The fact that your friend told you to fold and influenced the outcome of the hand is not cool at all. I’ve seen some borderline stuff on this vlog but that moment there is a big no no man. Get kicked out of the poker room not cool.
Yeah that’s actually fucked up, he didn’t even think to mention how unethical it was for that guy to say that… I try to be objective about stuff like this but I can see why people get frustrated about this guy. It’s not all one sided.. I also like how he folded KJ off to all the previous all ins, then when the guy mucks by accident he acts like he’s always calling and he owes him money. This one got to me… then just acts like he’s owed 250 bucks.. feels super entitled.. ‘I’m fair, give me your money that’s fair right?’ Whats fair to be is dude takes his money back and you just go to the next hand with a maniac. Also I feel like it’s important to at least mention how utterly unethical it is for that guy to tell you to fold. Utterly fucked
Yeah, wtf? You have the biggest whale possible sitting at your table and you kind of cheated to gain even more edge on him. You seem like an honest player, gotta know this is wrong.
Your buddy telling you to fold, that's colluding, a huge no no, you should know this in the integrity of the game and if you follow a lot of a big poker vloggers they would tell you the same thing, it's short term thinking vs long term if you wanna make it in poker. As for the whale folding his cards, also a short term way of thinking even if you wake up with aces, he made an error and you're trying to take advantage of him, fold and move on, he's there just spewing away money, you piss him off he gets off that table and it's back to being miserable. It's not always about the money and what you think is fair, if you wanna continue in this community just be a good person, you're already crushing, why fuck it up? Remember what comes around goes around.
You're totally in the right with the issue that occurred with the floor man. I can't believe the floor made a decision like that. It's his responsibility to his cards PERIOD!
This is the dark side of poker. One guy is going all in every hand for whatever reason, probably emotionally stressed or drunk and everyone else is finally thinking, "I can pay my rent this month."
It’s weird. A lot of players get annoyed at people who play like this. And I get it to an extent. If you want to play real poker you won’t be able to. But if you want to make money, a player doing this is great! Just wait for a good hand and call. Yes, they can get lucky with a bad hand or get lucky and wake up with a good hand. But luck will always be apart of poker
When the maniac goes all in and mucks his cards, his stack belongs to you. Any other ruling by the floor is insane. Honestly, I don't even understand what the floor is thinking here.
Yea but like the floor said if he woulda called before he mucked it woulda been cool but he only tried to call because he knew he folded if u look earlier In the video he folded king jack preflop wen the guy raised now all of a sudden he would have called 😂 yea rite
Idk what's crazier about this video. That absurd floor call or you and your friend literally colluding a live cash game and you posting it on the internet xD
I’ve witnessed a lot of bad floor calls on the poker table and that one ranks up there! Been in the biz over 25 years and that was a ridiculous ruling, and he should’ve never touched your cards. Keep up the good work my friend, you’ve done nothing wrong in this vlog…ignore uninformed haters!
You've been in the Business for 25 years? Check out TDA Rule #15 .. While we don't know the exact Rule Set that RW uses for cash games, most rooms are really close to TDA with a few tweaks and this is a slam dunk easy ruling.
Several things. First if the guy that told you to fold was a stranger he should have been booted since you are not heads up. That is not fair to the 3rd player. If he is not a stranger (hard to prove), you both should be booted. On the all in the floor is wrong. When he is all in he is all in. The fact that he threw away cards is a separate action. Either his chips are yours at that point or the hand plays out (which makes no actual sense since he now has no cards) and you win his chips either way. Floor is right that you can not make deals at the table to exchange chips. If someone is felted you can give them cash to buy in but not chips from the table. Guy is semi stand up to make the deal, but do it away from the table. I had been in a similar situation late at night where a drunk guy was doing the same thing. He was ok but the alcohol made him a little mean at times. Floor asked if we were ok with him or he would boot him. Everyone was OK and just waited for their chance.
100% wasn't a fair table when your friend told you to fold when he had QQ. For the other pot you should have just have won the pot and passed over the money off the table, you're not passing chips from your stack so its fine.
I also think it is not okay that your mate told you to fold when you had QQ and then you complain about this KJ hand - AND: are you 100% sure you would have called the blind all-in with this hand? Several hands before you folded KJ against a blind raise of 70 bucks (I know there was another guy in the hand, but don't try to sell that KJ is almost as strong as AA). Just to sum it up: keep playing decent poker instead making "deals" with drunk guys. You 're definately skilled enough to get all the money from this kind of players, don't try to get 250 bucks for nothing...
@@stephanebner340I don't think most of these " blind " people are actually blind when they do it. It seems like almost every time I see their cards they have a good hand. So I don't believe them for one second. I recorded one guy at a game I was playing and of the 5 times " all in blind", he had at least 1 A in his hand. Now that is what I would call statistically improbable.
That floor guy needs to be fired. What an awful decision. He just didn’t want to deal with it because he didn’t know the right answer. It is bad enough for him to muck your hand, but he had no business telling you that you couldn’t make a deal and threatening to kick you out. That floor guy has to go.
Imagine how uninformed you must be of the game or rules of the game..but yet you're put in a position of power of said game as a career/job. It wasn't an accident lol you don't just walk in your first day on the job and have that position 😅
Have you seen RW's Rule Set? If they use TDA, then Rule #15 clearly shows that this was a slam dunk correct, and easy, Ruling. Also, the Gaming Commission may have Regulations in place that doesn't allow for Players to exchange chips at the table when stakes are beyond table stakes .. and they certainly can't allow a Player to 'go south' outside the context of the game. If this was a 'match' game then it's possible that a deal could be OK, but it would be very rare. Away from the table? In most casinos it's no issue.
I know other people mentioned it but I just saw the hand where your buddy told you to fold come on dude you know that's not okay that absolutely goes against the whole Spirit of the game remember it's a gentleman's game it's almost cheating it's definitely collusion and your friend knows better too and you brushed over it like it was nothing I think you need to take a look at sometimes the way you play the game because a lot of plays you make and some issues you have with people are very borderline this one's not even close this is just wrong
His chips are all in. His cards are dead. Your chips. Terrible floor decision. But I'm this case, good not too make too much of a deal out of it because he will eventually leave all his chips on the table.
I have some… probably you’re talking about the one “Story of my Brutal Poker Downswing” or you’re talking about my Poker Vlog in Brazil. Search for “Poker Vlog in Brazil Poker Profit Vlog” and you’ll find it
So to clean this up a little bit that guy folded KJ early because of other action...the muck hand in question is a spot where he definitely woulda called. This was an absolutely terrible ruling by the floor. Based on that ruling someone could go all in and immediately muck his hand if he decided he made the wrong decision and because of that rule no other players could play their Pocket aces or whatever they have... absolutely terrible ruling by the floor...worst I've ever seen. Now to turn things around and talk about this guy's etiquette. Everyone is talking about how his friend told him to fold and he did... that blew my mind, how did no one else at the table immediately call foul play and ask for the floor to come over? You simply can't do that. Others have pointed out that he could have been saying that with 2-7 for all we know and it's up to the player to believe him or not believe him. That's true and other players have done that to try and confuse opponents in the past but that clearly wasn't the case here. For one it's his friend, for two he ended up taking his advice and folding, and three he even said on the video that had he not told him to fold that he was probably gonna call...so this definitely was a colluding type play that influenced action and lowered the maniac's EV. The fact that he held true to his word and actually paid you the agreed upon 250 for the muck hand was extremely generous considering he could have just let the floors ruling stand and also considering you guys technically colluded against him in one hand. You're totally right about the floor bumbling that muck calling and being incompetent but I noticed you making some pretty big mistakes yourself js. Honestly I would never go back to a place like this if I had this experience. I kinda agree with the old guy that got up and left. There was too much chaotic camotion from the players on top of unethical play(of not outright cheating), and just sheer incompetence and bad attitude from the staff. I'd never come back after this.
I wouldn’t have been bothered by the queens hand when the guy told you to fold as much if you hadn’t brought it up 10 more times. If you are not willing to fold that king Jack hand, when the guy mucks his hand, then you are not a professional poker player. I don’t know how that can be argued any other way. Your “deal” and then actually taking his money makes you look broke and petty af. That said, the floor decision was atrocious.
