It should come to the surprise of no one that Charles and Jomi would be the biggest snitches in the crew. Shit, I think Steve has more street cred and heart than both of them. LOL
Charles: This show is getting a little too comic bookie. Van: Do you think Heath Ledger's Joker is grounded? Charles: Yeah Joker...the guy who slid down a pyramid of cash and took two ferries hostage and had a phone bomb sewn into a guy's chest is grounded. Meanwhile, 😮Sofia Falcone shoots one guy in the head and puts a bag of money on a table. Charles, the fucking king of contradictions.
I think too that sometimes theres not enough of a distinction made between Comic book fans and super hero fans. Plenty of people are hip to the wider MCU world but didn’t grow up reading comics. Im one of them. I didn’t know a damn thing about no Wiccan or Rio being death. I started learning about that stuff listening to this podcast. Im willing to bet people who are not familiar with comics that intimately are most of the fans watching.
Charles sounds like the fanboys he used to make fun of lol. I thought he'd especially like this ep of Agatha because it was so focused, character-based, and tied things together, but he's talking about not being surprised by reveals and guessing future cameos. The Rio or Billy reveals aren't going to be surprising to MCU fans, but as long as the execution is good (which it is imo), it shouldn't matter. Guessing correctly shouldn't take away from your enjoyment. Being obsessed with surprises is annoying, that's what ruined Westworld. Besides if it ends the way Charles was talking about, y'all will complain about it being like a regular MCU show lol
Im so happy someone called this out. Cuz I remember last year, everyone was complaining about the attempts of connecting the larger MCU world and wanted contained stories. Now we are getting it and its not enough surprises
@@mackstacks8913 Same. We saw fans complaining about things being *too connected* , and that stories should stand on their own. Marvel makes more self-contained stories with little to nothing to do with an overarching story, and now they complain that there aren't enough connections to the larger saga? Like, what do fans want?!
The Batman wasn't all that grounded though. That dude jumped off a building, slammed into a big ass pole, skipped across the ground like a pebble on water...and then walked it off.
Agatha all along is just as much of a crossover as wandavision was. I been seeing the crystal, astrology, tarot shorties talking about it on tiktok nd twitter😂😂 nd they couldn’t give less of a fuck about the greater mcu
I remember just last year folks on this particular podcast (Charles especially) were complaining about reveals, cameos and shows attempting to tie into the greater MCU and not being good stories. Now its not exciting enough cuz off the lack of surprises and reveals. Lmaooo aight man.
Bro was hanging on to dear life with the L take on Batman. Dude totally forgot she was in Arknam for 10 years and was gonna be head of the family. That transition made sense, and he forgot Johnny got killed infront of non made men. That she just gave a whole bunch of power and what she did was a show of power. Also that gotham is awesome idk what he's talking bout lol The Penguin has been great
Yeah I like Charles being on to provide a different perspective but sometimes he just be confusing as hell. Keeping Johnny Vitti to shoot him was OBVIOUSLY a play of strength to both intimidate and uplift the crew. She said he was a made man and then shot him 30 seconds later. She was obviously making the point that your position in the old organization does not matter. And she had already planned to partner with the Maroni’s so Vitti’s connections are inconsequential at that point.
What Van was describing at the beginning about the difference in corporate culture is what you see when you go from private to public. Everything changes when you work for a publicly traded company
The episode was AMAZING -land really gave us connection with a character we just met on this show and don’t have a lot of history with My ONLY gripe is that she seemingly killed the Salem 7, who seem to be pretty powerful, by flipping a room and having them fall on some swords
Batman dodging shotgun blasts is comic booky. And really the most comicy thing would be him hooking and gliding around gotham like spider man and the vehicles taking a back seat. The batmobile wasn't as much a thing before the movies. There's a part of knightsend after bruce re trains with lady shiva where he goes up on top of some particular building where he first decided he had to go all the way and took the plunge years ago with the awareness that he might just go splat. That all or nothing is intronsic to the psychology of batman in the comics.
Charles trash takes would be better if he at least tried to explain them, he never gives a reason to support his opinion, always headlines without a body or headlines to support more headlines.
