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"I have long observed the Lands Between. This world is in dire need of repair... and Death...indiscriminate. Are you prepared... To commit a cardinal sin? " - Melina The world is in stagnation and the people are husks of their formal selves. I could ask the Lords and Ladies nicely, but they wouldn't let go of their runes, they are yet another reason why the world is in ruin, if I have to lay waste to every step I go, so be it, Melina and Ranni understood, and they know no cost is too great.
That is actually a good point. The reason I mentioned the two (Lendyl and liurnia) is due to the fact Imo there a lot less bad all things considered at least in the modern age!
Well I see it like this, if there is 20+ soldiers fighting a dragon, and they both stop fighting to fight you, there is definitely something scary about us.
Considering that Marika is the Guidance of Grace, and that she does guide us through Ranni’s quest, I always felt it was our job to clear the board of the losers who had a chance to rule and failed, and by that failure allowed the Lands Between to grow stagnant. So if we complete every quest and kill all that can be killed, Ranni’s world is left with Rennala to lead. Seemingly in accordance to Marika’s plan, but there would be no gods left to rule.
@ Opposite. There are too many gods right now that people are worshipping, following, and going to war over. Political “gods”, social media culture-war “gods”, etc. A thousand years voyage of pure reason, void of “gods”, sounds appealing to me no matter what world I am in.
Fact is theres no opportunity for negotiation or mercy with most of these people in the Lands Between. Chalk it up to game design, but the only demigod who actually considers an alliance with you is Ranni, and she winds up not getting murdered by us specifically because she has the brain cells to attempt negotiation. There would be more survivors if people decided to either A;mind their own business or B; actually attempt negotiation. So while you'll see me feel bad about killing non-hostile jar folks and commoners, the same cannot be said for the ones who attack me on sight. Fuck around and find out, I have the same policy Irl, but in real life people actually negotiate. Those people though who decide their gonna try and kick the shit out of me in an alley on my way home from school for no goddamn reason? Those people deserve to become fucking statistics.
@@theemeraldgecko310 And defending myself is also justified. Tarnished who don't fight back in the lands between get crucified by the tree sentinel right out of the gate. We're as much a bad guy as a starving bear who kills someone irl. You do what you gotta.
It's a story that presents us with a world that as designed to be ruled by a lord, to the point that it can no longer function without one (because a now-absent celestial entity once decided it was the best way to control things). Yet that lordship can't be attained or exercised without committing numerous atrocities, nor has anyone ever managed to do so, so it's a system that rewards ruthlessness. The ideology of right and holiness is a post-hoc justification for the naked exercise of that power by the only one ruthless enough to get away with it. In short, it's the same story FromSoft has been telling us for more than a decade, about how the will to power is inevitably a trap when it plays out within a fundamentally sick system.
By the time the Elden Beast is desperately trying to beat us back, wordlessly (or we just can't even hear its mode of speech), the inner monologue of the Tarnished is, "No need to be so sad, or wail that it's not fair. This is as fair as can be. Don't you see? Marika forged me, every step of the way, with the paving stones of countless bodies, same as you. By now, I am all life that's denied by you, strangled by you. You've taken on a life of your own, Order, so you ought to know the Truth already: Life wants to live. I'm as worthy as any can be, to be here - the waking universe beholding itself - same as you. This is just a battle of wills for who gets to have a say from here on. In my countless deaths, you've heard my voice. Do you have one?"
How are we the villain when the very first person we meet -Varre - has killed our maiden then proceeds to manipulate us? Seems to me the entire world ahead of you is pretty much evil and requires the biggest monster Marika can find to push the reset button. It's not cruel - it's necessary.
You chose the dung eater’s ending first because it’s evil. I chose it because it seemed like the most tedious ending to get and didn’t feel like doing it in a later NG+ cycle for my 100% completionist character. We are not the same.
@@RaidenKaiser I’m gonna have to disagree with you there bud. If I get that on a third or fourth NG cycle, I ought to have the stats to cast it anyway, no?
You aren't really a bad guy you have been called to fix the system that no longer has a ruler due to him sealing himself for unknown reason so everything is in the state of disrepair and people clutching on the things they were doing before the said society broke down and gods that ruled left or are trying to gain and some regain their influence.
Heck Metyr betrayed the greater will to make it's own place, someone betrayed Metyr so they could take over, only to be betrayed by Marika, so she could make her golden order, then she was betrayed, kinda seems like everyone was the villain at one point and time, not surprised we are the main villain of Elden Ring and soon Night Reign May chaos take the world~Shabriri
You could also make the argument that you're just a random dude exploring and these guys just attack you without even bothering to ask what you're doing there.
@theemeraldgecko310 Boss: What are you doing in my house!? Tarnished: Uh... the door was wide open and the place looked deserted. Boss...Okay, that's fair.
