No wonder poor little Hans was so traumatized. The carriage accident was horrendous but probably his parents never talked it over with him and tried to help him to deal with it. Instead of kindness, he was threatened with castration by his mother!!! He was getting very little kindness or understanding from his mother so the arrival of his baby sister probably filled him with despair. How useless of Freud to think that the child's fear of horses was really a fear of his father. The accident he had seen was quite enough to explain his fear of horses. In addition Hans may have been afraid of his father because fathers were frightening authoritarians in those days. Hans' father may have been irritated with Hans wanting to be with his mother because boys were supposed to be cold, self-sufficient individuals who didn't show their emotions. Hans probably just wanted a bit of kindness from his mother who doesn't sound like a very caring person. The Oedipus theory really got in the way of Hans getting some kindly, reassuring parenting. Thank goodness, these days help for troubled children is more practical and useful.
Youre right; when Hans' parents got divorced Hans & his sister (Hanna) got seperated leaving Hanna to be raised by their mom, who was v likely severly depressed and abused her. Later on, Hanna killed herself later on, probably as a result of the trauma caused by her mom. So its v likely that both Hanna and Hans were subjected to abuse (from probably both parents)
Fun FREUDIAN Fact: He was an avid recreational coke user. He was so taken with the drug that he wrote of the euphoria it caused, which in turn stirred sexual arousal towards his mistress
The way Freud was thinking is the biggest piece of dogshit I ve ever heard. The shocking thing is that people nowadays are still treated with this strange method. And even more shocking is that some teachers in University love Freud. How could a rational human being do that. Freud is a very interesting piece of history, but PLEASE don't take that 1st degree.
Fun fact about Freud: He was a huge coke user and on one occasion gave his niece a little baggy as a Christmas gift and told her to have a "white Christmas"
I’m surprised to how hostile the comments are towards Freud. The criticism isn’t very fair and it seems like it is done by those who either have not read him or only want to use an ad hominem. Much of our language today is totally based on Freudian psychoanalysis. Freuds Oedipal complex is not about incest. It’s about how parents can make their kids so naive that they hide in fantasies and have a phobia of what is real. And of course Freud thought such that life was highly sexual and so you sexualized your protectors. I personally don’t think life is very sexual and I’m a Jungian so I see the Oedipal complex as mythological. But Freud is no slouch!
The criticism is exactly fair. Freud was a slouch. His coke usage made his brain so open that it fell out. Saying he has impact is no compliment; his impact is a negative one that's set psychology back, and the psychodynamic nonsense still manages an insidious influence today, even if much mitigated.
My son had what seemed like an Oedipus complex but it wasen't because at 5 he wanted to sleep with me but because the monsters came out of his closet at night and scared him. He knew when my husband was out of town he could sleep safe in my bed but when my husband came back from a business trip he couldn't as my husband and I after being away from each other for many days naturally wanted to have a great deal of intimacy. Thus when my husband came home from a trip he would push the door close and say "Leave, I'm sleeping with Mommy". Rather than this being sexual he explained the monsters did not follow him to my room. His sister who was 4 years older than agreed to allow him to sleep with her and he felt safe there until when he was about 8 he outgrew all fear of monsters.
My sister majored in psychology when in college. She decided to psychoanalyze every damned event in her life. Worse, she applied every theory she learned to others around her and boy did she let us know about it. She lived her entire life knowing other people had many twisted problems but thank God, she didn’t. She lived a miserable, angry existence blaming every around her for her unfortunate life, because why? She knew better than everybody else, of course. All of you deep thinkers, maybe Freud just had an unnatural attraction to his own mother and had a multitude of dingaling problems, deciding to dump it on all of you.
