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- Programmers are weird. It is human nature to put people into a box with stereotypes and the tech industry is no exception. Let's take a look at 10 common stereotypes people use for software engineers and developers fireship.io/pro
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i would have if you had included the cute femboy with programmer socks stereotype
My name
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You forgot orangutans at start
Now that's some good content
I don't think I fall into one of those. I'm an impostor syndrome programmer who always thinks I'm an impostor except when my code works
Same
Yeeh same .
0:20 99% accurate 12% of the time
I didn't even get a degree in CompSci, and this is so "me" it hurts.
But that time when none of the devs could figure out CSS?
*cracks knuckle*
"Alright, you chuckle-f***s, LISTEN UP!"
Sus
All of those stereotypes have in common that they have to fix the family printer once in a while which leads other family members to think they have transcended and are no longer a mortal human being.
i mean i used to pride myself on being the tech guy in my house, but now i know that i know nothing since i am 15 and there are way more talented people out there than me
Dude shut up... I was once asked to fix an oven because "it has a display so its tech and you're a programmer therefore its your job"
@@dhruvakhera5011 that mightbe true but keep in mind that there are a lot of people who are way dumber as well.
😂😂😂😂😂
The "this appliance has a display so you should probably able yo fix it because you're a programmer" fits the bill, LMAO
I'm a woman who codes, who's sadly a goddamn minimalist. The least tech I have the better and I'm extremely suspicious of everything. I honestly think I got into this not because I like it but because I want to know everything I can to... Idk... Protect myself 😅
That’s a good thing lol t the end of the day the only ones in this list who win are the 10x, minimalist and lazy programmer
@@Darkcamera45 don't know how this is true but I'm glad to hear I'll make it as a minimalist
I'm also a minimalist, a bit because of suspicion, but mostly because i don't see the need to automate the living shit out of my house for things that would take 5 seconds for me to do 😕
I worked with a guy who was so minimalist he didn't have a smartphone. He's also one of the lead Android OS developers in Europe.
@@Turalcarhe knows something we do not
Old Jaded Guy here. I still remember the hex codes for many Z80 instructions. I thought that was a completely useless skill, but I now re-purpose them for passwords.
LoL Senior Citizens
Using Z80, 6502, 68xxx, or x86 hex values for passwords is something...
Great idea!! Thanks. :-) AI might get good at guessing them, though?
" It's weird. They always travel in groups of five. These programmers, there's always a tall skinny white guy, a short skinny Asian guy, fat guy with a ponytail, some guy with crazy facial hair and then an East Indian guy. It's like they trade guys until they all have the right group." - Gavin Belson
Haha😂 that's too accurate🤣
This one travels alone and prefers it that way! People ewww!!! Nasty creatures!
I'm that short skinny asian guy 😂
This show is hilarious
XD
One stereotype you missed is the aspiring game developer.
"Well, I just wanna make an FPS with open world, multiplayer and procedural generation, nothing fancy! Well, yeah, I only started learning unity last month, but how hard can it possibly be?!"
Dunning Kreuger at its best.
I have a degree in gamedev from a prestigious university yet I have never done first person or open world. I did multiplayer by hand once, it requires all players to know their IP addresses and despite specialising in procedural generation I am only good at road networks and large scale natural terrain.
isnt that a brogrammer subgroup?
@@luckylikey9280 No, those are usually teenagers who severely underestimate the amount of effort developing a game requires.
notch moment
@@lenargilmanov7893 Just like Yandere Dev with his spaghetti code lmao
I am the lazy programmer, minus all the success and early retirement.
But I have met a 10x programmer, so I instantly knew that stereotype to be valid. How is it possible one guy can do an entire university project in a few days in week 2, externally, while they were working remotely on a mine site in the middle of the desert. I've never been more jealous felt less competent then when I was in a group with that guy, who only contacted us through discord DMs and was always on the knifes edge of just leaving to finish the group work on his own if he detected for a second one of us wasn't carrying their weight.
You must work at Blizzard lmao
I know the feels.
I worked with a 10x programmer. He was amazing, his C code was super-efficient, easy to read, and he wrote it on the fly, off the top of his head. He was of Scandinavian background, tall, blond and handsome, with a huge gleaming smile like an actor in a toothpaste commercial. But! He was shy, spoke in a high squeaky voice, and giggled a lot. And he lived in the basement of his manager's house (yeah, really - he rented it from his manager). Super-helpful guy, he'd try to patiently explain why he hadn't used the Fast Fourier Transform routine from the library, because his own implementation was 10% faster ... "but of course, *you* should just use the library version" he'd say, without any awkwardness. He was such a nice bloke, but I came close to hanging up my keyboard and walking away from IT ... I felt like a fraud, by comparison.
Man, I was replying with a little novel but I deleted it accidentally ...👹
I think that I understand what you mean. Sometimes it can happen to feel less than a colleague or similar.
That happens when you care much about your work, but people frequently do just the bare minimum to avoid unwanted risks.
As long as you persevere, you will develop many skills, especially in the areas where you have more difficulty.
Those successes can be your fuel, when approaching new stuff and your mind will try to convince you that you're not enough.
After trying many different jobs, I've realised that IT engineering is the field where I'm able to do something useful, and do it well. I like to see that my work can help other people into solving their problems, or doing something better.
In other fields I missed this, it was only a mere task execution.
I don't know if this is a good explanation, but what I'm trying to say is that if you find a purpose in your job, then it's only a matter of time before you will master what you do.
Don't worry, I think it's perfectly normal to have doubts. Perfection leaves no space to improvement. That's why people who think to know everything, ultimately know very little.
