I’m thinking shadow won’t remember mephiles but mephiles will remember him because if mephiles is brought back so would his memories you assume. Then it could be like their first encounter in 06 where mephiles knows who shadow is but shadow doesn’t know who mephiles is. And it’ll give mephiles double the motivation because now shadows defeated him twice
He, Sonic, and Silver are the only characters that remember the events of '06. Pretty sure Izuka said so in an interview several years back, he also confirmed that Blaze doesn't. Tho, he also admitted he didn't really know why she was there to begin with which means someone else made the decision to put her in lol.
@@ashemabahumat4173 I think he was just making something up on the spot cuz that can’t be the case like how would they not recognize silver in sonic rivals Also my head canon for blaze has always been that after she sacrificed herself she ended up in the sol dimension
I _adore_ that you feel towards Mephiles the way I feel towards Emerl. Granted he won't necessarily show up as a boss, but I _love_ the way he was represented in the prologue; so from one fan to another, congrats, man. Your boi is back home.
BROOOOOO this wouldve been perfect had Maekawa still been a Sonic team member. He had to cut so many things back in the 2000s because of time constraints..... Just imagine what Shadow would've been with him in charge of wriitng him.
At this point the only other thing I could be asking for is Super Shadow. Technically not possible story-wise since Sonic has the Emeralds (unless there's just multiple sets of Chaos Emeralds from different time periods but I don't think that's possible) but I really would love to have Super Shadow return, especially if he can mix his Super Form with the Doom Powers, I think that would be absolutely insane!
Something I don't think is being discussed quite enough is Black Doom, and his new form and role within this game. At first, it's pretty easy to assume that he's just been pulled from the past by the Time Eater, like all the other bosses. But with each new trailer, it's seeming more and more like that's not the case. He's actively pulling foes and locations from long after his previous appearance, his dialogue with Shadow seems to hint that he remembers his previous defeat, and may have even been planning his return, and his Black Arms soldiers seem to have evolved, since last time. And with the first episode of Dark Beginnings, we now know for sure that Black Doom was calling out to Shadow even outside of the Time Eater's void dimension. Add in his new ability to awaken Shadow's Doom Powers - seemingly implying a greater sphere of influence than he previously had - and I think it's safe to say this is more than just a recycling of an old enemy, like we've seen before. And that's to say nothing of his new form, which has *STRONG* "biblically-accurate angel" vibes! Snapcube may have been onto something by just calling him "the Devil, from the Bible," after all... FR, tho; my current theory is that the form we destroyed in Shadow the Hedgehog was an avatar, of sorts, and the giant sphere thing is his "true" form, which existed outside of space and time. Black Doom already had a bunch of vaguely-Lovecraftian religious imagery about his design, so they may be preparing to double-down on that and retcon him into some kind of eldritch deity, on par with the likes of Solaris and the End. It could be that his true form exists outside of space and time, and he needed an avatar to interact with the physical world, until the Time Eater's shattering of the timeline. His goal may be to turn Shadow into his new avatar, to restart the Black Arms takeover, once Sonic defeats the Time Eater.
Friendly reminder that since the events of Sonic 06 never happened, Sonic Rivals was the game that marked the actual meeting between Sonic and Silver, as well as Shadow and Silver.
Ok 1:I’m happy Mephiles is back 2:that Keanu reeves dlc yes 3:if sunset heights is here and those death egg robots are here 2 then does that mean an infinite will be in here as a boss
I think Shadow will remember Mephiles. in the original sonic generations, if you talk to Blaze in the hub world, she remarks about how she’s surprised to see crisis city again. This sort of confirms that certain characters, at least remember the events of that game.
The only one I'm sure who has concrete knowledge of 06's events would be Mephiles, everyone else would have vague ideas at best. I don't care either way. Opening the door for Mephiles to come back is all i need.
The gameplay for Sonic X Shadow Generations looks so very impressive, even with it's gameplay reminiscing one of the modern Sonic games like Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Colors. I really hope it contains a remaining lives system and I really it gets critically acclaimed, even with Black Doom and Mephiles the Dark returning. It's even nice to see Shadow the Hedgehog having his own game again, like with Shadow the Hedgehog the game from 2005.
Nah Mephiles will 100% remember Shadow, whereas Shadow will at the most vaguely remember him. This can lead to a lot of fun interactions between the two, Mephiles trying to get in Shadow's head as usual and Shadow negating his efforts.
There's been some speculation that Sonic Movie 3 will involve some form of time travel (explaining how an already elderly Gerald Robotnik is still alive 50 years later) and because of this, and the crossover DLC, what if something involving this game is actually directly tied to the movie? Like, what if the Time Eater created a hole in time & space, allowing Gerald & Shadow to travel 50 years into the future? Or what if they're trying to use its power to go back in time and save Maria? Maybe Eggman teams up with not only his classic self, but also his movie self? I feel there's a lot of room for many possibilities, but I'm really curious to find out more.
