While theoretically you are right, in this case the difference is so vast it's easily perceivable even on the supposed "720p video screen". And I am using a mere decent earphone on a mere decent notebook.
Sort of... But you could tell the difference between some computer speakers and a million dollar system right? It's how the sound fills the space more than anything I think.
I know what you mean. However, on my phone I could still instantly hear a significant difference in this case. The recorded version is muddy with very poor instrument separation.
if they are playing a recording of that band in that room then the problem is, the recording picks up room characteristics, so when it is played back those room acoustics are in the recording plus the natural acoustics of the room. for more accuracy they would play the speakers in a room or recorded the band in a dead room.
Theoretically correct. But the spatial ques that the reproduced music got horribly wrong can't be attributed to this difference. If anything, this video reemphasizes the fact that what we here in our personal listening-room is NOT what was played in the recording venue, but how the reproduction team (recording engineer, editing team) interpreted the original scene and how they envisaged the reproduction should sound like.
it sounds different, so... in a hall the band Always wins, in my house, i will go with the high end system, thank you... sorry, but i don't want these guys in my home
Joseph Jove In comparison to the live band which was also recorded, then copied, then downloaded, and played through our own speakers. That being said, I really wish people would record speaker test using binaural recording - so when listening back we get a clearer idea.
Joseph Jove What if I'm listening to this with a $3500 DAC with a $1500 headphone amplifier and $2000 headphones? Yes, the sound is compressed like hell, still I would say it sounds pretty good, honestly at this point in time though I've preferred the band playing, it was more live (musically, not the fact that it's a live show), also I wouldn't call these speakers the best there are much better and prices are not an indicator for quality, always look for price/performance, what you get for the money, if you can't tell the difference, stop right there, I would only ask you not to shove it up someones ass or mouth or whatever, if you can't tell the difference doesn't mean that others can't.
Sergey Sedlovsky lol almost no reason to price drop your gear. It's still youtube, it's mediocre recording at best. You might as well be listening through a tin can.
Joseph Jove The Keyword here being not identical. Yes it's so much better... For the record - Auralic Vega, audio-gd Master 9 and Audeze LCD-3 Though to be honest M9 is on its way here, and LCD-3 broke so it's on RMA atm, meanwhile on Auralic Vega + Schiit Lyr + HD700 still sounds good enough to compare the difference between band and speakers.
I'm listening to this on a tablet and I can hear a great difference in the sound, live the sound is crisp,bright,detailed and snappy, you loose that with the speaker's
As we all know there are MANY variables to be questioned here in this demonstration. However, I do find this to be an intriguing demonstration as a music/audio enthusiast. From a sound engineer's point of view, this really goes to show that transparency is in the hands of the engineer just as much as it is the equipment. I wish to thank all involved in making this content. Thanks!
Live is muuuuch better. But let's consider the mics captured the sound and also the room reberb, which is duplicated at playback. Also, assuming that live sound was straight from the camera, we don't know if the recording mics and the camera were at the same distance from stage, or closer. So many variables! It is so interesting this excercise!
So many comments about how much microphone/recording quality makes all the difference, but just forget all that and listen - the difference between live and the speakers is incredibly obvious... through equally good/bad/fair recording equipment. It's an A|B test and those factors stay the same, so it's quite an interesting comparison.
Even the best speaker or system in the world can't match live side by side comparison in that size of a room. The room needs to be smaller or needed more amp power. imo
Nothing beats live musicians because it's not just the music but the movement, the facial expression, the human connection, the whole package that a hifi stereo system can never give. Otherwise that speaker system is out of reach of normal people anyways, cost-wise.
Live and recorded sound will never be the same. But for the people who likes audio electronics, the most important factor is to find out which system reproduce that recorded sound more closer to the actual event. This is the excitement of this interesting hobby.
And the Isophon Berlina got completely merked! But then you wouldn't expect otherwise. High End loudspeaker technology has come a long way and we're closer than ever before to bringing the sound of a live event to a listeners living room. The sound of some modern high end audio systems is frankly stunning, but the live event cannot be matched currently. Credit to Isophon for putting their product forward for such an experience.
It's impossible to make speakers as good as real. I cranked the volume a bit and the treble by 7db and it sounded nearly the same and the (compression) I got used to it quite quickly with the 7db extra treble. It's an impossible comparison cos with the system you are recording a doubling up of the room acoustics (fail) so that may explain the drop in high frequencies. And with the speakers the sound is from different source positions than the instrument positions in the room (explains the failed imaging that sounds like compression). I hope this helps, from a speaker building enthusiast.
This video reemphasizes the fact that what we here in our personal listening-room is NOT what was played in the recording venue, but how the reproduction team (recording engineer, editing team) interpreted the original scene and how they envisaged the reproduction should sound like.
Who says TH-cam is not for understanding sound/finding out the difference between two systems? In this video even on my entry mid-level notebook+entry level headphone the difference is stark.
Remember, that factors that affect sound quality comes in the recording and post production process (mixing,mastering etc). Most likely, the speakers are already overkill in terms of quality. Do also note the audio in the video is being recorded using the camera mic, which do have quality differences, moreover the speakers are far away from the camera mic, therefore causing extra reflections and muddy bass buildup, and high end and low end also diminishes due to the proximity effect. During the performance section the audio being played in the video is most likely some form of recorded and mixed track, or maybe the stage monitors are nearby the camera. Honestly if you want good sound you need a good sounding room and studio monitors. That's a better solution than using trendy audiophile setups, because the studio monitors are what most of the producer is listening to while making their song, moreover they have a flat frequency response, unless you want some colour. Maybe most audiophile speakers are flat. (It should be) Just my opinion, at least.
Thanks for your observation) I noticed that too)) this test is invalid, so to speak! At first I thought there was a microphone for each instrument, but there only seem to be 2 stereo microphones in the middle! They could have used exactly this recording for the loudspeakers and for the band a second one from the listener's point of view! Because you should always start from this point of view!!!
This is a nonsensical comparison. If you want to make us (and yourself) think about the difference between real and recorded (played back) music, and use TH-cam as a test, then here's the way to go: 1. Cut your 9-minute performance into 36 pieces, 15 seconds each. 2. Randomly attribute each of the 36 pieces to either the live performance or your recorded performance (played back through the 'hi-end system'). For instance, you might want to attribute: - segment 1 to the live performance - segment 2 to the recorded performance - segment 3 to the recorded performance - segment 4 to the live performance - segment 5 to the recorded performance and so on. Use a pair of dice or a coin for the attribution. 3. Create an AV-file of your original performance, maintaining the video, but replacing the original audio with a sequence of 15-second audio fragments according to the order established in step 2. Insert three seconds of 'blank' AV to separate the fragments, in order to avoid direct comparisons and have us listen at the top of our aural ability.. 4. Upload that AV-file to TH-cam, NOT telling us which fragment is "live" (recorded from your live performance) and with is "recorded" (played back through the hi-end system). Let your audience guess for each of the fragments which is which. 5. After three months, reveal the solution. Be prepared to accept whatever the outcome is. Remember that the guess level is at 50%, meaning that any deaf listener will attribute 18 out of the 36 fragments correctly, just by chance. 6. Know the limitations of that experiment. You are *not* comparing live to recorded performances, but *a recording and TH-cam playback* of a live recordeing to a recording of a recorded performance. That puts a limit to your ecological validity.
Your proposal would be like taking a sip of pepsi, then a sip of coke, then a sip of pepsi, then a sip of coke, etc. After several sips nobody would be able to tell. I think you can hear a difference even on youtube, but I don't claim scientific authority. Listen before you buy! "I'll take the band, please. Could you gift-wrap that?"
No matter how much was expensive audio equipment, they will never be able to replicate the live sound. She can only infinitely close to him. For it is the law of the audio path.
Maksim Rozhdestvin No strange - even position of speakers in that hall is different. But I'd say there may be "natural" differences and annoying artificial differences. Sense of hearing can recognize sound as equal to original or damaged even if they vary,.
I don't agree, it's case by case dependent on a lot of factors. I've had plenty of experiences were live music was much worse than my open back headphones or home stereo system.
The first GLARINGLY OBVIOUS thing is the huge volume difference between the live performance and the recorded one. You have to turn the volume of your speakers way up to match the volume of live performance !
The band played much louder, so it gives the impression that it sounds better. Volume leveling would be very important to do an adequate side-by-side comparison, unless the speakers just could not play that loud. If you open two windows with this video, you can adjust the volume between the two and get them to an approximately equal level. If you do this, the speakers actually compare reasonably well for listening with TH-cam's compressed digital sound.