Cheers
sounds like a wattpad fantasy story
That's where you try and learn all you can from this guy instead of hanging up your keyboard
"Extroverts like Jobs use these nerds to get super rich"
I haven't laughed so hard in quite a while
It's not funny tbh. It's just the simple truth. Jobs exploited woz, not even used or employed
@@arnavrawat9864 and you see his pic everywhere. I mean wtf. This proves a cheater and a faker will always win in Real life.
@@arnavrawat9864 Woz did not walk away from Apple poor. He got his cut. Woz did not want fame. He was only interested in being knee-deep in tech. They complimented each other
@@corriedebeer799 If Woz was the ceo or even a higher decision maker of the tech company the scene would've been different. Better in all likelihood. The cut isn't enough.
use. this is the verb for object, made this fucking hilarious and sad
You've missed "The Game Developer" - the guy who wanted to be a game developer. They've entered programming with the hope of making the next big MMO (or watever), however it took them 15 years to realize that games aren't made with just programming anymore and it takes usually more than one person to make a game. So they've evolved into a regular programmer that still has their own game engine rolling their entire life.
Oh man, those game maker wannabes are the most pathetic. They haven't written a single if statement and want to make one of the most complex types of software. I really hate them
Well, I can appreciate those people more than the "game developers" that are just clicking buttons in engines.
@@spicynoodle7419 wtf are you saying most people who are coders start from playing games and want to be a game dev , but most of them don't. If you never play games before i don't believe you are a programmer
@@jamalsheriff1928 I do play games but none of the people I know and work with started with a 3D FPS game as a first project. I'm in several beginner channels and am very cynical and elitist - it's hard to not crap on their dreams.
People should start with command line programs, learn some data structures, write a JSON parser, study some vector and matrix maths.
Unity might be easy but software development is a perpetual process of breaking shit. Some day the texture loading might break and without any intuition and knowledge of how an engine works or how to debug issues the noobie will just go somewhere and ask "unity no work, how 2 fix?" - which is 80% of the help requests I see.
Maybe don't undertake a project that usually takes 3-5 years of development by a 300 member team without knowing the ABCs.
This just hurts. I just got a job as a unity game dev. I have always loved video games since childhood. I am learning unity and c# for now and gettingbetter at it. Earlier I use to code in Java. My stereotype is the introvert kind. And yes my dream really is to make greatest/complex games.
There's a 10xer at my company. Dude is also the pianist for a traveling jazz band or something and I've heard him utter a total of 40 words I think. He's insanely fast and simply doesn't write bugs
I hired someone thinking they were an introvert programmer. Turns out they’re a 10X. I rolled out of bed one morning around a week and a half after giving this guy a task. I saw a pull request containing 47 new classes, which turned out to be fully separated application domain interface and presentation layers for an API. Light refactoring my ass! 😂
Congrats to everyone in this comment section declaring themselves the 10x'er. You've found the optimal speedrun strat for informing everyone else you're the codefluencer.
Well said...
Couldn't agree more. 10x'ers are guys who create software everyone else uses.... vue, nuxt, vite, vitesse, parceljs, tailwind, windicss etc.
I can mentor you if you wish.
You seem to have low self esteem, probably because your code isn't well structured or commented.
I will show you how to apply best practice principles on well structured code following the best of breed ISO/IEC standards for the management of code quality.
🤣🤣🤣
@@uwirl4338 I think Scotty Dog was being sarcastic.
Companies should categorise their teams according to these stereotypes, so it would be easier to filter out jobs.
😂😂😂😂
You also have to take into account getting the right group of 5 guys, one tall lanky white guy, one fat guy with a pony tail, one east indian, one short asian, and one guy with crazy facial hair
👌
We need brogrammers with 30 years of Go knowledge
/s
Welcome to our company, Anon! Here’s your diverse team you have to work in! Let’s have a 2 hours long welcoming chatter!
Anon: Thanks, I quit.
I learned javascript by making animations in HTML 5 canvas. Drawing geometry and manipaliting shapes with math like trigonometry. It was just for fun, but now I program hundreds of cutting design for the printing industry I work for. They used to do this manually in Adobe Illustrator and it took days or weeks. I do it in 10 minutes now. Never knew that a hobby like that would actually help me in my career.
You're forgetting the bohemian programmer who ferments vegetables and reads 18th century literature.
I met a 10x-Developer in my company. He knows tons of programming languages very well (including assembly), speaks 3 nornal languages fluently and made 2 master degrees in 2 countries.
He won some coding challenges, where nearly no one finished all tasks and his professor gave his internet name a shoutout during studies, without knowing, that he was that. He has licenses for working on military projects and a flying license. This guy is sick. 😅
damn man wish i was there
Who is this person?
damn
this is not 10x, this is 100x
this dude living every programmer's life
You forgot Imposter Syndrommer, the programmer that actually completes tasks in time but feels like a fraud and thinks that he faked his way into work
what about the dunning kruger effecomer, the one that thinks he is the better than even chad from boston fish school of computer science and frat parties
Thank you! I felt even more outcast when the finished this video.
Imposter syndrome is a meme.
there is someone with imposter syndrome amogus
Finally I am commenting on Fireship, love the sarcasm you give most of the time while explaining situation & yeah you seem to have raised above the normal understanding so you see things coming before they arrive …. Celebrate it 🎉🎉
Very nice. Good stereotypes are such that you cannot escape them, and you can find a category you belong to. Well done.
