Why Hamas Is Handcuffed By A Centuries-Old Divide

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  • @TiesOfZip
    @TiesOfZip 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +152

    I wouldn’t say it’s just the Sunni Shia split that’s causing Arabic countries to ignore Gaza, Palestinians have caused problems for every single country that’s allowed them in for decades, and their neighbors are sick of it and not willing to risk it anymore.

    • @John_II
      @John_II 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, pretty sure Jordan and Kuwait exiled/deported all their Palestinians. Egypt won't let any in. Not saying they don't have their reasons, or that it's morally right, but it just that it seems like no one wants Palestinians... except Canada and now they're burning Canadian flags and shouting death to Canada... maybe Egypt, Kuwait and Jordan had a point.

    • @FrankReynolds-y1y
      @FrankReynolds-y1y 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Keep underestimating the enemy; keep losing

    • @marksheehan8026
      @marksheehan8026 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Very true 👍

    • @thepontiacbandit7329
      @thepontiacbandit7329 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@FrankReynolds-y1y It's just facts. Look up "Black September" in Jordan for 1 example. They've also caused a civil war in Lebanon, and similar story in Egypt and Syria. Look it up, simple known facts.

    • @cesaravegah3787
      @cesaravegah3787 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      My brother, an almost stereotypical leftist and and an inmigrant himself arrived to a German college city where quickly learned to avoid palestinians, most agressive, entitled rude people he ever knew.

  • @JohnWilliams-iw6oq
    @JohnWilliams-iw6oq 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +93

    The condemning of Israel for what Hamas has done leaves me stunned, especially our media who are always claiming the moral high ground when evidence is that if the media are for it then you'd better rethink what you are doing.

    • @larryhall83
      @larryhall83 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I am American-Israeli, live on the Golan. On Oct. 7 2023 I was in California, returning to Israel in Nov. Already I heard loud comments from ostensibly normative, mature people (I was in a condo in the California desert), as the Israeli campaign against Hamas begin. 'I will not put my name to this,' and so on. There were others that were very supportive. But the media is very effective, and has basically joined with 'overseas Hamas/Hizb/Iran' on the campuses and in the streets of the cities. In the US, there were 300 college campuses with Hamas 'student chapters.' People in the West fail to grasp that Iran means to come for them, and would gladly rule over the entire West with proxies similar to Nasrallah and Sinwar. So 'liberals' in the West hate us for helping protect them, which means, basically, that they are suicidal. Western liberals are suicidal..

    • @froglegs6588
      @froglegs6588 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The entire right wing media slavishly supports Israel. Does your cute maxim still apply?

    • @tancdiscovery9432
      @tancdiscovery9432 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      hasbara sludge bot.

    • @wattlebough
      @wattlebough 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      @@froglegs6588I’ve been present at the university campus camps where banners and decals calling for Intifada and FTRTTS were present. The slogans of the Islamic Resistance (H), which is IS adjacent. They have no idea who they’re supporting.

    • @froglegs6588
      @froglegs6588 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@wattlebough right wing media should be controlled by australians not zionists, regardless of how many leftist students hate israel

  • @makevet6531
    @makevet6531 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    Excellent cool headed interview as always.

    • @Jack-w5k4p
      @Jack-w5k4p 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      WHY does the Lebanese Gov. allow a "terrifying organization" to exist within its borders. Same goes for Palestine ??? WHY does Australian Gov. not demand for dismantling of terror groups by legitimate Gov. like Lebanon ????

  • @strummy77
    @strummy77 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    I was on Army summer camp exercise at Voglesang with Tim Cross back in 1970 (I think) when Major General Cross was a simple officer cadet. We were “staff” on that exercise and played the enemy to the main column. Congratulations Tim (sorry, sir) on a stellar career while I became a truck driver come guitar vocalist. Halcyon days indeed and Tim was an absolute gentleman.

  • @LionelMessi-ct7tu
    @LionelMessi-ct7tu 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    Where Islam lives the truth dies!

    • @Minniesara
      @Minniesara วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Applied_Theorynot

    • @ciaronsmith4995
      @ciaronsmith4995 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Iran > Israel. Obvious. Persians are much smarter.

  • @AnthonyBrown12324
    @AnthonyBrown12324 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Nice to hear a sober assessment of Middle Eastern politics and Western ignorance .

