This video reminds me of when Guilford purchased former Conrail GP40s in 1996. I had to hit the like button just for that. I agree...time for some track maintenance...
There's a video out that was made long ago as a training film for the army, I think, about what it takes to cause a derail. This is not going to come close, but you're right, the track is really bad.
th-cam.com/video/agznZBiK_Bs/w-d-xo.html re: Army Experiments In Train Derailment & Sabotage - 1944 [quote] Published on 21 Feb 2015 This film records and explains a series of train crash tests for "subversive warfare" on the US Army Claiborne Polk Military Railroad between 03/08/1944 & 03/10/1944. Discusses amount of explosive used, technique of making "gaps" in railroad track to overturn train. Uses filmographic techniques such as slow motion, reverse motion, and freeze frame to show effects of "gaps" and explosives on train and results of experiments. Illustrated arrows point to areas of train considered especially relevant to experiment. During each train crash experiment the narrator explains each type of explosive and reason for variations. [unquote] Which all goes to prove ONE THING .. The US Army didn't know dipshit about HOW to derail a train. All one person needed to do - was remove the spikes from a few sleepers either side of ONE joint, then REMOVE the fishplates from that joint , LEVER OVER just one rail and place BOTH fishplates between the two rails, in this way.. INSIDE one rail & outside the other.. Making the gauge at THAT JOINT smaller on one side of it (forcing each axle's wheel-flange-sets to ride UP & ALONG the top of an under-gauged section) & immediately following that, the OVER GAUGED section - being LOT WIDER AS WELL AS A FULL RAIL-FOOT WIDTH - OUT OF ALIGNMENT (from that of the other rail) - instantly places the FLANGE of all wheel-sets, OUTSIDE of the next section of rail - forcing a total full derailment . Instant derailments will always occur if done exactly that way. (it's exactly the same principle as if a turnout switch blade was "opened" without CLOSING the other turnout switchblade - forcing any train, to SPLIT the points & drop down between the ever widening outer turnout legs - causing an instant derail).. Removing sections of "railhead" out of perfectly straight track - does diddly shit for derailing and everything for a rough ride "across the gap" .. onto good rail the other side.. perfectly in line. Plus - the "displacement" of a single JOINT's fishplate to "split' the gauge at that joint, can be done BOTH SIDES - either via the same direction of "split" or the opposite way & it doesn't even need to be opposing joints either, one done here, and the opposite rail done 40 ft. away = same result - to ensure trains running IN from either direction will "split" the gauge at either point .. instantly derailing.
You will note that this video is taken in the winter, and this is a joint in the rail. In the summer with high temperatures, the rails get longer and that gap will all but disappear. There could be some ballast work to stabilize the ties better, and the splice should keep the tops of the rails better aligned though.
I’ve worked for the CP Railroad for 24 years and that is not a slip joint that will tighten in summer and spread and winter. It is a broken rail that should be changed out. Period
And you're standing that close!? Never saw tracks in that bad of shape in North Carolina. I was actually surprised to see a skeleton log car still in operation.
Biggest problem of all - is the STAGGERED rails joints (one here the other there and this side again etc., etc - sets up that forever ROCKING motion - which gets exasperated when a certain speed is attained, setting up a back & forth / side to side oscillation effect - thereby rocking the hell out of the entire train (which incidentally puts a LOT more twisting & flexing strain on rail joints as well as the whole trackwork). Oh sure general LACK of maintenance such as ROTTEN SLEEPERS, inefficient dog-spike holding power (down to "rotten sleepers" again - letting the dogs lift & drop at will) - oh and incorrectly ballast PACKED sleepers (down to them being ROTTEN again see ?). But the whole she-bang "rocking" motion could be instantly fixed, simply by having ALL rail joints NON STAGGERED (each rail joint on one side - being "placed" directly opposite the other rail joint) - that way - the ONLY rocking motion would be LIKE a boat over waves - head to tail back & forth, which is a LOT less likely to tip the wagons over - than it is to make any "traveller" (crew or "illegal riders") on them - as sea-sick as all hell. Sure "basic" maintenance would be a great start - but before I'd do that - I'd true up all rail joints (making each joint "set" directly opposite any other joint, to make them ALL go up & down at the same instant the SAME axles went over any joint-set "paired in that way" - & thus there'd be none of this ROCK one side down & then the other side & then the first side & rock it "again & again" etc all the way along... But see - almost ALL of the USA Railway "lines" are built in that stupid fashion - of having EVERY JOINT "staggered" away from the opposite rail's joints.. EVERY TRAIN in the USA "waddles" along the track - forcing all trains to twist & rock .. across all "joints" !!!
