Will deep sea mining kill sea life?
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Love the whole “omg let’s fix this one problem and create a new catastrophic event at the same time” attitude
Greenwashing in a nutshell
When humanity goes extinct, octopuses will be the smartest creatures on Earth… unless we get them first 💀
I think it would be corvids or chimps. At least they would start a civilisation way before octopi would.
All hail Cthulhu
🐙 There's going to be some NEW RULES around here! 🌎
Splatoon
Crows are smarter than octopus btw and Orang-Utans are also smarter
Could?
COULD?!!!
Thankyou, thankyou. I was shouting at the screen, STOP SAYING COULD. Its an absolute, definite that sea life will be affected, disturbed, destroyed. The worst thing is this is not stationary like an oil rig this thing could strip miles and miles of land.
It's a definite.
Same, I was like "is this a joke??? have you guys learned nothing??"
That needs to stop . They're starting to promote this ? It's not a good thing. This is stupid. We dont need this.
One cares if y'all need to chill out we haven't even explored the whole ocean yet there could be more Ocean than you could ever imagine so it doesn't matter
@@abandonexplorations3896they don't kno their just watching this video and getting triggered this could be bs wheres the report on that for all we kno those creatures ain't even their people lie this could be bs
the answer is to reduce our demand and consumption, not just try to create new shit.
The answer is innovation. Essentially creating newer, safer, cleaner. While reducing demand on products made by slaves.
@@dundid1t542 let me know when that actually happens, and companies don't just fall back on old habits again.
The only way you can " reduce our demand and consumption" is by eliminating a huge part of the population, why do you think they made the covid virus?
The answer is nuclear energy
@@dundid1t542 or not mine minerals all for some crappy EVs
As if they care. All those CEOs care about is their $8M bonus at the end of the year. It’s disgusting.
Just to let you know, Insider vastly misrepresented the reality. While they aren't factually wrong, they aren't giving you a bigger picture. Sure, to build more batteries, Solar Panels and wind turbines we need more metals. Thats a fact.
However what the didn't mention is that overall mining will actually decrease. So sure, we'll increase our metal consumption by 3 Gigaton's, but decrease our Fossil Fuel related mining by 18 Gigaton's. That seems like a good tradeoff, especially since mining for fossil fuels have substantially higher risk than most metals associated with renewable technology.
Moreover, companies like Redwood Materials have achieved a >95% resource recovery rate at scale when recycling batteries (from consumables to EVs). What's better, is that they've done that while achieving profitability and a cheaper end product (than sourcing the materials from a mine.
Insider, like usual is being a biased news source when it regards the sustainability realm. But I guess thats not surprising given its ties to the automotive industry (excluding Tesla) and oil/gas industry. Not to mention its ties to Qatar.
Hope it helps
Of course! And once disaster, famine, comes as a result, we will blame mother nature and act the victim
@@Shiningami_Jem Sure, some will, BUT others are working their butts out to change it right now.
Don't let a few rotten apples spoil the whole barrel.@@Shiningami_Jem
@@sebastianorye2702 ok Jeff Bezos. So in your asinine assumptions, banning gas vehicles are better than not using EVa that have toxic metals en mass.
International water means no law will Applied
Lol yt asked me how i feel about your comment...
Didn't answer... provoking me,and your freedom of speech...hate that..
Thats not actually true thats a big time myth
@@minnarosenqvistmrthank you TH-cam is always trying to limit your freedom of speech no one should be carrying it is water's we could do anything you want
There's so much ocean out there we haven't even explored all of it so I don't know why everyone is complaining
Yeah, we can't just replace all our current cars with electric cars. We need less cars, more public transport and more medium density walkable cities
HUGELY agree. Cars are the bane of my existence. We just have SO MANY of them, and _no other options_ as far as traveling goes.
So we need to fall in line with the agenda of the 2030 kind
It's the uncontrollably greed that's gonna doom us all.
It isn't entirely the big fat cat's fault. You also need to blame the people who constantly keep demanding more, newer, bigger things.
