2021 Toyota Supra - BMW or Toyota? The UNTOLD TRUE STORY
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The internet is on fire with opinions about the new Toyota Supra and BMW Z4, but it seems that there isn't much in the way of facts. We decided to dig into some research and find out what the truth actually was behind the Toyota and BMW partnership.
Spoiler alert: Most of the internet is wrong. (Surprise, I know!)
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Yo I think the logo thing is a Sticker Tho it’s not a bmw But I think the most matched Bmw and Toyota supra the Bmw Hommage
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@Albon This was truly informative and clarifying!
It still looks far more like a BMW than a Toyota.
German Motorship
Japanese Reliability and Build Quality
Now all we need is Italian Styling to begin the next world war.
I will do all things through Christ Yes my friend
I will do all things through Christ like a freaking boss
german have better build quality than japanese
Italian cars has the ugliest styling though
the one fuck you
Albon, I want to thank you for this video. Honestly. The amount of keyboard warriors who talk trash about the A90 without ever having seeing one in real life, driving one, and experiencing one is too much. This video compiles FACTS and TRUTHS in such an unbiased way. I feel a lot of the anger towards the A90 by most people who are against it are due to the fact that it was codeveloped, when they don't understand that the legendary Supra name had to be executed in such a way that would comply with Toyota's standards.
I truly am so stoked that a new Supra exists and that it is actually attainable at less than $100K CAD; the GTR and NSX are out of most people's price ranges brand new, and this to me was a very wise business move on Toyota's goal to make this more attainable for everyone.
Thank you for the kind words! The A90 has definitely been a polarizing topic for sure, but I think that the facts will prevail in the end. I, like many others, have my fair share of complaints about the project, but having driven it and now having owned one, I can safely say that it is a genuinely great sports car, especially for the money.
its a BMW z4 with a Toyota badge.
@@morphineisgod shut the f-
@@morphineisgod Prove it.
@@rodrix2165 BMW engine, BMW brakes, BMW gearbox, BMW infotainment, BMW chime, BMW/Mercedes/Audi PCD and Center bore? Hell even the ET is the same, you can slap M4 competition wheels, AMG 19s or RS6 ones and go. "Shared" platform my ass.
Having owned a couple BMW's, I softly chuckled as they said Toyota surpassed them in the quality control department. That does NOT surprise me, not in the least. BMWs are very fun cars to drive. But reliability isn't their thing.
Not true at all, it all depends on which BMW you decide to go with, if you chose n54 for example, well then you might be right., Also it comes down to how much maintenance you do on your car, that an knowledge of "what to do".
You've either owned 2nd hand junk yard BMW's or you're just trolling or had some serious bad luck. I'm driving BMW for the last 12 years, replacing every 2 years and never had any issues with the car, dealer or backup service. I agree with Gabe, people comment very easily on what they think, not what they actually have experienced.
LMP Riptide, There is much to love about BMW but 12 years worth of 2 year relationships does not a marriage make. Having turned wrenches on cars for 35 years my experience has mimicked in general the average of the various reported statistics on used car repair rates that are available to review. Replacing broken parts and especially rebuilding drive-line components strips away a lot of the euphoria of the brand oriented opinions so popular on the internet. Compared to cars in the early 80's, almost all cars have dramatically reduced repairs under 50k miles due to improved technologies and materials. So until you get into a "12 year" relationship with one car please understand that the strong emotional tie you feel towards BMW is due to experiencing the newness of German engineering. Enjoy it! But understand what it is.
Everyone I know who has had a BMW did so much maintenance lol. Toyota and BMW is perfect collaboration, because toyota cars will last 300,000 miles while BMW brings you a comfortable and fast ride.
Performance takes away from reliability on regular cars
This makes want a B58 powered car. I love BMW I6 engines. They sound good and are very tuner friendly. Having one with Toyota reliability would be awesome.
Let's see how these hold up!
I was thinking the same thing. I'm tempted to but a Z4 M40i. I really like the car. If it pans out they are even Toyota-ish in the reliability department, they're going to be very desirable down the road.
Imagine if Toyota made airplanes, then Boeing will be out of business.
b58 has been around for like 15 years bro. very reliable known engine@@albonfilms
This.. right here, is excellent writing and research. No opinions and lies. Thanks for showing true evidence!
Ayy Dio
I'm pretty sure he has bias opinions on liking the new dupra
NANI!? You are here too Mr.deoxide!?
Hello deoxide. Nice to see you here
Uh, he claims the interiors were developed completely apart from one another. It is evident that they were NOT.
"BMW was impressed with Toyota's dedication to quality and reliability" ...and no one is surprised by this.
lndeed
Removed their excuse to hide behind the luxury badge for shoddy QC.
Toyota was surprised by BMW's finances and R&D testing of initial project... and no one is surprised by this.
stop lying... where was that sentence said in the video!?
My thoughts exactly.
I can really appreciate the research and facts brought out here. It really clears many things up concerning the Toyota/BMW collaboration. Well stated and very interesting to say the least and otherwise without their partnership, we would've never gotten either of these cars. Manual of course is always good but then again how many sports cars today at all price ranges are really using a manual anymore? As much as some of us like to row our own gears we have to accept that they are just about gone now for dual clutch transmissions instead. And this seems to be the standard for most sports cars today. The auto industry has moved in this direction so we have to adapt to the change as well. Complaining and whining about manuals now is not going to change anything. If a company happens to offer one great but don't expect this to be the case anymore. But I digress, an odd pairing between these two companies but all in all I think we may end up pleasantly surprised. Just because it's new and different than previous ones doesn't mean it still can't be good in it's own way.
"Toyota went as far as testing individual bolts and rivets extensively to make sure they were up to the task..." BOOM!
Also people don't realize it's a updated engine it's the B58C not the regular B58 in the 340i's and 240i's and it's also rumored that the turbo is bigger on the Supra then the Z4. And knowing Toyota and also BMW 335hp might not be the BHP it might be higher.
Yet.. the Supra is 50hp slower than the Z4.
So.. Toyota tested every bolt to make sure it was reliable.. and then they detuned the engine to be 50hp slower than the Z4 to be more reliable.. what??
@@CspecSupra @Allen S. I'm very certain they detuned the engine at BMWs request to not step on the Z4's toes. After all, it is BMW's engine.
@@CspecSupra very dependant! Weights of vehicle, the point lbs/torque stops and hp starts
The worst thing is if you were to purchase a new Supra, you have to be prepared for the onslaught and consistent Z4 jokes
Clown shoe... clown shoe... they yelled. :(
Like the same people who have bought the Toyota 86 and have suffered the onslaught and consistent Subaru jokes. Hang on a minute....they haven't 🤔
Yeah, mostly from people who don't have drivers licenses, or those who salivate over heavily modified 25 year old GT cars.
