Extremely Complicated Part Machined on PUMA SMX 3100ST 9 Axis CNC Machine | DN Solutions
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- Setting Up a Complicated CNC Machined Part on the DN Solutions SMX3100. This is part 1 in a series that will show you how to machine a part from raw stock to finished part. Material is 17-4 H1150
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I would love to have access to a blank sop sheet from you guys and tool sheet
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Can u upload the continuation of that machining
Why not center drilling BEFORE drilling?
@@johnkeefe20 Carbide Drills do not require a spot drill. In fact having a spot and especially a center as a pilot increases the chances of the chisel chipping on the drill itself.
@@manibalansivakumar3109 th-cam.com/video/vIOJTaEo9_g/w-d-xo.html
Man I love how Tyson explains exactly what he’s doing and why
:)...This 9 axis stuff is amazing to see...I remember when 5 axis was the CNC du jour...
Still is for me lol
Yeah when he started saying insert lathe tools one carousel and the mill tooling in the other...😳🤤
@@Chainsawyou And, most of the rest of the industry as well...It's More'n you need in most cases...-X axis roll and yaw are luxuries...:)
We had a millturn with two turrets and two 5-ax milling spindles in a company i sadly only worked at for a few months
The guy programming it said he was honestly amazed at how often he got to use all four at once, mostly running them in two turret/spindle pairs from what i saw (using one pair on main lathe spindle and the other on the secondary)
Great vid. Well laid out. All seems so logical - which it is - but what really impresses me is the knowledge/experience it takes to be able to figure out how to program the part, and exactly what's needed.
It used to be that way, now it's much easier.
I'm a bandsaw operator at a metal distributor, supplying customers like you guys. I love seeing what sorts of things our metal may get turned into. Usually we never know. A very technical sounding material like 17-4 PH cond. H1150 always makes me curious. I think it's one of the few magnetic stainless steels i work with if memory serves me right?
Wow , im absolutely blown away 😳
You guys are awesome, I love these
Videos .
What a blessing for the youth , you can't learn like this anywhere else .
Thanks
Love these Videos , Those Machines ,Quality Content Tyson !👍
Hi titan!!. you guys do a great job. I will to love programming like you
Wow. I know what you're doing, but, geez, it's like you're speaking an alien language. The training and learning what to do for a machine like this is impressive. Wow, good job guys. I don't even have enough life in my body left to learn enpugh to do all that.
That's so awesome bro 👏 that machine is way more advanced but still very much the same principle as my Okuma LC40 and Moriseiki CNC lathes in the 80's lol I really wish I could have a spin on yours 🤗 thanks awesomely for the great and very therapeutic videos 😀
Great video 📹 love the way you organized the tools, I did the same on multus instead of T41 T100 for the lathe tools. Keep the good work 👏
Thanks all at TitansofCNC. Great explanation from Tyson! Looking forward to seeing the next installment already 🤞🤞
Great job Tyson on tool selection
Get those chips flying
I love all of your video... Titans you have a perfect machine no matter what shape of metal
Love from India🇮🇳
Keep it up
well done tyson, good explanation as always
17-4 stainless steel. The best!
Looking forward to watching part 2! :)
th-cam.com/video/vIOJTaEo9_g/w-d-xo.html
The only issue I have with putting a center into bar stock choked up and then extending it is that the center will not rotate on the new rotational centerline (especially if the stock is not straight). When you engage the center, you will force the center of the part onto the live centers rotational axis. As long as the live center is engaged, the part will rotate true , but once it is released, it will spring back. Maybe this is not an issue with this part, but I have seen many a machinist struggle to understand why they are having runout issues when utilizing this strategy. Maybe you are going to cover this later, but I figured it was worth mentioning, since this is an educational video.
Absolutely right, I don’t think they have done long shaft work before.
I was waiting for the part to be made. What happened?
Video would be to long…
It’s a series. Will come out next week.
Nah nah it's called a set up 🤣🤣🤣
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Absolutely beautifully explained video
Great video!
Glad to some some real machining content again. #backtobasics
great video a lot of information good job .
Looking forward to the next episode. Did you finish the actual aerospace part on a grinder as well or on a lathe?
a little late but the print calls out for a ground finish, id imagine it'd be the same, a shaft like that would usually be used for extremely tight toleranced alignment of parts
Excellent work
I like Tyson's videos
Great work.
Greetings from germany
Good work!!! We also have rich experience in sheet metal fab, we are a strong manufacturer in China, with high quality and competitive price.