    • @pawelpap9
      @pawelpap9 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Both men in the conversation are Westerners (well,Australians, but close enough). Are they also ignorant? And what specifically West is ignorant about? All what was discussed here is widely known.

    • @AnthonyBrown12324
      @AnthonyBrown12324 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pawelpap9 They don't know or perhaps want to know what the Jahidis believe although as you imply the evidence is out there. It's because they don't look at what is in the text of the Koran or the Hadith. What is Sharia law . And how much of it is diametrically opposed to Western values

  • @Llyrin
    @Llyrin 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

    It’s not quite correct that 70%
    Voted for Hamas. Hamas received only a plurality of votes (about 42%). However, the most recent polling before 7 OCT had 70% supporting Hamas. Worse, that number appeared to increase AFTER 7 OCT, indicating those who didn’t support Hamas felt they were not radical enough.

    • @simongross3122
      @simongross3122 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Were women allowed to vote? And there was only one election more than a decade ago, so many people did not vote at all, let alone for Hamas.

    • @jimmyconway8025
      @jimmyconway8025 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Savages
      Islam is poison

    • @ohlszon
      @ohlszon วันที่ผ่านมา

      I would like that info if u have, sounds alot like BS to me, and almost 50% of the ppl living in Gaza never voted for that even, but real question is why Hamas exists in the first place

    • @Llyrin
      @Llyrin วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ohlszon there’s this little-known device called a browser. It lets you ask questions and-voilá!-you get answers. Or at least directions to answers. It’s amazing!

  • @VincitOmniaVeritas7
    @VincitOmniaVeritas7 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +62

    There’s a reason why Egypt didn’t want Gaza back after they got the Sinai peninsula back in the peace agreement…
    Palestinians mean trouble. Ask Jordan. Ask Lebanon.

    • @Jack-w5k4p
      @Jack-w5k4p 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      WHY does the Lebanese Gov. allow a "terrifying organization" to exist within its borders. Same goes for Palestine ??? WHY does Australian Gov. not demand for dismantling of terror groups by legitimate Gov. like Lebanon ????

    • @someone-w9n
      @someone-w9n 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Gaza was never part of the Egyptian identity since antiquity. Egypt only invaded it a couple of times during Ramses and Thutmsoe. Gaza and Palestine is Cannanites, the Egyptians people know what they are doing. And they already said that if they force Palastinains into Sinai, they won't stop them from going to the sea to Europe so Europe will pay the price if that happens. It's a dead end, make peace with Palastinains like Rabin wanted, or suffer this for years to come.

    • @nandans2506
      @nandans2506 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@someone-w9n Well said. For so much pain ans suffering from both sides neither are willing to compromise and take a step or two back. It's crazier from the Palestinian side, they are held at zero accountability for way too long

  • @TarekRamara
    @TarekRamara 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    It’s not a Shia Sunni split. It is split between Arabs that want to be more civilized vs others that want to be backwards

    • @pawelpap9
      @pawelpap9 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If you say so. I assume your opinion is based on extensive travel through Arab world.

    • @TarekRamara
      @TarekRamara 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pawelpap9 Even better. Married to an Arab Muslim

  • @Gusto0172
    @Gusto0172 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Great interview as always. Any insight into Penny Wongs silence today re Sinwar's death? Very odd but unsurprising all things given

  • @Jared_Albert
    @Jared_Albert 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Charles Martel had a point

    • @drmodestoesq
      @drmodestoesq วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And Vlad the Impaler? What do you make of his policies?

  • @bosse641
    @bosse641 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    This problem will be among us until the Lord comes. ....only he can end Islam.

  • @soma4u289
    @soma4u289 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Having enough trouble supporting our own Western leaders understandings of the Arab world ,totally lost on these Sunni - Shia values.

  • @steverogers8600
    @steverogers8600 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    John your summing up comment: indeed I simply fail to understand many people.

  • @everythingandmore5537
    @everythingandmore5537 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Yes, Sunni and Shia Muslims did unite at times against the Crusaders, especially during the Third Crusade. Saladin, a Sunni leader, brought together various Muslim factions, including Shia groups, to resist the Crusaders. While their internal differences remained, the external threat of the Crusades prompted temporary cooperation.

    • @gemmalee3032
      @gemmalee3032 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      in UK, these 2 Muslim groups are united against British Christians (crusaders in the unofficial song "Jerusalem").