@@privategramcracker01so basically you can blame the fat cats because they are the ones always demanding newer bigger better soooo
It wont be long until they start wanting to "reduce" the population
Isn't this what you wanted, though? A real question. Didn't you want to go greener? Didn't you want to no longer use those disgusting polluting lumps of flamable rocks and liquid?
I remember a day where everyone was excited about this new energy that was once used as a weapon, can also be used to generate power for tens of thousands of homes with just a few plants that are single digits! Hardly any pollution!
What happened to that, i wonder... Now you want materials to create inefficient plants that take more space and cause more waste?! How can anyone comprehend that?
This is climate cult BS
could just asteroid mine instead. just need a base on the moon for missions to do so.
The entire "asteroid mining" enterprise will never be more viable both logistically and financially than just mining on-world, especially, if one of the biggest caveats you can think of to it is building a goddamn Moon base first and then expanding into the Asteroid Belt from there.
I'm afraid we don't have the time for that anyway, because we need these minerals NOW, not some undisclosed date within the next 50-200 years and that's assuming everything just so happens to go well
I would support that over destroying the oceans even more than we already have
Holy shit. No untouched place by humans, huh.
Human's greed from air, land to sea. And now we're eyeing other planets in space when we can't even take care of this one.
We should mine this stuff on Mars where at least we won't be destroying our OWN planet
@robinanthony7946 that way when earth is inevitably destroyed in the next 50-100,000 years. Humans no longer exist right? 😂 unless ur in a space ship at the time and survive. Even in that case, without a colony on another planet, humanity will be forever doomed.
@@robinanthony7946do you even kno if its there and the price tag on that ..
Oh wait we could if it meant anything stop giving billions to other countries that don't give 2 shits about America then yeah it will he funded ill be on board
There's no reason not to eye other planets, as far as we can tell, there is no life on them. There's nothing wrong with consumption, as long as the supply can feed it.
@@Poignant_RitualThat’s not his point, he’s saying why spend our resources chasing rocks when we have our own problems in earth that we need to take care of.
Batteries are not the answer they cause too much damage to the environment
This is an underrated comment. People don’t understand how awful batteries are!
Honestly, I now see the impact that bateries can have on our planet. Specifically when it comes to mining that material in the first place.@@jlinjeannepowell
So what's your answer Einstein? Magic pixie dust?
@@NecroAsphyxia Become less reliant on electricity?
Design city layouts with walking and biking in mind, like many cities in Europe and Asia?
Etc. Etc. Of course there's no perfect solution to everything, and compromises do need to be made in these regards. There's no denying that. But wouldn't it help if we were, a tad more efficient as a society when it comes to battery consumption? Cheaper, too.
@@chermal7311 You know that is never going to happen... In fact much of the green movement is MORE reliant on electricity and batteries. Solar panels? Windmills? Electric cars? All depend on batteries and electricity.
It may also be that the material of the rocks help makes the bottom of the sea habitable in the first place because if its rich properties
Might be the opposite might be the toxic build up that removing could clean the ocean 😂but everyone wants to just assume its bad without any actual research it can be bad it can be good it can be neutral thats why research is very important
@@DgafsrangerThey are presenting some of the research on the video vaguely. There is loads of research on this deep sea life that's being slaughtered. Most companies arent politely picking up one rock at a time. Chinese dredgers have giant vacuums that filter and kill all the seal life they pick up.
@@Dgafsranger those rocks have been there for millions of years. any life there is adapted to those conditions.
It is......lots of organisms that live at the bottom of the oceans rely on chemo synthesis with things like thermal vents and cold seeps and whale falls
"The international energy agency says to combat climate change we need to mine 4x more-"
Yes because we should listen to the corporation benefiting from destructive production processes saying we should take more 😭
What do we do then?
What do we do then?
Yes! Of course why didn't we think about it! we just need to mine more heavy metals and not just make less people 😂
What do you mean exacly?