Cool.can’t wait
Damn, these machines are so advanced and a lot of thought is invested into selecting the proper tools and way to machine the part. Meanwhile I work with old machines from the 80s. xD
this is how i like the vidz ... nice
what is the name of the live center from royal? Been looking for something like that for our sub spindle
Excellent video and like the utilization of a live center. The Husky ratchet and hex driver was a bit of let down - did not expect to see that in your shop.
Hahaha Snap On isnt for every operation. Gotta buy hand tools that get the job done. Remember that we want EVERYONE to succeed. From the 1 machine garage startup to the multi billion dollar rocket company
I'm learning I have a quick question for the rougher, noticed you used a CNMG and a DNMG. Can you elaborate on that ? Would like to learn why two roughers were used instead of one. Thanks :)
If you look at the inserts when they're loading the tool holders in the video the difference between a "C", and a "D" is the tool shape. "C" is more of a square shape for either general roughing, up to finish machining on a long, straight surface (as it is a very popular insert). "D" is a diamond shape insert for machining up to, and into sharp or tight corners or radius' where a "C" insert would not fit, or work.
i usually use a dmng when i am using my tailstock as i only have the one live centre which is pretty big :) it gives me clearance for that. i use a 3 axis x, z and c axis lathe
can't believe they set the tools in the collars without measuring the end location as it relates to the collar position when in the machine, crazy
Gee thanks for showing the part being made in action
Aw come on man don't leave me hanging, I wanted to see you make the part
Why did you decide to put the OD threader in the lower turret? I would have assumed to load it with the other OD turning tools on the 5 axis turret. What are the benefits?
Probably just for sake of the demo. Lower turret on these types of machines have a dramatically less tool change time.
You can actually hear how hard that material is when it's slid into the jaws.
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From my experience. I noticed more error when using a magnetic base w/ test indicator to find the center of a tool. I found using a co-axial indicator is more reliable and easier to use. It does require little more time setting up that co-axial indicator but it's worth it.
depends on the indicator I think, nice ones are fine with going upside down but cheapers ones will shift slightly with the change in gravity.
@Paul Pelletier typically the mag base. You put it on a solid arm and they normally do fine. Better than a coax in my experience, but not as fast
Curious why you don't use the tool setter for X of the live centre.
Could measure X+ and X-, then take the average.
Probably wants to make sure it's dead on. I would tool set, minus rad, then indicate
When it said tight tolerance, I was curious. I have had a 14 inch turn on 5/16 threaded rod that was 0.500 +0 -0.0004. That i did on a 10 year old haas tl2. Tell you what, that took some patience lol
Whyd you use two OD roghers?
That long indicator arm is going to flex so much that you would be better off not doing it like that. I measured 0.2mm flex on a proper arm when fully extended and doing 180 flip. I have a jaw that can take dial test indicator straight to it and therefore it wont flex at all for indicating centers.
I was thinking the same thing I use a coax in a collet works great, way easier to read too no mirrors
Then the mag base can be properly used to keep the coax from rotating lol
Really struggle with imperial measurements :p just taking your word on the tight tolerances :P
Who long does a job setup like this take?
All that money!
I want to see how you machine 17-4ph H900. When we machine at H1150, it machines easier than non-heattreated 17-4. But at H900, we are struggling right now! :(
We have done a ton of H900 and H900…
Especially for the Sub-Sea Industry. Will do some videos on H900 etc in the future. It’s all about the variables, correct tooling and parameters. Have you looked at our AerospaceAcademy.com we teach on machining way harder materials like A286, Monel etc. Lots of good tricks, tips and just great high level machining knowledge.
@@TITANSofCNC Oh yeah I have. I love that series! I usually check on the academy on a regular basis to see if there are new releases. I wish there was a release of new projects every week on the aerospace academy but I know it is a lot of working put that together!
I encourage all my employees to get onto your academy. That is how I see if they are truly wanting to learn machining or programming. If there is true dedication, they would have an account and be watching the videos in a few weeks. But when I ask back a few months later if they checked out Titans of CNC Academy and they say, no... then I feel there isn't true dedication to learning the trade if they won't even make the effort to learn this stuff for free!
@@VictorHernandez-nt3tw After Years of dealing with H900 and the "tooling engineers" leaving with there tail tucked between there legs because there golden tool melted in three seconds. on the milling side we think we have about figured it out. on the lathe side with stress to our customers please use 430F if possible. way way way easier to turn
@@TheOutbackIndustries You had the wrong tooling engineers.. Get Sandvik in there with some good Blasers and some high pressure coolant, you will cut H900 like butter.. We did it for 25+ years....