Why the drop in general sound level, it would help to play it back at the same level. I noticed a drop in top end intensity, and I added 7 db treble and it sounded like the same, but not the same stereo image. That's cos it's coming from different sources, the instrument positions and then the speaker positions. And another reason this idea fails (a bit) is that you are getting a doubling up of the acoustic characteristics of the room. So that makes the comparison an impossibility if you want to be really accurate.
Saed Abumokh yes like sitting at home watching a youtube video confuses people and they dont seem to realize that they only hear a recording and its coming through their speakers. The point is you cant jude "live" because this is not live.
to anyone or everyone listening to this, the difference between the live and speakers were deff very obvious, even from the first few notes.. but i believe the point of the demo was to show how well these speakers can actually produce the sounds of the instruments and actually comparing it straight head to head.. and the speakers were quite amazingly close if i may say.
The issue here is itts to dependent on the recording system, mic placement etc. to many variables. The system could be great and well tuned although having this kind of system in a large room like this is also not how a high end system should be setup. Allot of work and not much of a point to it.
sound great on my jbl 4410's. that being said we could only know how those high end speakers really sounded only if they were sitting in our listening room duh.....
Ready get set Jam right? Them speakers sound great on my system, not sure what everyone else is hearing, was a little quieter at first, turned it up a bit and wow. If they synched the band video with the speaker sound I think that would have been interesting psychologically.
I went to the CES in the 90's in Orlando. In the hotel, they were playing a grand piano. I heard it in the hallway as I passed by. Stopped in to listen, and in the middle of the room was the grand piano, but nobody was playing it and it was not a player piano. One of the few times a speaker was good enough to convince me it wasn't a speaker. Don't remember the brand now, but one was sitting on either side of the piano. I do remember it was way out of my budget. Most speakers you can tell right away it's a speaker and not a piano. I was amazed to be fooled by it.
I have 2 critics here: 1. You can have high end output system, BUT if the recording, mixing, and mastering are awful its will sounds bad at all 2. The speakers placement not in sweet spot You can hear too much echo here, from the recording and from the room it self
To my amazement I can hear the difference as clear as night and day. The live band has much better dynamics, speed, and wider frequency range. They just sound live and the speakers sound like a transistor radio. I would not have thought that would be possible over TH-cam and through my computer into 50 w amp and bookshelf speakers but it is pretty obvious to me. Initial thoughts are sound difference would be limited by the quality of the encoding and my simple set up but I was wrong. Can anyone else hear the difference? Many things in audio that we think are not possible seem to become a possibility when you actual try them out and have an open mind to listen to what is so
You are definitely right. But as I understand the main goal of this video is to compare a particular sound system to live performance. Comparison consists many relatives and the method of comparing is not the best possible (may be available). So there is no talking about what is suitable for your living room - live orchestra or sound system. I wish I get rich enough that I can afford live performance in my living room whenever I desire to hear music))
If you will notice the glass between the hall and the camera when the percussion instruments are playing, the reflection is vibrating to the SPL. When the Loudspeakers are playing the SPL doesn't move the glass. Obviously at the least there isn't enough power to the speakers as well as not enough square feet to the woofers/subwoofers (subs being non existent in the video).
The funny thing is, that for the audience the speakers likely sounded BETTER than the real band, if they were playing without amplification of any kind. The real band will have sounded a bit "washed out" because the bass frequencies of the instruments will not carry out all that far in to a hall of this size. The speakers will likely produce more volume and bass than the actual band, making them sound better. On this video however, we are hearing a close miked direct recording of the instruments VS a recording of a playback thru the speakers with microphones at a larger distance. This will always sound worse, no matter how great the system sounds in reality.
***** I'd say it's not precise. What is actually definition of hi-end? I see that for 90% customers stuff enormous big and expensive. But should be rather enormous good sounding. Then what is good sound? It is identical to reality. This one sounds more pleasant which means for this category its not hi end . Sure few drivers in long line cannot make the same impression as realtively small point source like vibs or percussion. Phases will be mixed too much - I pointed at phases in my vid's "Shoulod we worry about phase distortion in speakers".. Anyway it's interesting and valuable demonstration.
The close Mic has a profound effect. The ballroom ceiling mixes also sound incredible when they mix them with the individual channels on different filters. Like a close mic on a guitar with a crossover to use pickups above 500hz. I have an all-Klipsch RF7 system that I prefer to any live performance for that reason.
Can't Disaggree with what your saying at all. But there is absolutely no speaker(I belive) that can reproduce the exact sounds that each insturment is playing at the same time. Each insturment has its own size and charteristic and playing its one thing. while a speaker is trying to reproduce everything at once over 2 or three speakers( Low/Mid/High) Hearing it live will always have a "Better" sound then a speaker can reproduce.. Then again It comes down to your prefrence of what you like.. as all audio in the end comes down to.
I dont know how you get to that nonsense. The dynamics and natural clarity of the real thing always goes over the reproduction. Nothing to do with artificial specs
The real band sound much better than that Hi-end system... the sound of the band is more clear, those speakers sound good at high frecuencys but in med and lows sound opaque
Live recording was recorded from particular microphones of instruments. Replay record was recorded from stereo microphone from that video camera set. Lol.
Lol i think it sounds pretty darn good but my opinion and everyone elses opinion is trivial because we are watching a video on youtube, and listening on speakers that most likely cost 100th or 1000th less than that stereo setup. So sure, it doesnt sound as good but i better it sounds pretty damn close if we were live.
It's a pity, the first live part has some errors at 1:22 to 1:24 but they do not appear at the same time on the "not modified version" afterwards. Just listen for yourself at 9:58 to 10:00 the xylophone has no disharmony. The second recording is exactly the same as on the Manger test CD "Musik von einem anderen Stern". This recording, track 14 from O Zone Percussion Group, is one of the better once in Hifi, so no surprise, that it sound better than live...
Great video the sound is great all the comments i read missed the obvious the recording equipment is something else and the sound quality is greatly dependent on your playback equipment and of course the microphone quality great video thought it was a pretty brilliant percussion band thanks for sending...
You are absolutely correct my friend. It's like a photographer with a 2 megapixels camera trying to captures all the details of his beautiful model. It's about quality equipments! =D
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Comparing the real humans playing the real instruments and the good sound of the high end Home theater or audiophile speakers if that's what you call that, the sound of the two sounds different. The speakers can't be compared to the real sound of the humans playing the real musical instruments. Yes the same music is used when it was played in the speakers but listening to the speakers the sound quality went down. Its OBVIOUS IN THE MID HIGH AND BASS. The Humans make the music sound alive while the speakers make the sound quality less. You can here the difference even if you are only listening using your speakers, what more if you are there listening in front of them.
I believe this was a demo done by Isophon to demo their Berlina RC11 speakers. A few points, I don't think it's meant for online comparison as the crowd who were there will be able to compare live vs recorded replay by RC11. While we are all here listening to recorded live vs recorded replay. In addition, I wish I was there because Isophon will not be stupid enough to put their speakers under scrutiny if it doesn't do well. Nonetheless, live is live, live is always 'perfect' or the baseline. Audio system will try it best to replicate 'live' environment. I just don't get it why would people questions all this thing and comparison, youtube is recorded video from the internet.
While the separation and imaging is extremely accurate the tonality is slightly different. It is less dynamic. Given the price of a ticket to a live event and the price of this system I'll go to the live performance and enjoy many other options. Percussion is likely the most difficult to get right in a loud speaker. It may be that it comes down to the capability of the recording equipment to the exact tonal qualities rather than the speakers too (mics, digital recorder, engineer, monitors used in the studio). Plus the other associated equipment used in the chain can influence the sound too. Amplifiers have their own signature, so perhaps we are hearing some influence from them or the playback source.
The band has much better dunamic range... the speakers are lost harsh and confused. Compair the start of the band to the speakers. Band wins hands down.