maybe you're redirecting anger towards the special case that is your sister and lashing out at anyone u see as similar to her because she never listened to you calling her out
A five year old boy wouldnt typically have those fantasies though, the boy would have been too young to understand that. And the fact that Freud told this boy that was the case is traumatising for him
When Freud started working, women (and sometimes men) told him that their fathers (usually) had had sex with them and Freud did what people still do today when incest is reported - he disbelieved them. He didn't want to believe that highly respectable men in their expensive suits and top hats had committed those crimes so he betrayed his patients by creating a theory that the children had invented daydreams arising out of their wish to have sex with their parents. So I believe that the Oedipus complex is a huge deception and a betrayal of the victims of incest who wanted to tell him what had happened to them. Freud may also have been reluctant to believe these very distressing stories because of his situation as a Jew in an anti-Semitic world. He had seen his father often being forced off the pavement onto the road by respectable men who wanted to humiliate his father. Freud vowed that he would never step aside like his father had done but the Oedipus complex theory is exactly that - Freud being too intimidated by these racist and powerful people to face up to the truth of what his patients were telling him. And well he might have been afraid. Freud was able to escape to Britain during World War II - though there was anti-Semitism there, too - but his sisters were imprisoned in Auschwitz where they died. Freud was puzzled by the way he sometimes fainted when he met a highly respectable man. Very likely he searched among his theories of childhood trauma to explain it, but I think when he met those very respectable men, he knew instinctively what a thin veneer that respectability was. Antisemitism and racism weren't just German/Austrian problems. They were problems in most nations. In his autobiography, Hans Christian Anderson, that very nice man who wrote "The Little Match Girl" to encourage compassion towards the poor, wrote dismissively about a group of poor Jewish people he noticed on his travels. That kind of ugliness can be just below the surface of many a well-dressed person so Freud's fainting was probably an intuitive response to the kind of horror which later killed his sisters. Thus I don't blame Freud for recoiling from the stories of incest. They are after all absolutely appalling. However, I am glad that now people are more willing to listen respectfully to those who are the victims of domestic violence and to support them in having safe, healthy lives.
@@tracesprite6078 of course, it had to be anti-Semitism right? Certainly there was more reasoning to the Oedipus Complex than as a reason to dismiss cases of incest, adult humans have an sexual aversion to those they are closely related to, this is the brain's natural way of discouraging incest. Children, on the other hand, have not developed sexually and therefore do not understand sexual attraction, their only concept of love is that between a parent and a child, or that of a friend. Since children have no concept of sexuality in the way a mature person does, marriage, kissing, and other forms of affection are completely asexual. So when a child is 'in love' with they're mother, they are not sexually attracted the way an adult could be, rather they are displaying their emotions about they're mother who is, in a child's mind, the most important person, and therefore the most desirable emotionally. I believe the Oedipus Complex stems from these young children beginning to mature and develop sexually in their emotions. During this period (I would estimate between the ages of 5-10) male children start to understand what sex is and its purpose, yet they do not fully understand. As they begin to develop new ideas of attraction and love, the old ideas of mother-son love (which was the strongest emotional relationship they had until this point) will merge with the new ideas of sexual attraction and love. Through this merge, they see their mother, whom they have a strong love to, become not just an object of emotional love, but of sexual love too. These feelings die out as the child begins to undergo puberty and their sexuality develops into an adult sexuality, (based on the desire to breed rather than just emotional attachment.) and the Oedipus Complex dissolves. I would also suggest that some people do not develop in a healthy way and therefore, the Oedipus Complex remains intact. These people remain incestuous into their adult life.
@@tracesprite6078 He first reported to the community in a paper that people were being molested. The outrage was severe. He took some time off to think about it, coming to the second theory concerning the oedipus complex where the community was even more outraged.
to all the people in the comments who don’t believe in the oedpus complex , i hate to say this online but i have it . it’s real frauid is correct and shouldn’t be shamed for putting a name to it. I don’t get how people who don’t have an attraction to their other gendered parent , just say it isn’t a thing. like yes it is a thing it’s a very common thing as a girl our daddies are our first love and we forever search for him if that is interrupted. it’s sort of like saying schizophrenia it doesn’t exist and that the discovery of that was wrong just because you don’t have schizophrenia or that schizophrenia makes you uncomfortable