I always like different perspectives on the many endings of the Fromsoft games. I gotta disagree with you a bit though regarding the frenzied flame ending. While yes, everything dies, gets burnt up and destroyed so things can go back to the way they should be, that's not necessarily bad, like volcanoes that obliterate large swaths of land, the ashes of what's left always spring forth fresh, new life. Personally I think it's one of the better ones, as it's just cyclical. It's got no preference and only does what it does because that's it's purpose. Still, I enjoyed the video and your idea that we're the bad guy, no doubt a couple endings definitely seem that way.
This video brings up a good series of points about power, law, and the people who wield them. Gecko, you are objectively correct by our current modern society's standards that the MC of ER is a straight up bastard. The thing is, straight up bastards tend to get things done Many, MANY cultural heroes IRL are cut from the same cloth, uncompromising people who view the law of the land as suggestions I'm not saying its good or right or beneficial for our society. What I am saying is that damn near everyone who changed the world broke a fucktonne of laws to do it And some laws are so unjust they should be broken
You can get inside Leyndell before the fingers want you be there by killing Radahn, going to ancestor woods, killing the valiant gargoyles, taking the coffin to the deeproot depths, then beating Fia's Champions to unlock a portal past the Two Finger seal. Although that still means Radahn's is the first great rune you get, it does allow your second Great Rune to be Morgott's, and thus I imagine showing the Two fingers that they didn't have as much control as they thought.
Melania: will slowly rot the whole world. (Mercy, and protection of the world Godrick: kills specific tarnished to make himself more powerful (revenge and justice) Mohg: freaky blood cultist whose men killed your maiden and would rise to fight you as Lord one day (justice and protection of the world. Rahdan: a shell of his former self and a ravenous monster who could destroy the world if left unchecked (mercy and protection) Placidusax: would rise to fight you one day as Lord one day (avoid giant war) You get the point. Whether it be to repair the world or protect it, you can contextualize the merc-ing of every boss besides the regal ancestor spirit.
Not really. If you have guilds on guilds supporting you it's now either organized crime. Or just war. That's how it goes. It's really not a crime if you're helping the people. Or if you win
@@theemeraldgecko310 to the extent that one eats his own kin. Therefore invalidating his own position. To be frank. There are no saints in the eldenring world. Even ms. Mentally handicapped queen is surrounded by botched brainlets, SHE made cause she was upset about her divorce. To label the tarnished as, the bad guy is an oversimplification
@@1slayer959 I’m sorry!! It hasn’t popped up for me, I’ll do some looking into it because I’m definitely confused/ want to know what’s up with it!! Agreed!
I do agree all endings are kinda eerie but mind you I think we should look at the endings as accepted punishments for the actions of the hornsent and or Bayle
At the end of the DLC we team up with a murdering, blood drinking assassin to kill a God that sacrificed himself for love. A love that's claimed is a spell which overwrites, but clearly the fact that there's opposition to it means that even that is most likely a lie. And why are we tarnished? Seeing as how degenerate so many in power are in the Lands Between its probably a good bet there was good cause to strip you of grace.
Are we the villan? No, not if you take the path of least great runes. You are a conquer, an outcast who was selected by god(the greater will) to remove the corruption of power at the throne since marika has defected against god and radagon is failing to repair the situation. Elden beast was simply the greater will manifesting itself for a final test to see if you are worthy.
@theemeraldgecko310 that depends. Are you simply carrying out the will of the games God and doing as little extra damage in the process. Or are you a powerhungry maniac who goes after every single great rune and clears every area.
Okay, so, great video, very well edited, the narrator has a cool voice and is very charismatic, but I disagree with some things said during the video. I'm not trying to say that all of our character's actions are justifiable (because, in an RPG game, Role Playing varies from player to player), but... many of the things mentioned in the video are neutral or objectively good. Okay, starting with our "invasion" of Raya Lucaria. I understand you want to see students as victims, but let's recap some of the Academy's actions: - They betrayed the Carians in their moment of greatest weakness, when Rennala went insane; - They locked Rennala in a tower and basically declared war on the Carians, which you could say, was the only Dynasty in the Lands Between that could be considered good; - They plunged Liurnia into complete chaos, handing over the entire land to the Knights of the Cuckoo to plunder; - Not to mention the way they treated the greatest mages to ever step foot in the academy: Lusat, Azur and Sellen. Furthermore, we did not kill Rennala; we saved her, as she was a prisoner of the academy. So answer me... where's the harm in that? "But what about Leyndell?" Oh, yes... Leyndell. The capital of a slave Empire with a superiority complex? The same Leyndell who ordered the massacre of the Fire Giants, who declared war on Liurnia? The Leyndell responsible for perpetrating systematic persecutions against the Omens, Misbegotten, Those who live in death? This Leyndell who would watch the world rot into stagnation just to maintain her own worldview? This Leyndell? And it's noteworthing, all of this is STILL OCCURRING during Morgott's reign. Morgott is a tragic character and all, but he is a perpetuator of the worst in Leyndell. There is no way to show mercy to a maniac who would rather die than simply admit that his ideology or worldview is indisputably wrong. As for your view of the endings, I completely disagree with each of them, with the exception of the Frenzied Flame ending. - Fia's Ending ends with the persecution of Those Who Live in Death, and if overpopulation is a problem for any Order, someone should have warned Marika, who removed the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring, preventing the death of any individual for centuries and perhaps millennia. - Ranni's Ending is the hardest to defend, but still, all of its actions were taken against the "Empire of Leyndell", which was an evil force in the Lands Between. Sure, many people died (or not, because Marika's shenanigans), but the world was stagnant and on the verge of collapse anyway. Dissent, factionalism, religious strife, all of this was already happening even before the Night of the Black Knives. Besides, a world without the influence of the Outer Gods is a good world to live in. - Goldmask's Ending acknowledges the big problem with treating mere humans as gods, because "human" gods are susceptible to all sorts of human failings. In my opinion, this is possibly the best ending, because as we saw in the DLC... whenever a "god" believes he has the best solution for the world, people suffer. Dung Eater's Ending can also be seen in a positive light, after all, it puts an end to the prejudice against Omens, Misbegotten and all sorts of groups that were marginalized during the Erdtree Era. Furthermore, I believe that, in many ways, our character is the hero of the Lands Between or at the very least, an instrument of justice, bringing punishment and retribution to those responsible for bringing the Lands Between to complete ruin.
