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- amzn.to/48XPPTj As we just got in the Rock tumbling to make larp mats, I bought a few different tumblers because I wasn't quite sure of the differences. Extreme tumblers have a lot of features for the money and can produce products faster while carrying additional payloads. This video is a side-by-side comparison of both the tumblers that I bought so people can see the major differences.
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Nice to see see the two in action side-by-side. I personally prefer a slower RPM.
Thanks for watching!
@@LarpCraft most welcome
Except the extreme isn’t designed for rocks , it’s specifically designed for steel media and brass, it turns at a far to high a rate for rocks
Say what you will. We've tumbled lots of rocks in this and they turn out beautiful.
Actually, the extreme now offers a slower turning barrel, made for rocks. I have it and have been using it now about 1 month. The leveling feet and the bearings do impress me as something that will give me a much longer longer life and the price point was good.
how come you didn't use the comparable thumler Tumber? the B model has a lid like the extreme tumbler.... not sure the other differences
Extreme is way tougher, has bearings not bushings, base is thicker, motor is stronger, belt is better... it's just hands down better built.
Question with what you've seen; Is the Extreme overly aggressive on the tumbling, or does the inner coating cancel the aggressive nature of the tumble? My concern is the possibility of catastrophic break down of what is being tumbled doe to speed.
Na, I haven't had any issues yet. - Artenen
Did the Extreme 17 come with Stainless Steel Media? And, thanks for the video!!
When we got it, we didn't buy it with any package, just the machine. We do use media in it to take the rust off steel that we use in our arrowheads.
I just set up my Extreme 17, it’s working away in the studio as I write this. In my opinion it’s very well made. My studio is full of the best metal working machinery such as Ellis, Burr King, Miller, Kama, I know good equipment and have no complaints with the tumbler. The motor is 1250 rpm, turn down appears to be excellent. Minor issue was having to burnish the inside of the motor pulley in order to slip it on the shaft, all else great.
Thanks for sharing!
I have a Model "B". It's set up for rocks. I'm hoping the Barrels are the same size or fit. Had a little Thumbler rock kit as a kid. Had a nice conversation with Al one evening. Just the same thing only a little different. Put parts in. Turn on. Wait some time. Remove parts. Pretty simple. Both should be great.
+Glen Craig but bushings as opposed to bearings and a thicker metal and stronger motor with built-in switch there is no comparison the extreme is better.
Thanks for the response. I totally understand. That's why I'm buying yours too. Your Model "B" in the vid is not the same as mine, or others out there. The barrel is different. Size is different. Bearings, big plus! Heavier base is needed for bearings. Another plus.
I'm not getting it to replace my old, slow Model "B", but to let me do other things it can't do as good.
Looks like the best value to try stainless media for the first time too. Thanks again for your response.
Apples to oranges! This not the metal container model of Thumblers Tumblers. Slower rpm prevents damage to ROCKs being tumbled which is the original design for Thumbler. Plastic pellets are also added to cushion the polishing rocks. Not a fair review!
Sorry you feel that way. We spin metal and rock and looking at the key differences in the build quality was night and day difference, which spawned this video out of disappointment.
You showed the Thumler's less expensive 12 pound tumbler, not their top of the line Model B. It's not a fair representation at all. Shame on you.
Look, I bought what I could afford. These two were in the same price category. Thus, they were reviewed. Shame on you for trying to belittle me for my honest opinions. There is no comparisons... if they were close, I wouldn't even of made this darn review, most likely. The poor quality of the thumblers and lack of features made me upset enough to speak out! Look, I love buying American, which is why I got the thumblers first. But the things lacking are simply unacceptable especially for new folks coming I to the hobby.
Is the rubber lining in the extreme removable like the thumlers model B? Can you upload a video to show the inside?
Yup it can be removed and replaced if needed. Search youtube for rebel 17 other videos show the removal.
Yes it is and it's thicker too so it'll last longer.
HI, thanks for the review.
I would like to ask what is the motors wattage and rpm please, as I am in the process of building my own stone tumbler, oops nearly forgot the pulley sizes please.
Many thanks
David
From the UK
I don't have that information, it's currently packed away.
So what are you using now, I was about to grab the Rebel 17, but this is 6 years ago thought you might have found better?!
We still have that same rebel
Do you think the Rebel 17 turns too fast to tumble glass... to make sea glass? Thanks
Mine doesn’t seem to go as fast as the one in this video...
hmm interesting.
Thank you for the comparison! I couldnt decide between these two and now i have! Is it me or is the extreme 17 much bigger also
How do you like the extreme? We love ours.
@@LarpCraft actually never ended up getting it, got the Franklin arsenal tumbler instead, i felt that the rebel may have been to big (for now) for my needs so thought the brass wouldnt get tumbled enough if there was too little brass and to much space
@@x14inchdubsx30 Thanks for the report! How do you like the Franklin?
@@LarpCraft havnt used it yet, still depriming my brass
The 2 tumblers you have in this video can't really be compared accurately. The way you're comparing them is like comparing a DeWalt DCP580B hand planer to a DeWalt DW734 thickness planer. Both good but still different. The Extreme Rebel 17 is a 17 lb tumbler and the Thumler AR12 is a 12 lb tumbler. The Extreme might have 2 different motors, 1 for Rocks and 1 for other material. Thumler model B (15 lb), which is the closest in size to the Extreme 17, does have 2 different motors, 1 for Rocks and 1 for casings and other metals.