@@joshcorvette yep. if it wasn't for all those JDM Instagram accounts run by 13 year old's who simp over the same 5 cars. " ItS A BmW" same joke over and over
I don't know. I thought the fact that it looks like a Z series made it better. Then again, I was in college when Goldeneye came out.
I think if they just didn't call it a Supra, people would like it.
Maybe, you're still paying $60,000 for essentially what is an FRS with a body kit and a bump to 350hp. I feel like for that price market there are sooooooo many better options. Unless you are a hardcore Toyota fanboy I don't see this car selling well.
1859ddd Good points. And yes there is plenty other things I’d buy for that money
@@1859ddd problem is that most of the die hard toyota fanbois are the ones slating it the most for being a colabaration with bmw and not a fully toyota developed car
@@Asylumescapee11
Edit - I was wrong. Yahama did not make the 2jz. I can admit when I am wrong. I apologize for misinforming anyone. My opion on Mk5 still stands though. I still dont see it selling well.
Well then they aren't hardcore fanbois because the Mk4 Toyota Supra was made in conjunction with Yamaha. Toyota did not make the motor Yamaha did. I understand what Toyota was trying to do here and it would have been a solid pick to go with BMW to help them with the straight six motor aspect of the supra since BMW has some of the greatest straight six motors of all time no question. But what ends up happening is feeling like Toyota took the easy way out and used a bunch of parts bin cookie cutter BMW crap instead of making it feel like a Toyota. Its just a shame all the way around because to be honest I'm sure its a great car. But I don't know how great a car can be if its only got 350hp in a price bracket that its competitors have 450+ hp. I mean ever the BMW Z4 that has the identical motor as the new Supra comes from the factory with more HP than the Supra haha. Just doesn't make sense to me. I understand a great car isn't just made from a hp number but for what its up against its got a lot to make up for only pushing 350hp if that makes sense.
It's actually the other way around. People like it because it's a Supra, so to speak! Hence why it was badged!
That sh*t looks ugly aF imo! Looks totally like a the Z series! I like BMW, but people are looking to buy a Supra, NOT a BMW!
I just came here to say, What an absolutely fantastic video, excellent production, editing and content, kudos to you! Hopefully you have more videos like this coming in the future!
Japan and German : Supra A90
USA : Corvette C8
Anyone remember the last time Germans & Japanese formed a partnership?
Now we need the Italians.
Yeah, they both got devastaded.
That didn't end well for anyone
Ford did just release a 700 hp Mustang.
I came to the comments looking for a comment like this good job 👍🏾
i originally was bothered that the engine was from bmw like a lot of other people, but this video has changed my views quite a bit. i didnt know that the i6 used for this car was being developed right when toyota and bmw teamed up. the fact that the toyota team actually took apart the engines and tested the durability for each component and had them revised accordingly during the design process gives me a lot more confidence in the supras long term reliability. im very glad i watched this video.
So Toyota made sure the engine was reliable.. but in the end they detuned the engine to be slower than the Z4 by 50hp so that it'll be more reliable. Does that mean Toyota realized the engine wasn't reliable after all?
I do not know what this guy in video is talking, but my 2015 Sienna is on par with Yugo in quality. Rattling windows, brakes that start to vibrate after 10k (finally decided to upgrade), mediocre sound isolation etc. What did they say to BMW when they returned parts? This is NOT how we do on Camry!
I’ll put my two cents in - I bought a Supra 2 years ago. I love it. The shape is distinctive and still turns heads. The sound of its stock exhaust is entertaining and never fatiguing. It’s suspension provides comfort at distance and over the pot-holes in the battered U.K. road system. Very few exist in my area - the ownership experience thus far has felt like I am privileged to drive such car. I cannot quite understand the revulsion people have for its excellent auto gearbox, it’s paddles allow full control if you want it. There is plenty of room for tuning and upgrading - why this car hasn’t sold in larger quantities seems to me to be pure prejudice against its BMW - Toyota hybrid origins. This video is the best I’ve viewed in describing the cars design; superb work. Thank you
Been thinking about this for awhile. What the 'Supra' was to other people will not have any real meaning to me since I didn't grow up in that time period. From what I can tell, it was a GT car more than it was a sports car. One could argue that some of that spirit went into the LC more than the new Supra itself, despite not explicitly being inspired by it. Which leads me to another thing, everyone seems to have an idea of what they think the Supra should be, and it feels like that's clouded so much of the discussion (BMW parts aside) around it. But fact of the matter is, to the CEO, and to Tada, Supra meant sports car, and it's one hell of a sports car at that. I feel that when people refer to the spirit of the car, it's more to do with their own predispositions, their own nostalgia of the past models, rather than having to do anything with the car itself. I know this because sitting in one for the first time, it felt special right off the bat, despite the switchgear, there was an aura of anticipation I experienced. I can imagine the same could be said for any other sports car that other people have lusted after before back in the early 2000s, or in the 90s, or 80s, or any other time period for that matter, that's just the cycle of things, and I've come to terms with it. What I haven't come to terms with, however, is whether I like this or the LC 500 more lol. They both set out to make driving fun, in different ways while having great, focused interiors, concept-car styling, and excellent engines and chassis dynamics to boot. While the LC is much more expensive, as a stretch goal car, I could see myself going out of my way to make it work, like I could with the Supra. Ahh, decisions, decisions.
so basically the SUPRA is a BMW supervised by TOYOTA for not to fall apart !
Correct... but hey. It's a BMW
Yeah.. but atleast they could invite Jay z at the car launch ..
you cant even afford a fucking pedal bike let alone a bmw....
Finally, a reliable road fungi
lol youre dumb and broke.
The good news is we're going to get a reliable Z4
Or an unreliable toyota.
Stnls Exactly
@@dabigchina is that even possible?
@@dabigchina yeah or that
eh... not rlly. Still have a lot of electronics to go wrong with, especially with with the interior. Gotta love German electric windows failing
This car will be remembered favorably. It just needs time. I love this thing, and it will be remembered kindly by enthusiasts.
I was at a training presentation hosted by a plastic engineering supplier to all the major automotive brands worldwide. When we were discussing life testing of certain plastic parts, he mentioned most automotive brands used a figure of xx,xxx hours as a guide. There was only one company that often decided to spec 2,3, sometimes 5 times the hour life guide that other companies used. For confidentiality, he wasn't allowed to actually say who, except they were Japanese & the name started with "T" :D
everyone is caught up on the Zupra, but noone wants to point out the fact that the new BMW Z looks just like a fiat 128 spyder lmao.
👍🤣
Omg you are so right.
And the 142 is 5x slower than the Z4.