Honestly Every ending is grew. But i think thats because the world is grey. Dung eaters ending is the curse of the omen. Gang is just reverting to crucible. Even him whos apparently defiling souls is within the laws of order. When that can be allowed they deserve to be abandoned and or burned. I personally think the golden order ending is something the world itself proved to not deserve even if it was A heaven inder tyranny 😂
I get a feeling the idea of right or wrong isn’t the point of the grander scheme of the story, simply making A choice and going along with the actions and reactions of that choice. Maybe lol just an idea
Gotta be real, dude. Elden Ring isn't any different from the other FromSoft games. All of Darksouls. Demon Souls.The Good Hunter from Bloodborne. You are never a hero in these games. The only one you could be considered a Hero in is maybe Sekiro and that's also debatable. The worlds Fromsoft crafts aren't capable of creating heroes, only new broken pieces to replace the old broken pieces.
@@theemeraldgecko310 trust me bro the way she treats us for the whole story, I bet the reason she did all that was because your character original was to be her consort but Marika feard what you'd become so she got you killed and Ranni rebelled against the order and in the end she calls you her lord and dear consort eternal. That's my head canon, and to me, it is, lol 😆
Yes not controlled by grace but guided. Free will is an important need of the golden order. Another reason why we are meant to kill Morgott cause he wants peace There is no peace when u are the creator of the universe and aspects of yourself including or opposite half wants to take over the lands between
My guy i love your videos however the dungeater ending is not so simple as you say. His goal as he says himself in game was to not necessarily spread suffering but to end it. By cursing the very system of the world itself then the very concept that someone could be cursed and / or suffering in this world doesn't even exist. If everyone one knows a state of suffering then ultimately no one is suffering. They are just living life. Dungeater is definitely bat shit crazy but he had a good heart 😂
Perhaps you're just a pessimist, and if you want a "Good Ending", go play a Disney game, all Souls games have an open to interpretation endings, "Good or Bad" ending is entirely up to you, and saying all the endings are "Bad Endings", well; that is also all you 🤣🤣🤣 You need to enjoy life more
@@theemeraldgecko310 A- Again, that's open to interpretation B- Did you intentionally seek to kill all the NPCs from Roundtable Hold that were friendly to you? (which you can do in the game) Did you Kill Nefheli, Rogier, Fia, Roderika? *Yes or No*
@@theemeraldgecko310 A- Then no, your player character is not evil B- There are no options to not kill Morgott, you cannot dialogue with Margott, and he will kill you C- You aren't evil but, you really are a pessimist
Nah Duskborn is the way, the ones who live in death are gonna get their own realm to go to and as people continue to die they will go to that realm as well.
A lot of people don't realize that if fact...you are the bad guy. Let's say you end the game on your playthrough, but you keep playing that file. You go back to leyndell, and it's no longer bathed in gold...it's bathed in ash, its dark cold. No longer this warm, inviting city. And do you feel bad that you're the cause of it because you wanted to become elden lord? To rule over what? A dead city with dead inhabitants? When you start a NG and you go back to leyndell and see it as it should be, perfect, warm, golden. It's inhabitants doing their job patrolling the city...THEIR city. From evil. The city has order, the golden order, and you walk in and make a mess of everything. If you go back to meeting white mask varre at the church, becoming a red phantom for mohg is almost a way to stop new players from reaching the end goal of destroying a perfect world.
Ghosts seem to cherish the comeback of their first Elden Lord, so it's not really making a mess it was rather a requirement, for the tree to burn. All tarnished were called for a reason.
