The Normalizer by Hornet / Auto Gain Staging - every daw should have this
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- Hornet has just released an update to a plugin called "The Normalizer" and made me do this video. The plugin is almost perfect except for the fact that it doesn't have a threshold for the analyzer. Auto Gain Staging should be an integrated part of all DAWs. Setting the right outplut volume is an easy task for a computer. But for now we have to rely on plugins. polarity-dnb.d...
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Hi!! thank you very much for the nice video :) I'm going to reply to your two questions :)
1. threshold issue: well this is a nice suggestion indeed we could probably code a relative threshold (like the one that is present in the integrated LUFS mode) that will probably solve your issue.
2. different plugins for the same thing: i don't think those plugins are identical, keep in mind that there are a lot of different use case, I sometimes record live drums and to have a visual VU Meter it's very helpful in setting the gains with real preamp knobs (many cheap interfaces doesn't have VU meters and the software they come with only has Peak Meters, that are useless IMHO in digital recording). Also there is an historical reason, both VU Meter and LU Meter are "meters with added auto gain feature" they are not built around the auto gain concept, in fact the whole auto gain algorithm in those plugins uses the actual meter reading to tune the gain. The Normalizer instead throws away all the meter stuff and only concentrates on automatic gain control using a more refined algorithm and saves as much CPU as possible.
The AutoGain and AutoGain Pro plugins are a complete beast altogether and use an external reference (or internal in the AutoGain Pro case) but don't have any exact correlation with levels, everything inside of them is relative since the aim is to keep the plugin input as even as the reference provided, the don't even uses RMS, VU or LUFS as internal measurement, we strictly speak "voltage level" here :)
If you have more questions or suggestions let them through!
Saverio
Hi Saverio, was the threshold added?.I would like to get this plugin if yes.
Gino Tarabotto not yet sorry!
Hornet. I love your plungins but I agree. It is confusing on your site what to choose. Just make one multiool and price it like 20 or 25 bucks. I'll be happy to buy it.
Monsoon Soul hi, no I haven't. I found I enjoy more just doing manual/traditional gain staging. Merry Christmas
Yeah a threshold
I'm pretty much blown away by what the Hornet guy (guys?) are doing. They're a bit of a hidden gem, and I really appreciate the affordability of their plugins. I want the full suite, but picking them up bit by bit over time is fine too. Great video.
This is an excellent and useful production information video. I surely wish I had come across this sooner. It would have saved so much time but better late than never. Also, I really appreciate the technical aspect from a workflow perspective. This video definitely gave me more than a few ideas of how to approach gain staging as well as other considerations. Thank you for this "think outside of the box" information. You certainly gave the techs at Hornet something to think about.
In bitwig style, it should be a default effect: Set the desired level, measures audio over a period of time to determine the reduction of amplification level. If the gain peaks above the set level if either warns “red clipping line” or uses an automatic setting to adjust itself. The effect just needs a threshold on the low & high setting to set the active. Added a simple low and high cut would make it even more useful, this could set the focus on a specific band.
Perfect video. Thank you. And also you are using my favorite DAW - Bitwig Studio ;)
Thanks I bought this for the sale price couple of weeks ago a bargain really for the job it does I agree with you about the threshold function though that's really all it needs
Just create request ticket for it wit lick to this video and pot it in description so we can vote it. I agree with you. As a DJ autogain is uded for over 25 years in DJ software. I haven't touched (virtual) gain knob in years an this is crucial part of mixing.
I completely agree. Something like a utility that you could drop on every track to toggle something like normalization would be great. There's a lot of basic manual tasks in mixing and audio work that would really benefit from automation. Why all EQ's don't have a normalize button to compensate for increased/decreased gain I'll never understand. Matching inputs and outputs is a common task that computers are definitely faster at. (In the case of EQ for example, the EQ knows exactly how much gain or attenuation it's applying to the signal)
Fabfilter Pro Q3 does this. Although you can't set a target value. It will more or less do the eq changes and keep the same level as the input
@@Dyallo1988 Yeah, more fabfilter stuff is on my list for sure. Pro MB for dyn eq and Pro q 3 for general stuff.