No its comparable because there is no live performance. HELLO HELLO they are both recordings. You do not hear live ANYTHING on youtube. period. The way it works is: Live means that you are there. Its confusing for people because they think they hear what they see. You dont. You dont even see what you see. If you see it then go get up on stage. Doh! I wanna get me one a them Tay Vay sets foe the livin rome
to sing like real instruments in a hall you need HUGE woofers and HUGE dynamic range with efficient speakers, not some puny woofers in a slim pretty box
+eug3nius Perhaps in a huge hall of that size, but in a normal home, smaller woofers, lower efficiency and smaller cabinet size can still achieve the desired goals. I just bought a pair of Magico S5 Mk2 speakers which are rated at 89db @4ohms, however they are highly dynamic speakers due to the speed, accuracy, control and resolution of their new drivers. Also the excursion rate of the voice coil for the bass drivers is measured at 15mm linear movement & produces clean and undistorted SPL's up to 120db @50Hz/1 meter. Also, when measuring the size of bass drivers, consider that two 250mm (10in) bass drivers per enclosure is equivalent to a 370mm (14.5in) unit.
+Bodhi Sattva (Bodhisattva) High excursion kills dynamics, compromises linearity and adds compression. It's a way to get high SPL from a small box, not a way to increase SQ. My point is, it's logical to use at least 4 subs for bass and keep the sound from the midbass up as high eff as you can to decrease excursion, ideally over 95dB. If you can keep it open baffle as well, even better, but that implies a dedicated room. Which you should have if you buy ultra expensive speakers and you care about SQ not bragging rights. For that kind of money I want a system that doesn't exceed 1mm of excursion at the same SPL. Go listen to a high eff speaker, it doesn't have to be a huge horn system, something like the Horning Agalme (Zigma optional) or a Legacy V is quite ok, then tell me about accuracy. :)
+Bodhi Sattva (Bodhisattva) Yeah but the room they are in, in the video, isn't a normal home. So its not a good comparison. i'd love them to test percussion band against some top notch JBL PA speakers (SRX 8 series or whatever was the biggest).
+eug3nius I understand the thrust of what your'e saying, however it should be noted high efficiency speakers such as horns, or hybrid horns have their pro's & con's, just as dynamic speakers do. Once you get up to cost-no-object speakers like the Magico Q7 Mk2 which are 94db, you can have your cake and eat it too. Just out of interest, have you heard a pair of Magico S5's or Q3's? Well the S5 Mk2 (89db) is better than both of those models by a large margin. Magico use extremely light and stiff cone materials (diamond-coated Beryllium, graphene & aluminium/graphene), sophisticated motor systems & massive, high grade magnets to achieve very high flux density which increases speed and lowers distortion substantially. Combined with their extremely rigid, alu cabinets & damped copper O-ring mounting, I can assure you as an owner their design doesn't kill dynamics or linearity. Fyi the S5's had the lowest THD ever measured by the National Research Council of Canada (NRC) when they were lab tested back in 2013. Re: Subs, i'm generally not a fan due to the difficultly in achieving truly coherent sound. I have a friend who stuffed around for years trying to integrate subs with his hybrid horn speakers & was never completely happy with the results. But I do like the Wilson Benesch Torus Infrasonic generator. Legacy make some good value speakers, but the Legacy V's are notoriously difficult to setup.
+lazygamerz Few loudspeaker systems are really capable of filling a room that size & getting a good sound stage/image. But this is certainly one of them! - www.whatsbestforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5128&d=1346026003
@@karl9479 Hence this is a pointless comparison. The processes the audio went through from that recording to coming out of my speakers is probably not the best thing for audio... And both came out of my speakers, through my amp, from by my DAC, reconstituted from lossy compressed audio, so... Too many changes to be a perfect and fair test.
when 0:37 - 0:45 the live performance got mistakes.. but when come to the speaker.. it sounds perfect.. at 9:09 - 9:15.. is this the extra feature of this hi end system?
haha, indeed! :) Theese speakers seems to play in such a "high end" league, that the speakers themselves heard the bandmembers mistakes, and corrected them upon replay.
It's kind of hard to judge. The percussion band is slightly louder in terms of the drums, and the tambourines on the live band came through crisper. I think the speakers were working quite hard to fill the bigger room so it may have sounded more dynamic at home. As both are coming through on a substandard microphone, converted to youtube audio and played back through my DJ speakers it's even harder to guess.
If this video is not fake, this can probably be the most accurate reproduction of live music that an high end system can do. Absolutely amazing. It has (almost) everything, including the timbre!
I think the difference is in the room acoustics. The speakers reproduces the reverberation from the recorded room being recorded. If the test with the speakers had been done on a different room it would had had different results. Sorry if my english is not perfect.
150,000 Euros? Really? .by the looks of the drivers & this so-called performance.. I'd say they aren't worth nearly that money.....this comparison probably could have been much much closer with a nice pair of JBL 4350s...these baby drivers in this obscenely overpriced POS speakers are pure snake-like drivel, & this comparison proves it...
Use MAGNEPAN MAGNEPLANAR SPEAKERS! Correct large footprint at low pressure mimics an orchestra accurately. These are the large flat (thin front to back) speakers.
The sound quality picked up by the mics while playing live sounds great ! However the recorded playback soundstage image left / right is reversed ! Conventional high end systems still sounds soggy with veil & blunted transcients On our advanced playback system the live performance is without veil or blunted transcient No soggy sound too Its sounds live like
There is no information regarding the recording techniques, it looks very unfair to me, the instruments appear to be miked up individually, taking great care to get a good quality recording, I have no idea how the speakers were recorded, you would have to be there to hear the real difference, if we could hear a sound track recorded from the center of the hall,as this test was being done, although it would not be the best recording, it would be more representative of the true difference as the audience would hear it.
I blame the mics, sound staging and overall editing. These speakers could sound the same with the right editing and placement of speakers. Another thing to note is the sound is echoing twice with the speakers as it is recorded as we hear it then sent through the speakers with the echo to echo in the room again. So yes, it sounds different but that's not to say it cant sound the same. Sound is sound. A musical instrument and loudspeaker can produce the same sound, identical sound in fact, it just takes the right sound engineering.
In a way they cannot. The instrument emanates sound from multiple sides and at varying volumes and frequency responses due to the human next to it etc. This is hard to do in a speaker, especially one with forward facing drivers, treble from a singular point which rolls off a lot when you are at the rear of the speaker. One of the reasons people like omni speakers is due to the polar response. It brings more of the listener's room into the sound however. Compromises!
Of course the real band sounds better, but, because its badly recorded. If you record it in this huge room with echo and reverberation, and play it again in same room, what do you think will come from it? A muddy mess. The speakers are actually handling it and sound amazing, you idiots saying they are bad should listen it for real.
This is a promotion for the speakers. Of course the recording is good. Why should isophon/ gauder let their speakers sound bad? That doesn't make any sense. A speaker never sounds as good as the original. Not even close.
The thing is you can only reproduce audio so accurately. People bashing on the speakers need to realize that the chaotic effect applied to sound is almost impossible if not actually impossible to reproduce in a room like this and with the instruments' placement.
Totally agree. 100% fedelity does not exists and maybe thats the reason so many audiophiles are sad ;) (kidding of course). After 15 years chenging components i returned to the point that music reproduction must be an emotional (musical) one and not only about fedelity :/.
This reminds me of the 2015 Phuket Jazz Festival when an all bongo band jammed for 30 minutes, after 5 minutes I went to get something to eat! A much better way of doing this is for the percussion group to play for 5 minutes, then play the audio system, both behind a sheer curtain. If they used Mattes SSP 200 amps the audio system would definitely sound better!
+jordanjcm jordan Human ears are superior to notice the differences regardless when comparing two sound using the same system. Nothing can match the real band.. its just like comparing resolution of high end videocam with what your eyes can see.. even with todays' standard with retina display and cinema vidcam still out-match what human eyes can see. The problem here is the quality of the gear capturing the show therefore "digitalised" audio (which degrades the real band) degrades even more as it is captured by the video recorder we see here. You know what I mean. No need to be so defensive.
Oh sorry I figured it was live vs recording and Im stupid I really didnt think the percussion band was actually live I was under the impression that it was a video showing that. In fact I agree. You really never need to go to a concert to hear live music. As long as you can see the band, be it in concert hall or on your monitor there actually is not difference. Unless you dont have much of an ear for music. I also watched a youtube vid showing two hi res giant monitors and one of them was so incredible I felt like I was at the park that was on the one monitor. it was awsome. plus the monitor i watched on is this big ol fat black and white one but it realy does not matter. its a good trick though. If you want your speakers to sound like the best speaker in the world just go to that speakers site the guy will play anything you want and then slam it through his top end everthing including mics and upload it for you. that way when you listen to it ya basically turn your speakers into his. but it cant just be a recording you have to see the speakers . it tells your brain that you can hear those speakerss. Otherwise your not gonna be overwhelmed with the sound.