I absolutely hate game of thrones season 8, the one part I liked was the discussions of ruling over ashes (even if it did get through out the window 2 eps later), I think that discussion fits perfectly here
Ranni ending has to be the most evil one abandoning the people as they are with no hope and her sin underground infecting the world without end against his own will (Godwyn) we should’ve at least got something that can stop Godwyn or save him or something 💔
@@1slayer959 no I would rather she removes them and all the other problems that came from her quest before she just up and leaves the world a complete mess especially with the people of the lands suffering in every direction and Miquilla hatching his plot to take over. Her ending is basically her taking all the power of the only god of the land at the time and removing it from the world leaving all hell to take over including GODWYN spreading deathblight everywhere (because of her and she is proud of that as she mentions). she didnt even bother to think about what leaving the world like this. (not even going to mentio the other things that could just show up out of the blue and take over)
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"I have long observed the Lands Between.
This world is in dire need of repair...
and Death...indiscriminate.
Are you prepared...
To commit a cardinal sin? "
- Melina
The world is in stagnation and the people are husks of their formal selves. I could ask the Lords and Ladies nicely, but they wouldn't let go of their runes, they are yet another reason why the world is in ruin, if I have to lay waste to every step I go, so be it, Melina and Ranni understood, and they know no cost is too great.
You do make a good point!!
Right. One factor that isn't mentioned here. A tyrant does expect their comeuppance to barge through the door some day.
That is actually a good point. The reason I mentioned the two (Lendyl and liurnia) is due to the fact Imo there a lot less bad all things considered at least in the modern age!
This has made me think though, the worser the ending, the worser the eventual uprising will be leading to a terrible civil war!!
I mean. I thought that was obvious in the start when the shriveled noble guys runnaway from us cowering.
I guess when you look at it like that! I reckon it’s gone under the radar due to how much content there is!
Well I see it like this, if there is 20+ soldiers fighting a dragon, and they both stop fighting to fight you, there is definitely something scary about us.
That IS one way of looking at it lol
Considering that Marika is the Guidance of Grace, and that she does guide us through Ranni’s quest, I always felt it was our job to clear the board of the losers who had a chance to rule and failed, and by that failure allowed the Lands Between to grow stagnant.
So if we complete every quest and kill all that can be killed, Ranni’s world is left with Rennala to lead. Seemingly in accordance to Marika’s plan, but there would be no gods left to rule.
This is a really great take I hadn’t considered, awesome stuff!!
Id argue thats where we are as a society IRL.
@ Opposite. There are too many gods right now that people are worshipping, following, and going to war over. Political “gods”, social media culture-war “gods”, etc.
A thousand years voyage of pure reason, void of “gods”, sounds appealing to me no matter what world I am in.
I believe it's a running joke that you play a scumbag in every RPG, always trespassing, stealing, desecrating corpses.
I’ve never heard it but I definitely believe it
Your honor in my defense, they were tired of being alive to begin with, also the dung eater exists
Your honour accepts this
Less a villian more like entropy finally ending an impasse that never should have happened.😅
You have got a point!
There was never any doubt. May chaos take the world.
AHHHHHH MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
You have some good points, but hear me out...
me entering a room doesn't warrant my immediate death 🤣
100%! That’s why I only said certain areas :)
Fact is theres no opportunity for negotiation or mercy with most of these people in the Lands Between. Chalk it up to game design, but the only demigod who actually considers an alliance with you is Ranni, and she winds up not getting murdered by us specifically because she has the brain cells to attempt negotiation. There would be more survivors if people decided to either A;mind their own business or B; actually attempt negotiation. So while you'll see me feel bad about killing non-hostile jar folks and commoners, the same cannot be said for the ones who attack me on sight. Fuck around and find out, I have the same policy Irl, but in real life people actually negotiate. Those people though who decide their gonna try and kick the shit out of me in an alley on my way home from school for no goddamn reason? Those people deserve to become fucking statistics.
100% get where you’re coming from, my point about the video was it’s not always the case, sometimes them attacking you on sight is justified!!
@@theemeraldgecko310 And defending myself is also justified. Tarnished who don't fight back in the lands between get crucified by the tree sentinel right out of the gate. We're as much a bad guy as a starving bear who kills someone irl. You do what you gotta.
It's a story that presents us with a world that as designed to be ruled by a lord, to the point that it can no longer function without one (because a now-absent celestial entity once decided it was the best way to control things). Yet that lordship can't be attained or exercised without committing numerous atrocities, nor has anyone ever managed to do so, so it's a system that rewards ruthlessness. The ideology of right and holiness is a post-hoc justification for the naked exercise of that power by the only one ruthless enough to get away with it. In short, it's the same story FromSoft has been telling us for more than a decade, about how the will to power is inevitably a trap when it plays out within a fundamentally sick system.
You make a lot of good points, I totally see where you are coming from!