Omg my stereotype is 100% accurate, it's crazy. As a woman I always felt that I fit into the category of woman. Then seeing the other women in the video just made me see it more clearly. I am also a woman. 😯
You forgot to mention that stereotypical woman programmer is a female
wtf me 2
I think that he truly represented the stereotype type of programmers are not females ..
fun fact: I'm Algerian, 65% of graduates in computer science are females .. and the stereotype here is that men are only good for manual labor jobs LMAO
im not sold, wheres the proof
Im laughing so hard KKKKKKKKKKKK
I like how just being a woman who codes puts me in that category with no consideration of my lifestyle or work procedures 🤣
Yea thats pretty funny. Technically you get to claim 2 steriotypes. The woman coder plus whatever other steriotype fits you best
Woman? what is that? An npm dependency?
But also with a shotgun, apparently 😜
@@hungaro7964 a nuget package
@@hungaro7964 a library written in C
"99% accurate for about 12% of the time" fucking briliant
I smiled throughout this entire video
Excellent job!
99% accuracy,
12% of the time ha ha
The first 10x coder I met was at my high school computer club in ~1989. He advised me to rewrite the hot paths in my BASIC program with inline assembly (actually a thing in Acorn BASIC). I later found out he single handedly ported Linux to the ARM processor architecture as a personal side project whilst at university. It took me about another 4 years to realise he was such an outlier that I might actually be good enough to get a job as a programmer myself after all...
🙃I would like to know what happens to this 10x guy right now.
@@TheXuism Well, he's worth more than 10x the salary since there is no additional cost in management, healthcare, and team coordination to cover this person's efforts. He's either very wealthy or very semi-retired
@@TheXuism he's bill gates
@@RafaelMunizYT he's gill bates
inb4 this guy is Mr. Robot and the guy he's talking about is alter ego, Tim Big
One of my work colleagues is a 10x developer. She is the kindest, most humble engineer I've ever had the pleasure of working with. We have departments of software developers, and then we have Judy. She's her own standalone department that everyone loves and respects.
Yes, but she is a woman programmer so she has to be in that stereotype. You can not be in multiple steretypes at once, that does not compute.
stop the cap
sounds fake
Fake as shit bro
@@wurf5336 why
There's also the self-taught programmer, where you "invent" patterns and code structures for your own work, before realising that they already exist, are quite popular, and that your friends who've done tech studies have known about for years. You both feel smart for figuring those out on your own and feel dumb as you've just re-invented the wheel that everyone else was already using.
Every time, though, you get that lovely dopamine hit when you realise it means you are on the right track - despite having no clear path ;)
Yes! That's how I wrote my first bubble sort algorithm 😂😂
When thinking about how you should structure your dependencies I "invented" layer architecture (the idea of only accessing layers equal to or below the current one). It was literally my first idea of the top of my head. I felt so proud when I found out that thats basically how everyone does things xd.
I'm taking a maths paper at the moment - just found out today that I somehow stumbled backwards into calculus - I essentially invented the idea of a secant because I was too dumb to wrap my head around an exponential equation.
I thought I was being hacky, throwing something half assed together, but no, I just accidentally did calculus....
Jesus that is me 😂😂
I had “old jaded guy” as a professor for my last college semester. Wrote OCAML programs on a school linux server only using the command line because he just didn’t use IDEs or anything of that nature, only vim
Being a Brogrammer i thought this shit hilarious and instantly shared it with all of my colleagues on slack.
In good style, i also went around the open workspace and obnoxiously talked about the video for 45-minutes with our boss whilst my hard-working colleagues just want some peace and quiet.
Nah, too self-aware ;)
and you´re not even called 'Chad'
@@centralbiz5974 he’s called Einstein
ah, the brogrammer
@@centralbiz5974 Chad, John, Max, James or even Kevin... that's the least they could do to pass as a Chad.
I absolutely lost it on the "Old Jaded Guy". My favorite lecturer from university who is like my mentor, is an older guy, with a beard, whose hair is slowly turning white. He predominantly codes in C, never the newer stuff, and one of his courses at university? Lower level programming, in which everyone learns C, and needs to build a compiler for a toy language to compile down to bytecode...
That was scarily accurate...
Edit: Fixed spelling mistake.
But did he make a language at any point?
( the answer is probably yes, everyone has tried that at some point )
@@U20E0
Well there is Terry Davis that tried and succeeded at that
@@archthearchvile HolyC is best language
I mean, I kind of get it. Sometimes I look at web apps and wonder why we're making simple applications go through so many layers of inneficient junk just so people don't have to download something. Most of the internet *should* be able to run on old netbooks but it pretty much doesn't because it's way more complex than it needs to be.
Another you can add to the list is the Failure:
The failure is someone who dreams of developing a big interesting project one day but is stuck in tutorial hell for a few years and they feel they aren't going anywhere.
Great video!
I would have called the "jaded old guy" the "bearded geek" though..... :)
Only uses Unix/Linux/one of the BSDs, lives in the command-line, dreams in bash or assembly, pure coffee in his veins, lives alone and usually introverted but comes alive when meeting other "bearded geeks".
I have a certain amount of those attributes (including being bearded and using Linux and the BSDs) but wouldn't say I'm skilled enough to be called a geek ( I go by the maxim that "you're not a hacker until someone else calls you a hacker" ). That may be the case for "geek" too.
I *am* old enough to have used punched-cards though (in my high-school days).
I came into programming with such an optimistic look on things but one day I ultimately see myself going the way of the minimalist. Just getting a well paying job in software engineering to fund all my non-tech related hobbies I do in my free time.
That's okay, I feel the same. I'm in my first year of college and that has been the hardest thing to accept. It's okay to not like your job, most people don't :))
That happens in almost all professions... Doing something you like for yourself isn't AT ALL the same as doing something you like for a job...