Can I run it without the rubber lining? Because I want to use it as a ball Mills for crushing
you'll wreck the housing eventually and it won't seal without it.
Is it possible to add steel balls to these to turn them into a mini ball mill ? I need to turn sand to powder.
I'd think so.
Better check those pillow block bearings. They are suppose to be self aligning pillow block. But if they have a lot of lateral slop or play back and forth. Bad pillow block. Pillow blocks are suppose to have some movement, but there is suppose to be lateral resistance in that movement. I bought new ones because of this.
ok, sounds good.
I just bought my new Extrim rock tumbler for making black powder ( pyrotechnic) my problem is the roteting speed 40 rpm I want 80 rpm is it possible ?
This one is one speed.
There is now a low speed version of the Rebel 17.
Good to know!
May I know the total weight of this machine ( I mean empty tumbler and base of the machine)?
I don't have that info as it's currently packed away.
Seen a used rebel 17 for sale $150. They asking too much, used?
Not sure.
that other tumbler is designed for brass isnt it? the high speed kinda feels like a brass tumbler lol
It does both
@@LarpCraft ok ty.
No problem have a great night 😀
Can you do rocks?
Yes, we do polished stone for currency in-game as well.
Can the extreme tumbler do rocks
all day long.
Compare a 15 pound thumlers tumbler to that one
I'm good with what I got, thanks. Unless they send me one, this is all the comparison videos I plan to make.
Faster turning tumbler isn't always better.
True
Where can I purchase the extreme tumbler?
Looks like it's on sale here accubrass.com/products/extreme-rebel-17-rotary-tumbler-stainlesstumblingmedia?variant=6781043653 for $217.
I got mine on Amazon. I get 5% back with my amazon card so it ended up being an okay deal and the shipping was fast!
If you hear someone speak of tumbling brass and use the term "hours", they are doing it wrong.
2 phases
wash with dawn to remove dirt - 30 mins
decap brass, resize
polish with phosphoric acid and pins to polish - 45 mins
Marc M-252 Tuff Stuff Commercial Cleaner - amazon
20% phosphoric acid
cap full
Rinse, place tumbler in a 5 gallon bucket of water
to get water out of brass, place on towel and shake back and forth as if polishing a bowling ball
DO NOT BUY IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ALSO BUY THE FRANKFORD MAGNET
if you don't listen, you will learn... lol
Watching reloading videos for precision shooting and some tumble for more hours based on how dirty the brass is. THe max I've seen is 4 hours must are 30 min - 2 hours, kinda falls into what you were saying. Thanks for the input!
How much tuff stuff u use. about 10 seconds of spray in the water/tumbler?
Extreme too for fast rocks, Thumbler's too slow for brass.
Zero issue doing rocks in the extreme, we make them for game items all the time.
@@LarpCraft how rough is material you start with?
@@powerlinekid4296 fairly rough, stone cut for tumbling hard to soft stones, never had a problem with it.
@@LarpCraft ok, thanks.
@@LarpCraft Depends on the types of rocks. Higher speeds will pose a greater risk of damage, especially with more fragile types of rock.
The "Extreme Tumbler" is also made in China.
I couldn't find any info related that that comment but wouldn't doubt it.
@@LarpCraft YEP! When I bought mine on the underside, a sticker "MADE IN CHINA"
poor choice for the Thumbler.... at least compare apples to apples.
These were both in the same price point. Ordered the Thumbler first then saw it was far inferior to the Extreme so did a review. Very disappointed in the Thumbler for build quality and not using bearings. Such a weak motor as well.
For those that do not know, the Model B has a barrel that holds about 20 lbs of content and the motor is a 3100 RPM instead of the normal 1500 RPM. Matter of fact, it looks like the tumbler on your left is a copy of the Thumler but with a different base. Is this supposed to be some entry video to get you hired in with the Onion? Good show! HAR! You had me thinking this was real for a second there... Gotta love the fake news and fake reviews...
umm... wow, ok. Right away bent out of shape because the thumler did't live up to the name.. fake huh? Bought the thum first as it was American made and a reputable company based on peer reviews and support. What a pile of junk compared to the extreme. Was very disappointing to see the lack of features. We don't usually review this type of equipment but this product was so horrible, it had to be made. Get an extreme and see for yourself. Looks like your a gun lover, the firearm community reviews on the extreme are what prompted the 2nd tumbler purchase. Cleaning brass in the extreme is twice as fast!
I use my extreme for rock tumbling. Typically it’s a one week tumble before you open it up... I couldn’t wait that long and took a peek at day five and the grit was completely gone. I’m glad I looked. Turns out that this tumbler works much more quickly! I don’t have a model B so I can’t compare it to that, this is just my experience.
The model B Thumbler has the choice of low speed or optional high speed motor.
The Model B holds 15 lbs, not 20 and comes in both a high speed and low speed option. The tumbler in the video isn't a copy. It's a model A-R12 with a 12 lb capacity. The problem with tumbling rocks at a high speed is that they will be more prone to breakage/cracking/bruising.