The live performance sound is WAY more rich, and you can't compare speakers to live performance. Also I dont think that these are good speakers, because their cones are all made of plastic, missing the carton ones, what makes speakers sound softer, and more "bucket'y"
+babusiaN1 they cones of the berlina rc11 aren't made of plastic. These speakers have ceramic for the bassdrivers and pure diamond for the mid-highrange drivers. Get your facts straight right. You can't judge based on a youtubevideo.
ceramic and diamond are very stiff and light materials and therefore excellent at reproducing sound accurately. I myself tested these speakers in Munich and they are ofsublime quality. I don't know what went wrong at this charity concert but I can say that with a high quality recording and adjusted room they'll sound very close to the real thing.
I dont think it matters that much, it's the surface lightness and the surface shape itself, the hardness does not do very much. Ofc, unless it's made out of feathers. Then goes driver capabilities, box design, and crossovers. Lets make pure gold cables, the sound will be better than copper ones, because gold, its one of the most conductive metals. And it doesn't oxidize.
Live is superior. But SOTA DSP as from the BACCH SP could do wonders for improving the rather lackluster playback heard here. There are also so many unanswered questions as to the mic’ing involved here etc.
Those are microphones correct? Why are they there? So they capture the sound of the instruments and where does it go? Through speakers?... If not, why are they there?.... Those woofers are also VERY weak... It seems more like when they switch to only the speakers then the mics recorded the instruments? This could all go down to mics, dacs, amps, and where the music came from. I have 0 clue as to what is going on.
+Cameron ZY "This could all go down to mics, dacs, amps, and where the music came from. I have 0 clue as to what is going on." You seem to have no clue about a lot of things. If you want to blame the difference in DAC's then you're truely clueless...
vinny142 I'm not blaming a single thing in specific. I brought up a DAC meaning the one used to give signal to the amp that feeds the speakers may not be top of the line or the microphones, the speakers could just be bad. Mics recorded the live performance and fed into three more things that can degrade audio quality.
whats going on is you may all be morons. You are not hearing the speakers you see on your monitor. you hear YOUR OWN speakers. what is wrong with people? unless you are in that room in the video then you cant hear those speaker. why is EVERYONE judging speakers that nobody has actually heard? LOL sure you will hear that one is differnt from the other but no matter what you may think you are listening to your own speakers NOT the ones in the vid. OMG this is all a joke im sure. Next im going to find people talking about the high resolution of a monitor they just watched on their pc. The guy with the black and white monitor will say "I just watched this youtube vid and that monitor is not worth that kind of money. its cant even produce color. I watched it 10 times and it looked like every other monitor ive been checking out online.
jordanjcm jordan This is a video comparing speakers to a live performance. With even decent headphones you can hear a difference and especially with a clean DAC and amplifier.
Yes its comparing the two so like i said you can tell there is a differnce. Its the fact that people are basically arguing about a "high end sytem" but neither knows what the other guys is listening to as though that doesnt exist. lets just say that was the worlds best system without any doubt, If you and another gentlemen are disagreeing about what you were disagreeing about you are basically saying that the recording of it played through your system (unknown) and the other guys system (unknown) is irrelevant. I mean how far do i have to go to make this obvious. This might help. If you had your system in that room on the vid and a guy with an old radio shack woofer not even in a box was saying that sounds like shit. Im betting then you would see the absurdity in judging the sound of a system you have never heard. ever. There would be one thing you would blame for the guy calling the sound shit and that is : He has never heard the system any more then you have heard the one in the vid. you have both heard the recording of what is on the vid played through your speakers. Now i gotta go cuz im watching a vid right now on my old big ol fat tan monitor and its about the worlds highest resolution tv, so i gotta let them know the picture quality is shit. (im just adding this. I really didnt mean to come across as some complete jerk cuz i really believe that you guys have great systems so ended up over looking the fact that that you were not hearing the exact same thing)
So many variables. I'm using Bluetooth headphones and the only thing that stood out was that there was more bass and a uniformity of decay no matter what the original sounded like. Sometimes that seemed better a few notes in the beginning stood out as exaggerated. I have spent a little over a decade setting up concerts with gigantic line arrays all the way through to rooms very similar to this. I bet both sounded really good but I'm favouring the live in this room like everyone else likely is. Cool video concept.
Abdul, this piece called Jazz Variants is from percusion group Ozone.. You can get this particular piece from the Manger CD/LP or if you want to get the enitre album by this group, its on a Clearaudio recording.
бред, никакая аппартура не выдаст настоящего звука в сравнении с оркестром даже идентично не получится, на уровне ощущений любой хай енд сольет натсоящему оркестру
звуки усилить сейчас не проблема, а вот локализовать точно 8 человек на сцене это уже нереально. Оценить можно только находясь в одном зале с выступающими и аппаратурой.
this is an astonishing review/ the high-end clarity is missing in the intro , might have ben harder to tell if the opening intro was turned up a-little louder with the speakers. but as it went on it became a sense of the same overall projection of the real thing. long story short maybe it just needed a couple of KLIPSCHORNS added to it, try that then do the same demo with just 1-pair of the famous limited edition CONCERTO 901'sBose
This is like watching a video about the difference between 4K vs 8K, on my 720p video screen
Nah, it's the difference between an 8K video pro DVCAM video vs. a VHS videocassette recorded at EP speed... ;)
While theoretically you are right, in this case the difference is so vast it's easily perceivable even on the supposed "720p video screen".
And I am using a mere decent earphone on a mere decent notebook.
Sort of... But you could tell the difference between some computer speakers and a million dollar system right? It's how the sound fills the space more than anything I think.
That was good
I know what you mean. However, on my phone I could still instantly hear a significant difference in this case. The recorded version is muddy with very poor instrument separation.
if they are playing a recording of that band in that room then the problem is, the recording picks up room characteristics, so when it is played back those room acoustics are in the recording plus the natural acoustics of the room. for more accuracy they would play the speakers in a room or recorded the band in a dead room.
Correct.
No mention if it is a stage mike mix, a PA mix or a room microphone recording.
Theoretically correct. But the spatial ques that the reproduced music got horribly wrong can't be attributed to this difference.
If anything, this video reemphasizes the fact that what we here in our personal listening-room is NOT what was played in the recording venue, but how the reproduction team (recording engineer, editing team) interpreted the original scene and how they envisaged the reproduction should sound like.
it sounds different, so... in a hall the band Always wins, in my house, i will go with the high end system, thank you... sorry, but i don't want these guys in my home
ha! but yes
Joseph Jove In comparison to the live band which was also recorded, then copied, then downloaded, and played through our own speakers.
That being said, I really wish people would record speaker test using binaural recording - so when listening back we get a clearer idea.
Joseph Jove
What if I'm listening to this with a $3500 DAC with a $1500 headphone amplifier and $2000 headphones? Yes, the sound is compressed like hell, still I would say it sounds pretty good, honestly at this point in time though I've preferred the band playing, it was more live (musically, not the fact that it's a live show), also I wouldn't call these speakers the best there are much better and prices are not an indicator for quality, always look for price/performance, what you get for the money, if you can't tell the difference, stop right there, I would only ask you not to shove it up someones ass or mouth or whatever, if you can't tell the difference doesn't mean that others can't.
Sergey Sedlovsky lol almost no reason to price drop your gear. It's still youtube, it's mediocre recording at best. You might as well be listening through a tin can.
Joseph Jove The Keyword here being not identical. Yes it's so much better...
For the record - Auralic Vega, audio-gd Master 9 and Audeze LCD-3
Though to be honest M9 is on its way here, and LCD-3 broke so it's on RMA atm, meanwhile on Auralic Vega + Schiit Lyr + HD700 still sounds good enough to compare the difference between band and speakers.
Also let's not forget that the sound from a live band is Omi directional and these particular speakers are front firing.
this comment already tells a lot
I'm listening to this on a tablet and I can hear a great difference in the sound, live the sound is crisp,bright,detailed and snappy, you loose that with the speaker's
As we all know there are MANY variables to be questioned here in this demonstration. However, I do find this to be an intriguing demonstration as a music/audio enthusiast. From a sound engineer's point of view, this really goes to show that transparency is in the hands of the engineer just as much as it is the equipment. I wish to thank all involved in making this content. Thanks!
the quality of the recording, microphones used, positioning also enter in the equation to produce accurate sound reproduction
Live is muuuuch better. But let's consider the mics captured the sound and also the room reberb, which is duplicated at playback. Also, assuming that live sound was straight from the camera, we don't know if the recording mics and the camera were at the same distance from stage, or closer. So many variables! It is so interesting this excercise!