If you invest in something from that money so that you have regular capital you can study what you wanted and do the job you want, but still have money.
The Kaczynski.
Yeah me
I feel like you missed my stereotype. The guy who feels like he has to write his own version of everything, even though it's usually a waste of time and often a ridiculous amount of work for one single programmer. I also have a little bit of the imposter syndrome thing sprinkled in. It has made me a much better programmer though.
oh no that is me, although I will just use a library after the first time. I tell myself it is so I have a better understanding
same, and the fact i mainly use lua definitely doesn't help
@@thego-dev Good luck finding a library in Lua
Sometimes you have to do this for creative and commercial control on a product.
Black boxes can be unreliable and expensive.
same
The lazy programmer one really hit home
Here I am laying on my bed looking at my pc knowing very well that the program I’m busy with could secure my financial freedom
I'm learning programming after I got encouraged by my young brother, who is very much the guy that does 10x things more than your average person.
It amazes me how fast he can understand theoretical and abstract concepts, he sees right through problems and solves them like a wizard.
I fall into the "I think I'm 10x developer, but actually isn't" stereotype
That's the Brogrammer
@@motherlove8366 Its the middle between brogrammer and 10x.
@@lofiandchill6062 listen to Fly Chill by Cráneo. it's Spanish but it's lofi and its chill
@@lofiandchill6062 oh boy that's me 100% 😳
@@lofiandchill6062 yep yep that's 100% me lmao
Missed "the architect". The programmer who thinks he can solve any conceptual problem but he avoids actually writing code and the conceptual solutions are full of problems
I know this guy
Yes! I work with some.
I hate that guy
Old Jaded Guy here. I did write a couple of compilers back in the early 80s using lex & yacc. I doubt anyone uses them any more. Also, I was 10x more productive than some colleagues on a project I worked on, but I think that said more about the 0.1x programmers than it said about me.
good video, I am falling in multiple, 1st while watching this videos I was eating spaghetti (not Ramen) secondly my colleague always come with code problems to me saying I am the best in coding , and I must have the lates tech not the greatest but non the lest the latest, perfect video I really enjoyed it keep the good job.
I definitely fall under the lazy programmer umbrella. I use the computer to automate the computer, so I have more time to do more automation.
What a lovely cycle.
AUTOMATE EVERYTHING!
Wrote that down lol
With Co-pilot... it's super lazy now
why do a manual computer task that takes 30 seconds to do, when you can spend 2 weeks trying to automate it.
Bruh
We have a 10x who is also a brogrammer in my company. It is incredibly annoying for a lazy introvert with a good side of imposter syndrome like myself. He's all chad and slick and at the same time knows his shit and does everything a hundred times better than anyone else.
Damn, I'd be pretty jealous but you have to remember to play to your own virtues too. And as long as you don't make it a competition (say, for attention, money, love, etc.) you'll realize there's plenty of space for everyone and no need to be more jealous than the healthy baseline.
i aspire to be a 10x brogrammer
Thats not the brogrammer or the 10x. Its the One p(unch)-rogrammer, with coding skills that break reality while taking on the work load of 100 heroes, while doing everyday shit.
He literally flow charts an entire banking system while buying groceries and can probably access your router through the power supply. Just become his equivalent King and success will come your way. EF with him and you will soon find that your grandma have joined the army.
everyone starts as imposter, you will do just fine. Just find a team using scrum and you will become a 10x programer in notime.
I wonder if the guy also has imposter syndrome
There have been times when I was a 10x developer, but this was basically a reflection of the poor productivity, skills, and ability to self-test of my peers. Now, I can't keep track of the syntax of the 10x computer languages that I've used for a little bit time because its almost always easier to invent a new language or library than maintain other folks convoluted mess.
Woah that last quote shook my world
Being a floor sweep at a local bakery, I definitely agree 100% with these stereotypes.
Thank you Broccoco, very cool.
Can you share the sweep source code?
You forgot about Ada Lovelace who is considered the first programmer, she worked on the Analytical Engine back in the days with Charles Babbage.
That's an extra bonus for y'all female programmers enjoy.
her achievements are disputed; people believe Charles Babbage, the man who invented the Analytical Engine she wrote the programs for, would be the first to create a program for his own invention. there's also some doubt whether what she did write was, in fact, original, as most of it appeared to be copies of Babbage's unpublished work that she merely published.
@@ChipTheYoshi Please tell me more about how Lovelace didn't write any of the code. Be sure to tell me also that Franklin didn't actually discover the DNA Helix, that Mary Shelley didn't actually write Frankenstein, and that Sally Ride never actually went to space.
@@sbel6626 Yes, because all claims about things achieved by women are the same. They must all be true. It couldn't possibly be the case that one claim is true and another false. It couldn't possibly be true that Emmy Noether was a towering genius and also that Ginger Rogers was not as good a dancer as Fred Astaire. That would imply that such claims are subject to the same scrutiny as any other factual claims, and we can't have that.
I think I am in between the gearhead and the minimalist. I know how bad tech is and that it’s broken but use it anyway 😅 I oftentimes build the tech myself then to be prepared for when we need to rebuild society and are in need of some stable network infrastructure 😁
Chose not to be a programmer because of the stereotypes, yet I still fall into several of these lifestyle descriptions. Nice job.
might as well be one now lol
I am the "frustrated engineer" type. I am always striving for well thought out and designed code. But I am constantly frustrated when this isn't possible because of tight deadlines, a messy codebase or my team mates who just don't care :-)
I feel you, brother.