I nearly can't believe that this is real! How is it legal to allow for any (used) track to go in to such a state of disrepair?!?! This would never be permitted in my country. Unbelievable.
Rail head has a piece out of it, the rail is not broken. This may be FRA excepted track, 10 mph therefore they are okay to run on it. It is straight rail too so very little problem. No hazardous loads and no passengers. That big SD/40-2 had no problem going over it.
Please include the full railroad name(s) and where the clip was shot (State, City, etc.) Did you send the clip of the broken rail to the railroad headquarters? I certainly would have.
It looked like that section of rail had no tie plate under it. It looks as if the rail was spiked directly to the tie. It would be of the best interest to the railroad to fix that rail joint as soon as possible.
@Jason Asselin Nah you are correct - not THAT bad - until something derails - then you ain't got a shit show in hell - of jumping out of harms way .. (natural selection of Darwinism see)
Yeah, it could use replaced, but for a shortline railroad going less than 5 mph not a big deal. Worst that could happen is a wheel would pop off, in which case they would rerail it. (Which they probably have the equipment on board for)
There is different grades of track with speed restrictions for each particular grade so that it is safe. Instead if making every track perfect a railroad can slow there trains down on a track not used much so that maintenance doesn't bankrupt them.
Looks like that tie rotted all the way through! Wow! Nice catch! Might I suggest joining this forum - www.michiganrailroads.com/MichRRs/Discuss/DiscGroupFrameUP.htm We'd love to have your videos. Keep up the good work Jason!
I have a feeling that this line used to be abandoned for in excess of 25 years and when this road bought the line, they did the bare minimum to keep trains on the rails
Ive actually seen worse. Where one rail was bent upward in the center 4-5 inches off of its end of the ties. No spikes holding it down for 10 to 15 feet. How did the train navigate that? Slowly. Crews wouldn't worry about it too much. The weight of the train would push the rail back down onto the tie plates that were still firmly attached to the ties.
This video reminds me of when Guilford purchased former Conrail GP40s in 1996. I had to hit the like button just for that. I agree...time for some track maintenance...
Wow , when those bolts wear down to a certain thickness , SNAP = LOTS OF $$$$$$$$$ !
Beautiful paint Scheme on 1338
I love trains!
yeah, kinda looks like that section of track needs to be replaced!
Two locomotives pulling flat cars for tree's wonderful job in Michigan friend bless you
There's a video out that was made long ago as a training film for the army, I think, about what it takes to cause a derail. This is not going to come close, but you're right, the track is really bad.
jw '46 yeah ive seen that video. The amount it took to derail that train... lol
th-cam.com/video/agznZBiK_Bs/w-d-xo.html
re:
Army Experiments In Train Derailment & Sabotage - 1944
[quote]
Published on 21 Feb 2015
This film records and explains a series of train crash tests for "subversive warfare" on the US Army Claiborne Polk Military Railroad between 03/08/1944 & 03/10/1944.
Discusses amount of explosive used, technique of making "gaps" in railroad track to overturn train.
Uses filmographic techniques such as slow motion, reverse motion, and freeze frame to show effects of "gaps" and explosives on train and results of experiments.
Illustrated arrows point to areas of train considered especially relevant to experiment.
During each train crash experiment the narrator explains each type of explosive and reason for variations.
[unquote]
Which all goes to prove ONE THING ..
The US Army didn't know dipshit about HOW to derail a train.
All one person needed to do - was remove the spikes from a few sleepers either side of ONE joint, then REMOVE the fishplates from that joint , LEVER OVER just one rail and place BOTH fishplates between the two rails, in this way..
INSIDE one rail & outside the other..
Making the gauge at THAT JOINT smaller on one side of it (forcing each axle's wheel-flange-sets to ride UP & ALONG the top of an under-gauged section)
& immediately following that, the OVER GAUGED section - being LOT WIDER AS WELL AS A FULL RAIL-FOOT WIDTH - OUT OF ALIGNMENT (from that of the other rail) - instantly places the FLANGE of all wheel-sets, OUTSIDE of the next section of rail - forcing a total full derailment
.
Instant derailments will always occur if done exactly that way.
(it's exactly the same principle as if a turnout switch blade was "opened" without CLOSING the other turnout switchblade - forcing any train, to SPLIT the points & drop down between the ever widening outer turnout legs - causing an instant derail)..
Removing sections of "railhead" out of perfectly straight track - does diddly shit for derailing and everything for a rough ride "across the gap" .. onto good rail the other side.. perfectly in line.