There is no "HiFi system on the planet that can outperform World Class Musicians in a LIVE concert! PERIOD!!!
I enjoyed the live performance, but wouldn't mind having the "High-end" system. :)
if someone was actually there , u can place ur opinion on the sound , if u just watched the video , u have no real opinion
So many comments about how much microphone/recording quality makes all the difference, but just forget all that and listen - the difference between live and the speakers is incredibly obvious... through equally good/bad/fair recording equipment. It's an A|B test and those factors stay the same, so it's quite an interesting comparison.
Even the best speaker or system in the world can't match live side by side comparison in that size of a room. The room needs to be smaller or needed more amp power. imo
Luiz Da Silva what about if they use those daft massive JBL speakers 🔊?!
I really like this tune. It reminds me of something I'd hear on an old Pink Panther episode, or some other old cartoon.
crash bandicoot? :D
Yes! Very much like Crash! :P
elevator music.
crash bandicoot precisely
Pink Panther is EXACTLY what I thought of too.
Nothing beats live musicians because it's not just the music but the movement, the facial expression, the human connection, the whole package that a hifi stereo system can never give.
Otherwise that speaker system is out of reach of normal people anyways, cost-wise.
Live and recorded sound will never be the same. But for the people who likes audio electronics, the most important factor is to find out which system reproduce that recorded sound more closer to the actual event. This is the excitement of this interesting hobby.
And the Isophon Berlina got completely merked!
But then you wouldn't expect otherwise. High End loudspeaker technology has come a long way and we're closer than ever before to bringing the sound of a live event to a listeners living room. The sound of some modern high end audio systems is frankly stunning, but the live event cannot be matched currently.
Credit to Isophon for putting their product forward for such an experience.
MORE COWBELL!
+Kenneth Anderson LOOOL
+Kenneth Anderson Lol
+Kenneth Anderson Lol
Really explore the studio space!
HereHere more is better
The playback on the system was at a much lower volume. It also sounded compressed. Terrible comparison.
It's impossible to make speakers as good as real. I cranked the volume a bit and the treble by 7db and it sounded nearly the same and the (compression) I got used to it quite quickly with the 7db extra treble. It's an impossible comparison cos with the system you are recording a doubling up of the room acoustics (fail) so that may explain the drop in high frequencies. And with the speakers the sound is from different source positions than the instrument positions in the room (explains the failed imaging that sounds like compression). I hope this helps, from a speaker building enthusiast.
So called hi end cand make the 130db peaks that the drums can.
This video reemphasizes the fact that what we here in our personal listening-room is NOT what was played in the recording venue, but how the reproduction team (recording engineer, editing team) interpreted the original scene and how they envisaged the reproduction should sound like.
Who says TH-cam is not for understanding sound/finding out the difference between two systems?
In this video even on my entry mid-level notebook+entry level headphone the difference is stark.
Remember, that factors that affect sound quality comes in the recording and post production process (mixing,mastering etc). Most likely, the speakers are already overkill in terms of quality. Do also note the audio in the video is being recorded using the camera mic, which do have quality differences, moreover the speakers are far away from the camera mic, therefore causing extra reflections and muddy bass buildup, and high end and low end also diminishes due to the proximity effect. During the performance section the audio being played in the video is most likely some form of recorded and mixed track, or maybe the stage monitors are nearby the camera.
Honestly if you want good sound you need a good sounding room and studio monitors. That's a better solution than using trendy audiophile setups, because the studio monitors are what most of the producer is listening to while making their song, moreover they have a flat frequency response, unless you want some colour. Maybe most audiophile speakers are flat. (It should be)
Just my opinion, at least.
Thanks for your observation)
I noticed that too)) this test is invalid, so to speak!
At first I thought there was a microphone for each instrument, but there only seem to be 2 stereo microphones in the middle! They could have used exactly this recording for the loudspeakers and for the band a second one from the listener's point of view! Because you should always start from this point of view!!!
This is a nonsensical comparison. If you want to make us (and yourself) think about the difference between real and recorded (played back) music, and use TH-cam as a test, then here's the way to go:
1. Cut your 9-minute performance into 36 pieces, 15 seconds each.
2. Randomly attribute each of the 36 pieces to either the live performance or your recorded performance (played back through the 'hi-end system'). For instance, you might want to attribute:
- segment 1 to the live performance
- segment 2 to the recorded performance
- segment 3 to the recorded performance
- segment 4 to the live performance
- segment 5 to the recorded performance
and so on.
Use a pair of dice or a coin for the attribution.
3. Create an AV-file of your original performance, maintaining the video, but replacing the original audio with a sequence of 15-second audio fragments according to the order established in step 2. Insert three seconds of 'blank' AV to separate the fragments, in order to avoid direct comparisons and have us listen at the top of our aural ability..
4. Upload that AV-file to TH-cam, NOT telling us which fragment is "live" (recorded from your live performance) and with is "recorded" (played back through the hi-end system). Let your audience guess for each of the fragments which is which.
5. After three months, reveal the solution. Be prepared to accept whatever the outcome is. Remember that the guess level is at 50%, meaning that any deaf listener will attribute 18 out of the 36 fragments correctly, just by chance.
6. Know the limitations of that experiment. You are *not* comparing live to recorded performances, but *a recording and TH-cam playback* of a live recordeing to a recording of a recorded performance. That puts a limit to your ecological validity.
Your proposal would be like taking a sip of pepsi, then a sip of coke, then a sip of pepsi, then a sip of coke, etc. After several sips nobody would be able to tell. I think you can hear a difference even on youtube, but I don't claim scientific authority. Listen before you buy! "I'll take the band, please. Could you gift-wrap that?"
No matter how much was expensive audio equipment, they will never be able to replicate the live sound. She can only infinitely close to him. For it is the law of the audio path.
Maksim Rozhdestvin
No strange - even position of speakers in that hall is different. But I'd say there may be "natural" differences and annoying artificial differences. Sense of hearing can recognize sound as equal to original or damaged even if they vary,.
How much would you beat I can blind-test recognize the live vs audio-system ? ;-)
The band is harder to stuff into your living room. They also need feeding and toilet breaks. They are a right pain in the ass.
That would have been really cool to experience live!!
live music is still 1000x better sounding.
Eddie cause you aren't listening through cheap desktop speakers
Eddie You’re exaggerating a hundred million times. Ha!
I don't agree, it's case by case dependent on a lot of factors. I've had plenty of experiences were live music was much worse than my open back headphones or home stereo system.
The speaker leak power
Zoë Lkjsdhf that’s a foolish claim. Live is 100% accurate the best a reproduction can be is 100% not 110....
Never knew that my headphones sounds like hi-end system.
Nothing can beat live performance, but you can't have live band in your room.
Orchestra: Briliant, awesome, amazing! Speaker: Poor, weak, distorted, compressed, colored, boxed, etc. etc.
You're literally smoking meth with this comment
The first GLARINGLY OBVIOUS thing is the huge volume difference between the live performance and the recorded one. You have to turn the volume of your speakers way up to match the volume of live performance !
The band played much louder, so it gives the impression that it sounds better. Volume leveling would be very important to do an adequate side-by-side comparison, unless the speakers just could not play that loud. If you open two windows with this video, you can adjust the volume between the two and get them to an approximately equal level. If you do this, the speakers actually compare reasonably well for listening with TH-cam's compressed digital sound.
Why the drop in general sound level, it would help to play it back at the same level. I noticed a drop in top end intensity, and I added 7 db treble and it sounded like the same, but not the same stereo image. That's cos it's coming from different sources, the instrument positions and then the speaker positions. And another reason this idea fails (a bit) is that you are getting a doubling up of the acoustic characteristics of the room. So that makes the comparison an impossibility if you want to be really accurate.
I with closed eyes and even through speakers of the laptop accurately define when a live sound and when record. The sound becomes flat
But you never heard a live band, the whole thing is a recording.
Which one is live ? LOL
The flat one?
Unless you are at a live show you cant hear live, Stupid.
sound differs when you are in different positions
Saed Abumokh yes like sitting at home watching a youtube video confuses people and they dont seem to realize that they only hear a recording and its coming through their speakers. The point is you cant jude "live" because this is not live.