The $250 clean offer was truly awful and shows you have zero experience in higher limit games. If I understand it correctly he went all in blind, and mistakenly mucked his cards. This is the last guy in the world you want to leave the table. You got OFF THE CHARTS lucky he was cool. In reality, just so you know, even if you had aces in that spot, you just laugh with him and say it's all good and move on to the next hand. To ask for $250 regardless of your hand strength, was predatory. God's gift to everybody at the table makes an honest mistake, and you make him pay? That was miserable and just honestly shows your age and complete lack of understanding of the politics of this situation.
Yeah I’m unfollowing too. No matter what the situation is wether he is right or not. Asking the guy for 250 dollars when he clearly made a mistake just shows the kind of person this guy is…
It's weird that he reuploaded this video.. It's best to show some mercy and keep the whale happy because he made an honest mistake. It look so greedy that OP said he'll call with a call able hand and ask for $250. The ironic thing is OP had KJo before and didn't call an all in from the whale
@IK407 lol, you're absolutely right. Not that it is the point at all, but IF you are going to ask for money (which in this spot is absolutely miserable charactor....like miserable) then 50-100 bucks would be appropriate. Of course asking for money at all is the life nut low scumtarded thing to do. This fool either A.) Understands equity and robbed Santa, or B.) Doesn't even understand the most basic equity calculations. Either way his vlogs are not worth watching. Side note I'd rather burn my genitalia with a torch than listen to his voice.
This floor supervisor must have been a cop in a former life. Bad judgement followed by a power trip. On the issue with Mr. All in I probably wouldn't take any of his money as a result of his mistake, the guy is giving massive action already which you are taking advantage of. Keep him happy and play poker like this all night =).
You should have let it go. Keep the fish happy, he was going to donate it later anyway. Fortunate you didn’t piss him off and make him leave the table.
His chips belong to you. If he's going all in every hand and not paying attention, that's his problem. An expensive lesson but going all in and mucking your cards is like throwing cash out of a moving car.
I think everyone in this comment section is being a bit unreasonable. Everyone in poker always wants to show what great, ethical human beings they are when the fact is they’d be happy to take anyone’s money if they wouldn’t be judged for it in this situation. The guy tried to give his chips away and you wanted to accept. I see nothing wrong with that. The other hands where you folded stronger hands were different because there were calls in front of you. Also that floor is absolutely absurd. So he kills your hand because the guy can’t hold onto his chips? Sounds like a case of trying to keep a whale happy. Either way man, keep doing what you’re doing. Ignore the haters.
12:45 NO WAY! No way did she have a set. And even if she did that's an Awful fold regardless of you having that hand you did. No flush on a very dry board, I just don't see her folding a set. Even if you were a OMC Super Nit and she knew it, it would be a questionable fold. I would even call BS of her saying she folded AA or KK.
For the mucked PF holding .. In most rooms the Floor was 100% correct in stopping the action and allowing the Player to take uncalled bets back. This is laid out clearly in TDA 2022, but each room can have their own way of handling these spots. We can't allow Players to make decisions based on whether or not they like the other Player(s) in the spot. Making a side deal is up to you but it's a (very) bad look and most definitely needs to be done away from the table. FWIW I think you made a similar fold earlier in the session.. perhaps not closing action though or against a different Player who showed AJ.
No matter what another player says, it was your decision. A player can lie and you could've made a wrong decision. So it doesn't matter what someone says, only thing that matters is what you do with that info.
Hypothetically, you’re right. However, in this specific hand, it was collusion. Vlogged should have commented that those comments shouldn’t happen. Shady.
Agree but also understand why it feels shady to so many commenters. Think back to last vlog where opponent donk led the river and said you should fold because she had a Jack on a 4 to a straight board. You folded and she showed 3,4 for a bluff. People don’t always tell the truth in theses spots so the QQ “friend” might have been misrepresenting his hand to induce a call or shove. Even knowing that, this sort of communication in a multi-way pot doesn’t feel right.
@@vader6203 True, but even tho it might seem shady, it was allowed by casino, the dealer, floor guy didn't issue a warning to the QQ guy, didn't stop the QQ guy, and table talking pros like Eric person do this kind of stuff all the time on TV poker.
@@vader6203Even tho it's technically multi way pot, 1 of the players was all in preflop, and QQ reraised, and whether or not Poker Profit called or not really didn't hurt all in, if anything all in's odds of winning went up with Poker Profits fold, and QQ was pretty much only hurting himself by getting Poker Profit to fold. It's was pretty much a non multi way pot HEADS UP FOR THE SIDE POT. What QQ did wasn't any different then Rampage, Eric Person, making a MONSTER BLUFF and telling the other player that could call and cripple him to FOLD. Rampage, Eric Person, and other table talking pros do that all the time on TV poker. If it's ok on TV Poker its ok at the casino.
I know this is a 10 month old video, but this randomly just got recommended to me. The ruling the floor made around 26:00 was absolutely abysmal. To be clear, he said that since you didn’t call before he folded, that they’re just… moving on? As in, he gets his chips back and you’re not allowed to play your hand? What kind of bizarro world ruling is that? He technically could just keep doing that. Like, obviously they’d kick him off the table or out of the casino/venue if he kept doing it, but still. The reason you called for the floor is so you could make it as fair as possible. But instead, it literally only benefited the dude who made the massive mistake. This is just another example of giving someone a little bit of power where they’ve never ever had any before in their lives, and finally being able to use and abuse it. People like this will never make the ruling that is fair and makes sense. He also showed the power trip by saying you’re not allowed to make deals or pass chips/money and what not. Bro, this is a cash game. A cash game is essentially a home game with a paid dealer and a rake. You can make whatever deals you want. You can pass chips if you want. You obviously can’t collude or cheat or anything, but this moron obviously was entirely ignorant. Hopefully that guy got fired (which I doubt). Again, I know this was 10 months ago and most of you there probably don’t even remember this, but it’s still so frustrating to see people get screwed over for literally no reason. Anyway, you have earned a sub my friend. Awesome Poker content!
I'm an amateur and agree your friend telling you to fold was sketchy borderlinecollusion. The floor call was 10x worse. Play your hand accept the risk. Sht call by the manager. Sloppy out of turn play isn't a win. Then again i learned a lesson tonight... CALLING sounds a lot like ALLIN. EVEN if you match chips. Wtf?! Never point at someone betting out of turn- that's a check. Be clear in your action
So much bad in this video: Collusion/cheating from the guy on your left Not keeping the whale happy and creating a scene over nothing The floor trying to muck your hand and giving a bad ruling etc.
I do believe the Lady folded a set .. for the way you had been playing you very easily could've had 57 or QQ. Older Players are not used to the type of action that took place NOT being QQ or 57 in that spot and perhaps it was her last buy-in and/or she decided to wait to get a better spot against the mark. Older Players will always assume that a bet/raise/shove scenario involves The Nuts. Yes, .. 200 would've been a much better bet with AA. Wild and Crazy Players like to do one thing .. BET. And by raising (so much) you are taking their fun away from them. And at that sizing there was no hope of you folding so you took the fun out of the hand .. and perhaps cut down on how long this Player was going to stay. Certainly a tough spot with another Player in the hand as you need to protect but don't want to miss out on potentially stacking off with the mark. Didn't work out this time, but definitely 200 would've been enough to define each Player's willingness to continue.
I don’t know why you would want to re-upload this video. You and your friend soft playing when there’s a whale spewing off $400 every hand isn’t cool at all. Your lucky no one else at the table heard that.
Not sure why him asking for you not to record him is out of line? I wouldn’t want to be recorded by some rando I don’t even know. As for the soft play..
Ok, having played on both ends of this. As a player, a poker dealer AND a poker floor i've seen it all. This floor is an idiot and should probably be fired. U said u would be calling, his chips are your's. I do however understand the floor not wanting chips to be passed. As long as the other player passed you chips that were NOT on the table in play the deal is completely fine! But effectively you were passing him back the remaining chips -250 from his stack. so that's where the floor kinda had an issue. But you could have gotten around the matter by simply cashing out passing him back his chips or vice versa. after the floor comes and takes the entire pot away from you, I would have left the casino at that point. and filed a complaint against the floor's bad ruling.
I should add that also depends on house rules. But if you had been last to act, and his cards were in the muck already. doesn't matter that pot is yours. he committed his chips, what happens after that the last hand alive win's. No question.
The floors call there was the most incorrect call I’ve seen in a while. Only worst one was when I seen a player muck, similar situation, but the dealer picks the players hand back up and hands it back to the player and tells him there is still action. Then the floor says “he has his hand back so play continues.” Even though his hand hit the muck….. practically the same, except there were other players in the hand until a bet on the turn and the pot had gotten pretty large.