Perhaps we could just stop thinking we can outsmart nature in perpetuity. It’s all crashing in on our heads and the rest of creation as well. We either live within our means or we WILL be disposed of.
the sea floor is a very static environment, life forms could be impacted in a strong way if we apply a quick change to their environment.
Of course it will, find another place to mine or come up with another form of energy.
I'm happy that we humans are starting to considering the effect we have on our planet and fellow living beings!
And ignore it anyway!😄
@@kioloupye0💀
Starting to 😂 you clearly know nothing about science or ecological studies they habe for a long time but some companies ignore it theres a big difference but thisnis why research needs to be done people like him only talk about the worst case scenario all while not saying it can also have little to bo impact because as he even stated we just dont know
no matter what we do we impact the earth. I saw burn the coal save the sea
@Under-Kaoz literally 😭😭 "this energy company-" I'm gonna stop you right there. They're the ones who caused a lot of this and also still benefit from inhumane and dangerous mining/production means for energy.
The want for hydrogen is based on the availability of methane hydrate, or fireice. Natural gas which is compressed into a solid by the water pressure at the depth of a continental shelf. Billions is being spent here. This is what Korea and Japan intended to be their energy security for a thousand years.
We as a species need to go back to living life within the confines of nature's limits and not mine every damn niche that is there to destroy.
Absolutely!
You first, get off the phone.
@@maxcarren112 love you.
While I don't particularly disagre, I would contend that that's simply not possible nowadays. Society is and has been in a state of advanced ecological overshoot (for an excellent introduction to overshoot see William Catton’s classic, "Overshoot") for some time now.
Overshoot means that even at current global average (inadequate) material standards, the human population is consuming even replenishable and self-producing resources faster than ecosystems can regenerate and is producing entropic waste in excess of the ecosphere’s assimilative capacity.
In short, humanity has already exceeded the long-term human carrying capacity of the earth through our use of fossil fuels and fossil fuel derived synthetic fertilizers. While thoroughly decimating the viability of "living off the land" as wildlife populations continue to dwindle, edible forage is replaced by increasingly sterile monoculture, and climatic shifts continue to disrupt the natural hydrological cycle on a global and regional level.
Synthetic chemical pollution, plastic/microplastic pollution, extreme heat and humidity, and epidemic disease were just the final nails in this coffin.
Ultimately, I'm confident in saying that there won't be a return to Monke, there will be a return to non-existance though as Mother Nature (the awfully lax disciplinarian) finally deems human and livestock population 'correction' to be in order.
Something that will likely play out in the latter half of this century.
@@jghifiversveiws8729 Thank you for typing that. I agree wholeheartedly with what you said.
This has never stopped humanity before, I don't think it's gonna stop now
Idk what the IEA is basing its numbers off of, but if I remember correctly wind turbines are made of a very common metal known as steel. Would this be, like, to replace every single car with a Tesla? Because expanding mass transit is a much better way to reduce emissions from cars, and trains don’t need big batteries.
We cause way more problems trying to solve the problems we have.
They always focus on the worst possible outcome like that last line we dont k kw but it can be really bad but on the other side of the same coin it can have very little impact obviously it'll have some but to what degree this is why research needs to be done if all people thought like him we wouldnt have penicillin or many many advances
Watch this start a under water war with some sun species of a humanoid in the deep.
If we start mining the sea bottom we’re doomed,then we have destroyed the only thing keeping us alive..the sea
To avoid disaster, we must accelerate disaster cause
We would definitely make a few species we've never seen extinct
Im so angry at ignorance. Why do you need someone in a labcoat to tell you that it is a fact that scooping up the ground "might affect life" in the area. Take a shovel and dig in several random spots in town without regard for any buildings or floors you need to dig through. Well some scientists say this might affect the life within this town.
Yeah our extinction is near 😂
That is if we don't adapt to the hard times.
Asteroid mining would be the most ecological choice for getting materials we need
What was that beautiful red, lobster like crustacean?
A infant lobster or just a different type of lobster at least from the looks of it i dont have my research material infront of me or id try to make a comparison
@@Dgafsranger it is actaully some kind of dancing shrimp. Havent found anything more specific.