    • @careyfreeman5056
      @careyfreeman5056 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Meanwhile a 4-story statue of Genghis Khan - who killed more Muslims than anyone in human history - stands in Mongolia, with not a single terrorist bomber in sight. And yet all they do is whine about the Crusades, which affected maybe 5% of the Muslim world. Self-serving logic much?

    • @Hank-bh2sr
      @Hank-bh2sr 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    • @everythingandmore5537
      @everythingandmore5537 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Hank-bh2sr Thus, the Biden policy of Israel as an unsinkable US aircraft carrier in the Middle East has united the sunni and syiah peoples. Hiever the regimes are a different story.

  • @natkingcol909
    @natkingcol909 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Atheists supporting islamists is something i cant get my head around...

  • @ellev11
    @ellev11 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    No good deed goes unpunished like never seen before. Israeli doctors operate on his brain tumor/save him while in prison.. he gets released in some wonky prisoner exchange and he thanks them with endless torture tunnels and the worst massacre on Israeli land.
    Did Israel learn? i hope so, cause if they haven't then it's on them.

    • @grinningchicken
      @grinningchicken 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I wouldn’t say that. Hamas provided medical care for their captives. Sinwar personally met with some of them and tried to get the elderly and infirm released in exchange for elderly and infirm Palestinians before the fighting started. Some were released without exchange.
      So far only 6-7 captives have been killed by Hamas but 60-70 or so have been by the IDF air artillery and tank fire

    • @ellev11
      @ellev11 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@grinningchicken What an imagination.

  • @MrElliotc02
    @MrElliotc02 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You speak wise words, kemo sabe

  • @nickyverra2175
    @nickyverra2175 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Whilst the analysis is interesting it’s important to note that Hamas is Sunni, so whilst it allied itself increasingly with Iran it is not Shia. The commentator speaking is suggesting Hamas are Shia.

    • @seamusweber8298
      @seamusweber8298 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Correct. If anything Hamas being Sunni look to perhaps Turkey or Saudi Arabia, for leadership. Both countries are Sunni.
      It might well be the case that seeing Turkey/Arabia apathy and disinterest, that Iran has stepped in to support Hamas?

  • @felixosborne6234
    @felixosborne6234 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This would be very clever if Hamas were Shia. Unfortunately for this argument, it’s Sunni.

  • @Magnapict65
    @Magnapict65 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Many dislike the fact that the Jews were living in middle east 1000's of yrs before Islam existed..

  • @mohamedali2858
    @mohamedali2858 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The problem is that you cannot distinguish between the client Arab regimes that were established to protect and serve the settlers to ensure their survival after the collapse of the Islamic caliphate, and the peoples who think day and night about overthrowing these client regimes.

  • @a.r.t.4611
    @a.r.t.4611 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Wish people would understand when talking or commenting! They are 'Arab' people not Arabic. Arabic is the language Arabs speak.

  • @sarahlachman1349
    @sarahlachman1349 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The citizens of the Arab counties beg to differ in their support of Palistine, it is their governments who for political reasons are being caultious.
    Saudis, like Iran would love for nothing more the Israel to disappear, the issue for them, is which etnic group will control the region, Arab or Persian ; which has been a clonflict going on for 1000s of years now.

  • @stevebeimler2579
    @stevebeimler2579 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I agree ☝️ with this analysis - Islamist are not one and the same.

  • @grahammaylam8166
    @grahammaylam8166 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    😂BC Mention was funny

  • @jonfoxtrot5135
    @jonfoxtrot5135 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Maybe they don't want Israel coming after them.

    • @MrChiangching
      @MrChiangching 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Israel can do nothing without US support.

  • @hugolindum7728
    @hugolindum7728 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They are not Arabic countries - they are Arab countries. Arabic is a language.

  • @seancidy6008
    @seancidy6008 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Iranians are not Arabs, and that is the divide..

  • @sisuriffs
    @sisuriffs วันที่ผ่านมา

    Some cultures missed the Enlightenment. “Certainement, qui est en droit de vous rendre absurde est en droit de vous rendre injuste.” - Voltaire

  • @geobla6600
    @geobla6600 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Well , when your the largest killer of fellow Muslims I suspect that may have something to do with it.

  • @Kirk.thompson
    @Kirk.thompson วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hamas won over 70% of seats but less than 50% of the popular vote. This was in 2006.
    If this guy gets something this simple wrong, you can only imagine how much else he gets wrong.

