on the outside, a good scrubber and lots of elbow grease is hard to beat. On the inside, those hard to get areas can often be helped by putting a handful of BB's in the canteen and rolling them around for a few minutes.
Trick I did for my military canteens....Sacrifice the last link in the chain (cut with wire clippers) and install a small split-ring key chain to the end of the links and the connection on the canteen. That way you can just slide the chain out of the key ring and remove the cap. Works like a champ, try it out.
Dude, I know my opinion doesn't really matter and it's completely YOUR channel to do with as you please, but I do think the quick intro is waaaaay better. It's fast, unobtrusive, but still memorable and gets you ready for some E2E action! Awesome, bro!
My set-up is a plastic G.I. canteen with cup on the bottom that has butterfly folding handles. Below the cup is a modern canteen stove, also form-fitting. Carried in a Rothco canteen cover. It's an excellent all-around kit that allows for carrying water, purifying it by boiling water, and a stove for canteen-cooking.
Adam, I applaude you for the caution regarding plastic and aluminum. I stopped using them many years ago. Just because they are BPA free doesn't mean they are safe. As always, thanks for a nice review.
I always crack up when people refuse to drink out of plastic. How do you think the water comes into your home?? Through plastic pipes man!! There is literally no way possible to drink water that didn't flow through plastic at some point unless you filter all your water directly from a lake. Having said that, I prefer drinking from SS because I like the taste better and it reminds me of drinking from my grandfather's artesian well as a child.
I agree that water tastes better from SS. I also wonder why it tastes better? If no chemicals are leaching from the nalgene bottle, then how can the water taste differently in SS versus Plastic or Nalgene?
You may want to keep the canteen holster, it helps to handle your hot cup, and after you boil your water at night you can put your bottle in it so you can put it in your sleeping bag for warmth without burning yourself. You can also dip the holster in water so your water cools faster and stay cold. We often used to bend a spoon and carry it inside -the spoon nests in the "shoulder" of the canteen. Last tip: a coton hankerchief between the canteen and the cup makes this thing noise-free. P. P.
Hi! I had a french aluminium canteen when i was in french army, and i still use it for backpacking. There is some interesting mods you can make with it: first you put ducktape around the cain because the rattling noise is very annoying, and you cut 2 chain 'rings' and replace them with a keyring, so you can remove the cap when you boil water. When you do this, keep the canteen in the cup and spread out the handles for stability; aluminium have a very good heat conductivity.
Nalgene is very forward in what types of plastic's are used in their bottles. Just visit their website>explore and select either "Safe" or "Materials". All their bottles are BPS, BPA, and Phthalate free. BUT note that heating plastic beyond certain ranges (The range is usually just above boiling) can release some of the plastic resins into the water. They are perfectly safe, just don't heat them over a fire!
I use a 64 Oz Klean Canteen for my filtered water, And an untapered Guyot Nalgene for cooking. I drilled 2 2mm holes through the "lip"under the lid,and mounted a 2 foot long chain to it so i can use it like a kettle.I rub a little bio-soap around its bottom, so the soot does come off more easily. As for the plastic bottles: i agree to everything Adam said. As long as Plastic producers don't have to declare their formulae or recipes (with softeners) i am highly sceptic about their longterm safety
Best system I have used is a standard plastic military canteen pared with a kidney cup. The pouch which comes with it has a large enough pocket to hold a hexi stove, fuel and fire starter so you have everything to purify water.
Good comment on the slanted bottom bottles. I recently bought one without thinking and went out on a hike, the dam thing rattled so much it drove me nuts. As for the plastic safety, my dad works in the petrochemical industry and people would be blown away as to what goes into making one of those. BPA is not the only thing to be worried about. Take care guys!
Outstanding video,,,, I am sort of new to drinking containers so this was a great halp...being retired military,,I was stuck with the military canteen my whole life.... Your video will assist me in picking a water container that suits me,,, thanks again...
The BEST thing I've found to clean and sterilize stainless steel bottles is Polident Tabs, although I'm sure any denture cleaner tabs would work! I have a stainless thermos I use for work, and I fill it with cold water once a month, and drop a tab into it and let sit overnight. I'm serious, this works!
With the Guyot bottle, you could place the steel cup over the lid of the bottle rather than putting the bottle into the cup. I just tried it out and verified it works a bit better.
another downside you forgot to mention about plastics is they hold odor..If you have drinks besides water in them,the plastic will soak up the taste..I think the benefits of SS outweigh the slight weight increase..ymmv
A green 3M scouring pad will remove almost anything from metal, including burned on stains and soot from cooking. A blue 3M scrubbing pad is almost as good, and doesn’t scratch ‘no-stick’ surfaces. I fold the pads in half for use at home, but for camping I cut them in half to use less rinse water.
Adam I know I have grilled you before for some of your reviews but I think this was a good review. If your just getting started in the outdoor lifestyle you can spend a lot of money on hit and miss gear. I personally use a WW2 replica stainless steel canteen with cup and lid and love it and it only cost me about $30. I understand peoples comments on plastic it is every wear in our society but the reality is plastics have only been around for 50 years and we are still learning about what chemicals can leach out "BPA". The fact is I don't trust plastic as well because we are still playing around with formulas to make it harder/softer/flexible/ and durable. If we are still playing around with it to perfect it then we still have more to learn. Keep up the good work.