I would’ve mucked my cards and moved on. Seems to me you were trying to take advantage of the guy, but I only play 2/5 for fun. I don’t need the money.
Sorry I disagree with you "On the player mucking his cards". You already look suspicious with your ethics when you said, "IF I had 1 card Callable"...? >> Meaning you were going to call If you saw hand like K-4, K-7, A-3...any marginal 1 card hand.....you're calling...? C'mon... !!. When in the beginning, you were mucking hands like K-Q, Q-J to ALL-IN RAISES. YOU WERE DEFINITELY taking advantage of the situation because you thought it was going to be automatic that the floor person would unanimously give you the option to CALL. You then look even more low level, trying to squeeze a $250 deal out of a donator, an MVP....in other words the fish. Then you got a huge surprise.... the Floor Person gave a ruling that was totally opposite & surprised you. And even after the Floor person removed "your option from calling" you kept persisting still hoping you would get your "So Called FAIR DEAL..by making $250 off a donator". Here you gotta see the BIG PICTURE, the game is built around his money and the action he gives.....NOT around your so called fairness.
Given the hand ratio’s…. More like $150-$175 (assuming he has 2 live cards). I’m sure you could work it out off the table - As long as he’s reasonable.
nice so at this casino when that guy is on the floor i can go all in preflop and if i see my opponent is looking like hes gonna call i can just muck and get my money back lol.
I've had some spots in years of poker where someone did something to suggest I fold. In one case on the Flop I would've Turned a gutter to a better hand and tripled up. But in a few others I was indeed crushed. As the movie Rounders suggests .. When it's Reg v Reg is can be an all out war for chips, but when a Whale shows up it's like a pack of hyenas working together to take down the meal.
guy is going all in every hand. he made a mistake, let him off the hook and don't give him a reason to leave. You most certainly made the wrong decision. That being said the floor guy made the wrong ruling. Not sure why you'd want to piss off the biggest whale you'll likely ever play with at 1/3
And then you keep saying you're not a douchebag over and over again when he mucked his cards and you're acting like you want to call with King Jack but earlier you folded better hands to his All In you basically took a little Advantage there.. the ruling by the floor was absolutely wrong but so were you asking for $250 from the guy because he made a mistake why not just say you know what I'm going to fold here I'm not going to hold you to the all in you made an honest mistake and play the next h and the guy is donating you think that's fair to Big for $250 and you're a solid winning player that's just gross whether you want admit it or not stop putting money before principles..
The floor guy was correct on his decision, if you guys make a DEAL you need to be away from the table or the payout on the DEAL has to not be from chips in play on the TABLE. It’s a casino not a home game.
I've seen this exact situation happen before. The guy went allin and mucked his cards with a player left to act. The only remaining live hand took the pot. BTW, the guy shoved about 540 into a 100 $ pot, the remaining player had him covered and scooped his whole stack. Guy was pissed. My question is, what if the remaining player doesnt have the allin player covered. Like say, a player shoves for 500, everyone folds except for a player with 250, the guy with 500 mucks his cards after shoving, does the 250 player get 250? Weird situation.
The floor ruling was ridiculous. With the floor's logic I could shove all in and muck my hand immediately then no one would be able to call and I would win every hand. Also the one dude telling you to fold is collusion plain and simple. You cannot do this at the poker table ever. Dealers might let you get away with it once, but repeated actions like this will get you penalties and eventually kicked out.
Twice you folded KJ when the guy went all in. Now that he mucked his cards you claim that for sure you would call. The right thing to do is muck your hand! At 13:57 you fold KQ against all in! At 18:02 you fold KJ against all in as well!
Yea I think you asking for $250 was a bad look for you, guy just didnt want to be on video cant blame him for that, its just good poker etiquette whether a person is cool with you or not, the cards were mucked by mistake pay it forward and good things will come back to you always
First off the all in where you thought it was $400 but he was only $300 behind was wrong. The dealer should not be dealing him in without chips in front of him. The second ruling was even worse. Protect your hand at all times. You hadn’t acted yet. The floor should have ruled in your favor. Now after the floor didn’t, I would have requested to speak to the gaming commission.
Definitely. Its all about the Order of Turns in the Game. You still get to decide to Fold or go All in once he Says All in. The All in Guy cant muck after he goes all in unless he wants to Sacrifice his $540 to the only player left on the board. You were Very Fair to let him have Half to save him from His Mistake. Floor Person was Dead Wrong. He should not have a Job in my opinion, I was a pit boss, and a floor supervisor for several years, and your job is to keep the game fair when mistakes happen. that means he would loose his 540 to the Table, and you would have been the only one left to win the pot! lol 🙂
you should get the $540.. you didn't make the error, the dealer didn't make the error, the poker manager didn't make the error. The guy made the error. I would have taken the $540 and then given him back $250. Then you get to be the cool guy.
I think the floor decision was terrible. The player's fold action was out-of-turn, yes, but assuming he'd seen action after his declaration of all-in blind, his $540 was in the pot. It's the player's responsibility to protect their cards, and a fold out of turn is still a fold once the cards hit the muck, so him mucking means his $540 is now dead money, and if you called the all-in or still had action to come, you were entitled to call it and take the pot as last man standing. The only, and I mean ONLY, bit of sense I can see with the floor ruling is that he sees the guy is a total fish and doesn't want to piss him off and get him out of the room, since he was spewing money on the table for y'all to take like candy from a baby (not a good call, but maybe I can see the logic of keeping the game going with the fish in it). However, regardless of the ruling, the floor should ALSO have told him to let the dealer run the table, going to each player in their turn asking what their action is, and instructed the dealer to keep pointing where the current action is (yes, I know that's a little pedantic, but it's obvious the guy is altered enough that he might need the dealer's hand pointing at every player in turn to keep track of action). I see the point that they can't let him pass you chips as a deal (though in a private game, absolutely this would be fine, and I think you offered him a deal that was $20 better than he deserved -- I'd have offered to let him take half his stack back at best), as it's against the rules in pretty much every card room, as an anti-collusion mechanic, even though it's obvious that you weren't colluding with him for anything. And yes, this is how you have to deal with a maniac. Take what you can against them, and embrace the variance.
imo. You just fold and let him be. It's like telling a horrible player he's horrible. He might leave. Why do you ever want to do something to make a fish leave the table. If he leaves after than hand, then you've killed the Goose that laid the Golden Eggs. Your saying you will look at the cards to decide makes absolutely no sense at all. You win the pot either way if you call. So just call or fold.
You should not be allowed to play at the same table as one of your friends. Odds are you are colluding. Even if you aren't, this is the image you are giving people. You owe the establishment and the player a public apology. There's a group of GTO boys, self-proclaimed anyways, at my local casino. I find it odd how they're win. Rate dropped when the casino banned them from playing together. Either put the work in and truly be one of the greats or don't play at all.
Idk about this idea. I can tell you when me and my friend are at the same table, we are trying to rip each other's face off and eat it. There are no friends at the poker table and we both believe game integrity to be the most important thing when playing. So maybe they were working together, or maybe not. ( obviously I wasn't there) Don't shit on GTO, it will help your win rate. Start with From the Ground up by Pete Clarke on Runitonce. It certainly made me a much better player.
Honestly, with a guy all in blind like that everytime...just let it go and fold your cards. Keep him happy and most importantly at the table. You'll have plenty of other opportunities. You're up over 1k at that point, it's a bad look to try making a deal like that
Rule #1 the 🐋🐋🐋 is always right!! (Kinda sorta, but you know what I mean) BTW, tip that floor man for keeping the gentlemen happy with a peaceful ruling ..”YOU CANT CALL!!”😅😅😅 Asking for a deal is fair, prior to completely understanding the official ruling- don’t push the envelope to yard. Ultimately, stand your ground for what you think is fair. No need to argue or create enemies therefore, calling the floor over sooner than later is wise on your behalf. Whether the ruling is correct or not, is beyond your control. Just remember to make sure the floor (person) correctly understands your side of the story before the decision in final. ✌️
No Offfence, but in that situation, I would have just laughed it off, and said "Party foul, you've got next round". It puts another drink in his hand, nurse yours for the rest of the night. I"ve make him feel like the life of the party for buying a round and thinks we are his new best friends as we continue to take his money!
The floor was way out of line here. Dirty floor manager... Badly handled. If the way they explained it was okay, then you can be heads up with anyone and know that you're loosing and just go all in and fold at the same time. It's like a cheat code.