Plus - the "displacement" of a single JOINT's fishplate to "split' the gauge at that joint, can be done BOTH SIDES - either via the same direction of "split" or the opposite way & it doesn't even need to be opposing joints either, one done here, and the opposite rail done 40 ft. away = same result - to ensure trains running IN from either direction will "split" the gauge at either point .. instantly derailing.
You will note that this video is taken in the winter, and this is a joint in the rail. In the summer with high temperatures, the rails get longer and that gap will all but disappear. There could be some ballast work to stabilize the ties better, and the splice should keep the tops of the rails better aligned though.
I’ve worked for the CP Railroad for 24 yrs on Maintenance of way and that is not a slip joint. It’s a broken rail that should be changed out. Period
I’ve worked for the CP Railroad for 24 years and that is not a slip joint that will tighten in summer and spread and winter. It is a broken rail that should be changed out. Period
And you're standing that close!? Never saw tracks in that bad of shape in North Carolina. I was actually surprised to see a skeleton log car still in operation.
Looks more like the South American Rail Road,lol. The Ballast gravel is in dire need of covering,too. Great Video my friend!
They call that a mud hole here, The rail needs fixing too
Biggest problem of all - is the STAGGERED rails joints (one here the other there and this side again etc., etc - sets up that forever ROCKING motion - which gets exasperated when a certain speed is attained, setting up a back & forth / side to side oscillation effect - thereby rocking the hell out of the entire train (which incidentally puts a LOT more twisting & flexing strain on rail joints as well as the whole trackwork).
Oh sure general LACK of maintenance such as ROTTEN SLEEPERS, inefficient dog-spike holding power (down to "rotten sleepers" again - letting the dogs lift & drop at will) - oh and incorrectly ballast PACKED sleepers (down to them being ROTTEN again see ?).
But the whole she-bang "rocking" motion could be instantly fixed, simply by having ALL rail joints NON STAGGERED (each rail joint on one side - being "placed" directly opposite the other rail joint) - that way - the ONLY rocking motion would be LIKE a boat over waves - head to tail back & forth, which is a LOT less likely to tip the wagons over - than it is to make any "traveller" (crew or "illegal riders") on them - as sea-sick as all hell.
Sure "basic" maintenance would be a great start - but before I'd do that - I'd true up all rail joints (making each joint "set" directly opposite any other joint, to make them ALL go up & down at the same instant the SAME axles went over any joint-set "paired in that way" - & thus there'd be none of this ROCK one side down & then the other side & then the first side & rock it "again & again" etc all the way along...
But see - almost ALL of the USA Railway "lines" are built in that stupid fashion - of having EVERY JOINT "staggered" away from the opposite rail's joints..
EVERY TRAIN in the USA "waddles" along the track - forcing all trains to twist & rock .. across all "joints" !!!
This is why I keep tools in my truck, because I would have tightened that up and gave them a call.
They don't care.
burdizdawurd1516 They would think you're sabotaging the track.
By the look at the rail, it has been like that for along time.
Excepted track..good for 10mph.
crazy! hope it gets fixed soon, cause that is pretty scary...
That's an accident waiting to happen 😯
I nearly can't believe that this is real! How is it legal to allow for any (used) track to go in to such a state of disrepair?!?! This would never be permitted in my country. Unbelievable.
Repairing the rails are very expensive mu dude
Why don't you get out your big wrench and fix it
Oh wow!
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Rail head has a piece out of it, the rail is not broken. This may be FRA excepted track, 10 mph therefore they are okay to run on it. It is straight rail too so very little problem. No hazardous loads and no passengers. That big SD/40-2 had no problem going over it.
2 tankers allowed per load, must be spaced. This section is now fixed with the except of any new ballast material.
Please include the full railroad name(s) and where the clip was shot (State, City, etc.) Did you send the clip of the broken rail to the railroad headquarters? I certainly would have.
Nope. They watch my videos, know it for a fact. It was fixed. However there is currently a derailment here. No joke.
Why the heck were you standing that close to a train rolling over defective track when the cars were swaying that much?
Jeffry Blackmon EXACTLY! This poster is a real meatball! lol
It looked like that section of rail had no tie plate under it. It looks as if the rail was spiked directly to the tie. It would be of the best interest to the railroad to fix that rail joint as soon as possible.
It's slow track. They don't care.
You obviously don't know how short line railroads work.
Correct. They don't care.
so did you notify the railroad about the joint?
Which time?
And the tracks are still like that to this day
Na tak to mají v Americe pěkně mizerný koleje :-)
is that in bangladesh or vietnam?