It's also frustrating to know that sometimes your one of the programmers that produce bad code quality when you find something you wrote a few years ago.
I relate
C'mon, no matter how bad things are around, input + prep + validation + processing + output can always be written well. Just make sure you do not get beyond 6 variables per code unit ;)).
A-freaking-men,mate. 🙌
The rest of my team makes me feel like the 10x developer, until the rare occasion presents itself when I meet a real 10x developer.
I met one once, he was younger than me, and at 24 he was the lead developer at the Australian stock exchange.
Isn’t that because we all get to be a 10x developer once in a while ? Nobody can work 200% all the time… or have I just not met any 10x developer yet ?
@@evam796 As the video suggested, it's not merely about industriousness.
It's outstanding problem-solving skills and expertise. Which allows them to write concise and impeccable code that manages to solve ten times the problems others would manage in the same time.
@@LinkEX No this is obviously a misleading mindset that goes against growth. To me coding is just like any other creative writing profession (e.g. copywriting) and your growth in problem-solving skill mostly comes from domain expertise. k-12 taught all the basic problem-solving skill you needed to become a very productive programmer. Heck, I'm in research these days and the best problem solvers I've known are all theoretical mathematicians and hardly any of them make a productive coder. You see, your statement itself is paradoxical since "solving ten times more problems" and "writing elegant code" come at expense of one another, if someone writes "impeccable" code at 10x productivity, he could be a 20x developer should he chooses to program with minor bugs and casual code styles, and I know most teams, not of a mission-critical nature, would very much prefer that. You just raise the bar to arbitrary level and the only result it would ever achieve is to stop new people from growing. The more likely scenario is we all wanted to be 10x developers when we got started and we prob all been that 10x developer at some point in a team, exactly like eva suggested. For any beginner, words like "outstanding ps skills" and "impeccable codes" is an obvious sign to watch out for, it's the kind of language your brogrammer boss would use in order to keep you a cog in the wheel at 200% while he's getting all the sweet promotion and bonus with all the OKRs and slideshows based off your work.
@@dl662 You think the notion of a "10x developer" hurts the growth mindset? Hmm, I never took it that way - obviously programming is a skill that anyone can grow and refine.
And yes, the "10x" in the "10x developer" _is_ kind of arbitrary.
But the main idea is that, as opposed to say a physical worker, there are people that really _can_ manage to do work in one evening that would take "the average programmer" a whole week. Or that's still cleaner and shorter than the code others would have come up with even after two weeks of refactoring.
They're essentially the Olympic athletes of IT, where talent and dedication meet.
Some people just have a knack for the craft and are good learners. By the time they are active in the job market, they might still be further ahead than seniors with a decade of experience.
Definitely a minimalist. Finished my graduation with a beatass PC that could *almost* run VS. Then got an RGB keyboard for free during upgrading the PC a few years ago, still using that with some of the lights busted and most of the key signs erased but still gets the job done. Watching the new kids flex their 100$ keyboard makes me laugh.
I once briefly lived with an older guy who worked for Oracle since the 90's and your old guy bit is spot fucking on
My mate is a 10X developer. When I first met him I thought he was just another shit talker, but after seeing what he could build and how fast he can do it... When estimating effort we just convert weeks for a normal dev to days for him. He doesn't code much any more though. Mostly does design and architecture, and mentoring the other devs and QA's.
Didn't finish his degree. He works on projects on the weekends usually, and buys weird tech for mad scientist experiments. The most recent one is like 128gb of RAM for some server optimisation shit I don't understand. Some people are just on another level..
Dude sounds like he's living on another plane of existence
@@Immadeus I just think these people started coding straight out of the womb. It's like one of children who played the piano at 6 . There's nothing special about them other than they put it a untold amount of hour , perfecting their craft to its limits.
Doing design, architecture, and mentoring are the most valuable things that your 10x developer can be doing -- especially mentoring. At some point 10x is going to win the lotto, get hit by a bus, or retire. One of the best way to leave a legacy is mentoring.
128gb ram for optimisation .... bruh why the fuck are you optimising if you are buying that much ram already ? lmao
128gb? That's cute. My cluster's currently got 420gb spread across 4gb sticks spread across HP proviant servers spread across redundant networking. Gotta meme it up when you're this introverted
No perfectionists?
The guy who can write high-quality, tidy, efficient codes but is actually the slowest programmer of all.
That was personal 😡
Hello, it's me, can we push the deadline again ?
But then when someone comes and needs to touch it won't have a seizure and it won't need redoing over 5 times so it will save time in the long run.
@@EmptyJarDoto it's all fun and games until they require new version every 5 or so years which breaks the whole thing and the code becomes ugly again.
This is my friend, and im the oppisite. I lay the groundwork, solve all the basic problems and figure out which algorithms to use and then hand it off to my friend who is a living style guide, they say they hate refactoring my code but I think they secretely love the oppurtunity to clean up the code, they often take the time to show me before and after using git.
This is pretty legit lol, but I don't fit into any of that. I am probably a mix of the brogrammer and the lazy programmer. I got into programming from a design background and because of that I am fairly good with communication and am well liked ( I think ) and I put that down as the reason I have climbed the ladder pretty fast despite being pretty lazy.
2:43 Hamilton "leading the team" is very accurate, its actually no sign of her involvement with code that was in production, her first edits were only after mission success and she got promoted without clear reasons
She also coincidentally a wife of some NASA manager
"The silly toy language you're trying to learn". I'm currently learning Python. That line cracked me up.
Plot twist, they created the toy language to toy around with it themselves, because they did't get as much enjoyment out of C++
Rust - it's just inbred C++ with an even clunkier and less intuitive syntax.