By the time the Elden Beast is desperately trying to beat us back, wordlessly (or we just can't even hear its mode of speech), the inner monologue of the Tarnished is, "No need to be so sad, or wail that it's not fair. This is as fair as can be. Don't you see? Marika forged me, every step of the way, with the paving stones of countless bodies, same as you. By now, I am all life that's denied by you, strangled by you. You've taken on a life of your own, Order, so you ought to know the Truth already: Life wants to live. I'm as worthy as any can be, to be here - the waking universe beholding itself - same as you. This is just a battle of wills for who gets to have a say from here on. In my countless deaths, you've heard my voice. Do you have one?"
This is my head cannon from now on…
How are we the villain when the very first person we meet -Varre - has killed our maiden then proceeds to manipulate us? Seems to me the entire world ahead of you is pretty much evil and requires the biggest monster Marika can find to push the reset button. It's not cruel - it's necessary.
1 wrong to you doesn’t make it okay to commit dozens of crimes!!
@theemeraldgecko310 Does Sir Ansbach consider us a villain?
@ nope!
My God's Grace is the only justification I need
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You chose the dung eater’s ending first because it’s evil.
I chose it because it seemed like the most tedious ending to get and didn’t feel like doing it in a later NG+ cycle for my 100% completionist character.
We are not the same.
@@nickperri6571 we are not the same good sir, props to you
Nahhh the age of order is worse because it forces you to use larval tear just to meet stat requirements to cast an incantation to progress a quest.
@@RaidenKaiser I’m gonna have to disagree with you there bud. If I get that on a third or fourth NG cycle, I ought to have the stats to cast it anyway, no?
@nickperri6571 thats the problem we aren't talking ng+
You aren't really a bad guy you have been called to fix the system that no longer has a ruler due to him sealing himself for unknown reason so everything is in the state of disrepair and people clutching on the things they were doing before the said society broke down and gods that ruled left or are trying to gain and some regain their influence.
I get that I really do, but i do think a lot of the things we do even taking that into consideration is heinous!!!!
Yay in France we call that starting a revolution !!! Some head have to fall in the process. Private property is a thief. 😂😂
Fantasy French revelations go hard 😭
Tbh as hard as in reality. We haven't find the good ending neither. ^^
@@jeremy942201 Great take actually! This comment has just made my appreciation of Elden ring go even higher
Funny, here in Germany we call this Blitzkrieg. :)
@ interesting!!
Arguably giving up to Miquella and Radahn is a good action. You get gold text when your heart is stolen
But alas is that an illusion to the real horror?
Radahn is the true hero of Elden Ring for sure
Congratulations you just gave up up free will! Miquella now dictates your existence forever. That is miquella's world.
For some reason I always felt the Tarnished was the bad guy and Margit was the good guy. I have no idea though.
I agree!
Heck Metyr betrayed the greater will to make it's own place, someone betrayed Metyr so they could take over, only to be betrayed by Marika, so she could make her golden order, then she was betrayed, kinda seems like everyone was the villain at one point and time, not surprised we are the main villain of Elden Ring and soon Night Reign
May chaos take the world~Shabriri
May CHAOS SOOOOOON TAKE THE WORLD
Metyr was abandoned, the Greater Will betrayed her, bot the inverse.
Prototype ahh Emerald Gecko. "You come in here and you kill and destroy. Your presence was demanded ten years ago, but you weren't here."
I don’t understand at all but I’m all for it
@@theemeraldgecko310 Poppy Playtime reference.
@ ah my bad! I’ve never played it!
As soon as i seent the thumb nail, all i can picture is that British meme, "Are we the baddies?", LOL.
I NEED to look this up lmaoooo
You could also make the argument that you're just a random dude exploring and these guys just attack you without even bothering to ask what you're doing there.
I get that, but if someone barged into you’re house what would you do?
@theemeraldgecko310 Boss: What are you doing in my house!?
Tarnished: Uh... the door was wide open and the place looked deserted.
Boss...Okay, that's fair.
@ now that you mention it….🤣
I always like different perspectives on the many endings of the Fromsoft games.
I gotta disagree with you a bit though regarding the frenzied flame ending. While yes, everything dies, gets burnt up and destroyed so things can go back to the way they should be, that's not necessarily bad, like volcanoes that obliterate large swaths of land, the ashes of what's left always spring forth fresh, new life.
Personally I think it's one of the better ones, as it's just cyclical. It's got no preference and only does what it does because that's it's purpose.
Still, I enjoyed the video and your idea that we're the bad guy, no doubt a couple endings definitely seem that way.
If there’s one thing I could change about this video, it would be the frenzied flame ending part. I’m glad despite that you enjoyed the video!
you always have the most interesting takes and i like looking forward to your theories, please dont stop. and thank you!
I promise not to stop! Thanks so much for the comment honestly can't put into words how much it means to me!!! Can't wait for Nightreign
This video brings up a good series of points about power, law, and the people who wield them.