Its a hybrid of an sl and an mx-5
@@paulinpelivideot2327 pay $$$ to for a car that looks like a fiat. Lol
Oh my god. Facts. Analysis. History. Balanced opinion. Lack of hysteria ? Is this for real ?
No, I mean, it's basically, like the Toyota team went to BMW for a "Build a Car Workshop" field trip. BMW was like: "these are our M-cars, this how they handle..." Toyota: "We want that!" BMW: "Okay, these guys manufacture the BMW chassis'..." Toyota: "We want that!" BMW: "Okay, this is ZF a German company we contract for transmissions, we have a long history with them, and they are developing an 8-speed automatic..." Toyota: "We want that!" BMW: "Okay, now at the heart of a sports car is the engine, we use various engines, your old Supra had a turbo straight-6 right? Well, while you and most every other manufacturer gave up on the straight-6, we furthered the development and now we have..." Toyota: "We want it!"
@@michaelcarr4748 mate SHUT the fuck up. Is there anything really that bad about BMW's, that is the thing, they are great cars to drive, and because the supra is the same underneath does not mean the Japanese can't put a little Japanese Into it, does it
You call this parroted PR bullshit "facts"... Hah! Led lemming. But will you be led to the dealership as per their hopes?
And @Jack Carline, Yes, there is something bad about BMW's. They are frigging money pits, literally the opposite of Toyota's philosophy, hence the controversy.. Yes, they drive nicely, but not that much better than most other sporty cars. Most of their mystique is thanks to the brand awareness AKA, badge whores... In short, BMW's are overrated (and yes, I have actually driven them, several of them). When double blind taste tested, most could not tell the difference between 99cent coffee, and overpriced Starbucks coffee. In fact, some preferred the 99cent stuff!. And yet, people still overpay for Starbucks because of brand awareness, and I get it, it's what they want other people to think of them, they want to be seen being able to afford overpriced coffee... But that right there is another problem. People will be overpaying for BMW maintenance without even enjoying the badge whoring aspect, double fail.
@@jackcarline5183 I think you missed my point, chill your expletives... And read what I said. I said that BMW walked Toyota through the design process. Nowhere did I say anything bad about either car manufacturers quality. If you want to ask my personal opinion, you can do so, since you didn't take the time to ask I won't volunteer it.
wow. what an enlightening vid. i congratulate u on yr research and putting this video together. i literally broke out in a sweat when u discussed the Toyata attention to detail and reliability. U can be forgiven thinking the more expensive the car the more engineering goes into it for reliability. im on the cusp of retirement and so the BMW Z4 is very appealing BUT when u talk reliability i get very very nervous. also reading comments doesnt help my fears. i look forward to watching all yr previous videos. thankyou.
And a few months later, the first issues start popping up:
- recalls from BMW for bad welds
- steering racks failing, which is a known issue on BMWs
Don't expect a Toyota when you're buying a BMW with a different skin.
Very true and i think people miss the point a lot on this subject. Its not us hating the actual car. Its the fact its not a true Toyota sports car. Imagine making a new MR2 and being branded with Chevy Parts. People just don't seem to get it thats the saddest part of all.
Recalled by toyota repaired by bmw
@@Krushe I could not have said that any better Shane B.
@o Rebelo Wrong, the recall was done by BMW because they built the car.
Gornemant is that you timing chain rattling ???
Great video. I say this to everyone who I talk to. Who wants a Toyota with BMW reliability. And this video answers some of it. But the platform aside, this is a BMW parts bin car. Not manufacturered in anyway by Toyota. That is a hard sell, namely you slap a Supra badge on it. The other part, a lower HP driver's car with no optional manual trans at launch is a huge contradiction to their sales pitch for who they are marketing it towards.
Didn't expect you to trash this one outright Goose. Drive it first then let us know.
Definitely agree. It's certainly not what the purists wanted or really what the majority of the car world expected, but at this point, we have what we were given and I will continue to reserve judgement until I get a chance to drive one. The 86 was an interesting foray into this collaborative streak by Toyota and I personally feel it achieved what it set out to. I'm most certainly not a BMW fan though (I know you had a wonderful time with your M3 lol) so I'm still reasonably apprehensive. Thanks for watching dude!
Individually the parts are BMW but the sum of those parts coming together becomes a Toyota product. I doubt the MK5 drives anything like the Z4, we will see. Did you know that the MK4 turbo’s getrag transmission was made by a German company?
@@gerardjoaquino8856 Definitely not trashing it, but being realistic about it. There is a reason why people loved the Supra, AE86, MR2, Celicas. It wasn't because they were the best, but they were some of the most reliable, fun and affordable cars they made. (if cared for). BMW is not know for reliability they are mostly throw away and costly to own long term when you put real miles on them. So maybe this will be different, but its very hard to get excited. I say this a lot if you have a great car and its always broken or having issues, is it still a great car? That was my BMW experience.
@@albonfilms Keep making videos, you are doing well!
Wow, that is quite the automotive history lesson - detailed written and well-narrated.
BMW has also used Toyota engines before. MINI in the US used a RunX engine so is the MINI One D that used the 1ND-TV engine from Toyota.
Thank you! I've been trying to find the answers to a lot of questions, which you answered in your video. It seem then that the Supra/Z4 was more of a joint development! If indeed the B58 motor has benefited from Toyota's reliability improvements, the car may have a shot at being reliable.
There are so many angry comments online about this car and it was apparent even before I saw your video that many of them were not well informed about the development of this vehicle. I even registered for one of the older Supra forums around and found it a cesspool of angry children hating on a car they did not understand and hadn't driven.
Thank you for the information.
I have to say, it was a definitely unexpected design, and I was a bit standoffish from the company at first. But the more I looked at it , read about it, and thought about it, I really have come to start to like it. I think the problem was that we ( supra owners ) have come to love the exact design of the mk4. I think there are so many people unwilling to accept change, or anything they're not used to. Realistically speaking, this car is pretty nice, and reasonably priced ( It's a f*ckin supra, c'mon ). I don't really mind that it doesn't have the so wished for 3jz. It doesn't need it in all honesty. We already have the mk4. Why do we need another? My respect has increased for toyota having the absolute passion to constantly innovate and create new, unique cars.
By the way, great video. I love your content/vibe. Thank you for being a logical voice in this issue.
The design wasn't unexpected at all actually, it was pretty clear early on that the new Supra was going to be styled somewhat upon the FT-1 concept. I just think the chassis and styling of the FT-1 would have suited the supra name more than what a gt86 successor should have been
@@factoryrider9537 they really fucked up with the styling
everyone: Swaps 2jz in the new supra
Me: Swaps the 3ur-fe 5.7L V8 from the Tundra into the new Supra
мυтт тнejacĸal MAD LAD
мυтт тнejacĸal already done
r/madlads
мυтт тнejacĸal 3ur-fe with TRD Supercharger.