Mephiles: Long time no see, Shadow the Hedgehog. Do you remember me? Shadow: No... I don't even know you who you are, let alone remember you. Mephiles: Yet I remember YOU all too well. Oh how ironic timelines can be... *evil laugh*
Something I just wanna point out is that Radical Highway being the transition to white space isn’t possible as seen by Space Colony Ark 1 and Kingdom Valley 1, where the goal ring is in an area still representative of said zone.
With all of this excitement for seeing Professor Gerald, Maria, and Mephiles - and trust me, that’s super exciting for me, too - I’m wondering if we’re gonna get some more identity crisis drama with the Shadow Androids created by Eggman.
September 24th being my birthday and the biggest news day in sonic history is one of the best presents received (off topic but I hope if they have a rival battle for sonic in shadows story that it takes place in green forest instead of the ark like for sonics story)
I’m so glad that they’re acknowledging all the games. Even the ones they’d rather not. I miss when sonic and the entire gang were there and there were different play styles. I miss lovecraftian horror as a bonus for completing all the campaigns. I hope they go back to at least some of the things that made those games great.
I think the radical highway city shifting part fits neatly into the dark beginnings episode we got yesterday, and it might be an opening cutscene... i wont go into details bc i dont wanna spoil but i feel like they could meet up really neatly.
Stage 4 of Sonic: Adventure 2's Dark Story obvsly. On another note, from what I've seen in Shadow episode 1 and the gameplay footage, it seems we're going to be taking a journey through Shadow's memories and, being the product of countless alterations, episodes of amnesia, etc, they are going to be out of control and confusing. Perhaps we're trying to piece them together. Shadow's past is a mystery to him as well after all, so both the player and Shadow will uncover his backstory.
I'd only accept if Shadow emotionally remembers the events of 06. It's hinted the ending of the game shows that Sonic emotionally remembers the events as he went to visit the festival. If anything, Mephiles should remember exactly who shadow is and shadow should only emotionally remember him which would make his character work. (Now if only one of Shadow's traits wasn't exaggerated anymore then it'd be perfect)
I see that not only has Shadow made it to Scala Ad Caelum, but Quadratum as well, I even predicted him having his movie appearence while there similar to Sora having a much more realistic Hope Esthiem esque appearence.
I mean, Shadow probably doesn't remember Mephiles, but they could make they remember, like, let's say seeing Mephiles or something especific relating to the 06, makes they remember everything. People are saying that with Spider-Man, so that him revealing his identity to someone makes they remember who Peter Parker is, so they could do something similar here, it's a fun idea, there's some people that say Sonic remembers anyway, and I guess that with Ian Flynn believing in that theory that says Mephiles is related is some way or is some form of a Time Eater, they could make sense out of this
Wait people think that Mephiles being there messes up the canon as they are acknowledging Sonic 06 existed in a different timeline? Did they forget that Crisis city and Silver were in the original Sonic generations???
I hope that Shadow Generations will include White Jungle, Final Fortress, Gun Fortress, Black Comet and Dusty Dessert as the stages on that game. I also wish that Sonic Generations remastered will be indeed remastered in Sonic X Shadow Generations.
One thing im hopping they do for the story is where it takes place it would be cool if shadow story would take place after frontiers cause it would explain why sunset heights and chaos island would are in the game although it would be a real pain to explain how the time eater still exists even after generations
Sonic, as per OG Sonic Generations definitely remembers the events of 06. In fact, the Rivals Series has a more contentious standing in canon than Sonic 06 does. It's confirmed that all three hedgehogs, specifically, remember 06 because they fought Solaris outside of the time stream, everyone else forgot. Silver himself exists outside of the now-established timeline. We also never see the events of the Rivals Series get revisited in any way in subsequent games, even though 06, the storybook games, and the Rush series all get rehashed or mentioned here and there, including in OG Sonic Generations. The retcon we see is that the Shadow we'll be playing as is going to be from the time of Sonic Frontiers, while the Sonics we'll be playing as will be the Past Sonic and Classic Sonic from Generations.
I figured Mephiles the dark being back was due to the time eater theory. And he is trying to make Shadow remember him to escape his paradox death. That way when shadow remembers him he can come back due to (insert reason). Either way... Like Black Doom he was an interesting concept stuck in a not that great game.