It's like someone wanted to make a rival/better language and their starting point was to simply copy C++ entirely, but move some of the bits around to make it less obvious. That's the sort of cheating we used to do at high school back in the day.
@@mxbx307 critisizing the syntax and ignoring every other aspects seems like a fair comparaison
are the rumors true is it actually spacebar sensitive lol
The biggest fun to have in the A+B+C is the C++
There is also the sage embedded system programmer who writes exclusively in C, and if the compiled code is not fast enough he modifies the assembly directly.
He actually does need the improvement of those few clock cycles.
Never heard about scrum or agile, uses single letter variable names.
He also actually understands and uses control theory on a daily basis and could rebuild modern society from scratch in a matter of weeks.
When the need arises he has no problem churning out his own embedded OS.
Designs his own hardware.
His hobbies include eating Z transforms for dinner while casually deriving ohm's law from maxwell's equations.
The only person who he in secret respects is the elusive FPGA developer.
Holy shit, I wanna be that guy
couldn't he be considered a 10x programmer though?
I think it's called an electrical engineer.
That was like my dream and I ended up coding JavaScript :(
That's essentially me.
Last statement is so true that I actally say it in job interviews.
Too long variables names are a little itchy... lol
@@outsidergameing921 could be, but he is usually of the lazy type and takes his time, no need to rush.
Oof I’ve landed somewhere between brogrammer and lazy lol I wasn’t in a frat but I was in the Marines and picked up programming for the career potential and not because it’s my passion. Do what you’re good at or be a starving artist kind of mentality for that decision. It’s turned out pretty well and found an excellent company to work for where I feel welcomed, fit in, and respected without much risk of burn out. Granted I could make more somewhere else but then I’d have to work more lol
I fall somewhere between the Jaded Old Guy (got my degree in the '80s) and the Minimalist. I'm not so much a Lazy Programmer as I am just lazy.
$DAYJOB is C++, but I use C for many of my personal projects. I'm starting to feel like the grizzled old Fortran programmers I knew in the '90s who couldn't understand what the fuss was over "structured programming". These were guys who were unfazed by 120-branch computed GOTOs.
2:11 all is see is a masterpiece of a code
Dude, you missed the Gamer Programmer. That's my cup of tea :D .Even though I'm female I cannot relate to the ones that you have just described. I am kind of an introvert but could easily fit in the brogramer but I decide not to interact with ppl. I rather play games or read or watch anime or learn other stuff. I think you should do a new edition more updates adding more stereotypes. I really enjoy your videos :D Keep the good work!
😁
I've only dipped my toes in Batch and the language iceberg video, another video and then this one has convinced me to not go further and learn martial arts instead, which I already am (kind of)
I had the old jaded guy/(10x developer most likely when he was young) electrical engineering teacher. He knew everything about his own electrical engineering field and he also knew everything about very low level languages like assembly and C because he worked closely with electrical computer hardware stuff. His track record is very huge, he basically teaches for fun and not really for money (basicaly his retirement), he builds machines for fun in his house & he is also a lead singer for an 80s type metal band and he sings like a hawk bird, has long rock & roll spirit metal hair and his son is most likely a 10x developer as he would always talk about him knowing about many languages, and working with very interesting software companies.
I asked him, what language should I learn first and he said C but honestly I've been just tackling Javascript, HTML5 & CSS because I'm more of the introverted lazy programmer type.
My CS professor is the old jaded guy who only codes in C and has been teaching programming for 40 years
what about the prostoner? the programmer whos stoned all the time and writes perfect code and completes a project or report in about 30 minutes then forgets what hes doing for 2 hours zoning up to music and instagram
I like the example of "those who have guns" And it's metaphor at 3:36🤣🤣
I remember when I was young there was fear that it would all be over once the beautiful people started coding. I never fully understood the sentiment, but I think they meant the codeflueancers. To hedge I had to become the mythical 10xer. Someday I hope to transcend to the jaded old guy. Send psychedelics.
Alright, to send you psychedelics I will need all the details on your credit card as well as your full address, legal name.
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Im cracking up. I think as of right now being beautiful generates more money than coding... so we are still safe for some time!
Psychedelics actually help you focus. Hence the micro dosing of LSD at work.
Thanks for mentioning women programmers, although we are a small part of your audience! I'm taking a computer engineering degree and my teachers were pleasantly surprised to see a lot more females joining the tech field! I think it gets more and more common the more digitalized our society becomes. Anyways, great video!!
i hope so.. the most creative solutions and the best communication often comes from the female collegues for some reason
@@webentwicklungmitrobinspan6935 Ja da sollte sich mal was ändern. Die Männerquote in dem Bereich macht meines Erachtens keinen Sinn.
yeah, we are not the majority but we are out there. But in the stereotype chain I would be the lazy programmer hehe extreme savings!
A...A woman...!!
Hahhh. HaHhhhhh, ehhhhhhehh hhhhehh
*heavy nerd breathing*
@@BBWahoo That's another stereotype. In reality they ask if you can find the middle point in an array or else they won't regard you.
Great video!
Fun and true.
I would add the Video Game Programmer.
Is passionate about Game mechanics and has artistic talent to draw and animate.
The category I'm a member of is "Resident of Tutorial Hell" because no matter what language I try to learn, I never think myself good enough to apply for a Junior Dev job anywhere.