What is called then, Tunpra or Sundra..?
After watching this vid when the a90 first came out I got one…over 2 years later I came back to watch it once again. Still in love with my a90!
Great review. These aren't karzai ever do searches on to watch there reviews but I stayed and watched the whole thing.
I'm sitting here reading through the comments with a little bit of disbelief in the disrespect going on. How can people make a full judgment on a vehicle when they've not driven it yet? They made a saying for that situation in particular. I thought your video gave everyone more than enough reason to WANT to drive this car, but it seems like most the people who commented hardly watched at all, and had their mind made up before they had even started. It's people like this that are ruining the car culture and car scene. Forcing good, well made, torch carrying cars into the ground because they couldn't get off their high horse of nostalgia. Fantastic video and keep doing what your doing. It is, as you said, the UNTOLD TRUE STORY, that people need to hear.
What do you expect from the common internet troll? Yelling out with no intellect or common sense. Sad as it is, seems to be the actual reality.
Well said!
@@jinda8897 thank you^^
The information here May be true but not complete. There is more to the car relating to bmw than is mentioned. You will see it if you only take a look at the interior of the car for yourself. Many picture and videos are available for that.
@@tegra_0 Is it possible that you havent informed yourself well? Just look at interior pictures of both cars. the only common part is the shifter. And this is told in the video as they have the same gearbox.
Even if the engine is BMW made. it really helps to know that Toyota had a hand in the reliability testing of it.
BMW and Toyota should be advertising that outwardly so that all understand that it may have the BMW badge and performance but it also has the Toyota pursuit of reliability and longevity
Exactly the comment section seems like people missed that in the video. So technically Toyota helped development of the B58 up to there standards, that's amazing if you ask me.
It wouldnt fucking hurt them to offer manual as standard from M240i, it has the same engine
it still farts when the shitbox automatic trans shifts.
I'm not buying it.
Just took delivery of my brand new supra and I absolutely love this video. I drove the supra back to back with an m2 and a mk7 golf r (my car at the time) I was so surprised that I liked the supra the most, even having previously thought I'd never want to go back to a Torque converter car. After taking a vacation to LA and renting a supra, I immediately sold my R and put a deposit on a supra. Absolutely love the car
Well done! Nice to hear the FACTS...Not speculation..Or emotions.."JUST THE FACTS" Nice.
Without supra, I couldn't be a master driver.
Without B58 planted supra, I couldn't be a master mechanic.
Then you can never be a master driver even with a supra, a master driver can master any car he drives, Supra or not.
@@bboyuploads r/whoooooosh
Really?
Anyone who doesnt understand its from a toyota supra ad
Great production on this video. I usually have no intrest in vehicles but the video was so well made that I kept watching. Truly a work of art. Keep it up.
Amazing research, script writing, voiceover and editing. great work
This has been the best video on the Toyota Supra I have seen! Thanks for the long hours of research and video editing it took to bring this to us.
Thanks for watching!!
You mean like the constant false claims and lack of sources ?
How could the sales figures decide if a manual would be a future option if no manuals are being offered?
If the automatics don't sell enough. Simple. If the autos sell enough then why bother selling to the minority.
Let's face it.Manualbros prefer older cars.
No they don't. We want to buy modern cars without garbage automatic transmissions.
@japanwatchconnection chill. I'd take manual over automatic 80% of the time. That's got nothing to do with the brakes, power steering etc. It's a question of personal preference and not comfort or safety.
@japanwatchconnection
The people wanting manual trans are the people that really enjoy driving. Those like yourself who enjoy ABS, TCS, STM... etc are not petrol heads like some of us, those that truely enjoy driving want to truely feel like their driving. No assist's, no nonsense doing stuff for you. Just you, you're 2 arms, you're 2 legs and a massive smile.
A car is not a box I sit in for safety, A car is an extension of myself while im driving it.
They know how much of a sales boost they typically get from releasing a manual version. If the automatic sells well enough that a typical sales boost would outweigh the cost of development/production, then they'll green light the manual.
You know what really grinds my gears? People complaining about the Supra's reliability, although the car hasn't been released yet.
BMW reliability is just that bad, they are involved, its a safe assumption
Even though BMW had Toyota do all the testing and Q&A until it was up their standards. If anything an unknowledgeable assumption @@FIGJAM4lyfe
The old supra wasnt reliable. It was ok. Not great though.
@@FIGJAM4lyfe Did you even watch the video?? Toyota handled the reliability and durability testing extensively and helped BMW redesign many components until it met their standards. I own a BMW and reliability isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. German engines have tighter tolerances so you need to be on top of your preventative maintenance, but if you treat it right then issues are rare. At least watch the video before you try and spread ignorance.
Kevin Dam I listened to it in the background, BMW found a way to muck up the wiring or hid some one time use aluminum bolts in there, rest assured that German goofiness will pop up sooner or later
1:57
One Thing I know for sure is that the Geo Prizm (toyota corolla) that one car is on the top of Car that Refuse to die. I have run that car with 0 oil and a hole in engine and he still going 😂 Epic well made car can literally last 4 ever specially if well maintenance.
i have a corolla and its true they are good cars but now i have a RAV4 and i love it
I was watching a BMW ad and this was the next video up in the autoplay. I'm a subscriber now. Good job
A supra needs it's own spotlights. Nissan guy here. This ain't right.
I feel your pain. Not a BMW fan, auto trans. no thanks.
Isn't Nissan owned by Renault now?
Fkn fan boy
Coming from a honda guy, I'm satisfied what honda achieved with the type r. The supra is such a legendary car that I'm amazed they let another company pretty much make it. This shows toyota is leaving the enthusiast market for sure. At least the nsx is all honda.
new supra is ugly AF
Idk... Supra series should be Toyota exclusive just like Ford=Mustang, Mitsubishi=Evos,Subaru=Wrx/sti, BMW=Z, Nissan=R, Mazda=RX etc
agree with that
Me 2!
No doubt would you buy a Mustang with a Chevy push rod V8. No way. Or a GTR with a Honda 3L V6. It doesn't make sense.
This video is amazing. Really changed my mind on the new Supra. It seems like a lot of thought and effort went in from both sides. I really like some of BMW's designs but was always pushed away from the thought of owning one due to the reliability and longetivity. It seems like a well thought out design
Dude, THANK YOU for this video. I'll do my due diligence and cross-check some of this info but it seems legit to me at first listen.
This is a damage control video but the damage has already been done.