I think he is gonna just keep these powers and use them in IDW, especially since the fact Shadow and the rest of Team Dark does not show up for the entire clean sweep arc, despite the fact Team Dark would realistically be on Clutch's ass as soon as he tries to do his plan, so it would probably make the most sense if this Shadow was Future Shadow/IDW Shadow pulled back in time by the time eater(this has a been a recent popular theory)
My little theory about interaction with mephiles is that they actually can remember eachother, the final story in sonic 06 shows us that mephiles connected all of the time and space in some kind of void and he lives in all that time at once so it's kind of similar to what is happening in sonic generations and the white space, so even if the time line is altered at the end of the game maybe the white space somehow brought back that alternated timeline as well as shadows memories of it, or maybe just the timeline and shadow still won't recognise him but mephiles will know who shadow is? I don't know but I am sure that sega will at least make it look right after the events of sonic 06 and I can't wait to see and play this part of the game
We already know that radical highway isn't after EVERY level, (It may be after some but not all) because we saw the end of kingdom valley and there was no city section.
OMG, is the Movie Pack DLC actually us jumping from the game to the movie itself and a level precursor of how Shadow appears to Team Sonic in the movie itself!? Shadow appears in the movie trailer walking up wreckage he caused before addressing the colorful bunch. Just saying, if true, that is next level interaction between games and movies.
Radical Highway is the transitional stage most likely, cause we see Sunset Heights assets in a transistional point. But it's not going to be the bookend of every stage due to Kingdom Valley Act 1 not ending in Radical Highway.
I don't remember what video, and I couldn't find a source of the info, but someone said that Sega confirmed that Shadow was one of the few to remember the events of Sonic 06 (to some degree) Keep in mind Sonic & Elise remembered things somewhat in the end
It's not the biggest, but it's up there. I wonder how many people are having a conniption at the prospect of '06 being canon... even tho they stayed Sonic, Shadow, and Silver remembered the events of the game in an interview.
Not gonna lie, this news day actually managed to impress me. I've been cynical of SEGA since Forces, as they kept disappointing me for years, even though Frontiers was beloved - I couldn't get into that game myself.
It'a always going to be weird to me that Sonic X Shadow Generations may as well be called "Shadow The Hedgehog II" by influencers. No one seems to care about the Sonic part at all, and why should they? The only thing people go on about seems to be "Well Shadow is going to fight Mephiles and have Angel Wings" and just completely ignoring the Sonic portion of the game. Sonic might as well not be in it the way influencers are talking about it.
Sonic generations: Oh man. Look at all these old memories with friends and fun battles ive had! Shadow generations: This is where my best friend was shot point blank. And right here is when my dad brainwashed me and tried to get me to commit genocide. Ah yeah, good times, gooooood times
I mean the main driving factor of everything in Generations and assumedly Shadow Gens also is Time Eater screwing up time and dumping it all in a white void Like you said the events of 06 were erased at the end, that timeline should no longer exist but Time Eater was still able to pull Crisis City into the white void; and if Shadow Gens is actually running alongside Sonic Gens, it also has pulled Sunset Heights and Chaos Island from future events into the void. Though if Doom could survive his defeat always the possibility Time Eater survived Gens and Shadow's campaign is set after Sonic's in the future at some point. No way to realy know until the Dark Beginnings Episodes finish and game is out Not beyond reason that the powers of Time Eater would restore everyone's memories of that erased timeline while within the void And ofc the trailer shows Maria and Gerald appearing in the white space so more timey wimey shenanigans Present Shadow vs SA2 "I promise you revenge" Shadow would be cool to see
People are hating on the doom powers, but the thing is. If shadow does keep them, then we will have a chance to not get an echo fighter for super smash 6 lmao
13:36 Im noticing that no one is talking about this scene this looks alot like metropolis from forces! is it possible that we could get an Infinite Mini Boss? similar to the mini chase sequence that shadow has with Doom's Eye in the ark?
I could see a second movie tie-in happen if the game and initial DLC does well, but I doubt they have a Sonic version planned right away. I wonder if we'll get a boss battle, though. Perhaps they'll have a GUN boss battle here, but it would be cool if we get a boss battle versus Team Sonic and we actually get to play that battle. And Shadow's all confused as to why they're fighting him because this is clearly the video game version of Shadow sent to be movie universe, so he's being mistaken for them. But that'd probably be too much effort because then we'd also need to get Idris Elba and Ben Schwartz as well. As for Mephiles, Mephiles SHOULD remember Shadow. Shadow in theory should not remember him, but I think he might have a deja vu sort of thing, or perhaps, he will remember Mephiles due to being in White Space, but wouldn't normally remember Mephiles outside of White Space. (Maybe that's why Blaze remembers Crisis City in White Space.)
