In this video we compare the Marui MWS ZET system to the VFC Mil-spec/ Mil-sim system and try to find out what is the best GBB system for your first GBBR.
Thanks for taking the time to break the guns down! I already ordered a VFC but Im happy with my choice as we want to be as close to real steel as possible!
Good LORD!!! That lower receiver (VFC Mil spec) is almost identical to the full auto M-16/AR-15's we have here in the USA. That back piece in the lower is very much like the legit auto sear on a factory NFA Class 3 lower. Excellent video.
Get TM shoots well, smooth cycle, efficient, works every time. Get VFC for realistic milsim experience, interchangeable parts with ar15 ie. Charging handle, buffer tube, buffer, buffer spring & buttstock.
Not sure if you are already doing it but I do recommend using a ptfe grease instead of silicone. The silicone tends to displace easily and gets into places where it really shouldn't and causes a need for more maintenance than necessary
@@aceace6001For me Super lube sells PTFE grease and synthetic silicone oil. If I want a smoother feel I'll do half silicone oil and half PTFE grease. Otherwise Super lube PTFE all the way
Great review! I would point out, though, that you definitely don't need to clean/relube your gun after every game if you are using proper ptfe grease. Unless you are shooting like 2k rounds a game.
Im just throwing this out there, been playing for over a decade and got a KWA 416A4. Uses LM4 mags but new hop up, and bucking and for a stock gun it's been a hammer. Shoots a bit hot, but for a gun that you only need to slap a barrel in if you want and bucking rubber it's pretty awesome. None of the old LM4 problems
I have some VFC AR models and others from VFC. Cleaning after a few games is not necessary. They run and run. On some models the hopup is not so good but otherwise no problems. I'm glad I chose VFC. BTW nice video.
I have 6 - 7 GBBR,most of them are VFC products, one is KWA, honestly every single VFC gbb rifle has one or two issues, particularly bolt catch failure, dust covering spring issue. I bought URGI from TM recently although its a bit pricy, here is my comments for TM, 1/ great finishing, 2/ accuracy perfect, 3/ Very solid , no wobbling at all, including stock, 4/ beautiful packing, the only weak point is the coil is not so good as VFC.
Do you have bolt catch issues with the vfc and how is it solved/what is the cause? Is it parts wearing down over time, and if so which part the bolt catch or the bolt itself? This is why I’ve always leaned towards zet system as I value reliability over realism in an airsoft gun I want to game with
@@Wolfman_NV there is no way to fix it, i got the issues when 416a5, URGI, both of them were brand new, i tried all possibly methodology to fix it which learning from various youtube clips, still no luck at all. I have kwa m4 with no issues, I have mws URGI which is perfect.
@@tseyou5981 that’s troubling.. thanks for the reply. With my old lm4 it was always the bolt wearing down where it catches, only way to fix was getting a new bolt. Are your 416 and urgi v3? Was hoping it might be sorted with the new gens. No one seems to talk about it much but sounds like it’s still an issue..
Nice video TM MWS is da best😁 btw I love to support people who put their own money to review this kind of amazing video just like you did👍 Great work keep it up
Thank you and you've answered a few questions that I have had for a while now. However, can you please refrain it as 'a replica' (10:10) and not 'a weapon'? It can cause you demonitizing plus it gives new players the wrong perspective and learning them the wrong terminology. Other then that, I really liked your video! 👍
Honestly, my biggest gripe with VFC is them using epoxy glue on some parts or screws. Just destroyed a MP7 bolt carrier, because the screws were epoxied and made out of butter.... similar with my buddy's G3, where they epoxied the nut holding the gas tube to the front sight.
Hi there, the mws buffertube will fit milspec stocks, but depending on the manufacturer, the amount of wobble varies. If you're still not sure, then you can swap it out for an Angry Gun buffertube for mws that's one piece and milspec. Hope that helps.
Hola, depende de qué tan realista prefieras tu réplica y si la usarás en exteriores o en interiores. Si es realismo, entonces VFC, si es en interiores, entonces Tokyo Marui.
Hi there, depending on your location and local climate, you can use most gases in a TM mws gbbr. I will say, propane being slightly higher pressure than regular store baught green gas means it will add more wear to parts, in particular the nozzle return spring and polymer buffer etc... In the end, it comes down to your personal situation. If you live in hot and humid climates, then lower power gases are fine if you live in cold climates, the higher pressure gases are the way to go. Most green gases come with a silicone lubricant inside, which helps you with mantinance and reduces excessive wear on key parts.