Gecko, you are objectively correct by our current modern society's standards that the MC of ER is a straight up bastard. The thing is, straight up bastards tend to get things done
Many, MANY cultural heroes IRL are cut from the same cloth, uncompromising people who view the law of the land as suggestions
I'm not saying its good or right or beneficial for our society. What I am saying is that damn near everyone who changed the world broke a fucktonne of laws to do it
And some laws are so unjust they should be broken
You are definitely right! I tried to view this from even a medieval law perspective , sorry if it didn’t come across as that!
Prawns in bed. Doesn't that make us the real villain?
Matter of perspective…
What ?!?!? Who eats breaded cheesecake ?
I don’t know what I was on lmaooo, I meant the bit at the bottom of cheesecake
Patches, not because he likes it, but because he's Patches
0:47 hold up, how was the great rune you got from Morgott your first one?
@@The_Cai_Guy to tell you the truth I used a save download thingy so I could get faster clips regardless of where I was in the story!
@@The_Cai_Guy trust me without it, it’s such a pain
You can get inside Leyndell before the fingers want you be there by killing Radahn, going to ancestor woods, killing the valiant gargoyles, taking the coffin to the deeproot depths, then beating Fia's Champions to unlock a portal past the Two Finger seal. Although that still means Radahn's is the first great rune you get, it does allow your second Great Rune to be Morgott's, and thus I imagine showing the Two fingers that they didn't have as much control as they thought.
@@dgalloway107wait you’ve gotta be joking? You can do this?
Are we the baddies?
I think we might be mate..
Good. Tired of playing the hero.
AHHHHHH AY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
@@theemeraldgecko310And all will be one again
@@theemeraldgecko310 And all will be one again 😈
Sorry you're not a sigma sticker would go hard
@ Absolutely no idea what that means but you do you bro
Melania: will slowly rot the whole world. (Mercy, and protection of the world
Godrick: kills specific tarnished to make himself more powerful (revenge and justice)
Mohg: freaky blood cultist whose men killed your maiden and would rise to fight you as Lord one day (justice and protection of the world.
Rahdan: a shell of his former self and a ravenous monster who could destroy the world if left unchecked (mercy and protection)
Placidusax: would rise to fight you one day as Lord one day (avoid giant war)
You get the point. Whether it be to repair the world or protect it, you can contextualize the merc-ing of every boss besides the regal ancestor spirit.
Frenzied flame is the good ending, you put everyone out of their misery
At the same time is that the right course?
@ I choose mercy
@@crankskinatra6038good point!
Makes sense, every time I pick up an item it says PILLAGE remains
Not really. If you have guilds on guilds supporting you it's now either organized crime. Or just war. That's how it goes. It's really not a crime if you're helping the people. Or if you win
I get that but those actions are still on us!
@ to save people. What’s the conquered to the conquerer
2:30 so a cannibal is your go to example?
Yep! Cause it shows that Grace can be despised to such an extreme extent
@@theemeraldgecko310 to the extent that one eats his own kin. Therefore invalidating his own position.
To be frank. There are no saints in the eldenring world.
Even ms. Mentally handicapped queen is surrounded by botched brainlets, SHE made cause she was upset about her divorce.
To label the tarnished as, the bad guy is an oversimplification
@theemeraldgecko310 there goes youtube, immediately deleting everything I say.
Tldr: there are no saints in eldenring.
@@1slayer959 I’m sorry!! It hasn’t popped up for me, I’ll do some looking into it because I’m definitely confused/ want to know what’s up with it!!
Agreed!
@@theemeraldgecko310 it's most likely not something on your end. It seems to be something youtube is trigger happy about lately
Fuk yes, Emerald Gecko upload
Hope you enjoy my dude!!
🦐
I do agree all endings are kinda eerie but mind you I think we should look at the endings as accepted punishments for the actions of the hornsent and or Bayle
Saying that, we aren’t actually responsible for that!
Everything that is said and done doesn't matter as, in the end, everything that distinguishes and divides will burn to ash.
AHHHHH MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
At the end of the DLC we team up with a murdering, blood drinking assassin to kill a God that sacrificed himself for love. A love that's claimed is a spell which overwrites, but clearly the fact that there's opposition to it means that even that is most likely a lie. And why are we tarnished? Seeing as how degenerate so many in power are in the Lands Between its probably a good bet there was good cause to strip you of grace.
Are we the villan? No, not if you take the path of least great runes.
You are a conquer, an outcast who was selected by god(the greater will) to remove the corruption of power at the throne since marika has defected against god and radagon is failing to repair the situation.
Elden beast was simply the greater will manifesting itself for a final test to see if you are worthy.
Conquers can be villains too though no?
@theemeraldgecko310 that depends. Are you simply carrying out the will of the games God and doing as little extra damage in the process. Or are you a powerhungry maniac who goes after every single great rune and clears every area.
“Are we the baddies?” 😳
I think we are mate
Short answer.... Yes.