America! LOL
@@jasonasselin i forgot, america has some cities worse than bangladesh [some areas of detroit for eg]
Can't there be a brand new Track like new Rails and new Ties
its not that bad, what im worried about is how close your standing to the tracks.
Its not that bad.. lol
jeeessuuus I have been closer it is nothing really looks worse on camera i think and anyways stay out of his business
@Jason Asselin Nah you are correct - not THAT bad - until something derails - then you ain't got a shit show in hell - of jumping out of harms way .. (natural selection of Darwinism see)
Is there a rail yard nearby cuz I would love to see a video of the railroad yard and see them doing switching and stuff
Jason Asselin: train engines go back and forth, do they run better one way or the other?
They operate either direction equally, but they have better visibility going forward
What does ILSX stand for
If it stays that speed there really isn't a problem at all. Maybe some more ballast and a few the replacements and will be just fine
Yeah, it could use replaced, but for a shortline railroad going less than 5 mph not a big deal. Worst that could happen is a wheel would pop off, in which case they would rerail it. (Which they probably have the equipment on board for)
Shortline track? As long as they go slow they will be fine, cost too much to put in new line
There is different grades of track with speed restrictions for each particular grade so that it is safe. Instead if making every track perfect a railroad can slow there trains down on a track not used much so that maintenance doesn't bankrupt them.
An old Milwaukee switch stand!
Good eye. I have one of those Milwaukee targets on a ground throw in my back yard.
wow is that a former conrail? cause it looks like it
Well you guessed it they still run that Conrail she's still going.
I don't think the rail road knows about this joint
Does MOW know about this?
Asselin, This is a French name ! Do you have some family in Quebec, Canada ? Very nice video by the way !
Is where we all came from many years ago I understand.
You noticed he had an "eh" in his text!
Give a tax break to railroad companys and they will fix it!!!
ni aqui en uruguay se ve eso en las vias de tren , que pena!!!
1 like 1 repaired rail
Looks like the mud pump express...
Looks like that tie rotted all the way through! Wow! Nice catch! Might I suggest joining this forum - www.michiganrailroads.com/MichRRs/Discuss/DiscGroupFrameUP.htm We'd love to have your videos. Keep up the good work Jason!
This isn't all that bad. This is the type of stuff that makes railroads hate foamers.
Im surprised it wasn't titled "BIG TRAIN EMERGENCY" TRAIN ALMOST DERAILES POTENTIALLY KILLING HUNDREDS ON NEGLECTED TRACK.
That is how all there lines are mostly....They have such crappy rails...Im sure these guys wont be around much longer
I noticed while reading the comments that you have a Milwaukee RR switch stand. May I ask how you were able to get it? Thanks!
Trainnut1958
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Pissed that they didn’t just stop instead of going back and forth MAKING IT WORSE AND MAKING PEOPLE WAIT
Wow!
what railroad is this?
Escanaba & Lake Superior
Former Milwaukee rails. Should be Ok for 10 mph. The angle bar will fail before the rail does.
Why do you have to stand so close?
still safe
poor maintenanance
I have a feeling that this line used to be abandoned for in excess of 25 years and when this road bought the line, they did the bare minimum to keep trains on the rails
Dude what's the name of this railroad?
Where is this?
East Kingsford, MI
...oh yeah, it will be fine to haul liquid propane, gasoline, crude oil, you know just what the hell ever....! lol
The bars are so bad I can’t see the train
extremely bad news. sh*t will happen. keep pushing for them to make a better and safer track.
Real trains are a lot harder to derail then feeble and small HO scale models i can say from experience. Good footage
Thanks for the comment!
An old ConRail loco 402
Bob the builder wants your location
May 15 is my birthday.
our awesome town, prolly wont do nothing about it tell, the engineer says something or something bad happens
You can tell that RR does not care anything about safety of people or cargo.
Probably can’t afford to repair the tracks
Ive actually seen worse. Where one rail was bent upward in the center 4-5 inches off of its end of the ties. No spikes holding it down for 10 to 15 feet. How did the train navigate that? Slowly. Crews wouldn't worry about it too much. The weight of the train would push the rail back down onto the tie plates that were still firmly attached to the ties.
You should have sent this video to the railroad. It will cause a derailment soon.
Let me get my welder 😂
Needs new ties
If you're scared.. step away
I have seen better rails in third world countries. It’s unacceptable here in the States.
Garbage comment. it's not that bad.
Don't worry Donald Trump will or love terminate RR CEO.
They don't care