Dude, you are off on your ethics. you colluded in the 99 hand, you know that right? That's the hand you should be talking about, not that the guy drunkenly mucked his hand and you tried to exploit him. That guy is funding the table and you are going to take advantage of him because he made a stupid mistake? nope, not on your side here.
Best hope nobody shows this vlog to resorts both will be banned for colluding definitely unacceptable yous already had the edge with a whale shipping blind I’m outraged
Easy answer: he said he had AK. Call and let the hand play out. If your KJ wins, take your money. If not, say "I play the board" and chop it up. That makes it fair.
not sure the casino will give you the option to play the board, I believe there is a rule that in a showdown you have to show both cards to win the pot?
I'm 100% taking that guys money. I dont care what cards i have, if you bet and muck, thats my pot! Resorts World should be embarrassed by the call/behavior of their floor person.
Honestly I think you should have appealed to the state gaming commission, if the casino was in the wrong, by forcing you to fold they would become responsible for the 540 to you.
There is a lot of way overreaction, and misunderstanding of rules etc There have been LOTS of times on TV poker, where a person IN THE HAND tells another player to fold, etc. Eric Person does that a lot. It wasnt Poker Profit that was telling another player to fold. It was another player telling Poker Profit to fold. Thats NOT Poker Profit's fault. And while its technically NOT good ettiquette, there is a difference between good ettiquette and LEGAL, Rules compliant, etc. If someone IN THE HAND, where its their turn to act, they have the legal, rules compliant right, even tho technical bad ettiquete, to tell players not to call THEIR bet. Like I said, Eric Person and other table talking pros tell people not to call them, to throw players off, get them to make a mistake, and either call or fold when they shouldnt. Thats actually part of the game of poker. Also if it was illegal, not rules compliant for the player making the bet, to tell a player to fold, the dealer would have said so, or the dealer or another player would have called for the floor guy, and the floor, floor guy would have given the bettor telling others to fold a warning. Also the rule you guys are thinking of is where somebody NOT in the hand, WHERE IT IS NOT THEIR TURN, and where they are not the one betting, tells any of the players to fold. And even your guys reasoning is flawed. Tho your right that the reason not to tell to fold, is it effects the hand, in this hand you only had 3 potential players in hand. 1. The all in player. 2. The reraise player that told the 3rd player to fold. 3. The last to act, complete the action player got told to fold and folded. Now in that scenario, telling to fold wasnt harming, wasnt going to impact who win the hand, except that all in wouldnt win as much if win, because of fold. But other then that, not much effect, because whether 3rd player calls or not, all in's odds of winning does not improve by 3rd player calling. If anything the player who said to fold is only hurting themselves as if they hadnt said anything, Poker Profit with his 77 would have called, and the QQ player who said to fold would have probably won more. But he was just being nice, and it cost him money, and that was his PUNISHMENT. Also while the QQ guy was telling the truth about how Poker Profit should fold, he could have been lying to Poker Profit, and in that kind of situation Poker Profit could have theoretically been folding the best hand. It also sets up a possible successful future bluff of poker profit, because maybe next time he doesnt have QQ, and has 76 suited instead, and gets Poker profit to fold 88 to a 76 suited bluff. Table talk like this is part of poker, and as long as this kind of table talk is not by somebody EITHER NOT IN HAND OR WHERE NOT THEIR TURN, OR WHERE THEY ARE NOT THE ONE MAKING THE BET. The QQ guy, it was HIS TURN TO ACT. HE MADE THE BET. THE GUY HE TOLD TO FOLD, WAS LAST TO ACT, THERE WAS ONLY ALL IN, AND HIM, AND THE GUY HE TOLD TO FOLD, AND BECAUSE OF THAT THE GUY HE TOLD TO FOLD, WHO FOLDED DIDNT REALLY HAVE MUCH EFFECT, AND BY TELLING TO FOLD, HE WAS PRETTY MUCH ONLY HURTING HIMSELF, MAKING IT SO THAT HE GOT LESS MONEY, AND HE WAS JUST TRYING TO BE NICE. And there was NO COLLUSION, etc. These type of situations happen a lot. What the QQ player did was technically allowable and despite that only technically against Good Ettiquette, and if have a problem with this then YOUR OVERREACTING. And your especially overreacting by blaming Poker Profit. If you have to blame somebody, then you blame QQ guy, even tho thats overreacting too. You see this type of stuff allowed all the time on TV poker by table talking pros. GET OVER IT. SHEESH.
If it aint stupidity its a setup..all in- in the dark, then muck your hand before a player with cards has a chance to call..and the floor has your back? 🤨 if they letting that go like nothing happened then I'm confident theres alot more sketchy 💩 going on than that
I would do whatever I could to keep him happy and in the game. In this case that would be just muck my hand and move on to the next one. All his cash is there for the taking.
Whale verbalized all-in in the dark and gets confused and mucks his hand (22:27), but you haven't had a chance to act yet and therefore still have a live hand (good on you for protecting your cards against floor). It is a player's responsibility to protect their cards and to know the rules. VERBAL IS BINDING. Ignorance is never an excuse for breaking the law; however, exceptions can (and are) made. The same with NLTH rules. In this case, I would have put hole cards face down in front of him and said, "Pick one and I'll match your 'All-in' if you like your card. Dealer will run out the 5 community cards & winner takes it. We both get option to fold pre-flop but it will kill the hand.". Gotta lean into those maniacs!🤠♠️♥️♣️♦️🙉🙈🙊
Why are you so sure if you only raised to $200 with AA that when he called you'd have won? I lose with AA and KK about 20-25% of the time calling all in pre-flop
FLOOR. WAS. RIGHT. You are not entitled to his chips if he has no way to defend the money in the pot on that street. If there was a pot in the middle, then you would be the winner of that pot, and not any chips he put in on that street before you acted on your hand.
The simple answer is to tell the floor you disagree with the decision and will be appealing to the state gaming commission, and let it go from there. If the casino was right then it is what it is, if they were wrong they would become responsible for the potential loss, which is best case for everyone. The whale keeps his money and the casino would pay up so the player would get payed.
@Poker Profit: if the whale instant mucks his cards after going all in & hasn’t peaked at his cards before other players take action - Then I’d let it go even if you had AA. I’m on the side that - it’s good for poker community to accommodate this kind of action players.
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The fact that your friend told you to fold and influenced the outcome of the hand is not cool at all. I’ve seen some borderline stuff on this vlog but that moment there is a big no no man. Get kicked out of the poker room not cool.
Yeah that’s actually fucked up, he didn’t even think to mention how unethical it was for that guy to say that… I try to be objective about stuff like this but I can see why people get frustrated about this guy. It’s not all one sided..
I also like how he folded KJ off to all the previous all ins, then when the guy mucks by accident he acts like he’s always calling and he owes him money. This one got to me… then just acts like he’s owed 250 bucks.. feels super entitled.. ‘I’m fair, give me your money that’s fair right?’ Whats fair to be is dude takes his money back and you just go to the next hand with a maniac.
Also I feel like it’s important to at least mention how utterly unethical it is for that guy to tell you to fold. Utterly fucked
Yeah, wtf? You have the biggest whale possible sitting at your table and you kind of cheated to gain even more edge on him. You seem like an honest player, gotta know this is wrong.
@@mangohavoc6428 if you don’t understand the difference between the first and the second KJ, you need to study poker
@@mangohavoc6428this
@@mangohavoc6428 players are known to lie occasionaly.
Your buddy telling you to fold, that's colluding, a huge no no, you should know this in the integrity of the game and if you follow a lot of a big poker vloggers they would tell you the same thing, it's short term thinking vs long term if you wanna make it in poker. As for the whale folding his cards, also a short term way of thinking even if you wake up with aces, he made an error and you're trying to take advantage of him, fold and move on, he's there just spewing away money, you piss him off he gets off that table and it's back to being miserable. It's not always about the money and what you think is fair, if you wanna continue in this community just be a good person, you're already crushing, why fuck it up? Remember what comes around goes around.
Hahah great "instincts" to fold after your friend openly colludes with you and tells you his exact hand. Your instincts are on another level dude
You're totally in the right with the issue that occurred with the floor man. I can't believe the floor made a decision like that. It's his responsibility to his cards PERIOD!
This is the dark side of poker. One guy is going all in every hand for whatever reason, probably emotionally stressed or drunk and everyone else is finally thinking, "I can pay my rent this month."