Hi there, there are many now on the market. If you're after, out of the box skirmishability, then TM is definitely a good option with its huge list of aftermarket parts and suppliers. If it's realism them the gen3 vfc is a great one.
I dont care what anybody says gbbr was meant to be as realistic as it gets. Reliability of course you want that but if you go by tokyo maruis thinking an aeg is or hpa is the best gbbr. Cause Reliability
Hi there, due to youtube new policy, I can't give you direct links, but a good place to start is defcon airsoft or daves custome airsoft if you're in the uk. If you want to import, then wgcshop. Hope that helps.
Hi there, the mws system is great for people wanting to get into gas rifles. The vfc is more for people who favour realism. Both are amazing. It's down to the individual preference.
I have a double eagle n4 and so far I’ve had to spend a few quid to get it to work first problem was the hop unit was constantly getting stuck had to change it then I had to buy a new bolt cause of issues I’ve had to buy 2 nozzles as they both broke and now I’ve had to replace the whole trigger assembly due to issues my opinion just buy a Tokyo mauri mws is going for the zet system don’t buy the DE version
TM is in a paradoxical existence. They managed to patent the ZETA gbb system with the WTO but theyve been stuffing that system in products featuring unauthorized trademarks
@@pyroromancer I’m not mad about “unauthorized trade marks” lol. You seem to be tho. *Pokes with TM MWS with unlicensed trade marks just to piss you off*
i owned 1 mws. Had fun with it. its rail is not real "NATO PICATINNY" spec. So some rails and scope mounts by highend real branded accessories would not fit. It will not specifically accomodate A.R.M.S. mounts which sucks major ass if you want perfection. I am anal. i have now 5 x vcf gbbr AR upper sets. the big plus of vfc is REAL spec threads for the barrel nut. as for MWS, it is just MARUI AEG Spec. The buffer tube threads of the marui is Marui MWS Spec. it is propietary. Only they have that stupid spec. The castle nut of the MWS Is some weak metal. It will deform and scratch easily. If you are anal, there is an aftermarket part. Just beware, some will claim it is MWS compatible, but they are not. Trial and error. Sorry, I forgot which brand scammed me, and it was probably some china brand. Also, another thing that sucks with the MWS buffer tube is its finish. Lighly anodized and it is pure ugly black. Like WTF black? The VFC has real aluminum just similar to REAL Spec. Only differerence would just be the aluminum composition.
Yea idk what this guy is talking about, all of my stock tm mags have been amazing, 4 years with countless 1000s of rounds and all I’ve ever had to do is clean and relube maybe once a year if they develop a leak and they’re good for another year of abuse
Thanks for taking the time to break the guns down! I already ordered a VFC but Im happy with my choice as we want to be as close to real steel as possible!
Just clicked on the video, and given your previous videos on the SR16 and Gen2 vs Gen 3, i know its gonna be a blast! Great work man
As a newbie myself , Probably one of the best video explaining what’s MWS and comparing them.
Thanks! Yet another great video keep it up! 👍🏾💯
Thank you so much!!!!
Good LORD!!! That lower receiver (VFC Mil spec) is almost identical to the full auto M-16/AR-15's we have here in the USA. That back piece in the lower is very much like the legit auto sear on a factory NFA Class 3 lower. Excellent video.
Get TM shoots well, smooth cycle, efficient, works every time. Get VFC for realistic milsim experience, interchangeable parts with ar15 ie. Charging handle, buffer tube, buffer, buffer spring & buttstock.
But VFC works every time too^^
Not sure if you are already doing it but I do recommend using a ptfe grease instead of silicone. The silicone tends to displace easily and gets into places where it really shouldn't and causes a need for more maintenance than necessary
SO witch one do you think i can get.. i want the best one money is not a issue
@@aceace6001For me Super lube sells PTFE grease and synthetic silicone oil.
If I want a smoother feel I'll do half silicone oil and half PTFE grease. Otherwise Super lube PTFE all the way
Great review!
I would point out, though, that you definitely don't need to clean/relube your gun after every game if you are using proper ptfe grease. Unless you are shooting like 2k rounds a game.