Thank god live is better :) it would be a sad world without people at concerts.
to anyone or everyone listening to this, the difference between the live and speakers were deff very obvious, even from the first few notes.. but i believe the point of the demo was to show how well these speakers can actually produce the sounds of the instruments and actually comparing it straight head to head.. and the speakers were quite amazingly close if i may say.
The issue here is itts to dependent on the recording system, mic placement etc. to many variables. The system could be great and well tuned although having this kind of system in a large room like this is also not how a high end system should be setup. Allot of work and not much of a point to it.
sound great on my jbl 4410's. that being said we could only know how those high end speakers really sounded only if they were sitting in our listening room duh.....
Ready get set Jam right? Them speakers sound great on my system, not sure what everyone else is hearing, was a little quieter at first, turned it up a bit and wow. If they synched the band video with the speaker sound I think that would have been interesting psychologically.
Percussion band vs Hi-End System playing mp3)
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I went to the CES in the 90's in Orlando. In the hotel, they were playing a grand piano. I heard it in the hallway as I passed by. Stopped in to listen, and in the middle of the room was the grand piano, but nobody was playing it and it was not a player piano. One of the few times a speaker was good enough to convince me it wasn't a speaker. Don't remember the brand now, but one was sitting on either side of the piano. I do remember it was way out of my budget. Most speakers you can tell right away it's a speaker and not a piano. I was amazed to be fooled by it.
I have 2 critics here:
1. You can have high end output system, BUT if the recording, mixing, and mastering are awful its will sounds bad at all
2. The speakers placement not in sweet spot
You can hear too much echo here, from the recording and from the room it self
i agree with both critiques.
To my amazement I can hear the difference as clear as night and day. The live band has much better dynamics, speed, and wider frequency range. They just sound live and the speakers sound like a transistor radio. I would not have thought that would be possible over TH-cam and through my computer into 50 w amp and bookshelf speakers but it is pretty obvious to me. Initial thoughts are sound difference would be limited by the quality of the encoding and my simple set up but I was wrong. Can anyone else hear the difference? Many things in audio that we think are not possible seem to become a possibility when you actual try them out and have an open mind to listen to what is so
Nothing can be as good as live performance. Poor marketing move...
davidus18 yes but try putting all those musicians in your living room whenever you desire to hear music.
You are definitely right. But as I understand the main goal of this video is to compare a particular sound system to live performance. Comparison consists many relatives and the method of comparing is not the best possible (may be available). So there is no talking about what is suitable for your living room - live orchestra or sound system. I wish I get rich enough that I can afford live performance in my living room whenever I desire to hear music))
davidus18 even the richest people understand there are limits so that is why they own some of the most expensive hi fi components money can buy.
If you will notice the glass between the hall and the camera when the percussion instruments are playing, the reflection is vibrating to the SPL. When the Loudspeakers are playing the SPL doesn't move the glass. Obviously at the least there isn't enough power to the speakers as well as not enough square feet to the woofers/subwoofers (subs being non existent in the video).
The funny thing is, that for the audience the speakers likely sounded BETTER than the real band, if they were playing without amplification of any kind. The real band will have sounded a bit "washed out" because the bass frequencies of the instruments will not carry out all that far in to a hall of this size. The speakers will likely produce more volume and bass than the actual band, making them sound better. On this video however, we are hearing a close miked direct recording of the instruments VS a recording of a playback thru the speakers with microphones at a larger distance. This will always sound worse, no matter how great the system sounds in reality.
the bottom line is in certain areas of life, technology > people
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I'd say it's not precise. What is actually definition of hi-end? I see that for 90% customers stuff enormous big and expensive. But should be rather enormous good sounding. Then what is good sound? It is identical to reality. This one sounds more pleasant which means for this category its not hi end . Sure few drivers in long line cannot make the same impression as realtively small point source like vibs or percussion. Phases will be mixed too much - I pointed at phases in my vid's "Shoulod we worry about phase distortion in speakers".. Anyway it's interesting and valuable demonstration.
The close Mic has a profound effect. The ballroom ceiling mixes also sound incredible when they mix them with the individual channels on different filters. Like a close mic on a guitar with a crossover to use pickups above 500hz. I have an all-Klipsch RF7 system that I prefer to any live performance for that reason.
Can't Disaggree with what your saying at all. But there is absolutely no speaker(I belive) that can reproduce the exact sounds that each insturment is playing at the same time. Each insturment has its own size and charteristic and playing its one thing. while a speaker is trying to reproduce everything at once over 2 or three speakers( Low/Mid/High) Hearing it live will always have a "Better" sound then a speaker can reproduce.. Then again It comes down to your prefrence of what you like.. as all audio in the end comes down to.
I dont know how you get to that nonsense.
The dynamics and natural clarity of the real thing always goes over the reproduction.
Nothing to do with artificial specs
the song is Jazz Variants by O-Zone Percussion Group
The real band sound much better than that Hi-end system... the sound of the band is more clear, those speakers sound good at high frecuencys but in med and lows sound opaque
Yes, we call it boxy sound
no sounds very clear not opaque i am impressed but it would want to be great $200000 plus i believe
Exactly!!
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Live recording was recorded from particular microphones of instruments.
Replay record was recorded from stereo microphone from that video camera set. Lol.
A Live Event in your home is finely here
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Lol i think it sounds pretty darn good but my opinion and everyone elses opinion is trivial because we are watching a video on youtube, and listening on speakers that most likely cost 100th or 1000th less than that stereo setup. So sure, it doesnt sound as good but i better it sounds pretty damn close if we were live.
+e james another issue is the tweeter which should be at ear level isnt even close to that of the camera that recorded this
It's a pity, the first live part has some errors at 1:22 to 1:24 but they do not appear at the same time on the "not modified version" afterwards. Just listen for yourself at 9:58 to 10:00 the xylophone has no disharmony. The second recording is exactly the same as on the Manger test CD "Musik von einem anderen Stern". This recording, track 14 from O Zone Percussion Group, is one of the better once in Hifi, so no surprise, that it sound better than live...
Great video the sound is great all the comments i read missed the obvious the recording equipment is something else and the sound quality is greatly dependent on your playback equipment and of course the microphone quality great video thought it was a pretty brilliant percussion band thanks for sending...
You are absolutely correct my friend.
It's like a photographer with a 2 megapixels camera trying to captures all the details of his beautiful model.
It's about quality equipments!
=D
Thankyou so glad you agree ...
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I witnessed a live demo of Acoustic Research AR-3's vs the Fine Arts String Quartet. I sat 20 ft away and couldn't tell the difference between them!
Percussion band win! No Hi-End feel when compare!
This is the kind of video which has made me a youTube addict.
Comparing the real humans playing the real instruments and the good sound of the high end Home theater or audiophile speakers if that's what you call that, the sound of the two sounds different. The speakers can't be compared to the real sound of the humans playing the real musical instruments. Yes the same music is used when it was played in the speakers but listening to the speakers the sound quality went down. Its OBVIOUS IN THE MID HIGH AND BASS. The Humans make the music sound alive while the speakers make the sound quality less. You can here the difference even if you are only listening using your speakers, what more if you are there listening in front of them.
Total win for live music.... however that's one seriously kick ass system in a very large room. Enjoying the music is the real win here.
Моя акустическая система справилась и с музыкантами, и с акустической системой на сцене.
I believe this was a demo done by Isophon to demo their Berlina RC11 speakers. A few points, I don't think it's meant for online comparison as the crowd who were there will be able to compare live vs recorded replay by RC11. While we are all here listening to recorded live vs recorded replay. In addition, I wish I was there because Isophon will not be stupid enough to put their speakers under scrutiny if it doesn't do well. Nonetheless, live is live, live is always 'perfect' or the baseline. Audio system will try it best to replicate 'live' environment. I just don't get it why would people questions all this thing and comparison, youtube is recorded video from the internet.
Do you guy ever notice the played back is L/R opposite?!
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not for me.
nope, maybe your speakers/headphones' L/R are interchanged
You’ve got good ears, you’re absolutely right, it’s reversed. Probably happened in the making of this clip.
While the separation and imaging is extremely accurate the tonality is slightly different. It is less dynamic. Given the price of a ticket to a live event and the price of this system I'll go to the live performance and enjoy many other options. Percussion is likely the most difficult to get right in a loud speaker. It may be that it comes down to the capability of the recording equipment to the exact tonal qualities rather than the speakers too (mics, digital recorder, engineer, monitors used in the studio). Plus the other associated equipment used in the chain can influence the sound too. Amplifiers have their own signature, so perhaps we are hearing some influence from them or the playback source.