Personally, I wish they could just retconned some things from Sonic 06 and maybe take Sonic Rivals out of that equation, too. About that whole Sonic and Silver meeting. Like I have a pitching idea is retcon Sonic 06, and make it into like a Multiverse idea, where Sonic, Shadow and friends are in the same world, while there's a 2nd world where Silver and Blaze reside in and there will be a brief moment that Blaze does recognize Sonic, cause if I'm not mistaken in Sonic Rush isn't Blaze from like another universe? I would also implement characters in Silver and Blaze world, like Cosmos from the Sonic X anime, like make her fit in with the Sonic games for once, Sally Acorn is another one too, the fact that she's never appeared in any Sonic games is wild. And there's a few more characters too that I would put in Silver and Blaze world. Like Eggman Naga and possibly Mephelis himself. I would also bring levels back from 06 like Crisis City and Kingdom Valley so they can stay intact with the retcon timeline because they're in Generations.
yeah, i really dont think that theyre not teasing sonic movie 4. Make no mistake, theyre gonna make a sonic movie 4 given how we can estimate how movie 3 is gonna be a box office smash, but this is definitely a bit of a stretch.
Idk if its just me but my sonic generations is broken cause I'd die doing actions that dont kill me on doing it on chemical plant as modern i jumped to the crane properly and still died and the texts on loading stages are broken
We pretty much know all the bosses for Sonadow generations Space colony ark: Biolizard Rail Canyon: Metal Overlord Kingdom Valley: Mephiles Sunset heights: Infinite Final boss: Black Doom (Did I forget a zone? I feel like I forgot a zone?)
@@guilhermeyearwoodpereiraco2256 ah thanks! But what would the boss be for that zone? Every Shadow villain is already accounted for. Maybe Sage? Or one of the titans?
@@corbangonzalez4935I think they're going to do the same thing they did in Sonic Generations and make 3 rival battles and 3 boss battles. If not, if they make one boss per stage, Chaos Island would have Knight as the boss.
8:35 actually they didn’t just remember they never met through the events that took place where silver even doesn’t know who Sonic is because since Solaris was put out Mephiles never told silver Sonic is the iblis trigger all the events of 06 never happened so to say Mephiles won’t remember shadow is not even a true thing because since the time eater messing with time Mephiles will for sure remember shadow because Mephiles is being pulled from a point of time where he still knows shadow
What was your favorite thing announced in sonic central?
The new generations trailer cause Maria was in it, and Marias awesome
mephiles because hes my fav character tbh and im one of the few that liked 06 🤷♂
@JustAdudeYaknow. yeah that two one day I wanna play as him
Sega finally having good marketing (not now, just this entire year with the new trailer and the new game)
M e p h I e s
I’m thinking shadow won’t remember mephiles but mephiles will remember him because if mephiles is brought back so would his memories you assume. Then it could be like their first encounter in 06 where mephiles knows who shadow is but shadow doesn’t know who mephiles is. And it’ll give mephiles double the motivation because now shadows defeated him twice
He, Sonic, and Silver are the only characters that remember the events of '06. Pretty sure Izuka said so in an interview several years back, he also confirmed that Blaze doesn't. Tho, he also admitted he didn't really know why she was there to begin with which means someone else made the decision to put her in lol.
@@ashemabahumat4173must've been Maekawa in that case.
This technically happens in the original 06
@@ashemabahumat4173 I think he was just making something up on the spot cuz that can’t be the case like how would they not recognize silver in sonic rivals
Also my head canon for blaze has always been that after she sacrificed herself she ended up in the sol dimension
@@ataladin87 yeah that’s what I was saying it would be cool cuz it would be like what happened in 06
I _adore_ that you feel towards Mephiles the way I feel towards Emerl. Granted he won't necessarily show up as a boss, but I _love_ the way he was represented in the prologue; so from one fan to another, congrats, man. Your boi is back home.
I hope Sega starts to notice what works and what doesn't because Sonic feels like he's really making a comeback after a decade of mediocre-to-bad.
It’s damn near impossible for Sonic to fail because he’s so beloved but I agree I think they’re starting to realize what works like you said
Mephiles FINALLY making his return is amazing. It proves 06’s timeline wasn’t actually erased but was floating around in limbo or something.
BROOOOOO this wouldve been perfect had Maekawa still been a Sonic team member.
He had to cut so many things back in the 2000s because of time constraints.....
Just imagine what Shadow would've been with him in charge of wriitng him.
Paramount announced that they’re going to do what MCU does, but with Sonic meaning we’re going to have tons of movies, shows, and etc.
At this point the only other thing I could be asking for is Super Shadow. Technically not possible story-wise since Sonic has the Emeralds (unless there's just multiple sets of Chaos Emeralds from different time periods but I don't think that's possible) but I really would love to have Super Shadow return, especially if he can mix his Super Form with the Doom Powers, I think that would be absolutely insane!
Super shadow 2?
I mean they are changing some scenes in Sonic gens so it’s possible
The trailer did include the Time Eater, so we might. Kinda hoping we get a full doom form for Shadow, and that stacking with his super form.
Calling it now, if you beat Sonic and Shadow Generations, you get a "Last Story" thing where all 3 hedgehogs go super.
