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How SAMURAI Changed Karate In Okinawa｜Ogasawara Ryu Reiho
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Yes, it could be related. i dont know though if it was before or after karate came in mainland Japan, but definitive there's an influence. Well, the Satsuma clan was in Okinawa since the 17th century so i guess the japanese influences in okinawan culture date from that time, maybe.
it doesn’t seem all that connected to me. You always have to remember that we are all are humans with the same structure. It is natural that some movements in different situations will be similar. It was a point made by a Tai Chi instructor that I had briefly. He and his senior student had me do a simple demonstration of Shotokan Karate movement. The senior student was quickly able to analyze my front stance forward stepping movement. The Sensei said that the human body only has so many possible movements so similarities between Martial Arts was inevitable.
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When I was stationed in Okinawa in the mid-80's, I studied Shorin Ryu karate.
Great historical perspective! I think this makes good sense.
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Love learning martial arts history Am not a karate practicenor But still love learning about it
Okinawan martial arts were influences by different cultures just like you said and since Japan occupied Okinawa the fact the saurai influenced Okinawan TODE. China was an influence also. After the Chinese influence on Okinawan TODE the Okinawans called this CHI NA. It wasnt called kara te until Funakoshi brought it to Japan. The characters for Chi na were to Chinese
I'm a Shodan in Uechi-ryu and I think the Japanese influence in Okinawa was also related to the abolishing of the royal government in 1879 (the Ryukyu kingdom), the annexing of Okinawa as a prefecture which resulted in the banning of weapons. Many Okinawan weapons are actually farm implements that were not considered illegal. As a result, the focus of Karate as "empty-handed" combat was developed with the influence of kung-fu from China, one of Okinawa's many South Asian trading partners.
I believe that yes there was an effect from the samurai on the Culture in Okinawa and I can see the relative effects in Karate as an American that’s been practicing karate since 1987 I came to really feel the power in the movements and the agility that comes with it ! Karate is truly an art , that to me is what sets karate which is a martial art apart from just combat sports in general such as MMA and other sport combat !
Your channel is great. Really liked the Okinawa videos. I train in Karate and Japanese Bujutsu and combine the two, found interesting applications for two Wakizashi and Tanto in different Kata. Looking forward to this video.
The more likely thing is arts from the Satsuma influenced it. Jigen ryu was supposedly studied by Matsumura Sokon. Karate does seem to share a lot with it as far as training makiwara and hitting targets for example. And also mindset one strike one kill or ikken hissatsu, with jigen ryu using ken to mean sword and karate using ken to mean fist for example.
Excellent!!! Thanks for your
input, you did your homework well💪
Awesome!
A lot of karate masters have samurai origins , the satsuma clan was ruling okinawa. And many karate masters were using jigen ryu style of swordmanship, (anko azato , sokon matsumura). Hakudo Nakayama did trained Gigo Funakoshi
Great input!!!
Great, video. Thank you for the information
Very interesting. Thank you sensei
I would imagine, since Satsuma invasion of Loo-choo or Ryu Kyu, that there would be some influence on the toudi/indigenous martial arts of the islands, just as there are influences from China and other islands, as loo choo were well known tradesman and had ties with all surrounding areas.
I greatly appreciate though, how you make sure to differentiate Okinawa from Japan, in this discussion.
Of course today, the Ryu Kyu kingdom is no more and today it is a prefecture of Japan, but it was at one time independent.
I need to spend more time on your channel ゆすけ先生。ありがとうございます!
Or as my great grandparents would say in Uchinaaguchi.
にふぇえ でびる
(nifee deebiru)
Agreed! 🥋
I think it makes sense as Okinawans often treat Karate practice as a relaxed and everyday practice. Japanese martial artists often seem more strict with etiquette so the fact that the Samurai came over to Okinawa and mixed with the Ryukyu Kingdom, etiquettes would have naturally been integrated I would guess since Japan conquered Okinawa.
Great video!
Thank you. It makes sense.
I love this kind of video this is so interesting
Loved this video. Explains a lot. Traditional Karate tries to preserve that culture that drives quality in my view.