It’s weird. A lot of players get annoyed at people who play like this. And I get it to an extent. If you want to play real poker you won’t be able to. But if you want to make money, a player doing this is great! Just wait for a good hand and call. Yes, they can get lucky with a bad hand or get lucky and wake up with a good hand. But luck will always be apart of poker
@@OJuggernautO if you want to play "real" poker ask for a table change. Don't think anyone is stupid enough to leave a table like this.
When the maniac goes all in and mucks his cards, his stack belongs to you. Any other ruling by the floor is insane.
Honestly, I don't even understand what the floor is thinking here.
They are thinking this guy is action.
Yea but like the floor said if he woulda called before he mucked it woulda been cool but he only tried to call because he knew he folded if u look earlier In the video he folded king jack preflop wen the guy raised now all of a sudden he would have called 😂 yea rite
@payday7345 there were other players involved when he folded. I am calling a blind all in with KJ everytime suited not suited I don't care.
Same, he mucked he should still be able to call
Idk what's crazier about this video. That absurd floor call or you and your friend literally colluding a live cash game and you posting it on the internet xD
I’ve witnessed a lot of bad floor calls on the poker table and that one ranks up there! Been in the biz over 25 years and that was a ridiculous ruling, and he should’ve never touched your cards. Keep up the good work my friend, you’ve done nothing wrong in this vlog…ignore uninformed haters!
You've been in the Business for 25 years? Check out TDA Rule #15 .. While we don't know the exact Rule Set that RW uses for cash games, most rooms are really close to TDA with a few tweaks and this is a slam dunk easy ruling.
The floor was thinking this maniac is action.
Action = money
Money = profit
Profit = bonus
That simple.
@jeffshackleford3152 lol maybe for tables games floors would think like this, not for poker
Several things. First if the guy that told you to fold was a stranger he should have been booted since you are not heads up. That is not fair to the 3rd player. If he is not a stranger (hard to prove), you both should be booted. On the all in the floor is wrong. When he is all in he is all in. The fact that he threw away cards is a separate action. Either his chips are yours at that point or the hand plays out (which makes no actual sense since he now has no cards) and you win his chips either way. Floor is right that you can not make deals at the table to exchange chips. If someone is felted you can give them cash to buy in but not chips from the table. Guy is semi stand up to make the deal, but do it away from the table. I had been in a similar situation late at night where a drunk guy was doing the same thing. He was ok but the alcohol made him a little mean at times. Floor asked if we were ok with him or he would boot him. Everyone was OK and just waited for their chance.
100% wasn't a fair table when your friend told you to fold when he had QQ. For the other pot you should have just have won the pot and passed over the money off the table, you're not passing chips from your stack so its fine.
I also think it is not okay that your mate told you to fold when you had QQ and then you complain about this KJ hand - AND: are you 100% sure you would have called the blind all-in with this hand? Several hands before you folded KJ against a blind raise of 70 bucks (I know there was another guy in the hand, but don't try to sell that KJ is almost as strong as AA). Just to sum it up: keep playing decent poker instead making "deals" with drunk guys. You 're definately skilled enough to get all the money from this kind of players, don't try to get 250 bucks for nothing...
@@stephanebner340I don't think most of these " blind " people are actually blind when they do it.
It seems like almost every time I see their cards they have a good hand.
So I don't believe them for one second.
I recorded one guy at a game I was playing and of the 5 times " all in blind", he had at least 1 A in his hand.
Now that is what I would call statistically improbable.
That floor guy needs to be fired. What an awful decision. He just didn’t want to deal with it because he didn’t know the right answer. It is bad enough for him to muck your hand, but he had no business telling you that you couldn’t make a deal and threatening to kick you out. That floor guy has to go.
Imagine how uninformed you must be of the game or rules of the game..but yet you're put in a position of power of said game as a career/job. It wasn't an accident lol you don't just walk in your first day on the job and have that position 😅
Have you seen RW's Rule Set? If they use TDA, then Rule #15 clearly shows that this was a slam dunk correct, and easy, Ruling. Also, the Gaming Commission may have Regulations in place that doesn't allow for Players to exchange chips at the table when stakes are beyond table stakes .. and they certainly can't allow a Player to 'go south' outside the context of the game. If this was a 'match' game then it's possible that a deal could be OK, but it would be very rare. Away from the table? In most casinos it's no issue.
I know other people mentioned it but I just saw the hand where your buddy told you to fold come on dude you know that's not okay that absolutely goes against the whole Spirit of the game remember it's a gentleman's game it's almost cheating it's definitely collusion and your friend knows better too and you brushed over it like it was nothing I think you need to take a look at sometimes the way you play the game because a lot of plays you make and some issues you have with people are very borderline this one's not even close this is just wrong
His chips are all in. His cards are dead. Your chips. Terrible floor decision. But I'm this case, good not too make too much of a deal out of it because he will eventually leave all his chips on the table.
Yes, his hand is dead, but only the chips in the middle that have already been acted upon on previous streets of betting. The floor was correct.
Chances are leaves chips on table but also chances are 7 other players get it.
Hi! did you have an old video where you played a PLO home game somewhere? I was trying to find it again but can't find it
I have some… probably you’re talking about the one “Story of my Brutal Poker Downswing” or you’re talking about my Poker Vlog in Brazil. Search for “Poker Vlog in Brazil Poker Profit Vlog” and you’ll find it
So to clean this up a little bit that guy folded KJ early because of other action...the muck hand in question is a spot where he definitely woulda called. This was an absolutely terrible ruling by the floor. Based on that ruling someone could go all in and immediately muck his hand if he decided he made the wrong decision and because of that rule no other players could play their Pocket aces or whatever they have... absolutely terrible ruling by the floor...worst I've ever seen. Now to turn things around and talk about this guy's etiquette. Everyone is talking about how his friend told him to fold and he did... that blew my mind, how did no one else at the table immediately call foul play and ask for the floor to come over? You simply can't do that. Others have pointed out that he could have been saying that with 2-7 for all we know and it's up to the player to believe him or not believe him. That's true and other players have done that to try and confuse opponents in the past but that clearly wasn't the case here. For one it's his friend, for two he ended up taking his advice and folding, and three he even said on the video that had he not told him to fold that he was probably gonna call...so this definitely was a colluding type play that influenced action and lowered the maniac's EV. The fact that he held true to his word and actually paid you the agreed upon 250 for the muck hand was extremely generous considering he could have just let the floors ruling stand and also considering you guys technically colluded against him in one hand. You're totally right about the floor bumbling that muck calling and being incompetent but I noticed you making some pretty big mistakes yourself js. Honestly I would never go back to a place like this if I had this experience. I kinda agree with the old guy that got up and left. There was too much chaotic camotion from the players on top of unethical play(of not outright cheating), and just sheer incompetence and bad attitude from the staff. I'd never come back after this.
I wouldn’t have been bothered by the queens hand when the guy told you to fold as much if you hadn’t brought it up 10 more times.
If you are not willing to fold that king Jack hand, when the guy mucks his hand, then you are not a professional poker player. I don’t know how that can be argued any other way. Your “deal” and then actually taking his money makes you look broke and petty af.
That said, the floor decision was atrocious.
The $250 clean offer was truly awful and shows you have zero experience in higher limit games. If I understand it correctly he went all in blind, and mistakenly mucked his cards. This is the last guy in the world you want to leave the table. You got OFF THE CHARTS lucky he was cool. In reality, just so you know, even if you had aces in that spot, you just laugh with him and say it's all good and move on to the next hand. To ask for $250 regardless of your hand strength, was predatory. God's gift to everybody at the table makes an honest mistake, and you make him pay? That was miserable and just honestly shows your age and complete lack of understanding of the politics of this situation.
Dude, you asked him for $250? That was really not cool. Kind of a scummy move Unfollow.
$250 is too much for KJ isn't it? Did you know how often it wins against random cards? Seems like you scammed Santa Claus
Yeah I’m unfollowing too. No matter what the situation is wether he is right or not. Asking the guy for 250 dollars when he clearly made a mistake just shows the kind of person this guy is…
It's weird that he reuploaded this video.. It's best to show some mercy and keep the whale happy because he made an honest mistake. It look so greedy that OP said he'll call with a call able hand and ask for $250. The ironic thing is OP had KJo before and didn't call an all in from the whale
@IK407 lol, you're absolutely right. Not that it is the point at all, but IF you are going to ask for money (which in this spot is absolutely miserable charactor....like miserable) then 50-100 bucks would be appropriate. Of course asking for money at all is the life nut low scumtarded thing to do. This fool either A.) Understands equity and robbed Santa, or B.) Doesn't even understand the most basic equity calculations. Either way his vlogs are not worth watching. Side note I'd rather burn my genitalia with a torch than listen to his voice.