Im just throwing this out there, been playing for over a decade and got a KWA 416A4. Uses LM4 mags but new hop up, and bucking and for a stock gun it's been a hammer. Shoots a bit hot, but for a gun that you only need to slap a barrel in if you want and bucking rubber it's pretty awesome. None of the old LM4 problems
RS sling plates work on the MWS. The buffer tube externally is RS spec it’s internally that it isn’t. Hense why you can’t put a H2 buffer inside
I have some VFC AR models and others from VFC. Cleaning after a few games is not necessary. They run and run. On some models the hopup is not so good but otherwise no problems. I'm glad I chose VFC. BTW nice video.
Is gbb a big thing in the us? A lot of vids see if gameplay from over the pond seems to hpa
I have 6 - 7 GBBR,most of them are VFC products, one is KWA, honestly every single VFC gbb rifle has one or two issues, particularly bolt catch failure, dust covering spring issue. I bought URGI from TM recently although its a bit pricy, here is my comments for TM, 1/ great finishing, 2/ accuracy perfect, 3/ Very solid , no wobbling at all, including stock, 4/ beautiful packing, the only weak point is the coil is not so good as VFC.
Hi what gas do you use on ur tokyo marui?
@@darrengoh4338 propane....
Do you have bolt catch issues with the vfc and how is it solved/what is the cause? Is it parts wearing down over time, and if so which part the bolt catch or the bolt itself? This is why I’ve always leaned towards zet system as I value reliability over realism in an airsoft gun I want to game with
@@Wolfman_NV there is no way to fix it, i got the issues when 416a5, URGI, both of them were brand new, i tried all possibly methodology to fix it which learning from various youtube clips, still no luck at all. I have kwa m4 with no issues, I have mws URGI which is perfect.
@@tseyou5981 that’s troubling.. thanks for the reply. With my old lm4 it was always the bolt wearing down where it catches, only way to fix was getting a new bolt. Are your 416 and urgi v3? Was hoping it might be sorted with the new gens. No one seems to talk about it much but sounds like it’s still an issue..
Nice video TM MWS is da best😁 btw I love to support people who put their own money to review this kind of amazing video just like you did👍 Great work keep it up
I love both of my TM MK18 and my VFC MP5.
Love my VFC BCM
Thank you and you've answered a few questions that I have had for a while now. However, can you please refrain it as 'a replica' (10:10) and not 'a weapon'? It can cause you demonitizing plus it gives new players the wrong perspective and learning them the wrong terminology.
Other then that, I really liked your video! 👍
Honestly, my biggest gripe with VFC is them using epoxy glue on some parts or screws. Just destroyed a MP7 bolt carrier, because the screws were epoxied and made out of butter.... similar with my buddy's G3, where they epoxied the nut holding the gas tube to the front sight.
As a collector and backyard plinker, Mil-Spec all the way.
Is there an mws buffer tube that is 1:1 milspec size for real steel stocks?
Hi there, the mws buffertube will fit milspec stocks, but depending on the manufacturer, the amount of wobble varies. If you're still not sure, then you can swap it out for an Angry Gun buffertube for mws that's one piece and milspec. Hope that helps.
You can use a rs buffer tube with vfc and run an H buffer weight 3oz for better recoil
Saludos, cual es mejor para sacar de la caja y que funcione perfectamente sin modificaciones? Gracias
Hola, depende de qué tan realista prefieras tu réplica y si la usarás en exteriores o en interiores. Si es realismo, entonces VFC, si es en interiores, entonces Tokyo Marui.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk gracias
Can the TM use regular propane or is it made for weaker duster gas?
Hi there, depending on your location and local climate, you can use most gases in a TM mws gbbr. I will say, propane being slightly higher pressure than regular store baught green gas means it will add more wear to parts, in particular the nozzle return spring and polymer buffer etc... In the end, it comes down to your personal situation. If you live in hot and humid climates, then lower power gases are fine if you live in cold climates, the higher pressure gases are the way to go. Most green gases come with a silicone lubricant inside, which helps you with mantinance and reduces excessive wear on key parts.
Good and clear content!
I know I'm late but can you put a real steel rail system on the VFC?
i think yes
I’ve already changed my mind from the mws to the Vfc all I’d like to know is how does the range and accuracy compare to the mws? Great video btw
Hi there, the newer vfc rifles have been awesome, holding a 2" to 6" group out to 20m stock, but like all airsoft gbbrs have a lot of potential.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk that is perfect thank you for you’re reply. The Vfc is a thing of beauty
I will tell you something. For GBBR are HPA adapters. :D I think it will be cheaper than gas mags, and constant power/fps. ;)
What VFC rifle did you use in the video?