@@stbentoak5047 for turning?
How can a pressurized system (earth) exist inside of an ever expanding vacuum (outer space)?
Lovelt
You all do good things but 17-4 h1150 is not that hard. sometimes you guys say a material is harder than it actually is. h1150 is a good stable material to run. keep up all the good work
this also isn't even remotely a complicated setup
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Never heard of a UNJ thread before
IF this is extremely Complicated 9 Axis Set-up then I am a Grand Master 9 Axis Programmer/Set-up/Operator CNC Machinist.
Prove it! Lets see the video!
Bahahaha you sound like the boss they way you speak
He is… and He is a Bad Ass Machinist
@@TITANSofCNC so how about a BOOM! for the BAM!!
Okay, what am I missing? Why is this part being ran on a 9 axis machine? From the prints this looks to be a pretty simple part.
On the multus I turn these soort of parts without a center even longer I first make the thread and then rough the rest I even did slots milling on dia of 30 mm sticking out 650 mm super duplex if flexing of the part I run two finishing cuts with 2 tools and finish the part on the sub spindle.
Dude make a video of that! And then put it online for millions of people to tell you what you couldve done better 😂
16-18 inches hanging out machining on it all over seems pretty dicey to me. That’s going to bite you one day.
@@barrysetzer I am going to check if I can find it because some times I make videos of it.
This was the my tool I build it up even did the ball voor the valves completely ready only needed a polis no extra grinding in super duplex. th-cam.com/video/H7RSL4rPZXI/w-d-xo.html
Where’s the 650mm hangout?
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Used to make the same part. That diameter gets a thread.
I think 17-4 machines better hardened
Yep, breaks that chip
That material is heat treated??
What’s up Alex😁
Yes… it’s H1150
You can google it to find our more about that spec
@@TITANSofCNC I machine 17-4 ph almost every week. I'm doing 4"x20" shafts this week that are H1075 and it is no fun! The thing I'm most curious about is the insert grades for the lathe. I've gone through so many different grades and chip breakers and nothing lasts long in that stuff. Can't wait to see the machining video! I run a new 6 axis lathe but you're machine makes me drool 😆 I want it
@@TITANSofCNC awesome. It just didn't look heat treated, maybe they did it in a vacuum. I am used to seeing the outside with color. I cut H900 every day. Sick machine!
@@Zontics kennametal KCU10, sandvik 1115
@@alexkern9134 bought a box of the sandvik grade 1115 but unfortunately it's worse than the insert I currently use with recommended speeds/ feeds. Oh well, was worth the shot
Price this machine???
"This beast here is about 18 inches long."
Brag about it...
I bet these guys could build the lego firestation in about 3 minutes, just sayin.
I could barely manage X,Y,Z,A and that was with Mastercam. With more time maybe.
Omg it 18” long?? That’s going me a raging clue right now
My question is how do yall keep your machines so clean
We clean them daily
@@TITANSofCNC how long is set aside each day for that?
@@nikkismith5078 at my shop we take the last 15 min to 30 min every day to sweep and wash out the machines and we get compliments from costumers about how clean our shop is compared to others which is good to hear
@@Zontics I really love to hear that some people still clean the machine... I'm an apprentice and my task for now is restoring a 8 year old tool changer with 2-3mm of rust in there
I try to clean my machines in between each job. But with the amount of work I have it's hard to stay on top of.. and coolant changes are few and far between
Blueballed! But a nice vid, nevertheless! 🖖😀
Sir I need a job in cnc
What's a unj thread? Never heard of it
UNJ threads have a controlled root radius. It common in aerospace work. The root radius helps keep the root of the thread from being a stress riser and failing at that point.
@@brandons9138 for some reason I thought iso threads already had it and threading inserts weren't a sharp 60° V.
@@randomidiot8142 You are correct, most threading inserts are not dead sharp. They will have some kind of corner radius of some size. Whether it conforms to the UNJ spec is another question. Inserts that are ground to make UNJ threads will have a corner radius that meets the UNJ spec. With a UNJ thread the radius at the root is a specified size, if it it out of spec, it is a bad thread.
It was hard to watch when you finding the center of this tools using indicator on looong arm. What about parallelism and perpendicularity?
Geometry should be fine out of the box, but with that long weak indicator arm he'll definitely end up off-center
Most of the tools look like new, unused.