YESSS
Short sighted thoughts... but thy for the vid❤
Thank you!!
Okay, so, great video, very well edited, the narrator has a cool voice and is very charismatic, but I disagree with some things said during the video.
I'm not trying to say that all of our character's actions are justifiable (because, in an RPG game, Role Playing varies from player to player), but... many of the things mentioned in the video are neutral or objectively good.
Okay, starting with our "invasion" of Raya Lucaria.
I understand you want to see students as victims, but let's recap some of the Academy's actions:
- They betrayed the Carians in their moment of greatest weakness, when Rennala went insane;
- They locked Rennala in a tower and basically declared war on the Carians, which you could say, was the only Dynasty in the Lands Between that could be considered good;
- They plunged Liurnia into complete chaos, handing over the entire land to the Knights of the Cuckoo to plunder;
- Not to mention the way they treated the greatest mages to ever step foot in the academy: Lusat, Azur and Sellen.
Furthermore, we did not kill Rennala; we saved her, as she was a prisoner of the academy. So answer me... where's the harm in that?
"But what about Leyndell?"
Oh, yes... Leyndell. The capital of a slave Empire with a superiority complex? The same Leyndell who ordered the massacre of the Fire Giants, who declared war on Liurnia? The Leyndell responsible for perpetrating systematic persecutions against the Omens, Misbegotten, Those who live in death? This Leyndell who would watch the world rot into stagnation just to maintain her own worldview? This Leyndell?
And it's noteworthing, all of this is STILL OCCURRING during Morgott's reign. Morgott is a tragic character and all, but he is a perpetuator of the worst in Leyndell. There is no way to show mercy to a maniac who would rather die than simply admit that his ideology or worldview is indisputably wrong.
As for your view of the endings, I completely disagree with each of them, with the exception of the Frenzied Flame ending.
- Fia's Ending ends with the persecution of Those Who Live in Death, and if overpopulation is a problem for any Order, someone should have warned Marika, who removed the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring, preventing the death of any individual for centuries and perhaps millennia.
- Ranni's Ending is the hardest to defend, but still, all of its actions were taken against the "Empire of Leyndell", which was an evil force in the Lands Between. Sure, many people died (or not, because Marika's shenanigans), but the world was stagnant and on the verge of collapse anyway. Dissent, factionalism, religious strife, all of this was already happening even before the Night of the Black Knives. Besides, a world without the influence of the Outer Gods is a good world to live in.
- Goldmask's Ending acknowledges the big problem with treating mere humans as gods, because "human" gods are susceptible to all sorts of human failings. In my opinion, this is possibly the best ending, because as we saw in the DLC... whenever a "god" believes he has the best solution for the world, people suffer.
Dung Eater's Ending can also be seen in a positive light, after all, it puts an end to the prejudice against Omens, Misbegotten and all sorts of groups that were marginalized during the Erdtree Era.
Furthermore, I believe that, in many ways, our character is the hero of the Lands Between or at the very least, an instrument of justice, bringing punishment and retribution to those responsible for bringing the Lands Between to complete ruin.
Honestly Every ending is grew. But i think thats because the world is grey. Dung eaters ending is the curse of the omen. Gang is just reverting to crucible. Even him whos apparently defiling souls is within the laws of order. When that can be allowed they deserve to be abandoned and or burned. I personally think the golden order ending is something the world itself proved to not deserve even if it was A heaven inder tyranny 😂
I get a feeling the idea of right or wrong isn’t the point of the grander scheme of the story, simply making A choice and going along with the actions and reactions of that choice. Maybe lol just an idea
I do get where you’re coming from!
Gotta be real, dude. Elden Ring isn't any different from the other FromSoft games. All of Darksouls. Demon Souls.The Good Hunter from Bloodborne. You are never a hero in these games. The only one you could be considered a Hero in is maybe Sekiro and that's also debatable. The worlds Fromsoft crafts aren't capable of creating heroes, only new broken pieces to replace the old broken pieces.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head!
Leave the petty moral hand-wringing for the losers and rejects.
I will be Elden Lord.
NOOO MAY CHOAS TAKE THE WORLD
Nah they all had it coming
To an extent not all tho
Idk man, i trust Goldmask, a dude that T-Poses like that is trustworthy in my opinion.
You know… you do have a point
Ranni real end goal? she just love you and you alone.
Uh huh…
@@theemeraldgecko310 trust me bro the way she treats us for the whole story, I bet the reason she did all that was because your character original was to be her consort but Marika feard what you'd become so she got you killed and Ranni rebelled against the order and in the end she calls you her lord and dear consort eternal. That's my head canon, and to me, it is, lol 😆
@ I like the head cannon dude to be fair🙏
Good, I'm done pretending they didn't stabbed me first (Grifted Scion started the beef and I'm sure as hell FINISHING IT!)