Excellent material as always I'm very glad I found this channel this year it's been one of the best one keep up the good work remember you are your skill attack from all positions when you get back to using weapons remember they're just like blocks and strikes all the best in all your endeavors keep going strong fight on and be well man you're an excellent representation of what the present and future should be don't forget the Crane style though and the snake style which appears to be the base for most karate systems be well
This furthers the idea that karate was not created by farmers. Farmers just wouldn't have had the time to dedicate to creating and mastering a martial art. The people that would have practiced Ogasawara Ryu Reiho would have been elite. Think about the pioneers of karate. Shihans Matsumura, Asato and Itosu. They either were in the employ of the the Okinawan Royal family or in Asato's case, a chieftain.
Yes, "kara-tii" was practiced by pechin(upper class).
And kobudo?
@@SI-ln6tc Kobudo and Karate(or toudii, naha-tii..etc.) would have well went hand in hand. Supposedly, Karate(kara-tii) was originally written with the characters 唐手(chinese hand/tang hand) and only changed to 空手 after it came to mainland Japan.
In other words, karatii never meant empty hand, until Japanese changed the characters.
The aji/pechin/yukatchu(samuree) would have also practiced kobudo, with kara-tii.
Amazing. I would love to learn Ogasawara Reiho♥️
Makes sense, you stand in the irons. When you shift weight you should have a rigid upper/lower body.
Very interesting viewpoint. Certainly "food for thought" :)
Having studied Kendo, and traditional Japanese Iaido; I can say that Karate rei-ho is much more "relaxed"; with elements of the classical samurai not included. First, there is no hakama (or proper way to tie it) to worry about; no sword to brandish nor fear. With samurai, a wrong move during the rei-ho could have gotten you killed...in the Karate dojo, it usually means you're buying the first round!
interesting !!
Very interesting. Highly disciplined movement no doubt puts one in a "now" state even in movement. The Neko stepping looks very similar to the "Mud stepping" Tang Ni Bu of Chinese Ba Gua Zhang.
Great concept that has not been expressed in western understanding of karate.
Really good video...
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Great vid sensai 👍even jigen ryu influenced. I think maybe archery came from this style to okinawa because of ryukyu archer was very similar.
Very interesting 😏.
Can you do a video on the new “Karate Combat” tournaments that have been taking place? It’s so unique lol
The human condition is always adapting, influencing, embracing & integratiing.
I remember my Sensei telling me that the concept of doing hundreds of punches almost everyday was inspired by the way samurais practised their cuts everyday to perfect them
I think this concept came from Matsumara Sensei
And the satsuma samurais at okinawa would do so with wodden swords, tying a rope round a tree, sounds like a makiwara?!!!!
@@vijayurs568 if so it would make all sense, Matsumura sensei had been in Japan as an okinawan state representative an also studied jigen ryu swordmanship with a satsuma clan sensei.
Cultural interaction goes both ways, for sure! Islands tend to form distinct variations due to natural isolation, though, and it is fascinating to see lingering similarities as well as unique developments. We all take different paths to ascend the same wooden mountain...
During your viewing of Karate Kid 2, you discussed the tea ceremony and its controlled movements, which were very much borrowed from Japanese traditions (same as the kimono, perhaps colored differently for Okinawan versus Japanese styles). But of course Chinese teapots and cups were prized before the craft became prevalent in Japan.
Most kobudo weapons were borrowed as well. You note the nuntibo in that film, which comes from China through the Matayoshi branch of kobudo. Sai come from India, China, or perhaps Thailand. The concepts of nunchaku and tonfa both come from Shaolin; nunchaku being shuāng jié gùn 双节棍 double flail; tonfa being shuāng guǎi 双拐 double crutch (they're smaller versions of ox horn crutches, better translated to English as walking canes).
But nunchaku and tuifa are both Okinawan names for particular Okinawan versions that were developed. Most people are familiar with Okinawan variants of tonfa (Uchinaaguchi turns o into u, so some people write tunfa). Nunchaku developed a characteristic three-cord knotting in Okinawa, which might symbolize the Hidari Gomon, the mitsudomoe mon that is one of the representations of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Legend has it that it represents three virtues of heroism, altruism, and loyalty. I like that symbolism, though I'm not 100% sure that it's historically accurate. The pragmatic explanation is that iron was more available in China and Japan (no iron mines in the Ryukyu Islands), so Okinawans used cord out of necessity. Either way, I think it's fascinating to note that cord vs chain is more than just a matter of personal preference.