I prefer something stainless steel while hiking, as it's very strong and it has the ability to boil water from an open camp fire, making it a one item solution for when lightness is of the essence, like when you are walking 15 - 20 miles a day on a 3 day hike. Also, I prefer something with a wide mouth (and no, I'm not talking about women) it just makes it easier and quicker fill and to keep it clean and visually see it's clean. Guyot Designs bottle tick all the boxes for me. But hey, if I'm just out camping and not planning a heavy day's walking, a plastic Nalgene bottle with a nested Tatonka metal cup does me just fine. You don't need to spend a fortune, i can go over the top with equipment paying top dollar, but on the other side of the spectrum i have done over nighters with a 2 ltr bottle of water from a shop and a 50 year old dented enamelled tin cup that belonged to my granddad, a grubby old tarp roll, a just as grubby wool blanket, a Swiss army knife with a few cans of beans (which were turned into billy cans for further cooking and boiling usage) in a old canvas knapsack and had just as much fun in the great out doors.
My favorite ‘canteen’ is a 32 oz. Powerade bottle. They cost less than $1.00 each, weigh about one third as much as most nalgene ‘sports’ bottles, come prefilled with tasty sports drinks in a variety of flavors, and when they begin to show wear after weeks of use; just drop them in a recycle bin and buy another.
The 20oz klean canteen can be hung over the fire by attaching a 2" automotive hose clamp around the neck with a split ring key chain ring. Those are my second favorite after the USGI as they cannot be worn on the hip.
Good review. One thing about a military canteen that is hard to beat and that is the ease of carry. These were designed to hang on a belt. All others just don't hang easily or they are made for a pack carry. I can set my pack down and still have my canteen on my waist or if it is attached to the pack, I can remove it and easily hook it to my waist and get going. The others you buy pouches for but they always hang funny, either on your waist or more often than not off your shoulder. This is just my feeling, others may not be bothered. Sadly I have wasted a lot of money to find that out.
While I can appreciate your attention to detail, I don't understand the need for this debate. The weights are accurate based on the scale I used for all the items. If you don't believe me I will upload a photo album of pictures with the canteen on the scale. As for the guyot at 13:01 I state it was 32 Oz. The 240z Commuter is an extremely tapered that fits in the standard car cup holders. The Backpacker does not have any taper. There are three different models.
The wide mouthed bottle are a lot easier to fill from springs etc. This more than makes up for the difficulties (?) in drinking from them. I haven't had any such problems. You just have to be careful!
I have nalgene bottles that are stainless steel if that is what you are referring too. I have used plastic bottles in the past, I attempt to stay clear of them now-a-days. The majority of all my canteens now are stainless steel. Hope that answers your questions.
I use mine more as a cook kit with the bottle being used to store my dinner water/ reserve water supply. Also I highly recommend the heavy cover stainless lid if you can get it. There is a usgi and NATO version.
You can drink out of the plastic nalgene without any problem, bcause they'r BPA free ;) Actually you can fill them up with boiling water without having a "plastic taste" in the water later... all the best, Max (BCB)
I've been using the Pathfinder Store version of the stainless steel, large mouth canteen and cooking set since they brought it out. I've never been so impressed with a set in my life. There is also the fact that they sell the case for it for only $3. Yes... THREE dollars. They also sell their version, but it isn't necessary.
I use mine to store the water I reserve for cooking. Kept buried in the pack it's great for that. I also highly recommend the heavy cover lid as an add on to either the NATO ss cup or the usgi cup. Good luck getting your hands on one though!
Good rule to follow is that your water container should be the heaviest thing in your pack. Water is life, I would rather carry extra weight as far as water disinfecting is concerned then anything else.
Check out your local Goodwill store, I picked up Kleen Canteen stainless bottles and Nalgeen bottles (stamped BPA free on the bottom for $1-2 each. A little soapy water and you saved a fast $40. Kleen Canteen sells new caps for $3-4 on Ebay if you need one. I tried the very used French aluminum canteen and it was just too nasty. Thanks for making good videos. I appreciate you hard work and preperation.
I know you said that you were discussing ones that can be cooked in but I am advocating the purchase of a specific model for hiking, it's something you can find for about $11 on amazon, search 2 quart canteen and look for the one that says with strap, comes with the canteen, the carrier (fur lined) and strap for $11 shipped, AMAZING value and GREAT for lightweight camping, I just bring that and a machete for most 5-10 mile hikes
Great points and info on importance of Weight. I love my 18oz Wide Mouth Klean Canteen which I obtained through Trade (ferro rod 5$ & 1$: 5in one survival whistle). Fantastic Product These modern Canteens are truly an improvement from the 1861 Wooden Canteens and 1918 WWI Canteens..LOL..I am now on the look out for 40oz Stainless Steel, Wide Mouth Kleen Canteen. Another Great Vid !! Cheers Equip2Endure Team.
Just some quick fun facts about the 40oz klean canteen...they make diffrent screw on sport tops for easy drinking that you can switch out, and if you pair the 40oz klean canteen with nesting cup in the condor H20 pouch and some malice clips then you can wear it horizontal scout style on your belt if you chose...
Yes it's a good point to add the NATO pattern kit to this review. The bottle is plastic so it doesn't meet Adams preferences. I'll put in my $.02 though. IMHO the NATO water bottle cook kit combo is probably the best designed military cook system. However as a primary canteen it sucks because you have to disassemble the thing to get at the water.