Listening to that Blade convo was so frustrating, to say the least. I get that the pods shtick is to blame Marvel for its perceived and over stated incompetence but somehow Steve's timeline that was filled with reports from The Hollywood Reporter conveniently leaves out the Borys Kit & Aaron Couch June 20th, 2024 report detailing that "Ali has, at times, exercised an inordinate amount of influence over the project, in a way few other actors have on Marvel movies. Part of it stems from Blade’s inception, which began when Ali called the studio after winning the Oscar for his work on Green Book and said he wanted to do Blade. Ali has envisioned Blade as his Black Panther, according to sources." This isn't to put the blame all on Mahershala, but it is to spread that blame pie around instead of the pods usual trope of Marvel = Bad. Jomi calls it embarrassing that Marvel can't do "John Wick but vampires," but clearly, that isn't the movie Mahershala wants to make if he's envisioning the film as his "Black Panther." Thus, 5 different writers trying to crack the script since 2019 through two different directors, a pandemic, and a writers strike, to find a happy medium between both parties, Marvel and Mahershala, respectively. www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/blade-behind-marvel-reboot-1235926545/
Excellent point. It never seemed like Marvel was ready to do Blade in the first place. So the last thing we should want is forcing a story right now, when people are complaining the movies seem rushed.
@lexis4490 right, unlike the movies, they typically make Mahershala requesting to make Blade was not in their plans, but they figured they could squeeze it in for the Two-time Oscar winner and the rest is history.
People bitching about spoilers need to relax and look to themselves. If you’re listening to something covering a movie/episode you haven’t seen that’s on you. I have zero issues banking episodes of podcasts covering something I haven’t seen until I catch up. Older stuff eh. I can figure out enough if I need to fast forward. If you’re pissed about something from 1991 I don’t know what to tell you. That’s a special type of entitlement.
These guys do a way better of telling people they're gonna spoil stuff than 95% of shows on the internet. Overall spoiler thoughts: if you're a youtube show, drop the warning before the conversation and do timestamps and you're good.
18:53 charles don’t know ish about real street ish. She didn’t need him. Money talks. And this is a comic book show! Gtfoh with this love for grounded comic book shows. Go read a grounded comic then
Part of the problem and I put myself in this group is adults who are used to “prestige” television trying to analyze the mysteries of shows meant to include a child demographic.
I would have Blade be delayed then push an average movie out. That’s what all of you been complaining about, right? Furthermore, the most successful Vampire movie in recent history is Twilight. Let’s not assume your John Wick Blade would automatically be successful, especially when Ali and others are pitching something bigger than John Wick. But if you want movies like Venom, where they are half assed made, then you got Venom movie this weekend.
I just don't get the universal praise I've seen for this episode. This feels like it's right in line with rest of the season, which I think overall is just fine. Yes, the premise is cool but the execution is just so...nothing. Calling it one of the best MCU episodes is just wild and hyperbolic imo
I don’t get the need for realism in live action comic book adaptations. Make something else if that’s what you are going for. We like these IP’s for a reason…And it was because everything felt so real
Post Endgame introduced too many characters too fast they didn't have a plan for. Some of the projects were weak, but most of the the actors/characters are fun. Shang Chi and Kate Bishop are gonna be 40 before we see them again
Ok on spoilers: often I want appilers regardless ofnwhether Im going to see a thing. But for shit that I might take my kid to see (wild robot) often we wait for the crowds to die down. If the spoiler warning is up top for the whole show then all good, but (and yeah this is a weird choice on my part) O sometimes fall asleep listening to the show. So if I'm drifting and all of a sudden I snap to and you tell me the spoiler about the alternate tom holland spider man getting the symbiote in venom 3, that would suck. Granted it's on me and I'm generally anti-spoiler warning but as this comment illustrates spoilers should be up top for the entire show/comment so we can nope out before it's too late.
I would not spoil a show like Sopranos or Lost now, or a movie like Hereditary without a decent warning. Just me. Listening to a show about the material is different. How much of the universe can vary. If all of DC or marvel is fair game that is a lot. If you are listening to a pod on gardening and they suddenly spoil Interstellar that does not seem right
Spoiling a tv same day is wild. Listening to a reaction pod or show I understand, but just being online? Thankfully I don’t have g out on Twitter or insta, but I can remember having a major Sopranos moment spoiled on a Monday by a sports show, Around the Horn. Hate Stat boy aka Reali for that d*ck move. The show re-aired Monday nights and sometimes I had to miss on Sunday.