And we would not be able to make any of these observations without taking the time to learn from each other! Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations :)
Reminds me of James May doing that archery at 2:33
What’s up Broski 🦋🦋
Fascinated by the bit about how they walk. Do ppl still practice this in daily life? It's interesting cos that means everytime they're home, they break away from the usual heel strike. For those into barefoot running or into cong xie's hyperarch mechanism theory, this could mean big differences in the health of their feet and spine. I wonder if they also adapt better to barefoot running
Can you share a link to the video at the beginning of the Okinawan Sensei performing Basai/Pasai.
My aikido sensei was telling us about Ogasawara etiquette just the other day! Unfortunatelly, there's not a lot of content available in english.
I find this interesting
I am proud of my Japanese culture and ancestry, however, I practice "ugly Karate" . The Okinawan Karate that I do is very different.
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尊敬
Haha! Because its focus is functionality. Best!
You have Japanese ancestry? How far back? You don’t look like it at all.
The posture and footwork is lifted seemingly from Kendo, wonder how adapting more of that footwork would change the art
I would love to see you review an Anime called ( Samurai Champloo ) I would love to hear your take on the authenticity of the time period in Japanese history.
How many years of separation is there from the last days of the samurai to when karate was brought to Okinawa
Nice Topic......... (Y)
The history of Karate is characteristic bytmany influences. First of all Okinawa is a trading hub and thereby had a lot of connection and influences by different countries. This is also for the martial arts. So beside the influence of China, Japan also had a influence on Okinawa.
For example: when the Taira clan was defeded, some of there samurai fled to Okinawa and brought there tactics and martial arts with them.
From 1609 the Satsuma clan rules Okinawa, and then there was more interaction between the two countries.
So yes it would be weird to think there wheren't any influence by Japan on the Okinawa martial Arts
Interesting viewpoint. It would be instructive if a comparison could be made to the Chinese Bubishi and how the cultures merged/clashed/combined in Okinawa.
What is the background music
Can you do a reaction video on the Last Samurai?
Kara-te is a diffrent form of the same type of style it's all beautifull in its own movement and own way but really it's all the same but really you can just mix it up if you want.
この動画は実に面白い内容ですね。
What an interesting topic for a video.
琉球の古典的な舞踊などを見ても、首里の士は日本式の礼法を昔から取り入れていたのが明確ですし、中国の冊封使の記録の中に薩摩侵略よりも前に琉球人が日本武術を習っていた事が明記されています。経論すれば「手」は、琉球化された日本武術ではないかとも仮説を立てる事も可能かもしれません。琉球への日本の影響は空手ではあまり語られないのが残念でしかないですね。（一時期、沖縄側で意図的に隠していた人も多かったかもしれないな）。
If you look at classical Ryukyuan dances, it is clear that the Shuri aristocracy had incorporated mainland Japanese style forms of etiquette into their lives; and there are records from a Chinese envoy to Ryukyu from before the Satsuma invasion that reported the locals (Ryukyuans) were learning Japanese martial arts. We might even be able to hypothesize that "Te" was nothing more than locally integrated Japanese martial arts. It is really too bad that the Japanese influence on Ryukyu is not really discussed openly in Karate circles. (I believe that some on the Okinawan side may have even actively hid this part of the history.)
後、ちなみに、武術の摺り足は、実は地面を擦らないはずですね。摩擦が起きて動きが鈍ってしまい、斬られる恐れがあるからだと思いますが（あくまでも個人的な推測）、薩摩経由あるいはそれより前に琉球に導入されていたと思われる直心影流剣術の基本稽古の動画を見てみて下さい。「日本の古武道（直心影流）」というタイトルでTH-camに上がっています。ギリギリ擦っていません。
Oh and by the way, martial arts "Suri-ashi" (sliding footwork) doesn't really scrape the foot along the ground. My own theory as to why is that by sliding the foot across the ground you create friction, which then slows your movement, leading to a higher chance of being killed. If you watch the basic footwork practice method of Jiki Shin Kage Ryu swordsmanship, which is believed by some historians to have been imported into Okinawa before the Satsuma invasion, you will see what I mean. Search for a video on youtube called 日本の古武道（直心影流） if you are interested.