Something I don't think is being discussed quite enough is Black Doom, and his new form and role within this game.
At first, it's pretty easy to assume that he's just been pulled from the past by the Time Eater, like all the other bosses. But with each new trailer, it's seeming more and more like that's not the case. He's actively pulling foes and locations from long after his previous appearance, his dialogue with Shadow seems to hint that he remembers his previous defeat, and may have even been planning his return, and his Black Arms soldiers seem to have evolved, since last time. And with the first episode of Dark Beginnings, we now know for sure that Black Doom was calling out to Shadow even outside of the Time Eater's void dimension. Add in his new ability to awaken Shadow's Doom Powers - seemingly implying a greater sphere of influence than he previously had - and I think it's safe to say this is more than just a recycling of an old enemy, like we've seen before.
And that's to say nothing of his new form, which has *STRONG* "biblically-accurate angel" vibes! Snapcube may have been onto something by just calling him "the Devil, from the Bible," after all...
FR, tho; my current theory is that the form we destroyed in Shadow the Hedgehog was an avatar, of sorts, and the giant sphere thing is his "true" form, which existed outside of space and time. Black Doom already had a bunch of vaguely-Lovecraftian religious imagery about his design, so they may be preparing to double-down on that and retcon him into some kind of eldritch deity, on par with the likes of Solaris and the End. It could be that his true form exists outside of space and time, and he needed an avatar to interact with the physical world, until the Time Eater's shattering of the timeline. His goal may be to turn Shadow into his new avatar, to restart the Black Arms takeover, once Sonic defeats the Time Eater.
Friendly reminder that since the events of Sonic 06 never happened, Sonic Rivals was the game that marked the actual meeting between Sonic and Silver, as well as Shadow and Silver.
holy shit
9:24 meph should know shadow since you know he has his model, shadow shouldn't know him tho
I think stage 4 is a reference to radical highway being stage for of dark story in sa2
*four
I also thought that!
8:59 it would be dope if shadow doesn't know who mephiles is but mephiles does 😏
Ok 1:I’m happy Mephiles is back
2:that Keanu reeves dlc yes
3:if sunset heights is here and those death egg robots are here 2 then does that mean an infinite will be in here as a boss
I think Shadow will remember Mephiles. in the original sonic generations, if you talk to Blaze in the hub world, she remarks about how she’s surprised to see crisis city again. This sort of confirms that certain characters, at least remember the events of that game.
Yes and the Japan ver of tsr makes sonic remember silver
And tbh it makes sense that silver won’t remember anything at all
The only one I'm sure who has concrete knowledge of 06's events would be Mephiles, everyone else would have vague ideas at best. I don't care either way. Opening the door for Mephiles to come back is all i need.
The gameplay for Sonic X Shadow Generations looks so very impressive, even with it's gameplay reminiscing one of the modern Sonic games like Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Colors. I really hope it contains a remaining lives system and I really it gets critically acclaimed, even with Black Doom and Mephiles the Dark returning. It's even nice to see Shadow the Hedgehog having his own game again, like with Shadow the Hedgehog the game from 2005.
Nah Mephiles will 100% remember Shadow, whereas Shadow will at the most vaguely remember him. This can lead to a lot of fun interactions between the two, Mephiles trying to get in Shadow's head as usual and Shadow negating his efforts.
There's been some speculation that Sonic Movie 3 will involve some form of time travel (explaining how an already elderly Gerald Robotnik is still alive 50 years later) and because of this, and the crossover DLC, what if something involving this game is actually directly tied to the movie?
Like, what if the Time Eater created a hole in time & space, allowing Gerald & Shadow to travel 50 years into the future? Or what if they're trying to use its power to go back in time and save Maria? Maybe Eggman teams up with not only his classic self, but also his movie self?
I feel there's a lot of room for many possibilities, but I'm really curious to find out more.
There's also the obvious possibility of Silver getting involved as well.
Mephiles: Long time no see, Shadow the Hedgehog. Do you remember me?
Shadow: No... I don't even know you who you are, let alone remember you.
Mephiles: Yet I remember YOU all too well. Oh how ironic timelines can be... *evil laugh*
Something I just wanna point out is that Radical Highway being the transition to white space isn’t possible as seen by Space Colony Ark 1 and Kingdom Valley 1, where the goal ring is in an area still representative of said zone.
Mephiles will remember Shadow, but Shadow won't remember him...
With all of this excitement for seeing Professor Gerald, Maria, and Mephiles - and trust me, that’s super exciting for me, too - I’m wondering if we’re gonna get some more identity crisis drama with the Shadow Androids created by Eggman.