I like BMW and I like Toyota but you don't mix and match a car like the Supra. It's like putting a German made handle on a Samurai sword. This makes it look like the manufacturer is trying to cut corners. I can see driving this car showing off to my friends and all I hear is this ain't a SUPRA! This car's value will be just like the Mazda RX-8
It’s like taking the blade of the Japanese sword and replacing it with an old dusty German blade on it. It’s missing 2 seats and NO 2JZ ENGINE. There is no manual transmission and it’s a roadster. It will never be a Supra and it spits on its name by trying to pretend to be one.
Blade analogy is spot on🤣🤣👏
Exactly what I was thinking man
The old supras were JDM tuning icons. This new thing is just a cookie cut sport car product made to make money for the company and not really a product for the people
So far this is the best comment, this supra is a joke
Agree with you 💯% on this
You 're fucking dumb. I'm sure there will be big aftermarket community for the new supra but it needs time dumbass.The a80 wasnt "JDM tuning icon" for a long time after its release.
@@lmjbgcdz1 how can it ever become a JDM icon with a bmw engine? Lmao
@Douglas Hamner no doubt. But not JDM
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What a fantastic video, just wow this is one of greatest videos I have seen all my years on TH-cam. The precision of the script or words are incredible so well constructed.
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Just keep in mind. Last time we had Germans and Japanese work together we got a masterpiece called the 2JZ. So I'm very excited for this car.
Most underrated comment here. 👍
That's completely false, the 2jz is fully Toyota
@@E9X330 Yamaha had a huge hand in the 2JZ development .
@@96BlackSVT wrong, that's an urban myth, they did help Toyota with the head of the NA 1kz tho
@@E9X330 agreed. The 1j was Toyota/ Yamaha collaboration. But the 2j was Toyota. By the way great video. Love my MKV.
Like most people, when I saw the new Supra was worked in collaboration with BMW my heart sank and I figured that it would not be a great car for either manufacturer. Your video though has made me take a step back though and really rethink the purpose of why the Supra was worked in collaboration and for the first time I am eager to see, drive, and potentially buy one when it becomes available.
Excellent video and great information. Thank you!
Well said sir! Keep an open mind about it.
Very well done video! Collaboration happens behind closed doors every day. The last sentiment in the vid was spot on. Without the collaboration of BMW and Toyota, neither vehicles would exist. Again, excellent video!
Toyota reliability. + BMW motorsport experience. Why so much hate??
Because there are too many car enthusiasts who are douchebags and fuckbois.
BMW and Toyota does not need to work together. They are doing fine by them selves. But they decide to work together across the different time zone and cultural barrier to envision something new.
I'm sure both companies learned a lot from each other and that's good for all of us.
Maybe BMW QA team learned thing or two about quality control.
Maybe Toyota learned thing or two from BMW’s design philosophy and what us must for them.
For me, this shows that both companies are willing to explore new possibilities and step away from corporate group think ( once you are in a group.. It becomes the echo chamber. Sooner or later everyone is repeating everyone else. ” That's how we always do things.”) and willing to spend $$$ on R&D.
This is big win for both companies even if the cars do not sell in high volume.
Selling more car was not the goal. It's more of process improvement and testing / design methodology they learned from each other.
@@MSH3423 BMW could learn a thing or two but all this partnership did for Toyota was to tarnish their name.
Watch this thing be one of the best cars to mod, haters will always hate,
I think it's cool that they learned from each other too. The fact that the product wasn't moving well until a Japanese man who lived in Germany when he was a boy could help bring them together, is a really cool part of the story. It's probably overly simplified, but I like it. @@MSH3423
Wow!!! By far the best video I've seen covering the new Supra. This video deserves way more views. Great content, and very informative. Subscribed!!!!
let me take a wildly educated guess, if you can fathom the concept, "Howy" this is your video, doesn't take a genius.
your vids are full of info that important. your underrated af. you should be more popular.
is incredible how both the Z4 and the Supra were released together, with different driving feel and dynamics, but people still talks about Supra as the biggest "crime" of this collaboration
Love the new Supra and Z4! Sad they don't offer them as manuals, but the automatic is excellent. If you have not driven a ZF 8 speed, you are missing out!
I think they know that the manual transmission is a niche market, probably developing a new one will not make them any profit. I think that is why BMW stopped doing manuals on the new M5's. Its all online hype.
Andrew Xie this is absolutely ridiculous. To start with, small sports cars are a niche market product. It’s not a SUV. It’s not a midsize sedan. It’s not a hot hatch. Secondly, people of all ages enjoy driving manual transmissions. It makes driving more fun and since this car is not a race car, built with the sole purpose of racing other cars in a race division, this is the most important thing.
@@zhaoyangxie it´s bs, you don´t need to develop one. You just buy one from ZF or Getrag and put it in. Like the ZF 8-Speed mentioned.
James Medina the reality of the situation is that the internet loves manuals, but the people who actually buy cars choose automatics. Do you really think if their market research showed most people would buy a manual they wouldn’t offer one? Just think about it for a second. Their job is to make money.
I love how Toyota did their own reliability test of every component I love that
Jerome p for reals I want fun awesome car that won’t fall apart
Thats probably a lie too with that fake reliability test. This youtuber probably got paid by toyota to bs us with propaganda!
Ducati Guy it could be but but it could also be true I won’t be buy the 1st gen definitely the second gen for sure
Jerome p Asians
club4ag.com/chief-engineer-tetsuya-tada-reveals-the-a90-supra-through-a-viewpoint-of-joint-development-with-bmw/
Read the full interview with Tetsuya Tada. He only said that they took components apart, tested them, and had those pieces sent back to Japan for further analysis. Nowhere did he say which components they took apart, whether the parts passed or failed the tests, and whether BMW had been informed of the results and asked/told to make revisions on their end.
I was a hater of the Supra MKV. I thought it was the greatest failure ever. With the low horsepower numbers to the B58 being a mediocre engine, at best. Then, the numbers started coming in. The first were the 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times. No way this engine is producing 382 HP. Then, you witness the dyno numbers and you realize Toyota was lying about the numbers in the best way possible (the dyno numbers presented 382 at the wheel which translates to around 440-450 at the crank). Then Papadikas racing did a breakdown on the B58 and your realize it's a beast of an engine with so much potential. Now that they've released the manual, I have one on order.
*slow clap* + *standing ovation* Bravo! Great video essay on "The Untold True Story" of the 2020 Toyota Supra Turbo.
*After watching this video essay, fanboys need to call this car what it truly is; a Toyota Supra Turbo at its heart and soul.* A truly special sports car in these times. It will win new hearts and minds. It has also won me over for sure and most every automotive journalist I've seen that has reviewed the car over the past 24 hours.
Keep up the good work. Would love to see deep dives on other JDM cars like you did for the Toyota Supra Turbo. Thank you.