The band has much better dunamic range... the speakers are lost harsh and confused. Compair the start of the band to the speakers. Band wins hands down.
Yes, its uncoparable, simply because of how stage acoustics vs. listening room acoustic works.
No its comparable because there is no live performance. HELLO HELLO they are both recordings. You do not hear live ANYTHING on youtube. period. The way it works is: Live means that you are there. Its confusing for people because they think they hear what they see. You dont. You dont even see what you see. If you see it then go get up on stage. Doh! I wanna get me one a them Tay Vay sets foe the livin rome
to sing like real instruments in a hall you need HUGE woofers and HUGE dynamic range with efficient speakers, not some puny woofers in a slim pretty box
+eug3nius Perhaps in a huge hall of that size, but in a normal home, smaller woofers, lower efficiency and smaller cabinet size can still achieve the desired goals. I just bought a pair of Magico S5 Mk2 speakers which are rated at 89db @4ohms, however they are highly dynamic speakers due to the speed, accuracy, control and resolution of their new drivers. Also the excursion rate of the voice coil for the bass drivers is measured at 15mm linear movement & produces clean and undistorted SPL's up to 120db @50Hz/1 meter. Also, when measuring the size of bass drivers, consider that two 250mm (10in) bass drivers per enclosure is equivalent to a 370mm (14.5in) unit.
+Bodhi Sattva (Bodhisattva)
High excursion kills dynamics, compromises linearity and adds compression. It's a way to get high SPL from a small box, not a way to increase SQ.
My point is, it's logical to use at least 4 subs for bass and keep the sound from the midbass up as high eff as you can to decrease excursion, ideally over 95dB. If you can keep it open baffle as well, even better, but that implies a dedicated room. Which you should have if you buy ultra expensive speakers and you care about SQ not bragging rights.
For that kind of money I want a system that doesn't exceed 1mm of excursion at the same SPL. Go listen to a high eff speaker, it doesn't have to be a huge horn system, something like the Horning Agalme (Zigma optional) or a Legacy V is quite ok, then tell me about accuracy. :)
+Bodhi Sattva (Bodhisattva) Yeah but the room they are in, in the video, isn't a normal home. So its not a good comparison. i'd love them to test percussion band against some top notch JBL PA speakers (SRX 8 series or whatever was the biggest).
+eug3nius I understand the thrust of what your'e saying, however it should be noted high efficiency speakers such as horns, or hybrid horns have their pro's & con's, just as dynamic speakers do. Once you get up to cost-no-object speakers like the Magico Q7 Mk2 which are 94db, you can have your cake and eat it too.
Just out of interest, have you heard a pair of Magico S5's or Q3's? Well the S5 Mk2 (89db) is better than both of those models by a large margin. Magico use extremely light and stiff cone materials (diamond-coated Beryllium, graphene & aluminium/graphene), sophisticated motor systems & massive, high grade magnets to achieve very high flux density which increases speed and lowers distortion substantially. Combined with their extremely rigid, alu cabinets & damped copper O-ring mounting, I can assure you as an owner their design doesn't kill dynamics or linearity. Fyi the S5's had the lowest THD ever measured by the National Research Council of Canada (NRC) when they were lab tested back in 2013.
Re: Subs, i'm generally not a fan due to the difficultly in achieving truly coherent sound. I have a friend who stuffed around for years trying to integrate subs with his hybrid horn speakers & was never completely happy with the results. But I do like the Wilson Benesch Torus Infrasonic generator. Legacy make some good value speakers, but the Legacy V's are notoriously difficult to setup.
+lazygamerz Few loudspeaker systems are really capable of filling a room that size & getting a good sound stage/image. But this is certainly one of them! - www.whatsbestforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5128&d=1346026003
I really like this song and great for auditioning sound system because of the dynamic range in this song from pianissimo into fortissimo.
this sounds the same as my desktop PC speakers
because you listen to it on your desktop pc speakers :D
@@karl9479 Hence this is a pointless comparison. The processes the audio went through from that recording to coming out of my speakers is probably not the best thing for audio... And both came out of my speakers, through my amp, from by my DAC, reconstituted from lossy compressed audio, so... Too many changes to be a perfect and fair test.
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when 0:37 - 0:45 the live performance got mistakes.. but when come to the speaker.. it sounds perfect.. at 9:09 - 9:15.. is this the extra feature of this hi end system?
haha, indeed! :)
Theese speakers seems to play in such a "high end" league, that the speakers themselves heard the bandmembers mistakes, and corrected them upon replay.
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 Exactly!!!!!!!!!!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 Very nice music feeling! 😘😘
The weird irony of this is that we are watching this in a digital format. And in You Tube. So compression is inevitable
Great comparison. The live recording was brilliant. Sadly the speakers sounded okay but veiled and not as clear or dynamic as the live recording.
It's kind of hard to judge. The percussion band is slightly louder in terms of the drums, and the tambourines on the live band came through crisper. I think the speakers were working quite hard to fill the bigger room so it may have sounded more dynamic at home.
As both are coming through on a substandard microphone, converted to youtube audio and played back through my DJ speakers it's even harder to guess.
Needs more cowbell
This is brilliant sound reproduction on my FOCAL Maestro Utopia Evo. Ignore the Video, Just the Audio.
Нету такой аппаратуры в мире,которая бы передавало точный звук инструментов.Живой звук есть живой,цифровой это уже другая история.
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If this video is not fake, this can probably be the most accurate reproduction of live music that an high end system can do. Absolutely amazing. It has (almost) everything, including the timbre!
Big difference the music with the speakers doesn't sound best
+Michael Larsen Those set ups are meant for home use.
These are not ordinary home high-end loudspeakers.
They are ultra high-end speakers costing 150 000 Euro.
I think the difference is in the room acoustics. The speakers reproduces the reverberation from the recorded room being recorded. If the test with the speakers had been done on a different room it would had had different results.
Sorry if my english is not perfect.
150,000 Euros? Really? .by the looks of the drivers & this so-called performance.. I'd say they aren't worth nearly that money.....this comparison probably could have been much much closer with a nice pair of JBL 4350s...these baby drivers in this obscenely overpriced POS speakers are pure snake-like drivel, & this comparison proves it...
Surely the recording was made in that very room while you were watching?
Use MAGNEPAN MAGNEPLANAR SPEAKERS! Correct large footprint at low pressure mimics an orchestra accurately. These are the large flat (thin front to back) speakers.
Can anyone tell me the name of this wonderful percussion band? Thanks to anyone who responds...
jazz variants from o-zone percussion
James Loh Thanks James I appreciate the time & info!
The sound quality picked up by the mics while playing live sounds great !
However the recorded playback soundstage image left / right is reversed !
Conventional high end systems still sounds soggy with veil & blunted transcients
On our advanced playback system the live performance is without veil or blunted transcient
No soggy sound too
Its sounds live like
There is no information regarding the recording techniques, it looks very unfair to me, the instruments appear to be miked up individually, taking great care to get a good quality recording, I have no idea how the speakers were recorded, you would have to be there to hear the real difference, if we could hear a sound track recorded from the center of the hall,as this test was being done, although it would not be the best recording, it would be more representative of the true difference as the audience would hear it.
Ken Sabbarton spotted the delusional audiophile..
This still sounds amazing on my Bose QC 35 II's
Ансамбль реально круто записан!
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I blame the mics, sound staging and overall editing. These speakers could sound the same with the right editing and placement of speakers. Another thing to note is the sound is echoing twice with the speakers as it is recorded as we hear it then sent through the speakers with the echo to echo in the room again. So yes, it sounds different but that's not to say it cant sound the same. Sound is sound. A musical instrument and loudspeaker can produce the same sound, identical sound in fact, it just takes the right sound engineering.
In a way they cannot. The instrument emanates sound from multiple sides and at varying volumes and frequency responses due to the human next to it etc. This is hard to do in a speaker, especially one with forward facing drivers, treble from a singular point which rolls off a lot when you are at the rear of the speaker. One of the reasons people like omni speakers is due to the polar response. It brings more of the listener's room into the sound however. Compromises!
Of course the real band sounds better, but, because its badly recorded. If you record it in this huge room with echo and reverberation, and play it again in same room, what do you think will come from it? A muddy mess. The speakers are actually handling it and sound amazing, you idiots saying they are bad should listen it for real.