The bar is so low with these D+ shows. People are losing their minds like this hasn't been done better across dozens of TV shows and movies. This episode is not some amazing feat.
It should come to the surprise of no one that Charles and Jomi would be the biggest snitches in the crew. Shit, I think Steve has more street cred and heart than both of them. LOL
“Almost too accurate “ Chuck just finding reasons to hate😂
As always.
Charles: This show is getting a little too comic bookie.
Van: Do you think Heath Ledger's Joker is grounded?
Charles: Yeah
Joker...the guy who slid down a pyramid of cash and took two ferries hostage and had a phone bomb sewn into a guy's chest is grounded. Meanwhile, 😮Sofia Falcone shoots one guy in the head and puts a bag of money on a table.
Charles, the fucking king of contradictions.
Charles clearly isn’t on witchy, gay, musical theater TikTok to think only MCU-heads are watching Agatha 😅
I'm not and I knew what additional audience was going to tune into it lol
I think too that sometimes theres not enough of a distinction made between Comic book fans and super hero fans. Plenty of people are hip to the wider MCU world but didn’t grow up reading comics. Im one of them. I didn’t know a damn thing about no Wiccan or Rio being death. I started learning about that stuff listening to this podcast. Im willing to bet people who are not familiar with comics that intimately are most of the fans watching.
RIP lilia, a real one.
Charles sounds like the fanboys he used to make fun of lol. I thought he'd especially like this ep of Agatha because it was so focused, character-based, and tied things together, but he's talking about not being surprised by reveals and guessing future cameos. The Rio or Billy reveals aren't going to be surprising to MCU fans, but as long as the execution is good (which it is imo), it shouldn't matter. Guessing correctly shouldn't take away from your enjoyment. Being obsessed with surprises is annoying, that's what ruined Westworld.
Besides if it ends the way Charles was talking about, y'all will complain about it being like a regular MCU show lol
Im so happy someone called this out. Cuz I remember last year, everyone was complaining about the attempts of connecting the larger MCU world and wanted contained stories. Now we are getting it and its not enough surprises
@@mackstacks8913 Same. We saw fans complaining about things being *too connected* , and that stories should stand on their own. Marvel makes more self-contained stories with little to nothing to do with an overarching story, and now they complain that there aren't enough connections to the larger saga? Like, what do fans want?!
The Batman wasn't all that grounded though. That dude jumped off a building, slammed into a big ass pole, skipped across the ground like a pebble on water...and then walked it off.
To be fair…he limped off.😂😂
These dudes don't know what they want. They want the comic book element, but then when the show do it, they complain.
Agatha all along is just as much of a crossover as wandavision was. I been seeing the crystal, astrology, tarot shorties talking about it on tiktok nd twitter😂😂 nd they couldn’t give less of a fuck about the greater mcu
I was confused by that comment lol like in no way does this show seem to want to appeal to the hardcore MCU fanboys
I remember just last year folks on this particular podcast (Charles especially) were complaining about reveals, cameos and shows attempting to tie into the greater MCU and not being good stories. Now its not exciting enough cuz off the lack of surprises and reveals. Lmaooo aight man.
chuck is a professional hater
Bro was hanging on to dear life with the L take on Batman. Dude totally forgot she was in Arknam for 10 years and was gonna be head of the family. That transition made sense, and he forgot Johnny got killed infront of non made men. That she just gave a whole bunch of power and what she did was a show of power. Also that gotham is awesome idk what he's talking bout lol The Penguin has been great
Yeah I like Charles being on to provide a different perspective but sometimes he just be confusing as hell.
Keeping Johnny Vitti to shoot him was OBVIOUSLY a play of strength to both intimidate and uplift the crew. She said he was a made man and then shot him 30 seconds later. She was obviously making the point that your position in the old organization does not matter. And she had already planned to partner with the Maroni’s so Vitti’s connections are inconsequential at that point.
REAL NEIL FRANCISCO.
Oh sweet Jesus, thank you!