This floor supervisor must have been a cop in a former life. Bad judgement followed by a power trip. On the issue with Mr. All in I probably wouldn't take any of his money as a result of his mistake, the guy is giving massive action already which you are taking advantage of. Keep him happy and play poker like this all night =).
You are so quirky!
You should have let it go. Keep the fish happy, he was going to donate it later anyway. Fortunate you didn’t piss him off and make him leave the table.
His chips belong to you. If he's going all in every hand and not paying attention, that's his problem. An expensive lesson but going all in and mucking your cards is like throwing cash out of a moving car.
I think everyone in this comment section is being a bit unreasonable. Everyone in poker always wants to show what great, ethical human beings they are when the fact is they’d be happy to take anyone’s money if they wouldn’t be judged for it in this situation.
The guy tried to give his chips away and you wanted to accept. I see nothing wrong with that. The other hands where you folded stronger hands were different because there were calls in front of you.
Also that floor is absolutely absurd. So he kills your hand because the guy can’t hold onto his chips? Sounds like a case of trying to keep a whale happy.
Either way man, keep doing what you’re doing. Ignore the haters.
everything else was controversial, floor was DEFINITELY UTTERLY horrible
12:45 NO WAY! No way did she have a set. And even if she did that's an Awful fold regardless of you having that hand you did. No flush on a very dry board, I just don't see her folding a set. Even if you were a OMC Super Nit and she knew it, it would be a questionable fold. I would even call BS of her saying she folded AA or KK.
I doubt she had a set as well
For the mucked PF holding .. In most rooms the Floor was 100% correct in stopping the action and allowing the Player to take uncalled bets back. This is laid out clearly in TDA 2022, but each room can have their own way of handling these spots. We can't allow Players to make decisions based on whether or not they like the other Player(s) in the spot. Making a side deal is up to you but it's a (very) bad look and most definitely needs to be done away from the table. FWIW I think you made a similar fold earlier in the session.. perhaps not closing action though or against a different Player who showed AJ.
Quick question, what do you think your image is at the table? I don't think it was discussed
No matter what another player says, it was your decision. A player can lie and you could've made a wrong decision. So it doesn't matter what someone says, only thing that matters is what you do with that info.
Hypothetically, you’re right. However, in this specific hand, it was collusion. Vlogged should have commented that those comments shouldn’t happen. Shady.
Agree but also understand why it feels shady to so many commenters. Think back to last vlog where opponent donk led the river and said you should fold because she had a Jack on a 4 to a straight board. You folded and she showed 3,4 for a bluff. People don’t always tell the truth in theses spots so the QQ “friend” might have been misrepresenting his hand to induce a call or shove. Even knowing that, this sort of communication in a multi-way pot doesn’t feel right.
@@vader6203 True, but even tho it might seem shady, it was allowed by casino, the dealer, floor guy didn't issue a warning to the QQ guy, didn't stop the QQ guy, and table talking pros like Eric person do this kind of stuff all the time on TV poker.
@@vader6203Even tho it's technically multi way pot, 1 of the players was all in preflop, and QQ reraised, and whether or not Poker Profit called or not really didn't hurt all in, if anything all in's odds of winning went up with Poker Profits fold, and QQ was pretty much only hurting himself by getting Poker Profit to fold.
It's was pretty much a non multi way pot HEADS UP FOR THE SIDE POT.
What QQ did wasn't any different then Rampage, Eric Person, making a MONSTER BLUFF and telling the other player that could call and cripple him to FOLD.
Rampage, Eric Person, and other table talking pros do that all the time on TV poker.
If it's ok on TV Poker its ok at the casino.
I know this is a 10 month old video, but this randomly just got recommended to me. The ruling the floor made around 26:00 was absolutely abysmal. To be clear, he said that since you didn’t call before he folded, that they’re just… moving on? As in, he gets his chips back and you’re not allowed to play your hand? What kind of bizarro world ruling is that? He technically could just keep doing that. Like, obviously they’d kick him off the table or out of the casino/venue if he kept doing it, but still. The reason you called for the floor is so you could make it as fair as possible. But instead, it literally only benefited the dude who made the massive mistake. This is just another example of giving someone a little bit of power where they’ve never ever had any before in their lives, and finally being able to use and abuse it. People like this will never make the ruling that is fair and makes sense. He also showed the power trip by saying you’re not allowed to make deals or pass chips/money and what not. Bro, this is a cash game. A cash game is essentially a home game with a paid dealer and a rake. You can make whatever deals you want. You can pass chips if you want. You obviously can’t collude or cheat or anything, but this moron obviously was entirely ignorant.
Hopefully that guy got fired (which I doubt). Again, I know this was 10 months ago and most of you there probably don’t even remember this, but it’s still so frustrating to see people get screwed over for literally no reason.
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I'm an amateur and agree your friend telling you to fold was sketchy borderlinecollusion. The floor call was 10x worse. Play your hand accept the risk. Sht call by the manager. Sloppy out of turn play isn't a win.
Then again i learned a lesson tonight... CALLING sounds a lot like ALLIN. EVEN if you match chips. Wtf?! Never point at someone betting out of turn- that's a check. Be clear in your action
So much bad in this video:
Collusion/cheating from the guy on your left
Not keeping the whale happy and creating a scene over nothing
The floor trying to muck your hand and giving a bad ruling
etc.
I do believe the Lady folded a set .. for the way you had been playing you very easily could've had 57 or QQ. Older Players are not used to the type of action that took place NOT being QQ or 57 in that spot and perhaps it was her last buy-in and/or she decided to wait to get a better spot against the mark. Older Players will always assume that a bet/raise/shove scenario involves The Nuts.
Yes, .. 200 would've been a much better bet with AA. Wild and Crazy Players like to do one thing .. BET. And by raising (so much) you are taking their fun away from them. And at that sizing there was no hope of you folding so you took the fun out of the hand .. and perhaps cut down on how long this Player was going to stay. Certainly a tough spot with another Player in the hand as you need to protect but don't want to miss out on potentially stacking off with the mark. Didn't work out this time, but definitely 200 would've been enough to define each Player's willingness to continue.
I don’t know why you would want to re-upload this video. You and your friend soft playing when there’s a whale spewing off $400 every hand isn’t cool at all. Your lucky no one else at the table heard that.
Not sure why him asking for you not to record him is out of line? I wouldn’t want to be recorded by some rando I don’t even know. As for the soft play..
Ok, having played on both ends of this. As a player, a poker dealer AND a poker floor i've seen it all. This floor is an idiot and should probably be fired. U said u would be calling, his chips are your's. I do however understand the floor not wanting chips to be passed. As long as the other player passed you chips that were NOT on the table in play the deal is completely fine! But effectively you were passing him back the remaining chips -250 from his stack. so that's where the floor kinda had an issue. But you could have gotten around the matter by simply cashing out passing him back his chips or vice versa. after the floor comes and takes the entire pot away from you, I would have left the casino at that point. and filed a complaint against the floor's bad ruling.
I should add that also depends on house rules. But if you had been last to act, and his cards were in the muck already. doesn't matter that pot is yours. he committed his chips, what happens after that the last hand alive win's. No question.
The floors call there was the most incorrect call I’ve seen in a while. Only worst one was when I seen a player muck, similar situation, but the dealer picks the players hand back up and hands it back to the player and tells him there is still action. Then the floor says “he has his hand back so play continues.” Even though his hand hit the muck….. practically the same, except there were other players in the hand until a bet on the turn and the pot had gotten pretty large.
I would’ve mucked my cards and moved on. Seems to me you were trying to take advantage of the guy, but I only play 2/5 for fun. I don’t need the money.
Sorry I disagree with you "On the player mucking his cards". You already look suspicious with your ethics when you said, "IF I had 1 card Callable"...? >> Meaning you were going to call If you saw hand like K-4, K-7, A-3...any marginal 1 card hand.....you're calling...? C'mon... !!. When in the beginning, you were mucking hands like K-Q, Q-J to ALL-IN RAISES. YOU WERE DEFINITELY taking advantage of the situation because you thought it was going to be automatic that the floor person would unanimously give you the option to CALL. You then look even more low level, trying to squeeze a $250 deal out of a donator, an MVP....in other words the fish. Then you got a huge surprise.... the Floor Person gave a ruling that was totally opposite & surprised you. And even after the Floor person removed "your option from calling" you kept persisting still hoping you would get your "So Called FAIR DEAL..by making $250 off a donator". Here you gotta see the BIG PICTURE, the game is built around his money and the action he gives.....NOT around your so called fairness.