Music is too loud though
Good video, but it is still made of 90% BMW parts even if Toyota did help improve the B58 engine reliability. It will probably be a good sports car and may have better reliability then most BMW's, but Toyota should never have called it the Supra. The Supra brand is their flagship brand and to not develop it themselves to showcase Toyota engineering is just stupid.
Why do people think this way? It can still represent Toyota engineering even if it is just a Toyota revision of BMW technology. Plus, the people who are going to buy this car aren't driving around in 1998 Camrys and 2001 Lexus RXs. The people who actually might buy this car new are they type that drive used Corvettes, and Boxters today. They want BMW handling, with some small suggestion of reliability. It doesn't matter who Toyota pairs with to make a car, be it Yamaha, Subaru, BMW, GM, or Mazda. Toyota seems to always come out on top.
Difference between it being made and not being made. We are looking at the last or penultimate generation of gas sport cars.
Like you were gonna buy it anyways. 99% of people bitching in this comment section were never gonna buy this car anyways.... So what's the big deal?
You see it as stupid, Toyota sees if as economical. They saved a lot on RnD costs. Its just good business sense. Spend less on a low volume car.
@@thelionprince4530 This man gets it.
Toyota knows the success of the supra name so people will buy it because they named it supra. Could have called it an 86. I wouldn't be surprised if they made an 86 and it looked like the new supra. But let's see where this car go. Too soon to judge
I'm watching this again in 2022 waiting for my manual 2023 Supra to be delivered. Thanks for the content!
This was one of the most inspiring knowledgeable, and non-biased video I have seen on the supra, I was planning on getting on, and this eased my nerves on how it would perform and feel, with a colab of toyota and bmw, but still having the individual driving, and design choice, this makes me defs wanna get the supra now lol
I agree, the new Supra is not unique at all. It's more of a BMW than a Toyota.
Tyler gunn that’s what makes it unique tho lmfao no I’m jk fuck this new Supra
Toyota 2000GT is not unique as well then, it's basically Yamaha.
How much does a few fanboys opinion matter? Nothing because the rest of the world doesnt share your opinion. No matter where I go it never ceases to amaze how much positive attention it gets by all ages and gender.
Wow, this is a lot of detail. I love it. Thanks for being so thorough in your presentation of your research. This is exciting.
The only thing done independently between the cars are their exterior styling. The Supra's interior shares 80% of its parts from BMW (see the photos), it has BMW sourced engines, has a BMW sourced suspension, the list goes on. The only difference between these cars are the exteriors and possibly the driving dynamics. Under the body, the Supra is most certainly a re-badged BMW. Driving wise we can't say much about it, but there's no doubt the cars will feel similar.
If what your saying is true then these will be pretty expensive to fix if anything goes wrong.
@@jeffzalonka they are...
Having been a Toyota factory trained technician in the T-TEN program I can appreciate the Japanese desire for reliability. I was surprised when learning of their mechanical theory of extra hardware and on the electrical side multiple redundant links to ground. I often asked if they'd not have significant savings in a production run to leave out some of the things along those lines? I was assured that both were weighed and reliable transportation was more important than the numbers on the bottom line. I have not been in the industry since the last Supra due to being involved in a non-work related vehicle crash with an unaccounted variable of a driver without sufficient concerns for our lives or of the occupants of their vehicle. Takata has left many with a black eye and the corporate has had a few questions about the motoring public world wide. Into every life a little rain must fall. How we come back from it is where the plumb bob of our reputation is hung from. I know that most people who I know that are NASCAR fans aren't especially happy, but all you can do is your very best and see where the flag falls at the end of the race.
It's good to hear that Toyota had input on the development of the B58. That was one of the places in the car that I had the most reservations about. While I'm still a little annoyed that they effectively dumped a BMW parts bin in the interior, that's something that doesn't matter too much and can be changed in future years. The engine is gonna stick around for a good amount of time, and I'd hate to hear about an unreliable Toyota.
If you look inside the door jamb the VIN sticker says, “Mfd by bayerische motoren werke.” Manufactured by BMW.
Timestamp of the VIN sticker visible, please. Seems to me it would say "Mfd by Magna Steyr" because they are building the actual cars.
1st digit of the VIN should be J! Wasn't every previous generation?
@@finkthreely7089 no
Matthew Nunley - If it was made where it should have been it would begin with J.
@@finkthreely7089 first letter of Toyota vin numbers always indicate country of final manufacturing And J is ofc Japan
5:04 - that Plastic Toyota Engine cover though.. LOL
Plastic engine cover...hah!
Try plastic valve cover, and even more fun...plastic intake body with molded-in air-to-water intercooler (read: not detachable with tools unless you are referring to a destructive and/or cutting tool)
@@samsonian they are removable.
you can switch the intake to an air-to-air... without destroy anything or cutting anything.
A very good piece. Thank you, Albon, whoever you are.
I'm a longtime BMW owner and love BMW's (owned an e36 M3, e92 M3, and now a F10 M5). I have always LOVED the MK4 Supra - it was a real engineering masterpiece and still so much fun to look at this its timeless design. I mean who hollows out the carpet kit to save on weight? Truly inspiring engineering. That all that said, this is where the BMW-Toyota partnership ultimately falls short for me: I really wanted Toyota to engineer it on their own to uphold and nurture the Supra HERITAGE. The new Supra doesn't hit the mark for me in doing that, because it was inspired by BMW. By this I mean, similar to what Nissan has done generation after generation with the GT-R, they maintained the HERITAGE of the model brand and that is where I feel Toyota missed out. One man's opinion....
You do realize the main reason the mk4 is so popular its because of the 2jz engine powerplant, a monster to say the least, lots of potential... if the mk4 had a shitty engine nobody would give a crap about it lets be real. The 2jz engine was NOT made by toyota but rather Yamaha. With this being said.. this "new" supra was developed almost same way as the mk4 was.. engine and transmission developed by a diffefent make. Toyota only put their hands on the body/interior/ some suspension of the car. The mk4 and now this new supra are not far from each other in terms of how they came to life. People who think toyota developed the mk4 all themselves is an idiot lmao, and then they go ahead and say "iM a cAr gUy" 🤣🤣
@@orlandot3944 for me it's less about the engine, and more about the design. I really loved the look and design of the MK4 Supra. It looks casual and funny in my opinion, and I really like it. New Supra looks a bit too try hard in my opinion, it tries to look super aggressive with very angular shapes and etc. The interior is also something I don't like, since it's just a re-badged BMW design. I just wish they could've designed the car better. :(
Bobby H how come u skipped the e46 M3?
@@Sacrifice-Paid It was just timing. One day I'd love to have a LSB for a track car ;) Do you have one?
You trying to mock the OP, or is that a true story?
The Supra has iDrive......doesnt sound like independent Interieur Design to me
The iDrive is part of the platform so it makes sense the Supra also has it.