09:22 or Shadow doesn't recognized Mephilis but he Mephilis DOES recognized Shadow and also team up willingly with Black Doom
Sonic gens base had lots of bonus levels set in the regular stages so maybe that’s why we’ve seen so many different variations of radical highway
September 24th being my birthday and the biggest news day in sonic history is one of the best presents received (off topic but I hope if they have a rival battle for sonic in shadows story that it takes place in green forest instead of the ark like for sonics story)
We knew Blackdooms old form would be in Shadow gens because the render was released before
I feel like Sonic and Shadow are the only few who remember the events of 06
They don't remember, anytime they're on Crisis City or something, they have like a feeling of having been there before.
@DarioAcereto I mean we don't know about Shadow, he could remember Mephiles
@DarioAcereto we could get a call back to when Shadow and Mephiles first met actually
@@DarioAcereto nah bro sonic definitely remembers i don't know about shadow
I’m so glad that they’re acknowledging all the games. Even the ones they’d rather not. I miss when sonic and the entire gang were there and there were different play styles. I miss lovecraftian horror as a bonus for completing all the campaigns. I hope they go back to at least some of the things that made those games great.
I think the radical highway city shifting part fits neatly into the dark beginnings episode we got yesterday, and it might be an opening cutscene... i wont go into details bc i dont wanna spoil but i feel like they could meet up really neatly.
Stage 4 of Sonic: Adventure 2's Dark Story obvsly. On another note, from what I've seen in Shadow episode 1 and the gameplay footage, it seems we're going to be taking a journey through Shadow's memories and, being the product of countless alterations, episodes of amnesia, etc, they are going to be out of control and confusing. Perhaps we're trying to piece them together. Shadow's past is a mystery to him as well after all, so both the player and Shadow will uncover his backstory.
I'd only accept if Shadow emotionally remembers the events of 06. It's hinted the ending of the game shows that Sonic emotionally remembers the events as he went to visit the festival.
If anything, Mephiles should remember exactly who shadow is and shadow should only emotionally remember him which would make his character work.
(Now if only one of Shadow's traits wasn't exaggerated anymore then it'd be perfect)
I see that not only has Shadow made it to Scala Ad Caelum, but Quadratum as well, I even predicted him having his movie appearence while there similar to Sora having a much more realistic Hope Esthiem esque appearence.
I really hope they give good dialogue between Shadow and Mephiles. I hope there’s some story to tell why the events 06 is remembered(?)
I mean, Shadow probably doesn't remember Mephiles, but they could make they remember, like, let's say seeing Mephiles or something especific relating to the 06, makes they remember everything. People are saying that with Spider-Man, so that him revealing his identity to someone makes they remember who Peter Parker is, so they could do something similar here, it's a fun idea, there's some people that say Sonic remembers anyway, and I guess that with Ian Flynn believing in that theory that says Mephiles is related is some way or is some form of a Time Eater, they could make sense out of this
You can keep the doom wings. Giving him regular use of his Chaos powers is better. Taking the good ideas from 06 is always a win.
Cool little detail that movie shadow has an extra quill, dunno why its here but its funny
Wait people think that Mephiles being there messes up the canon as they are acknowledging Sonic 06 existed in a different timeline? Did they forget that Crisis city and Silver were in the original Sonic generations???
Great video there Jordan. I can't wait to play this. Might go back and play Sonic Generations and see if I can get the platinum
I hope that Shadow Generations will include White Jungle, Final Fortress, Gun Fortress, Black Comet and Dusty Dessert as the stages on that game. I also wish that Sonic Generations remastered will be indeed remastered in Sonic X Shadow Generations.
Its really funny watching the first minute of this video just because the easter egg hes talking about is chacron, the chao to the right of him
One thing im hopping they do for the story is where it takes place it would be cool if shadow story would take place after frontiers cause it would explain why sunset heights and chaos island would are in the game although it would be a real pain to explain how the time eater still exists even after generations
My theory for mephiles is that they're gonna say shadow is the ultimate life form and he doesn't forget the events in 06
Yesterday was a good day for both Sonic and Dragon ball communities.❤
I think there's going to be a climax where Shadow will have to choose between saving Maria or stopping Black Doom
Sonic, as per OG Sonic Generations definitely remembers the events of 06. In fact, the Rivals Series has a more contentious standing in canon than Sonic 06 does. It's confirmed that all three hedgehogs, specifically, remember 06 because they fought Solaris outside of the time stream, everyone else forgot. Silver himself exists outside of the now-established timeline. We also never see the events of the Rivals Series get revisited in any way in subsequent games, even though 06, the storybook games, and the Rush series all get rehashed or mentioned here and there, including in OG Sonic Generations.
The retcon we see is that the Shadow we'll be playing as is going to be from the time of Sonic Frontiers, while the Sonics we'll be playing as will be the Past Sonic and Classic Sonic from Generations.
Oh episode 2 of dark beginnings comes out on my birthday, that’s neat
mephiles would be cool as a true boss having something to do with the time eater
I figured Mephiles the dark being back was due to the time eater theory.