They seem to be the standard for a reason (plus the amazing interfaces)
@@Tarnith that is definitely the software bundle I'm the most happy with :)
Acon Equalize has auto-gain.
If you use the VU meter for recording it needs to be the first tool in the chain or you can use it as part of the mastering process after the fact.
Thanks, just bought it!! :)
Great plugin presentation.
Just started using it. I agree with everything that's been said in this video. And they still haven't added the threshold.....*tears*
Look for „gain aim“ or my „auto level“ preset 🤓
Look who also got the update email :P. Also, other than the gate, you might want to invest in an NS1/WNS and an Acon DeVerb license for your voice over. The noise is quite grating.
YEEESSSS MAN YOU ARE SO RIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks good explanation.
8:50 had me rolling man... Which is the SAME plug in!!! 🤣😂😅
Saverio trying to get over on us man!
Just kidding Saverio lol
Thanks fort the walk through. I was wondering, do you need to put th vu meter before as well as after processing for auto gain staging?
After gain staging or The normalizer, the volume on the faders has to be adjusted. Is there a plugin like the Waves Vocal Rider? For example for the bass, for the kick for the piano and other instruments ?
Hey, thank you for this useful video! I'm totally new to audio editing. I have a single track that last about 7-10 mins. It only contains my voice, so basically I'm just talking and unfortunately during video editing I realized my voice audio level frequently goes up and down meaning I may start speaking louder or quieter. What I did before? For example I could cut my audio into many pieces just cutting fragments that either loud or quiet and then use Normalization function in my editor to adjust the volume of all tracks. But it's not perfect and takes a lot of time to cut the single track into many many small fragments. I wonder if this plugin could help to quickly make the whole track equal in audio level? Thank you!
Seriously! every single DAW, especially Bitwig
Could you not make a modulator which controls a button which switches the normalizer on/off if there is no input under the treshold?
@Baphometrix just did that and sended me the patch :) works ok so far
@@PolarityMusic Do you have a solution to this yet? I have watched this about 20 times and love the idea!
I love your English ❤️
so do i put normalizer before or after other effects?
My guess, that this "auto gain staging" is not integrated into every DAW, is because it would be a strain on computer resources. Especially if it were to be on every track automatically and have the different instances "talking" to each other a la iZotope Neutron. The admins in charge of marketing these DAWs are taking into account older computers and slower computers; not everyone has a supercharged audio production workhorse. This way the DAW companies get a larger market share.
Gain is just basically a single multiplication operation. It's not computationally intensive. If it's just for gain-staging, you only have to do it once. For levelling, it's per sample. You might need look-ahead too.
thanks for the video. i have just bought the normalizer. a reason why its not intengrated in daw's might be that it cost performance. how much i am not sure yet. just from the look on your video. it does. or maybe i am mistaken and you have a lot of other plugins running that are out of the view
Hi, I think for how aggressive / creative you are with the EQ, "HoRNet CLMS" is the best option, it is designed to compensate for the perception of sound with the FX chain. It has a module that is put at the beginning, and another module that is put at the end of the chain.
Mainly it is to evaluate if the modifications made by the FX improve or not the original sound.
But from the beginning, the original sound should not be very loud, and even less if you are going to use analog emulation VST.
It is my opinion, but even if they are not used, the FX manual is rarely read, where it usually reports the range in dBVU or in dBFS recommended for audio input. So generally -18dBFS or 0dBVU is a good level. And if you want to "warm up" the FX, -16dBFS or + 2dBVU, for example with tape saturation.
great video!
Hi, thank you for the great video. I'm pretty new to mixing. If I use the normalizer plugin in each channel, and increase the fader for channel 1 to make it louder than track 2, would track 1 be louder if both channels have this plugin set to say -6 db? I'm using fl studio 20.
Auto Gain it's should be in every DAW, I hope bitwig will take first place =)
Is this compressing within a long time frame, or listening to absolutely the entire track, noting it's loudest point and bringing the entire track gain down until that loudest point reaching the desired peak.
i think its like gain riding. Like if you would constantly move the Volume fader up and down manualy to even out loudness jumps. Mixing engineers used to do this and some still do. In real time. Its a standard but people have stopped doing it cause it requires a lot of skill and training but today it is obsolete in most cases
It's a static level, just as you understood.