I prefer the wide mouth bottles. I had trouble finding a brush that would fit in a GI canteen. If you want ice, the wide mouth will fit standard ice cubes. Opaque bottles are harder to see if they are cleaned properly so are (I think) less friendly if you drink something other than water from home. I think the plastic nalgene are far more versatile for juice + food. If it's going on your belt, the canteen is probably the way to go. The hard hat w/ the 2 beer cans + a tube has it's use too. Lol
Nice vid! Once a month I change the water in my bottles and H2O carriers. I use denture cleaner tabs (2 per 30 oz) and let soak overnite, rinse well and re-fill with fresh water. So far all is well! I like SSteel much better than any other material, but have been known to use the dreaded plastic Nalgene. Maybe that explains some of my erratic behavior! ;) Thanks for the great info!
USA, USA, USA... I have always liked the US canteen and since i just got the steel cover heating water is quick. With a canteen carry pouch it can be conected to almost any type of bag or belt. However, as was stated in the video you get less water. 2nd I would go the new clean canteen, simply because it can boil water right in it. If you don't mind getting it blackend. Good video though, many choices to look at.
have you ever done vacuum flask cooking ? i have found it useful saving on fuel, normally set it up in the morning and use it for my midday meal saving myself time and effort. It is essential to heat food to a safe temperature before vacuum cooking 60 °C for at least 10 minutes will kill most temperature-sensitive bacteria. The food is then safe to cook at below safe temperature for several hours. slow cooker or crock pot recipes can be adapted easily to use in a vacuum cooker. bon appetit
I use a stainless steel Nalgene bottle 32 once (non tapered/wide mouth. I put in in the fire if i need it. Have also a small billycan and a mug (iron) with coating (white/blue).
Great video, Adam. This topic has been on my mind lately, and the products you feature in this vid are among the options I am currently carrying, or considering for future experimentation. I use the wide-mouth, 40oz KK, because I can screw my Katadyn water filter onto it. The 40oz KK also fits into my GSI Soloist cookset, which -- along with a Trangia alcohol burner & Vargo Ti base / windscreen, and Katadyn filter -- cover all of my short-term water purification & food prep needs.
I find it hard to find good metal canteens. A lot of stores now sell plactic. I use a Source Outdoor Tactical Gear WXP Hydration System, 3-Liter. Military grade. However I do agree with you on metal canteens. You need something more universal. By the way been following you videos for about a year now and I have to say I enjoy the reviews you have on gear etc. It actually helps me choose what type of gear I need. Thank you again for the info you give out.
I have to wear a partial denture made from a hard plastic. It sits in my mouth all day long, every day. I'm not all that worried about keeping water in a plastic bottle. I bet you eat food that comes in a plastic packet and I bet you buy drinks stored in plastic too.
You know I have to admit I have concerns, but mine are in the area of bottled water and other bottled drinks. When you look at the list of safe to reuse plastics, all these drinks are in the bottles you shouldn't re-use, including milk
From memory the canteens which I run are Australian made and are BPA free, could be wrong as I have had them for some time but pretty sure thats why I grabbed them.
Fee bottle woooot! :) suggestion thou, you can wrap a bandanna around the bottom of your bottle and will tighten the fit inside a cup and catch condensation.
You have to look at the big picture with toxins, I'll see people complain about plastic leaching water bottles then a few hours later cook a ready meal in a cheap disposable plastic container in the microwave. When I stopped smoking, walking beside a fairly busy road for 30 minutes would make the carbon monoxide detector go up to No. 9/10, a normal reading for a non smoker should be 2/3. What else are you breathing in? Do you really know what's in what you eat? Are we really picking the right battles if we want to cut down ALL the toxins in modern life?
Good lord, so many comments about the plastic thing. Okay, so it's probably a little silly to not drink from plastic BPA-free bottles... get over it, it's just his opinion (and, after all, before BPA leeching was known to be an issue, people probably thought it was silly and paranoid to not want to drink out of bottles with BPA in them). Anyway, I prefer prefer the wide-mouth bottles over the narrow mouth, especially for camping or wilderness survival (not that I'm doing any of the latter myself). My reason is that almost all water filters (that are bottle compatible) are gonna be compatible with wide mouth bottles. Even something like the Steri-Pen, which I have not used myself, but reviews suggest that it just doesn't work well with narrow-mouth bottles. Also, you can fit ice cubes in the wide mouth opening, if you're trying to keep your water cooler longer (most useful for insulated models). The benefits of narrow-mouth bottles are: more caps designed to drink directly out of them (for Klean Kanteen they have a sport lid that's only compatible with narrow mouth bottles; but their cafe cap works with wide-mouth, doesn't leak, and you can drink water out of it just as well as you could coffee); better insulation for insulated bottles (less non-insulated surface area at the lid- you'll notice the narrow-mouth insulated bottles are rated to keep hot or cold liquids hotter or colder, respectively, for longer). But for me, the benefits of wide-mouth bottles outweigh the benefits of narrow-mouth for most uses. The exception would probably be something like bicycle-riding, where you want more of a sport cap. Honestly, I'd be inclined to use a plastic bottle for cycling, which will also let you squirt water out and can take a fall better.
Evidently bunn, the commercial coffee maker company has a lid for some sort of coffee decanter that fits the gsi space saver cup like it was made for it. The part number is 02564.0000 Bunn Pour-In Lid Assembly (Cover) I haven't tried it myself but I've been meaning to.