Ya'll had me shook thinking the episode this week was just the 15min Blade convo. My night is saved! 🙏🙏🙏
Here for Agatha talk as a straight man people that show is 🔥.
What Van was describing at the beginning about the difference in corporate culture is what you see when you go from private to public. Everything changes when you work for a publicly traded company
Not knowing you got shit on the way is hilarious 😂 shout out to Kerm 😂
I’m pretty sure whatever is actually impressive to Chuck would piss me right off. He comes off as a miserable lad, borderline insufferable.
real neil francisco went 32-2 with with 28 knock outs
Van is just slowly getting more and more unhinged by the hour
Did Chuck kill the show with his last antic on ep1? Feels like the magics gone.
The episode was AMAZING -land really gave us connection with a character we just met on this show and don’t have a lot of history with
My ONLY gripe is that she seemingly killed the Salem 7, who seem to be pretty powerful, by flipping a room and having them fall on some swords
oh cool, so Charles really does look as disinterested as he sounds on the pod lol
Needed this boys. Thanks
Steve referring to himself as a light fixture a week after referring to Jon Kermah as a black void…. 🤣😭😭😭
Why is this up before the pod on the Ringer-Verse feed? Is my pod machine broken?
No, they upload it here first
Guy in glasses asking for CW Batman 😂
Van sent the Winter Soldier after me to make sure I subscribed.
Steve is saying what I’ve been feeling. This version of Batman feels like a mixture of Burton and Nolan. And I don’t hate it.
Batman dodging shotgun blasts is comic booky. And really the most comicy thing would be him hooking and gliding around gotham like spider man and the vehicles taking a back seat. The batmobile wasn't as much a thing before the movies. There's a part of knightsend after bruce re trains with lady shiva where he goes up on top of some particular building where he first decided he had to go all the way and took the plunge years ago with the awareness that he might just go splat. That all or nothing is intronsic to the psychology of batman in the comics.
Charles trash takes would be better if he at least tried to explain them, he never gives a reason to support his opinion, always headlines without a body or headlines to support more headlines.
Listening to that Blade convo was so frustrating, to say the least. I get that the pods shtick is to blame Marvel for its perceived and over stated incompetence but somehow Steve's timeline that was filled with reports from The Hollywood Reporter conveniently leaves out the Borys Kit & Aaron Couch June 20th, 2024 report detailing that "Ali has, at times, exercised an inordinate amount of influence over the project, in a way few other actors have on Marvel movies. Part of it stems from Blade’s inception, which began when Ali called the studio after winning the Oscar for his work on Green Book and said he wanted to do Blade. Ali has envisioned Blade as his Black Panther, according to sources."
This isn't to put the blame all on Mahershala, but it is to spread that blame pie around instead of the pods usual trope of Marvel = Bad.
Jomi calls it embarrassing that Marvel can't do "John Wick but vampires," but clearly, that isn't the movie Mahershala wants to make if he's envisioning the film as his "Black Panther." Thus, 5 different writers trying to crack the script since 2019 through two different directors, a pandemic, and a writers strike, to find a happy medium between both parties, Marvel and Mahershala, respectively.
www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/blade-behind-marvel-reboot-1235926545/
Excellent point. It never seemed like Marvel was ready to do Blade in the first place. So the last thing we should want is forcing a story right now, when people are complaining the movies seem rushed.
@lexis4490 right, unlike the movies, they typically make Mahershala requesting to make Blade was not in their plans, but they figured they could squeeze it in for the Two-time Oscar winner and the rest is history.
Can’t wait to hear their review of Venom 3 lol
People bitching about spoilers need to relax and look to themselves. If you’re listening to something covering a movie/episode you haven’t seen that’s on you.
I have zero issues banking episodes of podcasts covering something I haven’t seen until I catch up.
Older stuff eh. I can figure out enough if I need to fast forward. If you’re pissed about something from 1991 I don’t know what to tell you. That’s a special type of entitlement.
These guys do a way better of telling people they're gonna spoil stuff than 95% of shows on the internet.
Overall spoiler thoughts: if you're a youtube show, drop the warning before the conversation and do timestamps and you're good.