I wonder what would happen if the Nevada Gaming Commission saw the decision of the floor. I'm curious what their opinion would be on that situation.
Given the hand ratio’s…. More like $150-$175 (assuming he has 2 live cards).
I’m sure you could work it out off the table - As long as he’s reasonable.
nice so at this casino when that guy is on the floor i can go all in preflop and if i see my opponent is looking like hes gonna call i can just muck and get my money back lol.
That’s exactly what I’m thinking too. Floor is a dumass
Why so many reuploads
I've had some spots in years of poker where someone did something to suggest I fold. In one case on the Flop I would've Turned a gutter to a better hand and tripled up. But in a few others I was indeed crushed. As the movie Rounders suggests .. When it's Reg v Reg is can be an all out war for chips, but when a Whale shows up it's like a pack of hyenas working together to take down the meal.
Really shady when the QQ buddy tells you to fold. Collusion isn’t good for the game. 👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
That's the best dealer in all of Las Vegas, in fact.
Don't believe the guy with the Queen's was doing you any favors. He was trying to reduce variance
guy is going all in every hand. he made a mistake, let him off the hook and don't give him a reason to leave. You most certainly made the wrong decision. That being said the floor guy made the wrong ruling. Not sure why you'd want to piss off the biggest whale you'll likely ever play with at 1/3
And then you keep saying you're not a douchebag over and over again when he mucked his cards and you're acting like you want to call with King Jack but earlier you folded better hands to his All In you basically took a little Advantage there.. the ruling by the floor was absolutely wrong but so were you asking for $250 from the guy because he made a mistake why not just say you know what I'm going to fold here I'm not going to hold you to the all in you made an honest mistake and play the next h and the guy is donating you think that's fair to Big for $250 and you're a solid winning player that's just gross whether you want admit it or not stop putting money before principles..
The floor guy was correct on his decision, if you guys make a DEAL you need to be away from the table or the payout on the DEAL has to not be from chips in play on the TABLE. It’s a casino not a home game.
I've seen this exact situation happen before. The guy went allin and mucked his cards with a player left to act. The only remaining live hand took the pot. BTW, the guy shoved about 540 into a 100 $ pot, the remaining player had him covered and scooped his whole stack. Guy was pissed. My question is, what if the remaining player doesnt have the allin player covered. Like say, a player shoves for 500, everyone folds except for a player with 250, the guy with 500 mucks his cards after shoving, does the 250 player get 250? Weird situation.
I don't give a shit if he puts his cards in an envelope and mails them to China, if he goes all in you have the option to call. That's poker 101.
I dont know how you get this amount of premium hands. I could play a hole session and not get a single premium hand
bro KJ isnt exactly AA. youre losing the all in roughly 35% of the time anyway. keep the whale happy so he keeps dumping more.
65% chance to double my money, I will take that any day.
As for the amount of money i am willing to put in, let Kelly decide.
How much did you have in the pot?
If you have nothing in the pot, you should fold
Thanks for a very entertaining video Romulo! glad the fish was reasonable with the $250
Glad you enjoyed it
The floor ruling was ridiculous. With the floor's logic I could shove all in and muck my hand immediately then no one would be able to call and I would win every hand.
Also the one dude telling you to fold is collusion plain and simple. You cannot do this at the poker table ever. Dealers might let you get away with it once, but repeated actions like this will get you penalties and eventually kicked out.
Twice you folded KJ when the guy went all in. Now that he mucked his cards you claim that for sure you would call. The right thing to do is muck your hand!
At 13:57 you fold KQ against all in!
At 18:02 you fold KJ against all in as well!
Its funny how this session ended his yt carrer😃
You must be so miserable man… Check out my Brazilian channel @pokerlucrativo
Yea I think you asking for $250 was a bad look for you, guy just didnt want to be on video cant blame him for that, its just good poker etiquette whether a person is cool with you or not, the cards were mucked by mistake pay it forward and good things will come back to you always
First off the all in where you thought it was $400 but he was only $300 behind was wrong. The dealer should not be dealing him in without chips in front of him. The second ruling was even worse. Protect your hand at all times. You hadn’t acted yet. The floor should have ruled in your favor. Now after the floor didn’t, I would have requested to speak to the gaming commission.
Definitely. Its all about the Order of Turns in the Game. You still get to decide to Fold or go All in once he Says All in. The All in Guy cant muck after he goes all in unless he wants to Sacrifice his $540 to the only player left on the board. You were Very Fair to let him have Half to save him from His Mistake. Floor Person was Dead Wrong. He should not have a Job in my opinion, I was a pit boss, and a floor supervisor for several years, and your job is to keep the game fair when mistakes happen. that means he would loose his 540 to the Table, and you would have been the only one left to win the pot! lol 🙂
Oh yeah...call that one. Love when ppl go all in without looking.
you should get the $540.. you didn't make the error, the dealer didn't make the error, the poker manager didn't make the error. The guy made the error. I would have taken the $540 and then given him back $250. Then you get to be the cool guy.
I think the floor decision was terrible. The player's fold action was out-of-turn, yes, but assuming he'd seen action after his declaration of all-in blind, his $540 was in the pot. It's the player's responsibility to protect their cards, and a fold out of turn is still a fold once the cards hit the muck, so him mucking means his $540 is now dead money, and if you called the all-in or still had action to come, you were entitled to call it and take the pot as last man standing. The only, and I mean ONLY, bit of sense I can see with the floor ruling is that he sees the guy is a total fish and doesn't want to piss him off and get him out of the room, since he was spewing money on the table for y'all to take like candy from a baby (not a good call, but maybe I can see the logic of keeping the game going with the fish in it).
However, regardless of the ruling, the floor should ALSO have told him to let the dealer run the table, going to each player in their turn asking what their action is, and instructed the dealer to keep pointing where the current action is (yes, I know that's a little pedantic, but it's obvious the guy is altered enough that he might need the dealer's hand pointing at every player in turn to keep track of action).
I see the point that they can't let him pass you chips as a deal (though in a private game, absolutely this would be fine, and I think you offered him a deal that was $20 better than he deserved -- I'd have offered to let him take half his stack back at best), as it's against the rules in pretty much every card room, as an anti-collusion mechanic, even though it's obvious that you weren't colluding with him for anything.
And yes, this is how you have to deal with a maniac. Take what you can against them, and embrace the variance.
Ive had people incorrectly muck their cards vs me and i always made them pay, they need to learn a lesson so they dont do it again
So you want to take $300 from fish that's donating thousands and risk running him from the table? Hmmm...
@@theFairwayHackyep the whale is always right, until showdown of course.
imo. You just fold and let him be. It's like telling a horrible player he's horrible. He might leave. Why do you ever want to do something to make a fish leave the table. If he leaves after than hand, then you've killed the Goose that laid the Golden Eggs. Your saying you will look at the cards to decide makes absolutely no sense at all. You win the pot either way if you call. So just call or fold.
You should not be allowed to play at the same table as one of your friends. Odds are you are colluding. Even if you aren't, this is the image you are giving people. You owe the establishment and the player a public apology.
There's a group of GTO boys, self-proclaimed anyways, at my local casino. I find it odd how they're win. Rate dropped when the casino banned them from playing together.
Either put the work in and truly be one of the greats or don't play at all.
Idk about this idea.
I can tell you when me and my friend are at the same table, we are trying to rip each other's face off and eat it.
There are no friends at the poker table and we both believe game integrity to be the most important thing when playing.
So maybe they were working together, or maybe not. ( obviously I wasn't there)
Don't shit on GTO, it will help your win rate.
Start with From the Ground up by Pete Clarke on Runitonce.
It certainly made me a much better player.
Honestly, with a guy all in blind like that everytime...just let it go and fold your cards. Keep him happy and most importantly at the table. You'll have plenty of other opportunities. You're up over 1k at that point, it's a bad look to try making a deal like that
What is the background song called?
Rule #1 the 🐋🐋🐋 is always right!! (Kinda sorta, but you know what I mean)
BTW, tip that floor man for keeping the gentlemen happy with a peaceful ruling ..”YOU CANT CALL!!”😅😅😅
Asking for a deal is fair, prior to completely understanding the official ruling- don’t push the envelope to yard.