Don’t forget about me: the newbie who isn’t very good at programming and just does a little on the side, but somehow manages to duct tape together a functional program
I manage to make a functional program, then fuck it up and forget it existed
Now this
This is accurate
So you are kind of like a stem cell, you can still turn into any one of those programmer types.
yeah im fairly new and mix a few of the different stereotypes. more than happy to live the quarantine lifestyle like the introvert but ill drop everything for a party like the brogrammer whilst also being quite lazy. also definitely in the unlisted game dev group, however ill stick to writing game logic on an existing engine rather than pretending i can or should do it from scratch, and its only for my own learning and enjoyment rather than thinking im gonna pop out the next big thing in a few months.
I'm just starting to Learn. Now I'm anxious to discover how I will end up being.
Another important woman was Ada Lovelace, who kind of invented the whole concept of programming. I fit fairly well into about half of these stereotypes. As you mentioned jaded old guy, I was like...I barely use C at all these days! But then the part about becoming one with the universe really resonated.
Check out Lunduke's last article, it has a lot of interesting things to say about the first women in programming.
I remember her being referenced on Halt & Catch Fire, true legend
The world wasn't ready for her ideas yet, unfortunately.
@@colbyboucher6391 RIP King Terry
I was so surprised that her name was not referenced here! Thanks for bringing it up.
Another one is the "programmer" or low/no/mo code developer or BPMN developer. He might have started off with traditional development, but today he primarily uses BPMN and no/code tools that were supposedly easy enough to be used by business users, but after a year those people were replaced with this hybrid business analyst, code, technical configuration programmers. He writes .js expressions, API calls, SQL, and html all of the time, but he only actually codes a lot when the customer wants a feature that's not supported by the tool. Half of them call themselves programmers while the others just say they work in software implementation when the truth is in between. Salesforce Developer is another example of this.
That's literally me.
the minimalist and the introvert hit hard for me but ig I'm also woman who codes? I don't FEEL that introverted but then I remember my only face to face communication is once weekly work lunch where I spend the whole hour rambling about group theory and cryptography
Great video as always! I'm the procrastinator programmer, i wait until the last moment to do my tasks then panic and code for 24 hours straight while crying and cursing my past self.
Think about the good side, in 24h you learn so much because you really need to...
I am learning programming and after a few minutes I end up being bored and it's stressful
@@werrutkyupnext Sounds like tutorial hell. Try to build your own projects and boredom will disappear.
@@iHate2x ok
@@iHate2x should I learn python or typescript?
I'm a self-taught software engineer with master degree in mechanical engineering.
"The minimalist" description is absolutely correct - you could be sure in mechanical things but any bit of software adds a huge amount of non-stability to the system/object.
I feel targeted.
Build tools, not ships. Ships are complicated things with many subsystems required to meet all of its disparate use cases. A tool does just one thing but it does it very well. Good ships require expertise in all of its systems in order to deal with any problem that crops up. A good tool is a seamless extension of the users will and its operation is intuitive.
Mechanical systems still tend to break a lot.
@@voidseeker4394 Yes, they do. The difference between the two though is that, in most cases, its far easier to troubleshoot mechanical problems than software ones. Also, maintaining most mechanical devices can be done by anyone with a general know-how related to machinery. If software is not written in house, there's no "popping the hood" and possibly correcting the problem yourself. You have to reach out to whoever has the source code, contract them to fix it, and then wait powerlessly as they hopefully fix the problem without introducing more faults.
@@ryang2573 sounds like survivability bias to me, tbh. Nobody is talking about how many cars has crashed due to mechanical failure (part of them possibly because of maintenance by someone who thinks they has 'general knowlege' of what they are doing). But everybody is talking about how hackers hacked someones smart toilet and stole telemetry of owner's butt.
I'm an introvert programmer. During the group projects in university I would do 90% of the work for those things. I didn't like sitting around waiting for some slackers to take 4 month to write some basic classes. In my job too, waiting on other people to finish coding depencies I need is so annoying.
Let's see now. I did manage to retire in my 30's and went around the world windsurfing until I ended up in the Bay Area in 2000 (i windsurfed Crissy Field and everywhere else in the Bay area). Finally I went back to "work". I am grey haired but am a full-stack developer and for sure i have witnessed the 0.1%'er in action and it was mind blowing to watch. All in all then I would say i am a melange of more than 1 type in your fantastic presentation...closest would be the 1 T Shirt dude but I own my own house so no need to share. Good luck to ALL the young'uns coding...don't worry...soon AGI will take over and we will all be able to go kitesurfing (i switched to kitesurfing in 2008) all year long. If anyone in the meantime, can figure out a way of sequestering about 4000 gigatons of CO2 (hopefully the AGI will help with that) it would be good, cause without Earth coding becomes a bit redundant.
I actually feel that the last stereotype that you mentioned are actually the OG chads of programming. Man imagine doing stuff like neural nets in C. Total nightmare seriously. I really respect these people who built all of the fancy stuff like Python or JS or even the fking OS in nothing but C/C++. (Assembly programmers actually transcend even this level. Absolute chads.)
@npc oh yeah ignore the thousands of lines they had to write lmao
please stop saying C/C++
there is no C/C++
they are different programming languages
@@boohba bruh I didn't mean that way lol
@@boohba C++ is an extension of C and it's compatible with it as well, lol
@@daniellima4391
both claims are false.
void whatever() {
int a = 123;
}
this code is valid in like 50 different languages. are they all compatible?
To be fair to the jaded old guy, C is just a really good language. After just one class in uni, it's been my favorite ever since.
no oops?