It has all to do with controlling the drive dynamics and close to nothing to do with Interior Design.
@@tjroelsma you are right
Nevertheless it probably feels like sitting in a BMW.
btw. I see this more like an advantage of the supra.
@ Jan Knight
Maybe it will, it all depends on how Toyota has implemented it.
As Toyota doesn't have that kind of system, it looks like it's an improvement you'd want to have in a Supra.
So in the end it all comes down to tolerating an iDrive system to control the setup of your Supra or lacking the control to change the setup of your Supra. It wouldn't make much sense for Toyota to rip out the iDrive and reinvent the wheel just to have a proprietary system.
Dont like it, swap a toyota head unit in. Pffftt like they are any better??
Miguel DSM I have a question about your transmission on doing a project like this can you use the 420a transmission on the 4G63 Evo 5 through 8 motor just to get the car running and driving also can you keep the car front wheel drive and drive it with the EVO motor temporary without the drivetrain using the 420A Auto transmission or EVO transmission just to move it to shop to shop or to workplace to workplace. And last but not least see if I wanted to do a evo 9 swap with a auto to my Eclipse all-wheel drive conversion as well how would I proceed is the Evo transfer case both differentials and Driveline acceptable to blot up to our cars
Re: lacking a manual...
This would be a compromise, but why not put in an electronic H shifter for the automatic?
A lot of the issue is not being able to put it directly into the gear we want, sequential is a little off when playing/racing.
Electronic H shifter would settle the problem for a lot of folks.
Personally I still would prefer a mechanical clutch and full manual, but given age is taking it's toll, I'd rather have an electronic H than a paddle shifter given those two options.
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Best video about this car and it’s sibling. I am glad someone looked at this more in depth. This story is definitely deeper than a rebadged BMW. Which knowing Toyota, I figured it would be.
There’s a reason their cars are of such high quality. And, the new Supra will be such a car.
BMWs aren't high quality though..
Ibraheem Productions That’s why Toyota was brought on. LOL
@@WarriorsPhoto exactly
I agree. Also don't understand people who don't think that these are just z4 in supra body. Different bhp and drivetrain. Different ecu's... but wait.....OMG BMW AND TOYOTA ARE ALL ROBBING UNORIGINAL FAKES. WOODEN CARTS HAVE 4 WHEELS AND A 1-2 HORSE ENGINE. COULDNT THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN IDEAS? LAZY! Next week we compare baked beans and newspapers, which is the best
Rick Ludeke My vote is for Baked Beans! YUMMY!
This video is well produced. !! Make your channel to be about car history just like this.. for example S550 Mustang, Camero, M3 , etc!!
I had a completely different opinion of this vehicle before seeing your eye-opening video. I, like many others I presume, just assumed Toyota paid out some cash to BMW, changed some logos and a body panel or two, changed some visual optics in the infotainment panel, and, for some reason, de-tuned the engine, all before slapping an exorbitant price tag on it and shipping it out the door. Now I’m much better informed, and that can never be a bad thing. Thanks for the illuminating reporting.
Thank you. This is a great video. I think this is a BMW Supra. Toyota badge only. Watched the specs in other videos that many of you have already watched. It just takes away from the mystique of the Supra legend because now we know that it's a fake, kind of like the Mercedes pickup, which is really a Nissan.
BMW engine, BMW transmission, BMW rearend, BMW chassis, BMW suspension, BMW electronics, BMW interior. "According to the facts" this is somehow a Toyota car....
Wait, did you even watch the same video we did? Lmao
@@albonfilms Absolutely, its the one on this page that shows nothing was built by Toyota. But apparently they quality tested some BMW parts so thats good enough to call it a Toyota.
well the tranny is a standard tranny which is not built by bmw
@@ScrewDrvr Im willing to bet even the wheels are 5x120 like most BMW cars.
@@albonfilms watched the video to end there no way in hell this 2019 Supra resemblance old Supra any car enthusiast by looking at it will be able to difference it more of BMW Z4 than Supra.
Wonderful piece on automobile engineering. In my opinion, partnerships are necessary in today's world. And partnerships often create fresh perspectives for an individual line of thought which was previously isolated from the other one. A wonderful example is right here. And though emissions control are necessary in the coming times, to avoid loosing our planet's survivability, without partnerships each Goliath(read Piston-wheels) will turn to dust in front of the new David(read E-cars) eventually. But I don't like the idea of autonomy; no matter what, or how comforting it could be; would be the death of fun in driving. And certainly after a few decades, people will just forget how to drive a car.
This video kept me hooked! I learned a lot, glad to have an MKV
@12:57 You say the interiors are developed totally independent, but the Supra interior is quite literally 100% BMW. I haven't seen a single switch or button that isn't from the BMW parts bin
bigballer to be fair...at least its not a maseratti sharing parts with chrysler. BMW parts aren’t a bad thing
Nick Pagano The point is that it isn’t a pure Toyota. It’s a cheap reboot of an adored classic.
Sure, Toyota made some modifications to the engine and chassis but it’s mostly German badge engineering
and trust me those BMW parts won't last ... not because the Germans cannot engineer it to last but precisely because BMW has mastered the engineering and modeling for the parts to last lots of miles but fail not long after the warranty "times" out. My company specialized in resin formulations and we can tweak the chemistry of any resin material to fail after a set amount of time/cycles and my experience with my very low mileage M6 has me convinced that the parts failures are no accident.
Resq Av8r wow didnt know that. Really make me think when purchasing a car
@@resQ-av8r that's fake news, most of the interior came from 3rd party manufactors that produce parts for most of the premium class cars not for one label exclusive. (like the company dräxlmaier / www.draexlmaier.com/produkte/interieur/ or many others listened here www.iacgroup.com/ )
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Thanks man!
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Great video! The armchair speculation surrounding these cars is a bit absurd, and we really should be celebrating the fact that these vehicles were brought to market. I must admit that the interior of the Supra is, in my opinion, disappointingly too much BWM and not enough Toyota. And while I would still love to drive the Supra, the lack of a manual transmission option would prevent me from buying one.
I'm not completely sold on the styling of the Supra, either. Toyota's current design language is, for me, quite hit or miss. It seems like every so often they come up with a redesign that looks great, but is surrounded by other vehicles that just don't look good to me. (I largely feel the same way about Honda's more recent offerings, too.) I won't even get into some of the stuff they've done with Lexus. From a design perspective, the Supra looks okay in a lot of ways, great from certain angles (especially the rear), but overly complicated or outright weird from other angles. The front end in particular seems a bit off.