OH 100%
Gecko is the baddie
Change my mind 🤣😂
Why thank you🤣
@@theemeraldgecko310Had to be said with your title 😂🤣 but only Gecko is the baddie. I'm the hero 😜
@ god damn🤯🎃
I wouldn’t say we the villain more like the chosen one
Yes not controlled by grace but guided. Free will is an important need of the golden order. Another reason why we are meant to kill Morgott cause he wants peace
There is no peace when u are the creator of the universe and aspects of yourself including or opposite half wants to take over the lands between
Given the fact that crucible seems to be the feminine half of the greater Will and the mother of all outer gods
Chosen one of chaos maybe?
If the age of the duskborn is bad because someday overpopulation will get bad, you might as well be mad about childbirth too 😅
Problem is, natures method of controlling it is death, with no death…
My guy i love your videos however the dungeater ending is not so simple as you say. His goal as he says himself in game was to not necessarily spread suffering but to end it. By cursing the very system of the world itself then the very concept that someone could be cursed and / or suffering in this world doesn't even exist. If everyone one knows a state of suffering then ultimately no one is suffering. They are just living life. Dungeater is definitely bat shit crazy but he had a good heart 😂
Ranni slander 😤
ALWAYS
Perhaps you're just a pessimist, and if you want a "Good Ending", go play a Disney game, all Souls games have an open to interpretation endings, "Good or Bad" ending is entirely up to you, and saying all the endings are "Bad Endings", well; that is also all you 🤣🤣🤣 You need to enjoy life more
I’m confused? I literally just presented info in game which suggests we are a non moral character
@@theemeraldgecko310
A- Again, that's open to interpretation
B- Did you intentionally seek to kill all the NPCs from Roundtable Hold that were friendly to you? (which you can do in the game) Did you Kill Nefheli, Rogier, Fia, Roderika? *Yes or No*
No, but there’s other characters like morgott we HAVE to kill
@@theemeraldgecko310
A- Then no, your player character is not evil
B- There are no options to not kill Morgott, you cannot dialogue with Margott, and he will kill you
C- You aren't evil but, you really are a pessimist
Nah Duskborn is the way, the ones who live in death are gonna get their own realm to go to and as people continue to die they will go to that realm as well.
If this is the case 100%. But when does it say this?
Lyndale?
Just my accent 🤣
I can fix Ranni though
Sure bro😭🙏
Did Caillou's dad write this script? Tf?
Who is that?
Nah.
Maybe…
@@theemeraldgecko310 nuh uh
@apolloisnotashirt yuh huh buckaroo
@ damn... how do I counter that?
@ That's the point...YOU DON'T
didn't expect you describing Israel in the first minutes of the video
No comment..
I've got no idea what language you're speaking
Might be English not sure my guy
I’ll have to check
I think you can say were the villain if u insist the Golden Order (creator of life itself) is evil
I say that the grace we were given by it told us to face itself in the form of the elden beast
You make some good points!
Sorry, this is just the dumbest take I've seen in a while.
Mind explaining why?
A lot of people don't realize that if fact...you are the bad guy.
Let's say you end the game on your playthrough, but you keep playing that file.
You go back to leyndell, and it's no longer bathed in gold...it's bathed in ash, its dark cold. No longer this warm, inviting city.
And do you feel bad that you're the cause of it because you wanted to become elden lord? To rule over what? A dead city with dead inhabitants?
When you start a NG and you go back to leyndell and see it as it should be, perfect, warm, golden. It's inhabitants doing their job patrolling the city...THEIR city. From evil.
The city has order, the golden order, and you walk in and make a mess of everything.
If you go back to meeting white mask varre at the church, becoming a red phantom for mohg is almost a way to stop new players from reaching the end goal of destroying a perfect world.
Ghosts seem to cherish the comeback of their first Elden Lord, so it's not really making a mess it was rather a requirement, for the tree to burn.
All tarnished were called for a reason.
I absolutely hate game of thrones season 8, the one part I liked was the discussions of ruling over ashes (even if it did get through out the window 2 eps later), I think that discussion fits perfectly here
It might not be perfect, but it has order in the misery and even some happiness
Ranni ending has to be the most evil one abandoning the people as they are with no hope and her sin underground infecting the world without end against his own will (Godwyn) we should’ve at least got something that can stop Godwyn or save him or something 💔
Exactly!! Glad you get it!
Would you rather the world continue under the rule of the monstrous 2 fingers who doomed the planet in the first place?
@@1slayer959 no I would rather she removes them and all the other problems that came from her quest before she just up and leaves the world a complete mess especially with the people of the lands suffering in every direction and Miquilla hatching his plot to take over. Her ending is basically her taking all the power of the only god of the land at the time and removing it from the world leaving all hell to take over including GODWYN spreading deathblight everywhere (because of her and she is proud of that as she mentions). she didnt even bother to think about what leaving the world like this. (not even going to mentio the other things that could just show up out of the blue and take over)
🤔play another game or touch grass Captain Obvious.
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