Hi there, the rifle from vfc was there. Knights Armament SR16 E3 Mod2 gen3 from 2023.
Does dry firing these cause any problems?
Hi there, so far i have not had any issues with regards to dryfire, so long as the replica is lubricated correctly, there should not be a problem.
what is that eotech lens protector!
The lens protector is a flash kill from wadsn. They make them for most models. There only airsoft grade, but they do work. I got mine off eBay.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk i see, do the lines disrupt your sight or vision in any way?
What is the best mk18 out there
Hi there, there are many now on the market. If you're after, out of the box skirmishability, then TM is definitely a good option with its huge list of aftermarket parts and suppliers. If it's realism them the gen3 vfc is a great one.
I'd go with the Double Eagle N4 GBBR because it's cheap but very good... and if you want to get a TM later on after more experience then fair enough
But why go with tm?I had over 6 tm mws and tbh de outshines them
I dont care what anybody says gbbr was meant to be as realistic as it gets. Reliability of course you want that but if you go by tokyo maruis thinking an aeg is or hpa is the best gbbr. Cause Reliability
Link to both versions at affordable legit website? I would like to experience owning a VFC version anyonr have a link for that?
Hi there, due to youtube new policy, I can't give you direct links, but a good place to start is defcon airsoft or daves custome airsoft if you're in the uk. If you want to import, then wgcshop. Hope that helps.
WHats the best one?
Hi there, the mws system is great for people wanting to get into gas rifles. The vfc is more for people who favour realism. Both are amazing. It's down to the individual preference.
AEGs where never an option for me :D i only bought one so i had one without cooldown if necessary
I have a double eagle n4 and so far I’ve had to spend a few quid to get it to work first problem was the hop unit was constantly getting stuck had to change it then I had to buy a new bolt cause of issues I’ve had to buy 2 nozzles as they both broke and now I’ve had to replace the whole trigger assembly due to issues my opinion just buy a Tokyo mauri mws is going for the zet system don’t buy the DE version
TM is in a paradoxical existence. They managed to patent the ZETA gbb system with the WTO but theyve been stuffing that system in products featuring unauthorized trademarks
Cry about it
@@nateb9346 u mad bruh? **pokes with stick**
@@pyroromancer I’m not mad about “unauthorized trade marks” lol. You seem to be tho.
*Pokes with TM MWS with unlicensed trade marks just to piss you off*
@@nateb9346 u wot m8
Lmaoo, this was fun to watch
10 ad in 20 mins wtf
Apologies, TH-cam is being broke again, I will see what I can do.
Im sticking to my GHK M4.
Feed lips instantly crack
🤣@@opairsoft8100
Vfc and TM are only $100 less than a GHK what are you in about? 😂
Everyone knows, Golden Eagle WA clone rifles are best :D
why?
@@KikoBG12 Price, aftermarket parts, potential for upgrades, compatibilites with GHK.
False.
Nah VFC v3 for the win! ( TM MWS close second)
We all know that springers are the best come on
i owned 1 mws. Had fun with it. its rail is not real "NATO PICATINNY" spec. So some rails and scope mounts by highend real branded accessories would not fit. It will not specifically accomodate A.R.M.S. mounts which sucks major ass if you want perfection. I am anal. i have now 5 x vcf gbbr AR upper sets. the big plus of vfc is REAL spec threads for the barrel nut. as for MWS, it is just MARUI AEG Spec. The buffer tube threads of the marui is Marui MWS Spec. it is propietary. Only they have that stupid spec. The castle nut of the MWS Is some weak metal. It will deform and scratch easily. If you are anal, there is an aftermarket part. Just beware, some will claim it is MWS compatible, but they are not. Trial and error. Sorry, I forgot which brand scammed me, and it was probably some china brand. Also, another thing that sucks with the MWS buffer tube is its finish. Lighly anodized and it is pure ugly black. Like WTF black? The VFC has real aluminum just similar to REAL Spec. Only differerence would just be the aluminum composition.
TM stock Mags suck you need to mention that
wdym, they're great
Yea idk what this guy is talking about, all of my stock tm mags have been amazing, 4 years with countless 1000s of rounds and all I’ve ever had to do is clean and relube maybe once a year if they develop a leak and they’re good for another year of abuse