Can't tell if you are a troll or not with all those frequent spelling errors and lack of capital letters. If you are serious, please read carefully what I'm writing here and maybe search some things up for yourself before you reply. No, incestuous thoughts are just very rare, just go ahead and ask every child and adult to see how many are or were sexually attracted to their own parents and the reason why they were or weren't sexually attracted to their own parents. Also, not all people grew up with a parent of the opposite sex nor are romantically attracted to the opposite sex either. Almost all people of all ages I had met have always been disgusted by incest for their own parents throughout their lives and have never any sexual nor romantic feelings towards them. There could be a natural reason people feel disgust by sexual feelings towards close relatives such as to avoid inbreeding which could lead to unfortunate consequences. Such phenomenon is called Westermarck effect were people are more likely to feel disgust of having sexual thoughts towards people who you grew up with a lot throughout your childhood. What is common however is having a crush towards other unrelated people who do somewhat resembles their parents or older siblings but that's simply because they prefer the familiar traits that are similar to their parents or siblings but that doesn't mean they are attracted towards the siblings or parents themselves. I don't deny that you maybe had a crush on your father growing up but just because anyone had one experience doesn't always mean it's common. In fact, it's interesting that you had that particular feeling growing up to you father. I'm curious to hear your explanation to why you had your crush on your own father. Even if it's not common as you believe, it still sounds just cute if you grew over it and not caused by any abuse. Most cases of one-sided non-abusive incestuous feelings from a child are often caused when the close family member are absent most of your early childhood such as only living with one parent during divorce or having one busy parent who travels a lot on business trips away from home. This also decrease the Westermarck effect which will in turn increase the risk of confusion for the child's sexual imprinting if the close family member is related but the child could grow out of it if the child continue meeting that relative at times or more before their adolescence. Freud himself for example, had a small crush on his own mother for a while which was likely because he was mostly raised by a wet nurse at early age rather than his own mother which was a common practice to leave a child to a wet nurse in richer families at his time. While the possibility of a child having incestuous feelings for their parents aren't rejected by itself, only the idea that it's an universal phase of life that all people goes through that is rejected due to lack of actual scientific data other than a few isolated individual interviews such as this case of Little Hans. You need to collect at least thousands of interviews from different populations to determent how common it is in science. The more recent it is and more data you collect the more credibility it gets. It's also important to mention the unfortunate context behind Freud's creation of Oedipus Complex (other than his personal experience) as it was actually made to deny his previous Seduction Theory which documented on his many female patient's testimonies of their childhood traumas of actual sexual abuse from their fathers. After he published his report, he got threatened to get bankrupted by other rich men at the time who was actually sexually abusive towards their own children and got pissed off that Freud pointing out their sexual abuse so Freud was forced to reverse the narrative and start blaming the actual victims of child abuse as "they just fantasizing wanting to have sex with their father." just to reclaim his reputation. Freud had many hypothesis that got rejected in current times due to lack of actual scientific data other than just few very specific individual cases. One of his rejected controversial ideas was "Penis Envy" were ALL women thinks they were castrated by their parents as children and thus have anxiety for not possessing a penis. This idea is obviously not true to most women and did lack any bases at all during his time which was also made up due to his outdated political views on women at the time. Some individuals maybe had that particular experience but it's extremely rare too. However just because there's something unusual and rare doesn't mean it's bad and it's okay if something isn't common so long it doesn't hurt you or others. After all, we all are equally unique in our own ways with many combinations of experiences no matter if it's common or unusual ;)
No wonder poor little Hans was so traumatized. The carriage accident was horrendous but probably his parents never talked it over with him and tried to help him to deal with it. Instead of kindness, he was threatened with castration by his mother!!! He was getting very little kindness or understanding from his mother so the arrival of his baby sister probably filled him with despair. How useless of Freud to think that the child's fear of horses was really a fear of his father. The accident he had seen was quite enough to explain his fear of horses. In addition Hans may have been afraid of his father because fathers were frightening authoritarians in those days. Hans' father may have been irritated with Hans wanting to be with his mother because boys were supposed to be cold, self-sufficient individuals who didn't show their emotions. Hans probably just wanted a bit of kindness from his mother who doesn't sound like a very caring person. The Oedipus theory really got in the way of Hans getting some kindly, reassuring parenting. Thank goodness, these days help for troubled children is more practical and useful.
Youre right; when Hans' parents got divorced Hans & his sister (Hanna) got seperated leaving Hanna to be raised by their mom, who was v likely severly depressed and abused her. Later on, Hanna killed herself later on, probably as a result of the trauma caused by her mom. So its v likely that both Hanna and Hans were subjected to abuse (from probably both parents)
I’m currently studying Freud in psychology. This is a well explained simplified telling of the little hans study. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Same here
I just finished the video I am forever scarred
to everyone who struggled to watch this video, just be glad your name isn't Hans.
Fun FREUDIAN Fact: He was an avid recreational coke user. He was so taken with the drug that he wrote of the euphoria it caused, which in turn stirred sexual arousal towards his mistress
haha he’s not wrong 😅 coke can def make you feel sum type of way 😂😂
The way Freud was thinking is the biggest piece of dogshit I ve ever heard. The shocking thing is that people nowadays are still treated with this strange method. And even more shocking is that some teachers in University love Freud. How could a rational human being do that.
Freud is a very interesting piece of history, but PLEASE don't take that 1st degree.
everything... love it... just don't personally need the music baubling away - its distracting
Exactly why parents shouldn’t psychoanalyze their own children. Or Drs shouldn’t psychoanalyze from a distance.
