That article is ~4 yrs old do you have a link to the state's permitting process it describes? I read something elsewhere along the lines of "since pollutants aren't being added dredging is ok and no permit required". This topic is unfortunately clear as mud.
PLP did a lot of work to find the way to do it legally. Since there are a few steps that must be done, this information is only given to PLP members. This is to maintain accountability, education on how and ensure those who do go dredge do it legally. I can look for any updated info. But it is still accurate today.
I wear my PLP shirt frequently, love you guys keep up the good work. I originally joined PLP back in the days of Jerry, I hope that was his name, Im not good at remembering that stuff. Happy New Year to everyone at MO.
I've heard of two individuals up here in NorCal who were cited and had their equipment confiscated recently. The warden wouldn't listen to anything they had to say about reclamation dredging. He just gave them their citation and said they can talk to the judge about it.
Bet this is a regular thing too, which PLP does not mention. It's great to get a foothold back, but be ready to fight to keep it which includes getting cited now and again. Hope everyone is keeping in contact with each other to trade notes on how to get tickets evaporated.
As far as I've heard, one other miner was cited in the last year but he did not follow through as needed and just took the hit. That's a problem. Anyone using PLPs program needs to be prepared to follow through if they do get cited. We need test cases on the issue to get anywhere, so I hope the two guys you speak of follow through.@@jeffhays1968
The tether on the rear of the sluice, is that to steady it or mark out an area you've dredged? Thanks...looking good and another skill in the MO armoury!
I'm confused about something: I remember, when the dredging ban went into effect in CA. It caused a lot of anger among prospectors who primarily dredged. I also recall the controversy about dredges disturbing fish during spawning vs fish unexpectedly causing a feeding frenzy whenever dredges disturbed the ground. I think the hose diameter also played a role. Now, the activity in this video is "reclamation". - Does this require a special permit, and if so, what proof do you have to provide to "authorities" that you're actually doing reclamation vs. harvesting gold? - Is this your own creek or were you asked to help clean it up by officials? I'm trying to understand, if claiming to do reclamation would now give every former dredger a reason to go dredging again by simply claiming to do reclamation. There are beach and river cleanups happening all the time without anyone dredging. I'm genuinely curious, how this works. I was never a dredger, but a sluicer and panner. But many of my fellow prospectors were avid dredgers. Thanks so much.
No permit is required. The state code banning dredging has exemptions for partnerships, corporations and LLC’s. That law does not apply to those entities. These guys likely have a notarized partnership agreement reclamation dredging.
I have seen many people highbank and yea the water goes back into the creek and no problems. In Canada I heard you have to make a settling pond and keep it out of the creek but in California I don't believe they have that rule. Always check with the stuarts of the land (F&G, camp hosts, for example) they can tell you the good spots.
If you are doi g reclamation dredging, do you have to prove youre taking out more than gold? Seems like you should have to at least log the results....
Is it legal to dredge in CA? I know you had some authority to be able to dredge. I recall when the court action was going on to try to open it back up. I donated a small amount but understood we lost that fight. Has something happened to the ban?
You can look into how to become a Reclamation Suction Dredger in California. There are many steps you must undertake down to the letter to not get cited. Info on how here. www.publiclandsforthepeople.org/dredging-resumes-in-california-now/
Has to be time of year when fish arent spawning, and if you see fish you are supposed to stop working and relocate to different section of creek. But a lot of waterways have it banned outright which is stupid. I know Washingtons rules for sure and they are usually right in line with California on most crap Every waterway will have its own rules and regs damn near. And if its not listed then you can apply for water permit to dredge. Most people assume its all out banned. But if its not specific about it then i think its either a 4 or 5 inch dredge single hose limit. Some rivers will say only a four inch from december to may, and others will be ok with a five inch from sept to april. Washington puts out a pamphlet on fish and water way regulations that has all the rivers their diffferent rules are etc. Its absolutely crazy what politicians do to our freedoms. It should be common sense that regulates this. And if someone is being ridiculous then the forest ranger should do his job and make him be not ridiculous. But one four inch dredge will not hurt a waterway so long as fish are t spawning
Should be on case by case basis. Not all rivers are equally supplied with trout and other species. Im an avid fisherman and Miner and I wouldnt dredge certian parts of a river. Ca is to struck up and the politcs are one sided,
Would you do reclamation if you had to leave all the native materials behind? Like the gold you "find" in the process? Of course not. Hiding behind the language while avoiding the actual intent. Lost a sub with this garbage. Thought you were better than this 😢
It simply amazes me. How people can be so judgmental without even studying or know what they're talking about. You're absolutely right about Mercury stuck to gold or gold stuck to Mercury. I have recovered gold that you cannot see any Mercury on it. Wound up putting it in the jar the next thing I know I had Mercury all over all the gold. A little bit of that stuff covers a lot of gold. Good job guys on cleaning up the creek and its environment
@shanefrericks5929 You are hiding behind the language. That's fine: it's legal. The few dredgers that actually care about the rivers don't make up for the many that don't give af. Just because YOUR intent is good doesn't mean most folks intent is. The creator of this channel doesn't give af about anything in nature but making money so he can live the way he wants. I used to run a dredge on the N. Yuba, on Goodyear's Creek, and wherever else I could back in the day. I know exactly what I'm talking about. The folks who shared the tradition with me didn't care about the bodies of water. Not even a bit. Let me know how much Mercury you recover in a lifetime of dredge operations. You might understand the fine points, but most peeps who pop on YT for some infotainment don't. Garbage take. Garbage video. Get out your feelings.