  • @cathyfourie3323
    @cathyfourie3323 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Interestingly, athiests proclaim secularism( a world without religion) with religious fervour and as the solution to all the world's problems. Tom Holland the Historian has strong views here. 😊These shorter clips are fantastic and a great way to raise curiosity about watching the full interview. Thank you. ❤🎗❤

    • @gemmalee3032
      @gemmalee3032 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The "absence" of religion, a reactuib agaubst Chistianity was a blank slate wide open for more charismatic/ highly emotional Islamic beliefs. Thank you, atheism/ agnosicism.

  • @therealtulip
    @therealtulip 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    1:48 THIS

  • @grinningchicken
    @grinningchicken 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Saudi Arabia and the Gulf don’t have elections and the leadership position doesn’t reflect what people think. Shia and Sunni are united on the issues on the ground. Iran Iraq have an elected govt which is why their position reflects the people much more.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Iran is a one party state. You vote for the government approved candidates.

    • @grinningchicken
      @grinningchicken วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@allangibson8494 Iran has a constitution that makes it a theocracy but it has multiple parties and the people are the ones who select the govt.
      the west has an unelected deep state of bankers and ultra wealthy who set general policies vet senators and politicians veto ideas from presidents and go against the constitution. We don’t know who they are and have no way of getting rid of them and we don’t even know their motivations.
      Iran has a wali Faqih and guardian council who sets the general policies vet politicians or over rule the president but we know who they are they explains the motives and can be removed from power if they leads the country in a direction it doesn’t want to go.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@grinningchicken The Iranian “Guardian Council” isn’t elected and has no process for popular feedback. The Guardian Council determines who can be in the a candidate and can veto any legislation it doesn’t like.

    • @grinningchicken
      @grinningchicken วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@allangibson8494 Kinda like how Wallstreet vetos and candidate or bill they don’t like

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@grinningchicken Like the hundreds of millions dropped on Donald Trump’s campaign by just THREE donors?
      However you don’t need approval from anyone just to be a candidate in the west.
      You do in Iran.

  • @eduardgru9334
    @eduardgru9334 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Israel ❤❤❤❤

  • @amirelkayam6649
    @amirelkayam6649 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The Americans Australia Europe said don’t go to Rafa!
    And now where was Yaya? The 🐀 was in Rafa!!!

  • @Outrjs
    @Outrjs วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh, Lord Jesus, forgive us, for we know not what we do.

  • @SuperSlik50
    @SuperSlik50 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Something to ponder. Hamas spelled backwards is Samah .

  • @ExiledGypsy
    @ExiledGypsy 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hamas is not Shia, and therefore lack of support for Palestinians cannot be put down to Shia and Sonni divide. This lack of concern for Palestinians is the leftover of the war that Arabs lost when Israel threatened nuclear strike and Arabs resignation of the unconditional support of Israel by the U.S. This Shia and Sonni enmity had been dead until the Iranian revolution. Westerners exaggerate it with no basis. It is because of the American sanctions on Iran that Arabs have had to go along with and that of course angers the Iranians. There are only minorities like ISIS and Taliban who see it through religious differences.
    Given Israelis military power Arabs just want to stay out of it. They know that Israel will bomb Cairo and Saudis just as easily as Lebanon. So, what is the point of getting dragged in? But you talk to Arabs on the streets then you will see a totally different picture. If anything, Arab states are in fear of their own population to get any closers to Israel.
    As for Russians, except they have never had any overarching interest in the Middle East except for the opportunity to get at the U.S. . Russia is a land power and has more oil and gas than they know what to do with. The only reason Putin got involved in Syria was the lack of serious intervention by Obama. Had Americans got involved earlier on Putin would have never acted as aggressively as they did.
    For the same reason Arab states don't want to provide refuge for Palestinians because they know that they won't stop their military actions against Israel and again they don't want to be dragged it.
    This is why Bin Ladin went to Afghanistan because they would have never allowed him to set up a training camp anywhere else.

    • @pawelpap9
      @pawelpap9 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You may also note that some of Arab regimes were sort of “secular” having more in common with fascist and communist ideologies imported from the West than traditional Muslim religion. Hussein’s Iraq and Syria are obvious examples. That made them leaning towards Soviet support (or Russian) rather than Western. Obviously seeing Arab world through Sunni-Shia conflict is a gross simplification.