I think you meant "grade" and not gauge for the steel. The numbers (18/8, 18/10, etc.) are the composition of the stainless steel and refer to the amount of chromium and nickel (respectively) in the product.
I have the 32 OZ guyot the cup will fit over the top I carry it hooked to my condor 2 in the 511 bottle holder and some times I mcarry 2 bottles my other is 40 oz clean canteen with the mouth like your 27 oz I was not aware of the bpa plastic being a problem thanks for the heads up but if I buy bottled water it is in plastic if I use tap water it sits and runs through plastic pipe into a plastic storage tank so no matter it is or has been in cintact with plastic!
The splash guards do fit the wide mouth Klean Kanteen but what I have encountered is that it won't stay in place with the lid on like a Nalgene bottle. The stainless steel inside on the cap knocks it to the bottom of the bottle.
I don't believe there is enough true research on the topic. Don't get me wrong, I would not be here without plastics. I just try to stay away if I don't have to use them. There is a lot of unknown about the productions, and a lot of health concerns that have been linked to the plastics.
Do some winter hiking in Canada or Alaska? I didn't think so. The military arctic cantene is better then all of those in that environment especially if you get it with the cup and pouch. The entire kit with cup and pouch cost about 15 bucks online.
Plastic are ONLY questionable when you burn it, and change it's chemical bond...which will release toxic fumes Plastic bottles are safe if left alone. Just remember to bring your nuts while you go hiking and you will be fine, unless you are also afraid of squirrels.
The most recent research would contradict your statement. Plastics are not as stable as previously believed, that is why they change color, fade, and have a smell, they are breaking down like everything else. The only issue is the simulate hormones when they breakdown. But based on the maturity of your response I don't believe you want to have a rational decision on the topic.
I'm a BioTechnician. I know a little on how science works. My immaturity response only goes out to those that reads the latest fads on things that companies are making millions off of. First, plastic bottles are bad, so companies created aluminum bottles to bank on. Next, they said aluminum was bad, so Stainless Steel bottles were marketed. After Stainless, companies are now trying to market titanium. Etc...All in all, it's a money sceme. The bottom line is, food grade plastic containers made without BPA are absolutely safe.
I have no reason to disprove what you say on your videos, but at least post a link to cite your research. Many people watch your videos, so it be very unfair for those that will just follow whatever your video tells them. Honestly, I find some of your videos helpful and informative, but please just stick to your field of expertise.
Stet Tan I have discussed areas and resources where people should do their own research and draw their own conclusions based on trusted sources. I agree that there is a money grab going on, and if you are a scientist you also know it's not a fact until it's proven a fact, which is a long process that requires money to create the studies. How long were we told BPA was safe? How many recalls took place for that in baby bottles and other food containers? Furthermore, Plastic formulas are proprietary, and are not regulated, so do you trust ever producer of plastic? I am aware that at this point in time it's almost impossible to get away from plastic, but I'm making a personal choice to stay away when I can. I believe that the possible risk is well worth my investment of a steel or titanium cup. I have also invested in glassware for my packed lunches. "I know a little how science works" as though it not a process of trial and error! Don't forget that sometimes we find supporting evidence for the incorrect conclusions. Especially when the guy paying for our labs, and are looking for a specific answer. In regards to "argument from authority" fallacy, I am a law enforcement officers, I have witnessed multiple "experts" arguing facts in open court both having evidence to support the theories that they pontificate as absolutes.
Stet Tan www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3222987/ This is a study from one of the lead polymer scientist with over 25 years in the field. He is not only identifying the problem, but trying to find a safe solution.
Thanks for the reply and sharing your experience with E2E. Glad to hear you made out ok. Take care, Be safe
-Adam
on the outside, a good scrubber and lots of elbow grease is hard to beat. On the inside, those hard to get areas can often be helped by putting a handful of BB's in the canteen and rolling them around for a few minutes.
Trick I did for my military canteens....Sacrifice the last link in the chain (cut with wire clippers) and install a small split-ring key chain to the end of the links and the connection on the canteen. That way you can just slide the chain out of the key ring and remove the cap. Works like a champ, try it out.
You're welcome. Thanks for the input and taking the time to research the information. Take care
-Adam
Dude, I know my opinion doesn't really matter and it's completely YOUR channel to do with as you please, but I do think the quick intro is waaaaay better. It's fast, unobtrusive, but still memorable and gets you ready for some E2E action! Awesome, bro!
Thanks for the input Max and for watching. Take care
-Adam
My set-up is a plastic G.I. canteen with cup on the bottom that has butterfly folding handles. Below the cup is a modern canteen stove, also form-fitting. Carried in a Rothco canteen cover. It's an excellent all-around kit that allows for carrying water, purifying it by boiling water, and a stove for canteen-cooking.
Adam, I applaude you for the caution regarding plastic and aluminum. I stopped using them many years ago. Just because they are BPA free doesn't mean they are safe. As always, thanks for a nice review.
I always crack up when people refuse to drink out of plastic. How do you think the water comes into your home?? Through plastic pipes man!! There is literally no way possible to drink water that didn't flow through plastic at some point unless you filter all your water directly from a lake. Having said that, I prefer drinking from SS because I like the taste better and it reminds me of drinking from my grandfather's artesian well as a child.
I agree that water tastes better from SS. I also wonder why it tastes better? If no chemicals are leaching from the nalgene bottle, then how can the water taste differently in SS versus Plastic or Nalgene?