Beautiful? Id say creepy my guy :D
@@rivetRnC well people like different things. I think, it is beautiful.
@@k2p104 Well I've ever heard anyone say crustaceans are beautiful
Bro they're gonna awaken cthulhu one of these days
I remember a long time ago the first of the 3 R's in recycling was considered the most important. It's incredible that environtists of today decide to throw this principle out in favor of preserving the hyperconsumer culture but pretending it's ok when the products are 'green'
Give me convenience or give me death
- Jello Biafra
Hmm maybe if we try not to support our use of materials but instead use less of them we'd be better off overall.
Long story short… we need a better plague.
Yes, Covid-19 wasn't nearly enough.
Odd though that those that promote hate were the most likely to put themselves in harms way and die at the end. Honestly it couldn't have gone better in this respect. 😉🙃
Hope not but at the end of the day this is just one of many tragic consequences of the industrial society we dwell in
It is amazing what one can live without. It seems like every THING that we decide we need only creates more stress later.
Well that's... Inconvenient. RIP sea creatures because this multibillion dollar industry is more important.
Now I understand where the idea of creating splatoon, wars and human pollution came from
This should not be allowed, no mining the sea floor
There's a pinkypurple octopus? Cool.
My fellow Americans: if your town or city has public transportation and you haven't tried it before, or you last used it a while ago, please try it. Not only is it better for the environment, but it's SO NICE. Imagine going somewhere and not worrying about parking! I live in a rural area, so it's not an option for me, but my university has it and it's wonderful.
Of course it will. What the what do they think
Polymetalic nodule was my nickname in high school.
Let's kill the ocean next!
The earth will survive. It can fix itself. Has many times before. I'm not pro destruction but we have less of an impact that people would have you believe.
To me, its foolish to think that this is anything of a solution to the metals problem. This is just as finite a resource as any other metal being that it takes millions of years for the nodules to reform. The answer is sitting right in front of us: better recycling of the metals we do have. Think up new and more feasible ways to take the scraps we all leave behind and rejuvinate them to an earlier form. This is just shameful logic on the mining company's part.
We already have a near perfect source of power
N U C L E A R P O W E R
THIS!!! Solar panels and wind turbines should not be our main source of energy. They are great in many cases but obviously it is unsustainable to power the whole world with them. But often times people don't even mention nuclear power as an option when talking about alternative green energy sources because it's so taboo and the public is so naive and mislead when it comes to this topic. Very sad when the solution is right in our faces and many people just ignore it.
Exploiting the world in a way never before seen. Thanks.
And note: most of the materials we need, except phosphates, is easily accessible in space once with have some proper base infrastructure up there.
We haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the biodiversity in the deeper oceans. But the solar system seems to be sterile while the earth is single most rarest type of world we know of. Deep see mining is something that we shouldn't be needing, now nor in the near future
If we focus on hydrogen as fuel, earth destruction can be avoided.
That is why they killed the scientist who Made that water fueled car ....
Yep
Or focus on public transport and trains as well as sailboats and bikes?
Hydrogen fuel is very inefficient and not cost effective
@@InquisitorBoomBoom no choice if you love this mother earth
Remember that "Underwater" movie, it was disturbed not on purpose but because of this effort to mine something other life forms already enjoyed it to survive. Hell breaks lose if something down there realize there is more food up here.
They would die if they got up in shallow waters
@@99temporal "If"
Man's greed put's all life at Risk!
I have a proposal: if we are going to mine the -nodgules- -nogules- those little black rocks, then we should replace them with useless stones from the land. I mean, we mine all the time, at least we could put all that dirt to some use
Let's ruin what we don't know, to not feel guilty😝
Greed is going to kill us all
Can’t we send robots to mine on Mars or Venus or something? Our planet and its life appears to be unique among solar systems so we should treat it with the deference it deserves.
To you have any idea gow stupid this proposal is ? The amount energy needed for this would pollute the earth 100x more than just mining here .Let's not even mention the specialised equipment that we'd need for this that dosent exist .It would cost us trillions of dollars just to get resources the same resources we have on earth, meaning economies would break down and prices would go up.