For more information:
www.publiclandsforthepeople.org/dredging-resumes-in-california-now/
That article is ~4 yrs old do you have a link to the state's permitting process it describes?
I read something elsewhere along the lines of "since pollutants aren't being added dredging is ok and no permit required".
This topic is unfortunately clear as mud.
PLP did a lot of work to find the way to do it legally. Since there are a few steps that must be done, this information is only given to PLP members. This is to maintain accountability, education on how and ensure those who do go dredge do it legally. I can look for any updated info. But it is still accurate today.
When we were doing our suction dredging on the river we removed enough lead to make three 15 lb.weights for another weight be
Right on picking up the trash. Always make it cleaner if you can. You guys are alright
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Music to my ears
Looks like you guys had fun. Picked up trash which is excellent and got some gold. Can't beat a day like that.
What a blast great video I enjoy seeing a dredge get some gold what a beautiful place. Heavy pans 👊🏽👊🏽
Wicked cool setup, nice haul. Bit of cleaning up the woods and water. Good stuff.
I'm Jealous wish I had a claim to dredge on again. Thanks for cleaning up the river.
Great Video They should be thankful that you are improving the area not making it worse !
PLP
Ron is good people.
My partner and I are proud members.
Thank you for supporting PLP!
I wear my PLP shirt frequently, love you guys keep up the good work. I originally joined PLP back in the days of Jerry, I hope that was his name, Im not good at remembering that stuff. Happy New Year to everyone at MO.
Yes, the late Jerry Hobbs.
I've heard of two individuals up here in NorCal who were cited and had their equipment confiscated recently. The warden wouldn't listen to anything they had to say about reclamation dredging. He just gave them their citation and said they can talk to the judge about it.
Bet this is a regular thing too, which PLP does not mention. It's great to get a foothold back, but be ready to fight to keep it which includes getting cited now and again. Hope everyone is keeping in contact with each other to trade notes on how to get tickets evaporated.
As far as I've heard, one other miner was cited in the last year but he did not follow through as needed and just took the hit. That's a problem. Anyone using PLPs program needs to be prepared to follow through if they do get cited. We need test cases on the issue to get anywhere, so I hope the two guys you speak of follow through.@@jeffhays1968
Fish and Game dont F around when you strip the natural bed of trout. and other species
Hell yes!! Clean our waterways. They can’t make removing trash and heavy metals illegal.
Keep those waterway safe & clean.....A great New Year to Harry and you-all at MO...⚒️⛏️⚖️💪👍🤠
I used to tell my daughter if it wasn't bleeding it didn't hurt, same as I was told as a kid well over 50 years ago
I need someone to help do reclamation on my claims in the town of Klamath River on hwy 96 Beaver Creek
I love mining on the Klamath
Beaver Creek is crystal clear but cold @@Siskiyous6
We need to see the picture of the lead and mercury your reclaiming from the river right👍
Lol
Nice reclamation work Y'all....
Did they lift the ban on dredging in California we got shut down many years ago
There is a way
www.publiclandsforthepeople.org/dredging-resumes-in-california-now/
Nice video. I really like dredging videos.
Interesting concept. Bravo ingenuity
The tether on the rear of the sluice, is that to steady it or mark out an area you've dredged? Thanks...looking good and another skill in the MO armoury!
Keep the dredge from moving. The water coming off the back of the sluice creates propulsion.
Nice episode 😃👍
I'm confused about something:
I remember, when the dredging ban went into effect in CA. It caused a lot of anger among prospectors who primarily dredged.
I also recall the controversy about dredges disturbing fish during spawning vs fish unexpectedly causing a feeding frenzy whenever dredges disturbed the ground.
I think the hose diameter also played a role.
Now, the activity in this video is "reclamation".
- Does this require a special permit, and if so, what proof do you have to provide to "authorities" that you're actually doing reclamation vs. harvesting gold?
- Is this your own creek or were you asked to help clean it up by officials?
I'm trying to understand, if claiming to do reclamation would now give every former dredger a reason to go dredging again by simply claiming to do reclamation.
There are beach and river cleanups happening all the time without anyone dredging.
I'm genuinely curious, how this works. I was never a dredger, but a sluicer and panner. But many of my fellow prospectors were avid dredgers.