Ultimately, stand your ground for what you think is fair. No need to argue or create enemies therefore, calling the floor over sooner than later is wise on your behalf. Whether the ruling is correct or not, is beyond your control. Just remember to make sure the floor (person) correctly understands your side of the story before the decision in final. ✌️
No Offfence, but in that situation, I would have just laughed it off, and said "Party foul, you've got next round". It puts another drink in his hand, nurse yours for the rest of the night. I"ve make him feel like the life of the party for buying a round and thinks we are his new best friends as we continue to take his money!
The floor was way out of line here. Dirty floor manager... Badly handled.
If the way they explained it was okay, then you can be heads up with anyone and know that you're loosing and just go all in and fold at the same time. It's like a cheat code.
Dude, you are off on your ethics. you colluded in the 99 hand, you know that right? That's the hand you should be talking about, not that the guy drunkenly mucked his hand and you tried to exploit him. That guy is funding the table and you are going to take advantage of him because he made a stupid mistake? nope, not on your side here.
Best hope nobody shows this vlog to resorts both will be banned for colluding definitely unacceptable yous already had the edge with a whale shipping blind I’m outraged
Easy answer: he said he had AK. Call and let the hand play out. If your KJ wins, take your money. If not, say "I play the board" and chop it up. That makes it fair.
not sure the casino will give you the option to play the board, I believe there is a rule that in a showdown you have to show both cards to win the pot?
After he mucks, it doesn’t matter if you have aces, fold. Move on. Or take your dollar from the pot and stop angling. Don’t tap the glass
You can never put a player all in. It’s up to the other player to go all in. Minor point.
VERY entertaining episode
Glad to hear it Scott
Nunca faça nada que vá ferir seus princípios. Se vc se respeitar, será sempre respeitado!
Te amo e te admiro muito ❤️
I'm 100% taking that guys money. I dont care what cards i have, if you bet and muck, thats my pot! Resorts World should be embarrassed by the call/behavior of their floor person.
Floor guy is wrong. You didn’t fold, the hand was still live.
Honestly I think you should have appealed to the state gaming commission, if the casino was in the wrong, by forcing you to fold they would become responsible for the 540 to you.
You call and take the pot. What's fair is you being able to take your action on your hand.
There is a lot of way overreaction, and misunderstanding of rules etc
There have been LOTS of times on TV poker, where a person IN THE HAND tells another player to fold, etc. Eric Person does that a lot.
It wasnt Poker Profit that was telling another player to fold. It was another player telling Poker Profit to fold. Thats NOT Poker Profit's fault.
And while its technically NOT good ettiquette, there is a difference between good ettiquette and LEGAL, Rules compliant, etc.
If someone IN THE HAND, where its their turn to act, they have the legal, rules compliant right, even tho technical bad ettiquete, to tell players not to call THEIR bet.
Like I said, Eric Person and other table talking pros tell people not to call them, to throw players off, get them to make a mistake, and either call or fold when they shouldnt.
Thats actually part of the game of poker.
Also if it was illegal, not rules compliant for the player making the bet, to tell a player to fold, the dealer would have said so, or the dealer or another player would have called for the floor guy, and the floor, floor guy would have given the bettor telling others to fold a warning.
Also the rule you guys are thinking of is where somebody NOT in the hand, WHERE IT IS NOT THEIR TURN, and where they are not the one betting, tells any of the players to fold.
And even your guys reasoning is flawed. Tho your right that the reason not to tell to fold, is it effects the hand, in this hand you only had 3 potential players in hand.
1. The all in player. 2. The reraise player that told the 3rd player to fold. 3. The last to act, complete the action player got told to fold and folded.
Now in that scenario, telling to fold wasnt harming, wasnt going to impact who win the hand, except that all in wouldnt win as much if win, because of fold.
But other then that, not much effect, because whether 3rd player calls or not, all in's odds of winning does not improve by 3rd player calling.
If anything the player who said to fold is only hurting themselves as if they hadnt said anything, Poker Profit with his 77 would have called, and the QQ player who said to fold would have probably won more.
But he was just being nice, and it cost him money, and that was his PUNISHMENT.
Also while the QQ guy was telling the truth about how Poker Profit should fold, he could have been lying to Poker Profit, and in that kind of situation Poker Profit could have theoretically been folding the best hand.
It also sets up a possible successful future bluff of poker profit, because maybe next time he doesnt have QQ, and has 76 suited instead, and gets Poker profit to fold 88 to a 76 suited bluff.
Table talk like this is part of poker, and as long as this kind of table talk is not by somebody EITHER NOT IN HAND OR WHERE NOT THEIR TURN, OR WHERE THEY ARE NOT THE ONE MAKING THE BET.
The QQ guy, it was HIS TURN TO ACT. HE MADE THE BET. THE GUY HE TOLD TO FOLD, WAS LAST TO ACT, THERE WAS ONLY ALL IN, AND HIM, AND THE GUY HE TOLD TO FOLD, AND BECAUSE OF THAT THE GUY HE TOLD TO FOLD, WHO FOLDED DIDNT REALLY HAVE MUCH EFFECT, AND BY TELLING TO FOLD, HE WAS PRETTY MUCH ONLY HURTING HIMSELF, MAKING IT SO THAT HE GOT LESS MONEY, AND HE WAS JUST TRYING TO BE NICE.
And there was NO COLLUSION, etc.
These type of situations happen a lot.
What the QQ player did was technically allowable and despite that only technically against Good Ettiquette, and if have a problem with this then YOUR OVERREACTING.
And your especially overreacting by blaming Poker Profit.
If you have to blame somebody, then you blame QQ guy, even tho thats overreacting too.
You see this type of stuff allowed all the time on TV poker by table talking pros.
GET OVER IT.
SHEESH.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment Mike
BTW you're simply burning money when you 4x a tight lady all in with KQs
If it aint stupidity its a setup..all in- in the dark, then muck your hand before a player with cards has a chance to call..and the floor has your back? 🤨 if they letting that go like nothing happened then I'm confident theres alot more sketchy 💩 going on than that
agreed. The other players need an opportunity to act. Its not their fault the dumb-a$$ acted out of turn. The floor was all the way wrong.
That was a terrible decision by the floor. So all you have to do is jam every hand and instant muck
Did mask now came back there again?
You can’t leave money inside the table, but you can not leave money on the table.
I would do whatever I could to keep him happy and in the game. In this case that would be just muck my hand and move on to the next one. All his cash is there for the taking.
Whale verbalized all-in in the dark and gets confused and mucks his hand (22:27), but you haven't had a chance to act yet and therefore still have a live hand (good on you for protecting your cards against floor). It is a player's responsibility to protect their cards and to know the rules. VERBAL IS BINDING. Ignorance is never an excuse for breaking the law; however, exceptions can (and are) made. The same with NLTH rules. In this case, I would have put hole cards face down in front of him and said, "Pick one and I'll match your 'All-in' if you like your card. Dealer will run out the 5 community cards & winner takes it. We both get option to fold pre-flop but it will kill the hand.". Gotta lean into those maniacs!🤠♠️♥️♣️♦️🙉🙈🙊
Making the deal with a player giving all the free action is pitiful, mis-reg behavior.
24:05 I would side with you BUT you showed folding AQ earlier...So I am siding with the Fish.
Why are you so sure if you only raised to $200 with AA that when he called you'd have won? I lose with AA and KK about 20-25% of the time calling all in pre-flop
FLOOR. WAS. RIGHT. You are not entitled to his chips if he has no way to defend the money in the pot on that street. If there was a pot in the middle, then you would be the winner of that pot, and not any chips he put in on that street before you acted on your hand.
The simple answer is to tell the floor you disagree with the decision and will be appealing to the state gaming commission, and let it go from there. If the casino was right then it is what it is, if they were wrong they would become responsible for the potential loss, which is best case for everyone. The whale keeps his money and the casino would pay up so the player would get payed.
Is there legit logic around raising blind every turn? I'm new to poker but it seems like not only an asshole move, but a bad decision.
@Poker Profit: if the whale instant mucks his cards after going all in & hasn’t peaked at his cards before other players take action - Then I’d let it go even if you had AA.
I’m on the side that - it’s good for poker community to accommodate this kind of action players.
Should’ve called then gave him back half
$250 is more than fair - resorts world screwed you over bad
That floor needs to go back to poker school...