This is a promotion for the speakers. Of course the recording is good. Why should isophon/ gauder let their speakers sound bad? That doesn't make any sense. A speaker never sounds as good as the original. Not even close.
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I can hear the difference through my TV speakers.
I think a pair of Tannoy Westminsters might just tear those white towers to bits.
The thing is you can only reproduce audio so accurately. People bashing on the speakers need to realize that the chaotic effect applied to sound is almost impossible if not actually impossible to reproduce in a room like this and with the instruments' placement.
Totally agree. 100% fedelity does not exists and maybe thats the reason so many audiophiles are sad ;) (kidding of course). After 15 years chenging components i returned to the point that music reproduction must be an emotional (musical) one and not only about fedelity :/.
This reminds me of the 2015 Phuket Jazz Festival when an all bongo band jammed for 30 minutes, after 5 minutes I went to get something to eat! A much better way of doing this is for the percussion group to play for 5 minutes, then play the audio system, both behind a sheer curtain. If they used Mattes SSP 200 amps the audio system would definitely sound better!
Lo-End System VS percussion band.....please change the title!
were you there? Cuz you were listening to it all on YOUR system stupid.
+jordanjcm jordan Human ears are superior to notice the differences regardless when comparing two sound using the same system. Nothing can match the real band.. its just like comparing resolution of high end videocam with what your eyes can see.. even with todays' standard with retina display and cinema vidcam still out-match what human eyes can see.
The problem here is the quality of the gear capturing the show therefore "digitalised" audio (which degrades the real band) degrades even more as it is captured by the video recorder we see here. You know what I mean.
No need to be so defensive.
Oh sorry I figured it was live vs recording and Im stupid I really didnt think the percussion band was actually live I was under the impression that it was a video showing that. In fact I agree. You really never need to go to a concert to hear live music. As long as you can see the band, be it in concert hall or on your monitor there actually is not difference. Unless you dont have much of an ear for music. I also watched a youtube vid showing two hi res giant monitors and one of them was so incredible I felt like I was at the park that was on the one monitor. it was awsome. plus the monitor i watched on is this big ol fat black and white one but it realy does not matter. its a good trick though. If you want your speakers to sound like the best speaker in the world just go to that speakers site the guy will play anything you want and then slam it through his top end everthing including mics and upload it for you. that way when you listen to it ya basically turn your speakers into his. but it cant just be a recording you have to see the speakers . it tells your brain that you can hear those speakerss. Otherwise your not gonna be overwhelmed with the sound.
I'm sorry to all audiophiles, but there is no Hi-Fi or Hi-Res audio on TH-cam, the maximum stream quality is 128 kbps. It's a waste of time :(
The live performance sound is WAY more rich, and you can't compare speakers to live performance. Also I dont think that these are good speakers, because their cones are all made of plastic, missing the carton ones, what makes speakers sound softer, and more "bucket'y"
Yet, this speakers adverts as "hi-end", whatever material used and sound quality is, it will overpriced and overhyped as hell...
+babusiaN1 they cones of the berlina rc11 aren't made of plastic. These speakers have ceramic for the bassdrivers and pure diamond for the mid-highrange drivers. Get your facts straight right. You can't judge based on a youtubevideo.
Yeah, lets make it from diamonds and gold, they will sound definately better.
ceramic and diamond are very stiff and light materials and therefore excellent at reproducing sound accurately.
I myself tested these speakers in Munich and they are ofsublime quality. I don't know what went wrong at this charity concert but I can say that with a high quality recording and adjusted room they'll sound very close to the real thing.
I dont think it matters that much, it's the surface lightness and the surface shape itself, the hardness does not do very much. Ofc, unless it's made out of feathers. Then goes driver capabilities, box design, and crossovers.
Lets make pure gold cables, the sound will be better than copper ones, because gold, its one of the most conductive metals. And it doesn't oxidize.
Live is superior. But SOTA DSP as from the BACCH SP could do wonders for improving the rather lackluster playback heard here. There are also so many unanswered questions as to the mic’ing involved here etc.
когда в живую играют - лучше звук и атмосфера, чем из колонок
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You can't get higher quality than the real thing so it would be very interesting to have seen this live.
Those are microphones correct? Why are they there? So they capture the sound of the instruments and where does it go? Through speakers?... If not, why are they there?.... Those woofers are also VERY weak... It seems more like when they switch to only the speakers then the mics recorded the instruments? This could all go down to mics, dacs, amps, and where the music came from. I have 0 clue as to what is going on.
+Cameron ZY "This could all go down to mics, dacs, amps, and where the music came from. I have 0 clue as to what is going on."
You seem to have no clue about a lot of things. If you want to blame the difference in DAC's then you're truely clueless...
vinny142 I'm not blaming a single thing in specific. I brought up a DAC meaning the one used to give signal to the amp that feeds the speakers may not be top of the line or the microphones, the speakers could just be bad. Mics recorded the live performance and fed into three more things that can degrade audio quality.
whats going on is you may all be morons. You are not hearing the speakers you see on your monitor. you hear YOUR OWN speakers. what is wrong with people? unless you are in that room in the video then you cant hear those speaker. why is EVERYONE judging speakers that nobody has actually heard? LOL sure you will hear that one is differnt from the other but no matter what you may think you are listening to your own speakers NOT the ones in the vid. OMG this is all a joke im sure. Next im going to find people talking about the high resolution of a monitor they just watched on their pc. The guy with the black and white monitor will say "I just watched this youtube vid and that monitor is not worth that kind of money. its cant even produce color. I watched it 10 times and it looked like every other monitor ive been checking out online.
jordanjcm jordan This is a video comparing speakers to a live performance. With even decent headphones you can hear a difference and especially with a clean DAC and amplifier.
Yes its comparing the two so like i said you can tell there is a differnce. Its the fact that people are basically arguing about a "high end sytem" but neither knows what the other guys is listening to as though that doesnt exist. lets just say that was the worlds best system without any doubt, If you and another gentlemen are disagreeing about what you were disagreeing about you are basically saying that the recording of it played through your system (unknown) and the other guys system (unknown) is irrelevant. I mean how far do i have to go to make this obvious. This might help. If you had your system in that room on the vid and a guy with an old radio shack woofer not even in a box was saying that sounds like shit. Im betting then you would see the absurdity in judging the sound of a system you have never heard. ever. There would be one thing you would blame for the guy calling the sound shit and that is : He has never heard the system any more then you have heard the one in the vid. you have both heard the recording of what is on the vid played through your speakers. Now i gotta go cuz im watching a vid right now on my old big ol fat tan monitor and its about the worlds highest resolution tv, so i gotta let them know the picture quality is shit. (im just adding this. I really didnt mean to come across as some complete jerk cuz i really believe that you guys have great systems so ended up over looking the fact that that you were not hearing the exact same thing)
So many variables. I'm using Bluetooth headphones and the only thing that stood out was that there was more bass and a uniformity of decay no matter what the original sounded like. Sometimes that seemed better a few notes in the beginning stood out as exaggerated. I have spent a little over a decade setting up concerts with gigantic line arrays all the way through to rooms very similar to this. I bet both sounded really good but I'm favouring the live in this room like everyone else likely is. Cool video concept.
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Abdul, this piece called Jazz Variants is from percusion group Ozone.. You can get this particular piece from the Manger CD/LP or if you want to get the enitre album by this group, its on a Clearaudio recording.
бред, никакая аппартура не выдаст настоящего звука в сравнении с оркестром даже идентично не получится, на уровне ощущений любой хай енд сольет натсоящему оркестру
звуки усилить сейчас не проблема, а вот локализовать точно 8 человек на сцене это уже нереально. Оценить можно только находясь в одном зале с выступающими и аппаратурой.
Двойной слепой тест в помощь.
По верхам вроде не сильно отличается а вот середина и низ явно глуховт звук. даже нашники это передают. У оркестра "звуквая сцена" живее.
this is an astonishing review/ the high-end clarity is missing in the intro , might have ben harder to tell if the opening intro was turned up a-little louder with the speakers. but as it went on it became a sense of the same overall projection of the real thing. long story short maybe it just needed a couple of KLIPSCHORNS added to it, try that then do the same demo with just 1-pair of the famous limited edition CONCERTO 901'sBose
+Perry Fowler > all feedback welcome
Live is better!
My iPhone factory headphones vote live the winner, for all the reasons noted. Also by upping volume by 50% there was big improvement.
what's the song?
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