And he is trying to make Shadow remember him to escape his paradox death.
That way when shadow remembers him he can come back due to (insert reason).
Either way... Like Black Doom he was an interesting concept stuck in a not that great game.
I think he is gonna just keep these powers and use them in IDW, especially since the fact Shadow and the rest of Team Dark does not show up for the entire clean sweep arc, despite the fact Team Dark would realistically be on Clutch's ass as soon as he tries to do his plan, so it would probably make the most sense if this Shadow was Future Shadow/IDW Shadow pulled back in time by the time eater(this has a been a recent popular theory)
They got Keanu to voice the movie Shadow Skin? Sega is just taking victory laps at this point that's insane.
My little theory about interaction with mephiles is that they actually can remember eachother, the final story in sonic 06 shows us that mephiles connected all of the time and space in some kind of void and he lives in all that time at once so it's kind of similar to what is happening in sonic generations and the white space, so even if the time line is altered at the end of the game maybe the white space somehow brought back that alternated timeline as well as shadows memories of it, or maybe just the timeline and shadow still won't recognise him but mephiles will know who shadow is? I don't know but I am sure that sega will at least make it look right after the events of sonic 06 and I can't wait to see and play this part of the game
We already know that radical highway isn't after EVERY level, (It may be after some but not all) because we saw the end of kingdom valley and there was no city section.
OMG, is the Movie Pack DLC actually us jumping from the game to the movie itself and a level precursor of how Shadow appears to Team Sonic in the movie itself!? Shadow appears in the movie trailer walking up wreckage he caused before addressing the colorful bunch. Just saying, if true, that is next level interaction between games and movies.
Radical Highway is the transitional stage most likely, cause we see Sunset Heights assets in a transistional point. But it's not going to be the bookend of every stage due to Kingdom Valley Act 1 not ending in Radical Highway.
i feel like mephiles would remember shadow cause the reason he has that form is because of shadow capturing him in the past
2:13 in the uk the forst episode came out on the 26th at 1AM
Nice video bro!!! will you play it on the channel when it comes out?
I don't remember what video, and I couldn't find a source of the info, but someone said that Sega confirmed that Shadow was one of the few to remember the events of Sonic 06 (to some degree)
Keep in mind Sonic & Elise remembered things somewhat in the end
Awesome render choices in the thumbnail.
We need year of Silver
9:07 I think it could work if mephiles remembers shadow but shadow doesn’t remember him
Man, if they really ever bother bringing back the drift, this should have been it.
It's not the biggest, but it's up there. I wonder how many people are having a conniption at the prospect of '06 being canon... even tho they stayed Sonic, Shadow, and Silver remembered the events of the game in an interview.
Not gonna lie, this news day actually managed to impress me.
I've been cynical of SEGA since Forces, as they kept disappointing me for years, even though Frontiers was beloved - I couldn't get into that game myself.
It'a always going to be weird to me that Sonic X Shadow Generations may as well be called "Shadow The Hedgehog II" by influencers. No one seems to care about the Sonic part at all, and why should they? The only thing people go on about seems to be "Well Shadow is going to fight Mephiles and have Angel Wings" and just completely ignoring the Sonic portion of the game. Sonic might as well not be in it the way influencers are talking about it.
Sonic generations: Oh man. Look at all these old memories with friends and fun battles ive had!
Shadow generations: This is where my best friend was shot point blank.
And right here is when my dad brainwashed me and tried to get me to commit genocide.
Ah yeah, good times, gooooood times
The city stage is westopolis and radical highway
the 4 is supposed to represent that dammned 4th emerald shadow was looking for in his game
Weird question but where is the Shadow on the thumbnail from? I love the render!
I think radical highway will be the bonus levels
I love mephilis design even tho i never played 06
More levels for Sonic too
I mean the main driving factor of everything in Generations and assumedly Shadow Gens also is Time Eater screwing up time and dumping it all in a white void
Like you said the events of 06 were erased at the end, that timeline should no longer exist but Time Eater was still able to pull Crisis City into the white void; and if Shadow Gens is actually running alongside Sonic Gens, it also has pulled Sunset Heights and Chaos Island from future events into the void. Though if Doom could survive his defeat always the possibility Time Eater survived Gens and Shadow's campaign is set after Sonic's in the future at some point. No way to realy know until the Dark Beginnings Episodes finish and game is out
Not beyond reason that the powers of Time Eater would restore everyone's memories of that erased timeline while within the void
And ofc the trailer shows Maria and Gerald appearing in the white space so more timey wimey shenanigans
Present Shadow vs SA2 "I promise you revenge" Shadow would be cool to see
People are hating on the doom powers, but the thing is. If shadow does keep them, then we will have a chance to not get an echo fighter for super smash 6 lmao
13:36 Im noticing that no one is talking about this scene this looks alot like metropolis from forces! is it possible that we could get an Infinite Mini Boss? similar to the mini chase sequence that shadow has with Doom's Eye in the ark?