You can still use it with C++
why do you say "to be fair" as if being the old jaded guy is a bad thing? hes more 1337 than any of the other plebs
I've been called a 10x developer but I don't feel that way, like I will spend most of my free time coding and experimenting and reading books and that passion is what makes me fast because, well, I love this job, and, I think, when you understand how whatever system you are using works internally, by system I mean anything, from programming language to how it interacts with the hardware, your dbms, etc, at some point it's pretty much all the same, like now there's so much buzz around message driven architectures but it's just the pub/sub design patterns from the gang of four book, being reused in the cloud era... the old becomes new and fancy again but if you study deeply enough you will see everything suddenly becomes so simple, and if you want to write fast code, do coding exercises everyday, even if you don't want to interview, do code katas, and knowing the concepts we talking about earlier, it will simply come out automatically, like you are writing a word document (though I would be 1000x slower at writing regular human spoken language compared to code...) just writing my thoughts here...
Definitely a minimalist 😂
I had a scroll wheel blackberry before they were cool…but kept it till like 2015 when my friends started calling me Sarah Palin.
Also maybe a 5xer. Definitely not 10 cuz I realized there’s no point of finishing my work 3 weeks ahead of time… it’s better to spread out your time sitting around between tasks instead of have 80 work hours with nothing to do
1:39 i've gotta admit that the quarantine didn't change a single thing in my life
As being introvert stereotype I confirm that conversation is harder than programming 😁
Yeah.. uhh. uh huh.. exactly.. true.. correct.. hmm
No eye contact or social cues to worry about when you're talking to the compiler, after all
somewhere between the lazy rich and the old knackered coder.
Ive coded for years in different languages, but never been able to make it rich.
but I think Ive met all the others on this list
I am a lazy programmer who dreams of being a 10x programmer. Unfortunately I am a game developer working for myself and I also have to do the job of modelling and making the music for my game. Whatever you're doing is not that hard because you're probably not doing music theory.
i'm that one programmer who likes to start prjects and abandon them as soon as i run the init command. just layout the project structure and dip out until i think of another cool project
True!!!
We need a part 2
Me too
1:27
it's literally my setup, down to the audio interface
wtf
Awesome video!!
Ig I’m like a young jaded brogrammer w a spoonful of minimalist lmao
Gaming programmer: work efficiently to be able to play more games. Work hard, play hard.
OK something is wrong with this dude. He said he'd show us 10 stereotypes but he showed us 1010 stereotypes
A wise person once said; There are only 10 types of people. Those who know binary, and those who don't.
We also have new type
Chat wishperer : A programmer who uses GPT-based or similar chatbots for coding. However, it's worth noting that this is not a practical or efficient approach, as it would likely result in suboptimal code and poor performance, and he knows it.
First time I heard about minimalist... I can confirm, I'm a programmer but I will never buy anything electronic for my security, only my old laptop,my rpi and my Samsung from 2014, I still drive an lada 2109 x)
I'm definitely in the lazy category as most of the times I feel I don't know shit and I'm always copying others. Programming is an extremely practical field you can complete a course in a language but fail to combine the simple little concepts you learned into one complex solution to a problem. This leads to a feeling of emptiness and makes feel like a beginner all the time.
umm
This is me as well
Cuz you are still a beginner lol. It's like comparing an engineer (excluding a minority that intimately know their stuff) who knows diff calc to a mathematician who works with proofs and does consulting. Can the engineer do high-level math? On paper, sure. But they aren't in the trenches, forgetting basic stuff over time since they don't need the knowledge for their job. It just becomes a routine. The mathematician is a bit different because they DO need to know how the high-level math works on an intimate level. The truth is that unless if you go out of your way to become a SME, you will limit yourself according to what you need. And if you can easily copy what others have done to fulfill what you need...well, you just become good at figuring out how to copy other folks. The true signs of a SME is someone that can take others' knowledge, deeply understand it, and innovate it as necessary to overcome whatever obstacles are in their way to achieve their goal.
Do projects. Set yourself a target and get there on your own. Try to actually so it yourself and don‘t google every 2 minutes. It‘s okay to google but taking a guess or only having a semi-decent solution you did on your own is much better.
You gotta force yourself to do TDD. It breaks the problems down for you and you build up the solution. Or else you are loading a problem that is too big into your head.
I know this 10x developer he can work on 5 projects simultaneously, he once offered a side project to me and I was so stressed just by handling 2 projects. He will always be my inspiration 👏👏
4:16-4:33
Damn,i feel called out a lot by this!
I am a baby programmer just learning the ropes mostly on scratch but I started using unity.
I've literally met all of these. There's also the poser programmer but I feel you intentionally left that out because that can hit a little too close to home for some
They will learn programming only enough to understand the memes
@@juror12 programming is sooooo hard, do y’all ever spend 3 hours looking for a missing semicolon? 😂😭🤬
It really hits home for some, especially us with a little too much imposter syndrome
Which type of programmer are you? Yes.
@@randomizednamme r/programmerhumor in a nutshell. I'm convinced that there's not a single person on that sub with more than a week of experience.
I used to be able to say I'm a 10x programmer, I was in a team that basically held the entire department on its feet (you will probably know this team as platform team wherever you work) with about 75% of the code changes coming from our team.
but now I'm on a different company, so I'll say I'm the lazy programmer.
at least now, I hope, you have a competitive salary.
In a sense that your salary competes with your living expenses
@@mastergoblin7205 I mean it's high tech, so the salary is higher than the normal market, but I question daily if it's worth it.
I'd say the same, the fullest of the full-stack RN developer. A designer, a programmer, a product manager. I appreciate full creative control over the work for my client, but man, a $12k/year salary makes me wanna kill myself when I see chads with over 9000k salaries per month while doing much less work.
@@very_unique_username where do you live
Codefluncer spotted