+Win Stabell if plastic is good enough for the military and battle tested then it's good enough for me.
You may want to keep the canteen holster, it helps to handle your hot cup, and after you boil your water at night you can put your bottle in it so you can put it in your sleeping bag for warmth without burning yourself. You can also dip the holster in water so your water cools faster and stay cold. We often used to bend a spoon and carry it inside -the spoon nests in the "shoulder" of the canteen. Last tip: a coton hankerchief between the canteen and the cup makes this thing noise-free.
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I had a french aluminium canteen when i was in french army, and i still use it for backpacking.
There is some interesting mods you can make with it: first you put ducktape around the cain because the rattling noise is very annoying, and you cut 2 chain 'rings' and replace them with a keyring, so you can remove the cap when you boil water. When you do this, keep the canteen in the cup and spread out the handles for stability; aluminium have a very good heat conductivity.
Thanks for sharing your info with the E2E viewers. Much appreciated. Take care
-Adam
Mine has seen lots of use............Thanks for watching
Nalgene is very forward in what types of plastic's are used in their bottles. Just visit their website>explore and select either "Safe" or "Materials". All their bottles are BPS, BPA, and Phthalate free. BUT note that heating plastic beyond certain ranges (The range is usually just above boiling) can release some of the plastic resins into the water. They are perfectly safe, just don't heat them over a fire!
Or leave them in the sun or heat them up with the warmth from your hand...
Aka, avoid them
I use a 64 Oz Klean Canteen for my filtered water, And an untapered Guyot Nalgene for cooking.
I drilled 2 2mm holes through the "lip"under the lid,and mounted a 2 foot long chain to it so i can use it like a kettle.I rub a little bio-soap around its bottom, so the soot does come off more easily.
As for the plastic bottles: i agree to everything Adam said. As long as Plastic producers don't have to declare their formulae or recipes (with softeners) i am highly sceptic about their longterm safety
Best system I have used is a standard plastic military canteen pared with a kidney cup. The pouch which comes with it has a large enough pocket to hold a hexi stove, fuel and fire starter so you have everything to purify water.
great to hear, thanks for watching
Great tip. Thanks for sharing with the E2E viewers. Be safe
-Adam
Good comment on the slanted bottom bottles. I recently bought one without thinking and went out on a hike, the dam thing rattled so much it drove me nuts. As for the plastic safety, my dad works in the petrochemical industry and people would be blown away as to what goes into making one of those. BPA is not the only thing to be worried about. Take care guys!
Outstanding video,,,, I am sort of new to drinking containers so this was a great halp...being retired military,,I was stuck with the military canteen my whole life.... Your video will assist me in picking a water container that suits me,,, thanks again...
not 100% sure yet, we just got a all titanium model in this week, and will be testing soon.
The BEST thing I've found to clean and sterilize stainless steel bottles is Polident Tabs, although I'm sure any denture cleaner tabs would work! I have a stainless thermos I use for work, and I fill it with cold water once a month, and drop a tab into it and let sit overnight. I'm serious, this works!
With the Guyot bottle, you could place the steel cup over the lid of the bottle rather than putting the bottle into the cup. I just tried it out and verified it works a bit better.
another downside you forgot to mention about plastics is they hold odor..If you have drinks besides water in them,the plastic will soak up the taste..I think the benefits of SS outweigh the slight weight increase..ymmv
A green 3M scouring pad will remove almost anything from metal, including burned on stains and soot from cooking. A blue 3M scrubbing pad is almost as good, and doesn’t scratch ‘no-stick’ surfaces. I fold the pads in half for use at home, but for camping I cut them in half to use less rinse water.
Adam I know I have grilled you before for some of your reviews but I think this was a good review. If your just getting started in the outdoor lifestyle you can spend a lot of money on hit and miss gear. I personally use a WW2 replica stainless steel canteen with cup and lid and love it and it only cost me about $30. I understand peoples comments on plastic it is every wear in our society but the reality is plastics have only been around for 50 years and we are still learning about what chemicals can leach out "BPA". The fact is I don't trust plastic as well because we are still playing around with formulas to make it harder/softer/flexible/ and durable. If we are still playing around with it to perfect it then we still have more to learn. Keep up the good work.
A larger split ring or small amount of light wire rope can be attached to the USGI canteen making it easy to detach the cap and hang over the fire.
I prefer something stainless steel while hiking, as it's very strong and it has the ability to boil water from an open camp fire, making it a one item solution for when lightness is of the essence, like when you are walking 15 - 20 miles a day on a 3 day hike. Also, I prefer something with a wide mouth (and no, I'm not talking about women) it just makes it easier and quicker fill and to keep it clean and visually see it's clean.
Guyot Designs bottle tick all the boxes for me. But hey, if I'm just out camping and not planning a heavy day's walking, a plastic Nalgene bottle with a nested Tatonka metal cup does me just fine.
You don't need to spend a fortune, i can go over the top with equipment paying top dollar, but on the other side of the spectrum i have done over nighters with a 2 ltr bottle of water from a shop and a 50 year old dented enamelled tin cup that belonged to my granddad, a grubby old tarp roll, a just as grubby wool blanket, a Swiss army knife with a few cans of beans (which were turned into billy cans for further cooking and boiling usage) in a old canvas knapsack and had just as much fun in the great out doors.
+1 for the Kleen Kanteen. Have a 40oz and recently picked up a 64oz. Wonderful product.