You should watch Kobra Kai next
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100%
i don't really see alot of connection.
also, i've done okinawan 'ti' (karate). the movements aren't as robotic and rigid like in japanese karate. and it makes sense why japanese styles look like 'fist kendo'. their samurai/sword culture changed okinawan karate into what it is today: you just have to look at japanese biomechanics compared to okinawan, they're quite different in some areas and styles.
that's why i can't see how these robotic movements made their way into okinawan empty hand. okinawan is more fluid and natural, with more natural footwork.
it's funny how many ppl don't want to admit that the okinawans had their own distinct style: they either want to claim the chinese or japanese influence on okinawan empty hand, but it's never just... okinawan empty hand lol. most ppl HAVE NOT done their research on this, even though there is no excuse anymore because of something called the internet, and youtube.
also, you get points for showing Higa Sensei at the start. he was a legend in the okinawan martial arts world and founded the Kyudokan shorin ryu style. the style i learned was pretty much a variation of that, but refined. not many ppl would even know who he is though... probably not in japan or north america anyways.
Ah, but, does Anime' also express Reiho?
But in my country Egypt karate oyma l can't found that's style of karate
Having studied Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu from native Okinawan and former military stationed there I respectfully feel your analysis somewhat inaccurate. The samurai presence on Okinawa was an occupation and subjugation largely by the Satsumas and not a benevolent one at that. Native martial arts of that period were jealously guarded as any threat to the ruling class would not end well. That said, Okinawans are ethnically and culturally different from mainland Japanese. The precise formality of movement and stances I feel reflects upon Japanese cultural interpretation of Okinawan karate imported by Sensei Funakoshi and subsequently became influenced in order to become accepted which evolved into present day Shotokan Karate Do. Some reverse influences are a more recent than historical.
The Chinese civilization is very very old. AND it has a wide variety of cultures throughout its thousands of years. The Japanese offshoot ( including modern vulgar aberrations) has always been a rather recent sub-culture in search of a civilization. Although Japanese are loathe to admit it. I’m approaching 70 years old. I’ve lived in Asia 45 years and speak fluent Chinese. I also lived and studied diligently in Okinawa with GM Soken Hohan. I speak Spanish so we had no problems communicating). Of course this is before you, or maybe even your parents were even born! Many Japanese karate people quietly come to Taiwan to learn old style bunkai and da-fah. They never get taught much, of course. The elders here say that the Japanese are still obnoxious, arrogant, proud, and boastful. They way they treat our local gentle kind people is condescending and mean-spirited. So, no… you don’t have the real old-style Okinawan karate the civilized Cultured Aristocracy had and protected. No, you don’t have what BUSHI MATSUMURA kept to his own family and favourite disciples. No, you don’t have the old styles of White Crane, Tiger, and Dragon from Fuzhou, Fujian, Old China. Funakoshi Sensei himself stated clearly that he changed the basic stances and methods of karate to suit the needs of the weak and frail University Students to aid in health and physical fitness. For example; in Old Style MATSUMURA SHURI-TE ( SHORIN RYU) all stances have 70-90% body weight on back foot. Shotokan is different for time period contextual reasons.
I’m not being mean at all. The older Japanese SENSEI who come here readily admit this and lament this. Go out eating and drinking with them every night for 2-4 weeks and you’ll get earfuls of sad historical politics and racism.
What does that( wrong and very much useless)comment got to do with anything.
Greetings: Dont forget that okinawan royal family were japanese descendants!!!
I play karate shotoken and l want learn karate khusin karate oyma
My dad is a Sheehan in Shoryn Ryu. Have no idea if I even spelled that correctly.
But it's pretty obvious to me that Shorin Ryu is primarily influenced by the Samurai. It's a study on body mechanics and not a fighting style, fundamentally. The Samurai physically changed their bodies for their purpose and position in their society. Any advanced, ancient knowledge of the workings of the body probably came from the Samurai... making karate the modern term for an ancient knowledge that is only lost the more removed the attributions of the origins are. China did not invent Shorin Ryu and I feel like it's retarded to claim it did. (Like many seem to be these days, not you)
Oh dear,oh dear, how uninformed,