Thanks so much.
No permit is required. The state code banning dredging has exemptions for partnerships, corporations and LLC’s. That law does not apply to those entities. These guys likely have a notarized partnership agreement reclamation dredging.
Does anyone know if you can highbank if the run off does go into the creek ?
I have seen many people highbank and yea the water goes back into the creek and no problems. In Canada I heard you have to make a settling pond and keep it out of the creek but in California I don't believe they have that rule. Always check with the stuarts of the land (F&G, camp hosts, for example) they can tell you the good spots.
If you can manage it, do a settling pond. Wont hurt, might help.
Nice! 👍
Good video man
If you are doi g reclamation dredging, do you have to prove youre taking out more than gold? Seems like you should have to at least log the results....
Pics and documentation would be good...
Is it legal to dredge in CA? I know you had some authority to be able to dredge. I recall when the court action was going on to try to open it back up. I donated a small amount but understood we lost that fight. Has something happened to the ban?
Have you read this article?
www.publiclandsforthepeople.org/dredging-resumes-in-california-now/
Im so jealous. Id be camping out there for weeks at a time.
You can apply for permit
Any luck detecting?
you in humboldt?
Everybody keeps telling me that dredging is outlawed in California, what's the deal ?
It is for mining. But reclamation is legal.
You can look into how to become a Reclamation Suction Dredger in California. There are many steps you must undertake down to the letter to not get cited. Info on how here.
www.publiclandsforthepeople.org/dredging-resumes-in-california-now/
Has to be time of year when fish arent spawning, and if you see fish you are supposed to stop working and relocate to different section of creek. But a lot of waterways have it banned outright which is stupid. I know Washingtons rules for sure and they are usually right in line with California on most crap Every waterway will have its own rules and regs damn near. And if its not listed then you can apply for water permit to dredge. Most people assume its all out banned. But if its not specific about it then i think its either a 4 or 5 inch dredge single hose limit. Some rivers will say only a four inch from december to may, and others will be ok with a five inch from sept to april. Washington puts out a pamphlet on fish and water way regulations that has all the rivers their diffferent rules are etc. Its absolutely crazy what politicians do to our freedoms. It should be common sense that regulates this. And if someone is being ridiculous then the forest ranger should do his job and make him be not ridiculous. But one four inch dredge will not hurt a waterway so long as fish are t spawning
And therein lies the rub...common sense is no longer common, and with gold in the equation, common sense packed up and went on a world cruise!
Should be on case by case basis. Not all rivers are equally supplied with trout and other species. Im an avid fisherman and Miner and I wouldnt dredge certian parts of a river. Ca is to struck up and the politcs are one sided,
What you guys are doing to the creek is nothing compared to what the old timers did with the hydraulic mining
Your nozzle tip is too large if your are getting jams in the line.
Can't you tell us if you got any gold or not 🤷🤦
Sign me up
It's a real shame when you see the sludge they put in the Klmath River by taking out the dams and take away our dredging rights.
Cuz your rights are more important than the natives. Also, that sludge was just built up sediment, dumdum. It washes away naturally 😂
Dredging is illegal in California.
www.publiclandsforthepeople.org/dredging-resumes-in-california-now/
Not anymore
@@Evergreenprospectors yes it is
Would you do reclamation if you had to leave all the native materials behind? Like the gold you "find" in the process? Of course not.
Hiding behind the language while avoiding the actual intent. Lost a sub with this garbage. Thought you were better than this 😢
Gold can help cost recovery and thus not cost taxpayers any money. The environment wins and so do the taxpayers.
Also a lot of the gold has mercury stuck to it, so removing the gold is also cleaning the waterways.
It simply amazes me. How people can be so judgmental without even studying or know what they're talking about. You're absolutely right about Mercury stuck to gold or gold stuck to Mercury. I have recovered gold that you cannot see any Mercury on it. Wound up putting it in the jar the next thing I know I had Mercury all over all the gold. A little bit of that stuff covers a lot of gold. Good job guys on cleaning up the creek and its environment
@shanefrericks5929 You are hiding behind the language. That's fine: it's legal.
The few dredgers that actually care about the rivers don't make up for the many that don't give af.
Just because YOUR intent is good doesn't mean most folks intent is.
The creator of this channel doesn't give af about anything in nature but making money so he can live the way he wants.
I used to run a dredge on the N. Yuba, on Goodyear's Creek, and wherever else I could back in the day. I know exactly what I'm talking about. The folks who shared the tradition with me didn't care about the bodies of water. Not even a bit.
Let me know how much Mercury you recover in a lifetime of dredge operations.
You might understand the fine points, but most peeps who pop on YT for some infotainment don't.
Garbage take. Garbage video. Get out your feelings.
@@mineoperator How much merc you pull out in a lifetime? Full of shit
did u kno that akshually its ok when i do it?
more boomer lies. i hate them.