Nah that’s just radical highway but lighter.
As soon as I saw mephiles I preodered the game
I could see a second movie tie-in happen if the game and initial DLC does well, but I doubt they have a Sonic version planned right away.
I wonder if we'll get a boss battle, though. Perhaps they'll have a GUN boss battle here, but it would be cool if we get a boss battle versus Team Sonic and we actually get to play that battle. And Shadow's all confused as to why they're fighting him because this is clearly the video game version of Shadow sent to be movie universe, so he's being mistaken for them. But that'd probably be too much effort because then we'd also need to get Idris Elba and Ben Schwartz as well.
As for Mephiles, Mephiles SHOULD remember Shadow. Shadow in theory should not remember him, but I think he might have a deja vu sort of thing, or perhaps, he will remember Mephiles due to being in White Space, but wouldn't normally remember Mephiles outside of White Space. (Maybe that's why Blaze remembers Crisis City in White Space.)
Personally, I wish they could just retconned some things from Sonic 06 and maybe take Sonic Rivals out of that equation, too. About that whole Sonic and Silver meeting. Like I have a pitching idea is retcon Sonic 06, and make it into like a Multiverse idea, where Sonic, Shadow and friends are in the same world, while there's a 2nd world where Silver and Blaze reside in and there will be a brief moment that Blaze does recognize Sonic, cause if I'm not mistaken in Sonic Rush isn't Blaze from like another universe? I would also implement characters in Silver and Blaze world, like Cosmos from the Sonic X anime, like make her fit in with the Sonic games for once, Sally Acorn is another one too, the fact that she's never appeared in any Sonic games is wild. And there's a few more characters too that I would put in Silver and Blaze world. Like Eggman Naga and possibly Mephelis himself.
I would also bring levels back from 06 like Crisis City and Kingdom Valley so they can stay intact with the retcon timeline because they're in Generations.
The only doom power i want to keep are the wings
I like doom morph though
Just cause of the design
I think that they should all stay
I hope we keep them.all
Hoping for that as well as a form that fully unleashes Shadow's doom powers
Shadow wont rember mephlis but mephlis will rember shadow
Radical Highway could be used in the challenge acts
I think chaos might be the villain of sonic movie 4
yeah, i really dont think that theyre not teasing sonic movie 4. Make no mistake, theyre gonna make a sonic movie 4 given how we can estimate how movie 3 is gonna be a box office smash, but this is definitely a bit of a stretch.
maybe the 4 is a reference to the 4th chaos emerald meme?
Where's that damn fourth Chaos Emerald?!
Where did you get the renders from in the thumbnail?
I just want a devil doom boss.. please sega
Did the prologue release today? Can't seem to find it.
Official sonic channel
Icing on the cake? Please get Dan Green to voice him?
1:29
Whats stage 4 of SA2?
Radical Highway.
@@DarioAcereto i believe thats the easter egg
Idk if its just me but my sonic generations is broken cause I'd die doing actions that dont kill me on doing it on chemical plant as modern i jumped to the crane properly and still died and the texts on loading stages are broken
We pretty much know all the bosses for Sonadow generations
Space colony ark: Biolizard
Rail Canyon: Metal Overlord
Kingdom Valley: Mephiles
Sunset heights: Infinite
Final boss: Black Doom
(Did I forget a zone? I feel like I forgot a zone?)
You forgot Chaos Island.
Infinite and mephiles coming back would be badass, infinite had so much potential and mephiles is a legend
@@guilhermeyearwoodpereiraco2256 ah thanks! But what would the boss be for that zone? Every Shadow villain is already accounted for. Maybe Sage? Or one of the titans?
@@corbangonzalez4935I think they're going to do the same thing they did in Sonic Generations and make 3 rival battles and 3 boss battles. If not, if they make one boss per stage, Chaos Island would have Knight as the boss.
You missed Chaos Island
I want super shadow
8:35 actually they didn’t just remember they never met through the events that took place where silver even doesn’t know who Sonic is because since Solaris was put out Mephiles never told silver Sonic is the iblis trigger all the events of 06 never happened so to say Mephiles won’t remember shadow is not even a true thing because since the time eater messing with time Mephiles will for sure remember shadow because Mephiles is being pulled from a point of time where he still knows shadow
Honestly I personally don't like the Doom Powers he's already got Chaos Powers they kinda seem over kill
Yay😊
Urm black doom? I only see the devil from the Bible.
He go get his power taking from doom and use super shadow
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I don't like the DLC Thing .. the Game is Not Out Jet and they anounce a DLC ..
DLC should never be shown ahead of time only after the Game is Out ..