A Chinese company tried to mine the sea floor, off the coast of northern Australia. The local Aboriginals were able to block them...thank God....awfully distructive mining technique.
From my understanding, concern with loss of animal life only applies to oil. 😅
This is actually insane we should be prioritizing asteroid mining not deep sea mining not only can all of the materials we need be found on asteroids it would also give us the ability to move asteroid’s which is two birds with one stone not to mention echo friendly is not echo friendly if you have to get it by ramping up pollution
Reaearch was recently done on this. Deep seabed mining can and has been done already without harming anything outisde the direct area. You can be afraid or you can read the research.
Well, it ain’t gonna stop the Chinese…
Our lifestyles have to get off electric too.
It's magical thinking to believe that we can do as we do with a different medium.
solution... drop regular rocks in the ocean above these habitats as they are disrupted
we could always throw down some rubble when we're done mining a spot.
It's like dredging river bottoms, which is horribly destructive and causes serious problems for populations of fish and other animals.
Pragmatism has left the chat
The right.. More oil... The left... More batteries.. It doesnt matter its a double edged sword
IT WILL impact sea life and beyond. This is what we do. We impact all our natural environment.
Truthfully, recycled metal like steel, aluminum, brass, copper, lead, gold, silver, titanium. Also recycling safety glass, plastic, & millions of other things would lower prices by a great deal. A Ford Raptor 2023 truck cost 60,000 to 150,000 dollars. It cost Ford company only 3000 dollars to build it.
We should probably find a better way to power society...
This goes to show doesn't matter what we use we're set up to fail unless we find an alternative a element we didn't believe in
Who are the 22 companies involved in deep sea mining?
Because changing the way we live is too much to ask to save the world.
“To solve pollution we must raise it 4x its current rate”
It doesn't correlate life up here is more important than life down there.
Omg I want to study deep sea life!!! I’m scared about climate change and I know that we need to make the switch sooner than later, but by the time I get in the field I feel like everything is going to be dead!
The reason we cant ever explore the oceans is because that would make people aware to all the lifeforms we're already killing
No. We should invest much much more in space travel and mining. Not only to accelerate tech advancements but also because they’re a a near infinite amount of resources in asteroids and other bodies just in the solar system.
Could? No, it will impact sea life…
Coming soon Sponge Bob Movie... "The Rush to Bikini Bottom"
unrelated but could we like put more surfaces in the deep sea for these creatures ? like how ship wrecks create little biomes. Maybe none toxic materials like rocks. honestly like rock that would naturally go in the water anyway
We could, but a better solution is to reduce usage and develop more recycling
Thats why i keep saying we need nuclear not solar and wind. Solar and wind also implie batteries and these aren't always green as made out to be.
That would destroy the ecosystem in the ocean, later on will destroy humanity.
Not just that but the noise is extremely distressing to whales and affects their reproduction. 😢 How can we stop them? They need to go to space instead!
Degrowth. Keep your home, food, mass transit, etc. Reduce everything else
Let's solve one problem at a time, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
Ya, the new Meg 2 movie pointed to this.
Interesting and awesome
We are always going to undermine another organism whether that be plant, fungi or animal to further advance our own gain.
Yes!
Its impossible not to do harm when doing anything in the environment but mining is especially harmful to a sustainable earth.
I wonder how long would it take for the ocean water to lower an inch. Would it lower faster than what it is rising?
Humans just can let things be at times or find least expected ways to affect habitants
Could we just replace the nodules with low value rocks to preserve the habitat?
Yes. Yes it will.
Not could be but, will be. The only way to slow or stop our pollution/climate change is to stop manufacturing months at a time, as well as excessive movement using carbon emitting vehicles.
So green energy isn't green? LOL 😂 I KNEW THAT ALREADY!!!
Nuclear is looking more and more appealing.
We just have to destroy the earth for the minerals we need so we don’t destroy the earth. Sounds like a plan.