Klean kanteens rock! I have two and I wouldn't trade them for anything.
My favorite ‘canteen’ is a 32 oz. Powerade bottle. They cost less than $1.00 each, weigh about one third as much as most nalgene ‘sports’ bottles, come prefilled with tasty sports drinks in a variety of flavors, and when they begin to show wear after weeks of use; just drop them in a recycle bin and buy another.
The 20oz klean canteen can be hung over the fire by attaching a 2" automotive hose clamp around the neck with a split ring key chain ring. Those are my second favorite after the USGI as they cannot be worn on the hip.
Good review. One thing about a military canteen that is hard to beat and that is the ease of carry. These were designed to hang on a belt. All others just don't hang easily or they are made for a pack carry. I can set my pack down and still have my canteen on my waist or if it is attached to the pack, I can remove it and easily hook it to my waist and get going. The others you buy pouches for but they always hang funny, either on your waist or more often than not off your shoulder. This is just my feeling, others may not be bothered. Sadly I have wasted a lot of money to find that out.
Great tip......will have to try that. Thanks for watching.
While I can appreciate your attention to detail, I don't understand the need for this debate. The weights are accurate based on the scale I used for all the items. If you don't believe me I will upload a photo album of pictures with the canteen on the scale. As for the guyot at 13:01 I state it was 32 Oz. The 240z Commuter is an extremely tapered that fits in the standard car cup holders. The Backpacker does not have any taper. There are three different models.
Thanks, glad you like it.
The wide mouthed bottle are a lot easier to fill from springs etc. This more than makes up for the difficulties (?) in drinking from them. I haven't had any such problems. You just have to be careful!
I have nalgene bottles that are stainless steel if that is what you are referring too. I have used plastic bottles in the past, I attempt to stay clear of them now-a-days. The majority of all my canteens now are stainless steel. Hope that answers your questions.
I just love it when someone barely smarter than a canteen tries to seem smarter than a canteen.
I use mine more as a cook kit with the bottle being used to store my dinner water/ reserve water supply. Also I highly recommend the heavy cover stainless lid if you can get it. There is a usgi and NATO version.
Thanks for the update and making the E2E viewers aware. So what did you end up using after the weld burst?
-Adam
You can drink out of the plastic nalgene without any problem, bcause they'r BPA free ;)
Actually you can fill them up with boiling water without having a "plastic taste" in the water later...
all the best, Max (BCB)
Well, I weighed all of these with a scale, I did not pull numbers from google. All were weighed with the same scale empty and then with water.
-Adam
I've been using the Pathfinder Store version of the stainless steel, large mouth canteen and cooking set since they brought it out. I've never been so impressed with a set in my life. There is also the fact that they sell the case for it for only $3. Yes... THREE dollars. They also sell their version, but it isn't necessary.
i wouldnt buy anything except widemouth bottles just because there alot easier to clean.
so my kit is klean 40 with gsi cup. very happy
The SS non tapered Nalgene should be 38 oz, Thanks for watching
I use mine to store the water I reserve for cooking. Kept buried in the pack it's great for that. I also highly recommend the heavy cover lid as an add on to either the NATO ss cup or the usgi cup. Good luck getting your hands on one though!
Good rule to follow is that your water container should be the heaviest thing in your pack. Water is life, I would rather carry extra weight as far as water disinfecting is concerned then anything else.
Just got a Klean Kanteen, very impressive stuff! I will be buying more for sure!
Check out your local Goodwill store, I picked up Kleen Canteen stainless bottles and Nalgeen bottles (stamped BPA free on the bottom for $1-2 each. A little soapy water and you saved a fast $40. Kleen Canteen sells new caps for $3-4 on Ebay if you need one.
I tried the very used French aluminum canteen and it was just too nasty.
Thanks for making good videos. I appreciate you hard work and preperation.
I know you said that you were discussing ones that can be cooked in but I am advocating the purchase of a specific model for hiking, it's something you can find for about $11 on amazon, search 2 quart canteen and look for the one that says with strap, comes with the canteen, the carrier (fur lined) and strap for $11 shipped, AMAZING value and GREAT for lightweight camping, I just bring that and a machete for most 5-10 mile hikes
Great points and info on importance of Weight. I love my 18oz Wide Mouth Klean Canteen which I obtained through Trade (ferro rod 5$ & 1$: 5in one survival whistle). Fantastic Product These modern Canteens are truly an improvement from the 1861 Wooden Canteens and 1918 WWI Canteens..LOL..I am now on the look out for 40oz Stainless Steel, Wide Mouth Kleen Canteen. Another Great Vid !! Cheers Equip2Endure Team.
Just some quick fun facts about the 40oz klean canteen...they make diffrent screw on sport tops for easy drinking that you can switch out, and if you pair the 40oz klean canteen with nesting cup in the condor H20 pouch and some malice clips then you can wear it horizontal scout style on your belt if you chose...
Yes it's a good point to add the NATO pattern kit to this review. The bottle is plastic so it doesn't meet Adams preferences. I'll put in my $.02 though. IMHO the NATO water bottle cook kit combo is probably the best designed military cook system. However as a primary canteen it sucks because you have to disassemble the thing to get at the water.
I have always used the French Army Canteen always done the job and I have Never Had A issue With it but that's just My Opinion others may very !!
Add a key chain ring to the canteen chain and you can easily remove the cap and chain when needed
Great point about empty weight vs. full real world weight.