    • @ExiledGypsy
      @ExiledGypsy 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pawelpap9 It is a deliberate divide and rule tactic.
      Saddam was backed by the west. The New York mayor at the time proudly admitted it on the streets that Saddam was used to weaken the nastier Iranians. They sold him whatever he asked and didn't report the 5000. Kurds that he killed using chemical weapons. It conveniently came out around the Iraq invasion.
      Why? Because they knew they could always take it all back if not directly then Israeli air force was always more than happy to oblige.
      It is amazing how the terminologies that Israelis used at the beginning of the Gaza genocide seems to have been wiped off.
      I was surprise at how brazon they were. It might have as well been Nazis talking about the Jews, in 1940s Germany.

  • @JesusisLord-n5h
    @JesusisLord-n5h 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    God blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse Israel 🇮🇱❤

  • @ChristopherPatton-r8n
    @ChristopherPatton-r8n 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Quran and not Kabbala.

  • @registeredmental
    @registeredmental 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Gods work is never done

  • @jonfoxtrot5135
    @jonfoxtrot5135 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Impressive? Militarily? What a flippant comment.

  • @elic26
    @elic26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    John, this is such an odd opening statement. How on earth would you know what ‘most Arabic countries” are sympathetic too? Who’s surveyed them? Rupert Murdoch? As a fellow follower of Jesus, I’ve been so disappointed by your commentary on this issue. You do realize that children are being killed and burned alive in the tens of thousands, right? Lebanese villages being raised to the ground? No? Nothing?

  • @glenbolderson2479
    @glenbolderson2479 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Blame Islam for the fact that GAZA is the worlds largest open air concentration camp.

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  • @MarkWinterrowd
    @MarkWinterrowd 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You wish.

  • @Talwyn22
    @Talwyn22 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This guy gets almost all his dates wrong in the interview.
    It's tedious

  • @adreamafear5116
    @adreamafear5116 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is two people who have absolutely no idea about the complexity of this specific argument.

  • @007EnglishAcademy
    @007EnglishAcademy 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh dear, this is pitifully poor analysis. The people of (say) Egypt or Jordan are overwhelmingly supportive of the people of Gaza it is their rulers that are less so and this is because they are in bed with the US and America is pressuring them.

  • @yescats3327
    @yescats3327 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    John Anderson has to stretch comparing Oct 7th attack to nazi gas chambers, while in the same video hes befuddled why hamas is winning the “propaganda war.” maybe the simple black and white morality of the war that John is appealing to might be more complex than he believes. A bit ironic in a video explaining you have to consider and know the nuance of 100’s of years of religious history in the middle east to fully understand current events there.

  • @Yesuah-bendav1d
    @Yesuah-bendav1d 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The hamas that was created by mossad

  • @bigzach7778
    @bigzach7778 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First comment 😁

  • @mohamedali2858
    @mohamedali2858 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    John says “lot of Arabic countries are not very sympathetic it seems to me to Gaza”In this shallow and feeble statement, he refers to the political leaders conspiring against their own people and land.
    What John and Major Tim Cross fail to grasp is that the equation is that Sunnis and Shias, despite their differences, belong to a common belief and share a common geography and neighbourhood, much like what occurred in war-torn Europe during the First and Second World Wars. However, the settlers who are unnaturally implanted by their supporters in Arab lands represent an abnormal and temporary peace that will end with the removal of the causes.

    • @everythingandmore5537
      @everythingandmore5537 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes, Sunni and Shia Muslims did unite at times against the Crusaders, especially during the Third Crusade. Saladin, a Sunni leader, brought together various Muslim factions, including Shia groups, to resist the Crusaders. While their internal differences remained, the external threat of the Crusades prompted temporary cooperation.

  • @uncatila
    @uncatila 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When you brits madsacered the people at Fort McHenry. FrabnciscScot Ley ppl enned the Star Spangled Banber. Soon the Palastinian poet will write a symilar anthem of freedom and of divine human dignity in spite of uour blindness.

    • @Jack-w5k4p
      @Jack-w5k4p 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      WHY does the Lebanese Gov. allow a "terrifying organization" to exist within its borders. Same goes for Palestine ??? WHY does Australian Gov. not demand for dismantling of terror groups by legitimate Gov. like Lebanon ????

  • @dilonkumar4960
    @dilonkumar4960 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    By now I would have thought westerners would be against colonialism

    • @smokenfire
      @smokenfire 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Me too. But here we are having demonstrations all over the west supporting the preservation and expansion of the Arab-Islamic colonial empire.