The arm length doesn't matter. There's not enough pressure to deflect the arm with just indicator tip pressure.
@@randomidiot8142 gravity is enough to pull it
@@Runkpapper I realized later you were talking about a different arm. How do you fix it? Carbide arms? Carbon fiber arms? Ditch the indicator mount completely? If the deflection was bad enough to cause significant issues, you'd think the practice would be avoided. Gravity should be consistent, why couldn't you learn your tools and know the difference to compensate for it?
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Hey I'm impressed with you guys making these components, but try holding these tolerances on crap machines and doing it and give me a call.
where's the rest??
H1150 isn't hardened it's just as hard as annealed but it machines better and is less gummy
Gotta trust whoever your running behind to trust that tool setter!!! Why not set X on the live center with the tool setter? At least your close when you go sweep it in.
For a center you would be good enough to set the x to whatever the tool body is at, say 100mm and z the same. Then you dial in the x proper.
when you turn on the godmode
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Seguís ,trabajando en pulgadas un sistema super complicado ,aparte las vistas de los planos las giras en sentido contrario a los planos europeos
Sir I am coching for cnc .please listen the channel.
I like the sound control on the walls. I'm assuming it's for sound and you're not in an asylum..
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Guess I missed 6 of the axis's.
H1150? We ran tens of thousands of pounds' of 15-5 H900 Solid bar including deep hole drilling and intricate ID grooving for Aerospace applications. HT in 4 ft bars then barfed complete at H900. Okuma LTM's and EX 3000's... Want to really move out on parts like this? Put ChipBlasters on all your machines....
So you guys forgot to machine the part? Why half video?
It’s a series… all videos are on our channel
Yo
I kept waiting for the complicated part of this setup. Maybe in the second half of the video. Loading tools is not complicated.
Neither is leaving a youtube comment. Way to go champ
@@barrysetzer I didn't title my post as being complicated though did I? This video is seriously trainee level stuff being called complicated. I spent my first year and half in the trade working the tool crib. At least stop with the overly hyperbolic titles. This is the definition of clickbait.
It all depends on what level youre at. Are you doing 80” diameter inconel blisks on a 27 axis machine with upper/lower turrets with live tools and steady rests and live centers and a mill spindle? Congrats, youre .01% of our audience. Whats easy for me just might blow your mind. Be mindful of perspective.
@@barrysetzer You're right that sounds complicated. Problem is, that's not what is shown in this video. Keep in mind we are talking bout THIS VIDEO and it's overly sensationalized clickbait title.
I work on the opposite end of that spectrum. I make parts where you can fit thousands of them in your hand. One sneeze and you can lose a whole shifts worth of work. At my shop work in titanium with tools that you can barely see without magnification. We make a medical implantable part that we thread mill a M.8X.2 ID. With tooling like that even handling the tools is difficult.
Heavy ass stainless steel on an aero space project huh?
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Reading these comments sounds like you all want to blow him, not that hard guys learn your trade then learn your machine and everyone makes money kinda the whole point of being more than a button pusher, can't wait for the dissatisfaction of this comment but very truthful.
While you button boy's are still fiddle farting around with your fancy stuff, I'll have that ready to be finish ground in an hour and a half or less. On an old Mori engine lathe and a Bridge Port Mill.
Wow that was disappointing
Not bad but,
Extremely complicated...?
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Not one Sliver, but enough bla bla bla for two Books.
Are you actually kidding me? you never ever centre drill a part and the pull it out to where you want to machine it. Check this out. After you have machined the part take the centre out and put a DTI in the centre hole, running true? I think not. You might get away with it if you are only gripping on approx 10m in your jaws but any more than that when you remove the centre you are in a world of runout.
Exactly what I was going to write. Your right on. You can not do that. Part must be out at full length then you center it so that your center is running true to your spindle
Lol you guys obviously are NOT accustomed to huge material stickout
@@barrysetzer acti am work with it a lot
The way he did that is incorrect do to the fact that he center drilled it and then moved it. If you close in the video the part that he turned is not running concentric. Most pet think by sticking a center in it that it will be correct IT IS NOT once the center is removed the part will spring back and will not be concentric
@@joesebalj1962 What's your solution then? If the part stick-out is so long that you can't even center it? (I'm not saying that is true for the part in the video, this one he could absolutely center it)
@@shadowdsfire a face driver
Cheater🙄
::yawn:: $12 an hour knowledge. May be useful if you live in China.