I miss car designs that had simpler lines, less creases and swoops and superfluous edges that only serve to clutter everything up. It seems like manufacturers these days regard clean designs as boring or something, as if everything has to look complicated in order to stand out. One needs only to look back at the Mk IV Supra for a great example of a car with simple, clean lines that looks great. Even exotic manufacturers like Ferrari are doing this. I think almost anything they've made in the past 10 years pales stylistically in comparison even with many of their cars from the 80's. I think Lamborghini is about the only company who can consistently pull off complicated designs that look good, but even then, these modern designs are starting to make cars like the Murcielago look classic.
Getting back to the Supra though, I really need to see one in person. Actually, I'd like to see several in person, in different colors. I imagine I'd probably like the styling a lot more if I saw it up close.
This car is hated by people who can't afford it, who think its cool to hate it because other people do, or simply because they're 15 year old MK4 fangirls. You've got a two-door RWD inline 6 turbo car that runs 12 seconds flat on the 1/4 mile stock, and an engine that is easily receptive to power gains. Compared to other cars on the market in an era where sports cars are being discontinued for people movers and SUVs, it is amazing. The ONLY screw up is that there should have been a manual option, for the purists.
Look I have no issue with this car's existence or the reasons as to how they made this way. BUT. Don't call it Supra. Let the nameplate die an honorable death instead of using nostalgia as a money grab. This should have been called the Toyota 89. Big brother to the 86. That way, NO ONE would have gotten pissed off. It's just another jointly built machine. Plus give us a damn manual, FFS. All this emphasis on driving enjoyment and perfect balance, blah blah blah and you nerf it with 2 pedals? Come on, guys... The 86 has it, this one should, too.
@@cheefukeefu I'm fully aware of the AE86 call back. I've been building Toyotas for over 2 decades. The new Supra was supposed to be the spiritual big brother to the 86, so a larger number would make more sense to the general public which has no idea was JZA80 means anyway. Besides, this new Supra has nothing to do with the old one so any reference to JZA80 would be pointless. It fits in with the typical numbering standards automakers are using. Use any number, letter, greek alphabet character, I don't give a SHIT. Just don't use Supra!
@@cheefukeefu I don't buy that because it has an inline 6 makes it a Supra. Many cars have inline 6's. BMW has been doing it forever and they still do. Are other BMW's then related to the Supra, because of the inline 6? That's like saying the Camry V6 and the Taurus V6 are the same car. Both FWD V6 sedans, yet entirely different.
The fact remains this car is mechanically a BMW with a Toyota body on it. It's a joint venture, much like the 86. The new Supra has more in the common with the 86 than it does with the MK4 -- by a wide margin. This is why I have a problem with the name, not the project. Had they called it anything else, there would be no backlash.
Make no mistake, this car is NOTHING Supra. To say the BMW inline 6 makes it a Supra is ludicrous. It's not even a manual, even less relation to Supra.
They just did it for the commercials and sales. Despicable.
@@cheefukeefu It seems we agree on all counts but the name. ;) To me, it's just not a Supra. Toyota did not build it so... not a Supra. If Porsche and Subaru got together and built a new 911 with on top of an Impreza platform flipped around so the engine was in the back, would you be ok with that being called a 911? I mean, it's got a boxer engine in it, so YASSS it's still a Porsche. No way man. This is the same thing here. Collabs are fine. But call them what they are.
Manuals all the way!
The GT-R also needs to die a death and stop making the legendary Skyline look bad. They try to sell a $50,000ish vehicle for over double that and no wonder nobody is buying it.
Oh and before anyone says anything, I owned a brand new 2014 GT-R that cost $104,400 and I can say it's nowhere worth that. Every year the price goes up and they don't even add anything to justify the cost. People buying it keeps dropping for a reason.
Said it before, will say it again, its a great car, well developed and engineered, but it does not deserve the supra name.
no one would buy it if it was not called Supra, who would buy a 55k celica
Why would you call it a Celica?
@@jimmelay71 exactly, you must call it Supra in order to sell it
jimmelay71 cuz its underpowered “sporty” car just like celica mb ?
Since when is 400 hp underpowered?
Newsflash! A steering column on MK V Supra has failed and it's similar to BMW steering column issue. Are you sure about Toyota tested all BMW parts used. I'm highly doubtful.
imagine going 60 near a curve and your steering wheel fail to respond.
So much for Toyota testing every bolts and rivets as claimed. It's a known problem in the BMW community and Toyota didn't look at the steering column?
14:47 JP Performance in the red Shirt hehee If i remember correctly he was also the one who drifted it in those clips but maybe i'm wrong. It's a while ago.
I think it's awesome what those two made! I find it sad that we didn't get a 3JZ but hey this engine has already proven to be worthy of the Supra name!
Love your story telling.. You know how to put across your point beautifully..!! Keep it up..
Thank you
The golden era died in the 80’s and 90’s when japanese sports cars were solid, smooth, distinctive, “ Premium “
Nissan had the 300zx
Toyota the supra
Mitsubishi 3000gt
Lexus the LS
After that japanese sport and luxury cars started slowly declining towards the 2000’s.
Car centered towards the drivers slowly declining with less interesting features, tacky buttons everywhere, hollow cheap interiors with “ premium “ stitching, cheap black plastic on the body, plastic headlights, pearl paints replaced by cheap non pearl colors. Plush premium seats replaced by cheap thin solid aftermarket looking seats.
In other words quality, luxury, got replaced by tacky cheap concepts fooling you into thinking your paying for something “ fun “ “ lit “ “ edgy “
@E M I agree with you. Now its time to buy one of this good old cars as long as they are affordable. :)
I only had problems with the newer cars ... and I dont miss anything of the features. Maybe a head up display would be nice but definetely no game changer. Who need this lane holding assistant??
And I have litteraly no problems with my old BMW. Service, oil change and everything is fine. Late 80s, 90s and some Models to the mid 00s are the legendary eras (imo).
You forgot the NSX.
You words weighs gold, Yes, this is today's cheap plastic built vehicles, Uncomfortable very stiff and veryyy expensively sold cars, There is no doubt new safety technologies are wonderful and it should be price combined and a part of automobile development and not as an option to be sold separately and this is the evidence that it's a matter of profit if an individual is financially able would you uncheck any safety feature? No i don't think someone would compromise his/her safety, In addition spare parts are now being sold by bulk by the dealers and are very expensive where are the good days of selling that specific part that is broken and not a full unit!!, Another thing they force you to fix in the dealer by making the design complex so you can't do it by yourself!!
I'm an optimist personally, But that i had to say.
and my favorite manual transmission is no longer an option in 99% of cars
@@RichardSaysNever yeah all the great cars got too expensive and then US emissions had made it trouble to sell in the US. Japanese economy wasn't good enough for young guys to buy their own cars.
BMW: So, which of our parts and components would you like to have in your new car?
Toyota: Yes