I’ve basically given up on progressing past 7.0 due to this tanks involvement
IMO light vehicles like these should have no problem going far higher than say 8.0.
Their main job is recon, with secondary roles in AA and flanking the enemy.
PT-76-57 can do recon and support roles, can act as a direct fire AA, and devastating gun that can slap anything with reasonable angles from the sides, rear, and even some vehicles frontally. Especially other IFV's which in combat with one another the PT-76-57 can win in every situation that isn't the niche situation of being stricken by a top attack ATGM from behind cover which only 2 IFV's can do currently and 1 ATGM carrier.
Though this is because IMO War Thunder should strive not to be a deathbrawl game. I like role warfare and IMO some light tanks/ IFV's should not be stronger than Tank Destroyers, Self Propelled Artillery, or Medium/ Heavy Tanks in tank combat especially if their design isn't intended for that. There are exceptions to the rule but I do not see the PT-76-57 being the main tank killer of the Russian Military in its service.
It reminds me of the ZSU-57-2 at 7.0. But it doesn't have a stabilizer in comparison to the PT. Still I love the ZSU-57-2, the "anti-everything" heh
If the Baquelpanzer is 8.3, then the PT76-57 should be similar. Better ammo and a stabilizer are enough to compensate for the rockets and AA shells of the Baquel.
and it will compensate for the much faster, thermal equipped go karts at 8.7 and above? Fuck off.
@@jacky9590 Every tank gets up and down tier dude , 7.3 to 9.3 if it is 8.3 . Stop crying man , a Tiger 2 p can face stabilized APDS Brits as well .
2:20 Two shots 1 kill? Amazing!
I haven't played since October. Thank god
This thing fills me with so much rage. Lined up together with those Soviet OP tanks it makes it simply not fun for me. I quit my main nation (Sweden at 7.3) and started playing USSR. If you can't beat them, join them.
This tank alone has convinced me even more than ever that the BR system needs to be completely reworked towards era-appropriate engagements, on top of the complete removal of op vehicles from everyone's garage. They won't, but then their game dying because of poor decisions is not my problem.
Can I have at least average list of OP vehicles just to make sure?
Era appropriate? You mean like Abrams fighting 1951 model t54? Maybe centurion fighting panzer 4? How about M60 Patton against t34 85? You know being these vehicles faced each other in actual battles
@@markacostajr.1584 Even though you thoughts going in right direction, you're exaggerating a little
@@IonPerseus most of the west greatest battles where against largely outdated equipment and people take those as gospel is the point I was making. Elsewhere in the world where other wars where fought with more dated equipment of equal ( era specific ) standard the data swings the other way.
By your logic t64b should fight M60 Patton's and the t54 should fight Sherman's. T 62 should fight first model leopard and m1 should fight t90a. Let's get historical with it while we're at it on firepower and armor considering the 88 and 105 cannons all over perform by a wide margin. Would you be ok with this line up instead?
Not sure its a great idea, this is gonna make German Tanks a lot more powerful than used to be. Also, the balancing would be far harder than B.R system right now
That nuke flex tho
I sure hope it gets up BR-ed to 8.0, and i do hope people would also use it as scout more often instead of run-and-gunning people
Mashed potatoes
Yes
Pashed motatoes
The regular pt76 is near to useless
I think they should implement a system where certain vehicles cannot go down in tier. Tiger II’s, this PT, and some jets like the MiG-21’s being able to be down tiered and face F-86’s.
Can confirm,
This thing is rough at 6.3 against WW2 heavies...
But in a 7.3/8.3
its a murder macahine indeed
This is the most passified gaming community i've ever seen man, has Gaijin ever made a single change because of player backlash? Theres so much wrong with the game but i feel like we just accept it cuz most people are addicted.
There are quite a few instances of Gaijin announcing a change and then the players outcrying until it's reversed or the announcement is removed and forgotten to time, but it does feel like once something is in the game it's there for good
I have one word : "hull break".
People didn't like it. Now it's gone.
There are other cases I think. But this one is the most known case.
Several, actually. French SK-105, Parts and FPE (half success), Tank customization for extra GEs (like a third fire extinguisher for x Golden Eagles), maybe cutting naval trees in two parts (or even bigger ships: Gaijin originally thought people would enjoy having only PT boats), removing the ability to operate a tank with only 1 crew member left...
Such things happens from time to time, but they are rare.
its an 8.3 - 8.7 tank.