“What I didn’t know until this moment, it was……..all along”
Dope sweater, Steve
My mom went to a taping of Sabo gigante ❤❤❤
hahaha yall in a bag lately. love yall
Only 12 minutes in and I just want to say I absolutely love this show! So funny
GOTTA WATCH AGENTS OF SHIELD
It's clear Vic is going to die...... idk if it's this season or 5 seasons later..... but he got RIP written on his forehead
Van needs to put respect on Caesar’s name
loving the youtube! Commenting for the algorithm, yall are the best!
also the whole midnight boys crew should be on arcane! Van and Charles didn't watch season 1? That shit was incredible
Needed this my boys
If someone cured cancer Charles would nitpick the form the medicine came in.
18:53 charles don’t know ish about real street ish. She didn’t need him. Money talks. And this is a comic book show! Gtfoh with this love for grounded comic book shows. Go read a grounded comic then
And we have so many grounded mob shows. We don’t need more. Give me comic book fantasy.
Part of the problem and I put myself in this group is adults who are used to “prestige” television trying to analyze the mysteries of shows meant to include a child demographic.
We in here boys
I would have Blade be delayed then push an average movie out. That’s what all of you been complaining about, right? Furthermore, the most successful Vampire movie in recent history is Twilight. Let’s not assume your John Wick Blade would automatically be successful, especially when Ali and others are pitching something bigger than John Wick. But if you want movies like Venom, where they are half assed made, then you got Venom movie this weekend.
I fucking love Van❤
People are born all the time who need to be shamed for not watching all the comic book movies by spoiling their plots!
I just don't get the universal praise I've seen for this episode. This feels like it's right in line with rest of the season, which I think overall is just fine. Yes, the premise is cool but the execution is just so...nothing. Calling it one of the best MCU episodes is just wild and hyperbolic imo
I don’t get the need for realism in live action comic book adaptations. Make something else if that’s what you are going for. We like these IP’s for a reason…And it was because everything felt so real
Charles loves complaining.
Call me crazy, but I want to see comic book version of the character. I can watch breaking bad and Sopranos for realism.
Post Endgame introduced too many characters too fast they didn't have a plan for. Some of the projects were weak, but most of the the actors/characters are fun. Shang Chi and Kate Bishop are gonna be 40 before we see them again
Paul George + Urkel = Charles
Ok on spoilers: often I want appilers regardless ofnwhether Im going to see a thing. But for shit that I might take my kid to see (wild robot) often we wait for the crowds to die down. If the spoiler warning is up top for the whole show then all good, but (and yeah this is a weird choice on my part) O sometimes fall asleep listening to the show. So if I'm drifting and all of a sudden I snap to and you tell me the spoiler about the alternate tom holland spider man getting the symbiote in venom 3, that would suck. Granted it's on me and I'm generally anti-spoiler warning but as this comment illustrates spoilers should be up top for the entire show/comment so we can nope out before it's too late.
I would not spoil a show like Sopranos or Lost now, or a movie like Hereditary without a decent warning. Just me. Listening to a show about the material is different. How much of the universe can vary. If all of DC or marvel is fair game that is a lot. If you are listening to a pod on gardening and they suddenly spoil Interstellar that does not seem right
Spoilers could also flat out nit make sense to viewers and thus better off not saying them at all.
Chuckie always complaining about taking things seriously when he can’t be taken seriously himself. Corny as hell.
Spoiling a tv same day is wild. Listening to a reaction pod or show I understand, but just being online? Thankfully I don’t have g out on Twitter or insta, but I can remember having a major Sopranos moment spoiled on a Monday by a sports show, Around the Horn. Hate Stat boy aka Reali for that d*ck move. The show re-aired Monday nights and sometimes I had to miss on Sunday.
Naa i gotta agree with Jomi Marshall mathers Lp 2 was a great album. It was his last great album though, he hasn’t put out anything good since.
MINTVEMBERRR
Calm down Steve
The bar is so low with these D+ shows. People are losing their minds like this hasn't been done better across dozens of TV shows and movies. This episode is not some amazing feat.
Please give examples of dozens of better episodes.
Name the dozens of TV shows adapted from comic book source material that is better than The Penguin.
Man penguin fell off
Is there a ringer show that covers horror? If not, why not?