My most used cup/bottle is the Stanley Adventure Bottle. They are $9 on amazon. It's a bottle, a cooking vessel, and a cup/mug all in one.
Great video with many common sense reminders that people don't think of.
I prefer the wide mouth bottles. I had trouble finding a brush that would fit in a GI canteen. If you want ice, the wide mouth will fit standard ice cubes. Opaque bottles are harder to see if they are cleaned properly so are (I think) less friendly if you drink something other than water from home. I think the plastic nalgene are far more versatile for juice + food. If it's going on your belt, the canteen is probably the way to go. The hard hat w/ the 2 beer cans + a tube has it's use too. Lol
Nice vid! Once a month I change the water in my bottles and H2O carriers. I use denture cleaner tabs (2 per 30 oz) and let soak overnite, rinse well and re-fill with fresh water. So far all is well! I like SSteel much better than any other material, but have been known to use the dreaded plastic Nalgene. Maybe that explains some of my erratic behavior! ;) Thanks for the great info!
USA, USA, USA... I have always liked the US canteen and since i just got the steel cover heating water is quick. With a canteen carry pouch it can be conected to almost any type of bag or belt. However, as was stated in the video you get less water. 2nd I would go the new clean canteen, simply because it can boil water right in it. If you don't mind getting it blackend. Good video though, many choices to look at.
have you ever done vacuum flask cooking ? i have found it useful saving on fuel, normally set it up in the morning and use it for my midday meal saving myself time and effort. It is essential to heat food to a safe temperature before vacuum cooking 60 °C for at least 10 minutes will kill most temperature-sensitive bacteria. The food is then safe to cook at below safe temperature for several hours. slow cooker or crock pot recipes can be adapted easily to use in a vacuum cooker. bon appetit
Please do not get into a fight. I don't want to have to help you win again...
love from America
I use a stainless steel Nalgene bottle 32 once (non tapered/wide mouth.
I put in in the fire if i need it.
Have also a small billycan and a mug (iron) with coating (white/blue).
Great video, Adam. This topic has been on my mind lately, and the products you feature in this vid are among the options I am currently carrying, or considering for future experimentation.
I use the wide-mouth, 40oz KK, because I can screw my Katadyn water filter onto it. The 40oz KK also fits into my GSI Soloist cookset, which -- along with a Trangia alcohol burner & Vargo Ti base / windscreen, and Katadyn filter -- cover all of my short-term water purification & food prep needs.
I find it hard to find good metal canteens. A lot of stores now sell plactic. I use a Source Outdoor Tactical Gear WXP Hydration System, 3-Liter. Military grade. However I do agree with you on metal canteens. You need something more universal. By the way been following you videos for about a year now and I have to say I enjoy the reviews you have on gear etc. It actually helps me choose what type of gear I need. Thank you again for the info you give out.
I have to wear a partial denture made from a hard plastic. It sits in my mouth all day long, every day. I'm not all that worried about keeping water in a plastic bottle. I bet you eat food that comes in a plastic packet and I bet you buy drinks stored in plastic too.
You know I have to admit I have concerns, but mine are in the area of bottled water and other bottled drinks. When you look at the list of safe to reuse plastics, all these drinks are in the bottles you shouldn't re-use, including milk
From memory the canteens which I run are Australian made and are BPA free, could be wrong as I have had them for some time but pretty sure thats why I grabbed them.
Some other Canteens worth mentioning are : the Stanley Cup and the Kidneyshaped Stainless Steel Army Canteen with Cup. Cheers ;-))
I like the new background/set! Looks great!
Fee bottle woooot! :) suggestion thou, you can wrap a bandanna around the bottom of your bottle and will tighten the fit inside a cup and catch condensation.
You have to look at the big picture with toxins, I'll see people complain about plastic leaching water bottles then a few hours later cook a ready meal in a cheap disposable plastic container in the microwave. When I stopped smoking, walking beside a fairly busy road for 30 minutes would make the carbon monoxide detector go up to No. 9/10, a normal reading for a non smoker should be 2/3. What else are you breathing in? Do you really know what's in what you eat? Are we really picking the right battles if we want to cut down ALL the toxins in modern life?
I bought the 32 oz one from Pathfinders. Very nice setup.
Of all the environmental hazards out there, you're worried about a BPA free Nalgene bottle?
+zizzinpuss Just because there are many other concerns does not mean it's smart to ignore one.
Good lord, so many comments about the plastic thing. Okay, so it's probably a little silly to not drink from plastic BPA-free bottles... get over it, it's just his opinion (and, after all, before BPA leeching was known to be an issue, people probably thought it was silly and paranoid to not want to drink out of bottles with BPA in them).
Anyway, I prefer prefer the wide-mouth bottles over the narrow mouth, especially for camping or wilderness survival (not that I'm doing any of the latter myself). My reason is that almost all water filters (that are bottle compatible) are gonna be compatible with wide mouth bottles. Even something like the Steri-Pen, which I have not used myself, but reviews suggest that it just doesn't work well with narrow-mouth bottles. Also, you can fit ice cubes in the wide mouth opening, if you're trying to keep your water cooler longer (most useful for insulated models).