I agree that uptier is necessary even if I like the pt7657 now, but I kinda hope that uptier is followed by an increase of the rank of the vehicle too. It was always very odd that the BP started with the T10A, but by it's 5th season we got another Russian premium, before other nations got a end tier BP reward. Along with the lower rank/inability to grind high ranks effectively, and imbalance, this was always a poor outcome.
.50 cals seem to also deal with it really well, not to mention if your a 20 mm with a turret like the marder's then you'll have a good chance again st it
Finally a video that i agree With Spookston, this vehicle becomed a cancer in the game and with no doubts a PROBLEM.
You never agreed that German players are shitty in general until you reach the 7.0 BR range? I always felt that way too and have found that exact experience in the game.
When I look at peoples stats when they play the PT, its most of the time 1/1 k/d with it, sometimes 2/1. Sure there are games with 10 kills but more often is a game with no kill. So sometimes it clubs, sometimes it sucks. Light tanks especially with a autocannon are annoying when spamed but I don't see the problem. The PT is very good against the Leo, and germany players cry a lot so maybe thats the reason why the missive outcry. I already know this situation from the aubl hvg, in a year they bring it back to 7.0 in br because the playerstats suck. This community is so weird.
Gotta love 2006 tanks fighting 1950s and 1960s tanks. AMAZING
"BuT iT hAS No aRMouR" - gaijin ballancing argument
This thing is OP in the hands of experienced players, but considering it's a BP vehicle, i.e., cheap and/or easy to get, hordes of new or bad players are likely keeping it's stats in check.
On one hand, it should probably still go up, but on the other, I'm going to enjoy clubbing with it for as long as it lasts.
Thats why stat based balancing is retarded.
The PT 57 is what wehraboos think playing a Centurion is like.
Centurions are fine now tho. When they were at 6.7 it was a problem.
@Hyperborean Feelz Imagine thinking it's a mental disease to main the worst nation in the game and lament losing one of the only good vehicles it had because wehraboos can't handle their precious KT getting destroyed by a tank with nothing else going for it. The Cent has stab and pen, that's literally it. It has no post-pen spalling, it has no armour, it has average mobility at best. Cry me a river.
@Hyperborean Feelz >"your tank can easily bouce shots when you hide your LFP which is the only viable weakspot on the tank"
If you're failing to pen literally anywhere on an MBT with at most 152mm on an extremely small portion of the turret, you're the one who needs to learn to play. The Cent is point-and-click to kill for anything above 5.0 BR. Also, you act like being faster than a KT is any sort of accomplishment whatsoever. Cope and seethe, wehrb trash.
@Hyperborean Feelz imagine thinking a tank designed and produced barely after WW2 to kill shit like King Tigers should face real MBTs like the Leo.idiot. Boo hoo it can beat out the KTs that's literally what it was designed to do. And even then it's so unarmored that it dies to the slightest hit from that long 88 go check in the protection analysis.
@Hyperborean Feelz You're crying about failing to pen a Cent turret. Try loading something other than HE for once.
i feel like this guy makes a "war thunders ... problem" video out if everything he dies to a few times
They did the same thing with the EBR. Funny how both can be killed with .50 cals also...
I always play against it and to be honest it's pretty easy to kill I don't feel it's that big of a threat
what vehicle are you using?
Playing any german or french tanks you can't even get your gun on it and you're already dead, it can shoot while moving and pen any tanks from the front, yes it's easy to kill but you can't really have time to shoot it if he saw you, the only way to kill them is to do the good old CAS as with any PT76 or BMP
What do you play to say this with a straight face?
@@AnimalMother207 Centurion action x
@@potatosoup19129 He plays the pt76-57 ....
This is like a begleitpanzer at a lower br
i read this as part 76. shows how long ive been on yt
Is that Sub Nautica muisic I hear in the background? :D
I would love historical matchmaking
I hate the 5-Hour a day grind to get these tanks. I've tried to get event vehicles and once got within Arm's Reach but the event ended. I even got screwed over in a crafting event when I settled for a 2 blueprint award and because I didn't assign it to a crew right away I lost it. I had no idea I couldn't assign the crew later. So all of my grinding was for nothing. Not sure if I ever want to dedicate my time to a grind again.
I think there is also the fact that the battle pass takes a good while to complete, and so until the battle pass period is over, we are gonna see constant influx of pt-76 players throughout its whole lifespan because people are constantly unlocking it and giving it a spin.
You could lower the ready rack down to 10-15 shells and make the gun overheat after 5 continuous shots and move it to 8.0