Good thing, did't know how to use Auto gain.
OK. I used LU meter on every channel and made auto gain. How do I write it down to sample sin Bitwig to keep it permanent? I want to set gain and then render volume to file and remove plugin to mix rest to the song. Any ideas how to do it. Bounce in place does not work. It ignores plugin.
use "bounce" and choose "post fx"
Pro mode: Build this in The Grid.
May I know why you are setting reference as -23lufs? please guide me.
To have enough room before peaks go over 0db? Depends on your material.
Maybe this review made the prize go up: HoRNet TheNormalizer is now 9.99 euro. HoRNet AutoGain Pro seems to close the gap for 21,99,-
Perhaps only the sale is just over :)
you have gain stage on the fx plugin
Normalizer is on sale half price right now. Feb 3.
These should be build in into bitwig as standard
I am looking for a plugin that can do this. However, I’m concerned about it creating amplitude modulation because in your video I see it adjusting the level every second. Is it measuring momentary or short term? Or is there a way to adjust it’s volume adjusting speed?
i think you can lock the volume. i prefer for such tasks dpMeter5, where you push a button to set the volume. or take a look at GainAim which also features a lock function, so the volume doesnt adjust all the time :)
@@PolarityMusic Thank you so much! Exactly what I meant!
Hey, great video, is their latency? I would like to use this in my livesetup so different vst synths and presets have the same level all the time?
i dont think there is much latency. you can also try my auto level preset first if you use bitwig. bascially zero latency and free: th-cam.com/video/MsWodF8B9uM/w-d-xo.html maybe its too agressive, but give it a try
@@PolarityMusic omg that's freakin' amazing!! Gonna try it out torrow! Tx!!
@@PolarityMusic ok so this really incredible!! When playing live I still can play softer notes on piano. Thank you so much!!!
nice!
do you know the perception plugin?
check the last reaper update! :)
TBproaudio has a free one called AB Level Match for those of you who want a free one :)
what sample pack is that?
Lol it must be getting late when you made this, f.lux kicked in!
heh, Yeah, you're right. I didn't even notice.
Could you throw this on the master channel?
Sure why not?
It should be pretty trivial to make this in FX Grid now shouldn't it. Sort of makes it plugin-less :)
yo, i made something like this in the grid a while ago th-cam.com/video/1IRPS1EXaJY/w-d-xo.html
@@PolarityMusic alright, nice one!
Meanwhile, Hornet did implement a threshold in 'the normalizer'.
really? nice! ill have to check it out :D
@@PolarityMusic next feature request probably to 'lock' the calculated value :).
The hornet meters are not accurate.. Shows a difference of 1 to 2 dB difference when compared to the bx meter and the ab metric meter.. Try it out with a pre measured sound and see for yourself..
Yea I know. I switched to the free dp meter :)
Auto gain is not integrated into Bitwig so Grid experts like you get a chance to build that themselves.
Letimix Gainmatch is in my opinion superior to even Perception, although admittedly it's a more recent plugin since 2019 and this video. /watch?v=Zj_3TiRX_3M
Continuous auto gain staging would completely kill all dynamics and emotion in music. Take for example a piano piece, where parts of it are played very loud while other parts very soft. If auto gain staging would change this so everything is at the same level, the piano piece will become extremely boring and without emotion.
I'm sorry, but continuous auto gain staging is the worst idea ever. For certain tasks no computer will ever be able to replace a human.
Even when you have a quiet piano piece you still want a avg loudness level, no one wants to listen to it at -30lufs.
@@PolarityMusic A lot of music has both quiet and loud parts. You can't just make a whole piece of music all the same level, that would completely destroy the piece. It's basically the same as putting a limiter like Fabfilter Pro L2 on it and setting the gain to maximum. It will also kill all transients and dynamics.
It can be great for electronic music, but definitely not for anything acoustic.
Think further down the processing chain, where adding color Eq or stauration starts to increase the volume. Volume correction can keep it down so as to not fool the ears
This works for arrangements where there's not a lot of intended dynamics within each track. Which is true for most electronic and pop music.
@@PolarityMusic Absolutely. Plus, having the option to disable or enable would not hurt at all. That way everyone's happy.