The benefits of narrow-mouth bottles are: more caps designed to drink directly out of them (for Klean Kanteen they have a sport lid that's only compatible with narrow mouth bottles; but their cafe cap works with wide-mouth, doesn't leak, and you can drink water out of it just as well as you could coffee); better insulation for insulated bottles (less non-insulated surface area at the lid- you'll notice the narrow-mouth insulated bottles are rated to keep hot or cold liquids hotter or colder, respectively, for longer). But for me, the benefits of wide-mouth bottles outweigh the benefits of narrow-mouth for most uses. The exception would probably be something like bicycle-riding, where you want more of a sport cap. Honestly, I'd be inclined to use a plastic bottle for cycling, which will also let you squirt water out and can take a fall better.
Hey great vid as always! I was wondering, does the MSR titan cup fit on the bottom of a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen? or is it too small?
I love the lean canteens - and they have a sling you can buy for the 40 oz. for easy carry.
Evidently bunn, the commercial coffee maker company has a lid for some sort of coffee decanter that fits the gsi space saver cup like it was made for it. The part number is 02564.0000
Bunn Pour-In Lid Assembly (Cover)
I haven't tried it myself but I've been meaning to.
i kinda prefer plastic because its transparent and you can see if the water is clean and how much you got left.
I think you meant "grade" and not gauge for the steel. The numbers (18/8, 18/10, etc.) are the composition of the stainless steel and refer to the amount of chromium and nickel (respectively) in the product.
Thanks for sharing your opinion
I have the 32 OZ guyot the cup will fit over the top I carry it hooked to my condor 2 in the 511 bottle holder and some times I mcarry 2 bottles my other is 40 oz clean canteen with the mouth like your 27 oz I was not aware of the bpa plastic being a problem thanks for the heads up but if I buy bottled water it is in plastic if I use tap water it sits and runs through plastic pipe into a plastic storage tank so no matter it is or has been in cintact with plastic!
the space saver mug or folding handle camp cups
The splash guards do fit the wide mouth Klean Kanteen but what I have encountered is that it won't stay in place with the lid on like a Nalgene bottle. The stainless steel inside on the cap knocks it to the bottom of the bottle.
I use the nalgene only in the winter. At -30c it is hard to keep your water from freezing. Even i had to add slee
adam, I agree with you totally that there are still many stuff in plastic that we don't know much about. Just a simple google research will tell you.
Thanks for watching. Take care
-Adam
As I was watching this, all I could think of was, "Pull out your credit card, and dial this number now!"
The WW2 USGI kit can also hold a stove and IMHO is the best all around.
you can get an insert for the wide mouth canteens so they do not spill
I don't believe there is enough true research on the topic. Don't get me wrong, I would not be here without plastics. I just try to stay away if I don't have to use them. There is a lot of unknown about the productions, and a lot of health concerns that have been linked to the plastics.
if you are giving the maxpedition bottle away, I'd love to have it. it would fit in the drink holder on my wheelchair perfectly.
Do some winter hiking in Canada or Alaska? I didn't think so. The military arctic cantene is better then all of those in that environment especially if you get it with the cup and pouch. The entire kit with cup and pouch cost about 15 bucks online.
I have the Guyot designed without the taper. I like it a lot.
Have not reviewed it yet.
Plastic are ONLY questionable when you burn it, and change it's chemical bond...which will release toxic fumes Plastic bottles are safe if left alone. Just remember to bring your nuts while you go hiking and you will be fine, unless you are also afraid of squirrels.
The most recent research would contradict your statement. Plastics are not as stable as previously believed, that is why they change color, fade, and have a smell, they are breaking down like everything else. The only issue is the simulate hormones when they breakdown. But based on the maturity of your response I don't believe you want to have a rational decision on the topic.
I'm a BioTechnician. I know a little on how science works. My immaturity response only goes out to those that reads the latest fads on things that companies are making millions off of. First, plastic bottles are bad, so companies created aluminum bottles to bank on. Next, they said aluminum was bad, so Stainless Steel bottles were marketed. After Stainless, companies are now trying to market titanium. Etc...All in all, it's a money sceme. The bottom line is, food grade plastic containers made without BPA are absolutely safe.
I have no reason to disprove what you say on your videos, but at least post a link to cite your research. Many people watch your videos, so it be very unfair for those that will just follow whatever your video tells them. Honestly, I find some of your videos helpful and informative, but please just stick to your field of expertise.
Stet Tan I have discussed areas and resources where people should do their own research and draw their own conclusions based on trusted sources. I agree that there is a money grab going on, and if you are a scientist you also know it's not a fact until it's proven a fact, which is a long process that requires money to create the studies. How long were we told BPA was safe? How many recalls took place for that in baby bottles and other food containers? Furthermore, Plastic formulas are proprietary, and are not regulated, so do you trust ever producer of plastic? I am aware that at this point in time it's almost impossible to get away from plastic, but I'm making a personal choice to stay away when I can. I believe that the possible risk is well worth my investment of a steel or titanium cup. I have also invested in glassware for my packed lunches. "I know a little how science works" as though it not a process of trial and error! Don't forget that sometimes we find supporting evidence for the incorrect conclusions. Especially when the guy paying for our labs, and are looking for a specific answer. In regards to "argument from authority" fallacy, I am a law enforcement officers, I have witnessed multiple "experts" arguing facts in open court both having evidence to support the theories that they pontificate as absolutes.
Stet Tan www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3222987/ This is a study from one of the lead polymer scientist with over 25 years in the field. He is not only identifying the problem, but trying to find a safe solution.
that WWII canteen uses lead solder
I use the US Military Spec canteen and the metal slip on cup for cooking.