Fun fact about Freud: He was a huge coke user and on one occasion gave his niece a little baggy as a Christmas gift and told her to have a "white Christmas"
😂
I’m surprised to how hostile the comments are towards Freud. The criticism isn’t very fair and it seems like it is done by those who either have not read him or only want to use an ad hominem. Much of our language today is totally based on Freudian psychoanalysis. Freuds Oedipal complex is not about incest. It’s about how parents can make their kids so naive that they hide in fantasies and have a phobia of what is real. And of course Freud thought such that life was highly sexual and so you sexualized your protectors. I personally don’t think life is very sexual and I’m a Jungian so I see the Oedipal complex as mythological. But Freud is no slouch!
The criticism is exactly fair. Freud was a slouch. His coke usage made his brain so open that it fell out. Saying he has impact is no compliment; his impact is a negative one that's set psychology back, and the psychodynamic nonsense still manages an insidious influence today, even if much mitigated.
My son had what seemed like an Oedipus complex but it wasen't because at 5 he wanted to sleep with me
but because the monsters came out of his closet at night and scared him. He knew when my husband was out of
town he could sleep safe in my bed but when my husband came back from a business trip he couldn't
as my husband and I after being away from each other for many days naturally wanted to have a great
deal of intimacy. Thus when my husband came home from a trip he would push the door close and say "Leave,
I'm sleeping with Mommy". Rather than this being sexual he explained the monsters did not follow him to my room.
His sister who was 4 years older than agreed to allow him to sleep with her and he felt safe there until when he was about
8 he outgrew all fear of monsters.
This help me a lot. Thanks!
This is some serious Alabama type shit
People are weird! Humans are strange!
Excellent . You've moved the clouds for the sun. Keeper commin
Yes Please
Thank u - danbutt
do i even have to write this down in my exam paper 😭my god so twisted
My sister majored in psychology when in college. She decided to psychoanalyze every damned event in her life. Worse, she applied every theory she learned to others around her and boy did she let us know about it. She lived her entire life knowing other people had many twisted problems but thank God, she didn’t. She lived a miserable, angry existence blaming every around her for her unfortunate life, because why? She knew better than everybody else, of course. All of you deep thinkers, maybe Freud just had an unnatural attraction to his own mother and had a multitude of dingaling problems, deciding to dump it on all of you.
maybe you're redirecting anger towards the special case that is your sister and lashing out at anyone u see as similar to her because she never listened to you calling her out
Well...
Why are the comments so hostiletowards Freud?? It's not like he said it's a good thing to have fantasies about your parents😅
A five year old boy wouldnt typically have those fantasies though, the boy would have been too young to understand that. And the fact that Freud told this boy that was the case is traumatising for him
except he did, and they do. have you ever met a kid@@geogiiaa
Struggling to understand accent a times o-O
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Lycian: Lucien Freud
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Freud is the worst...
When Freud started working, women (and sometimes men) told him that their fathers (usually) had had sex with them and Freud did what people still do today when incest is reported - he disbelieved them. He didn't want to believe that highly respectable men in their expensive suits and top hats had committed those crimes so he betrayed his patients by creating a theory that the children had invented daydreams arising out of their wish to have sex with their parents. So I believe that the Oedipus complex is a huge deception and a betrayal of the victims of incest who wanted to tell him what had happened to them. Freud may also have been reluctant to believe these very distressing stories because of his situation as a Jew in an anti-Semitic world. He had seen his father often being forced off the pavement onto the road by respectable men who wanted to humiliate his father. Freud vowed that he would never step aside like his father had done but the Oedipus complex theory is exactly that - Freud being too intimidated by these racist and powerful people to face up to the truth of what his patients were telling him. And well he might have been afraid. Freud was able to escape to Britain during World War II - though there was anti-Semitism there, too - but his sisters were imprisoned in Auschwitz where they died. Freud was puzzled by the way he sometimes fainted when he met a highly respectable man. Very likely he searched among his theories of childhood trauma to explain it, but I think when he met those very respectable men, he knew instinctively what a thin veneer that respectability was. Antisemitism and racism weren't just German/Austrian problems. They were problems in most nations. In his autobiography, Hans Christian Anderson, that very nice man who wrote "The Little Match Girl" to encourage compassion towards the poor, wrote dismissively about a group of poor Jewish people he noticed on his travels. That kind of ugliness can be just below the surface of many a well-dressed person so Freud's fainting was probably an intuitive response to the kind of horror which later killed his sisters. Thus I don't blame Freud for recoiling from the stories of incest. They are after all absolutely appalling. However, I am glad that now people are more willing to listen respectfully to those who are the victims of domestic violence and to support them in having safe, healthy lives.
@@tracesprite6078 of course, it had to be anti-Semitism right? Certainly there was more reasoning to the Oedipus Complex than as a reason to dismiss cases of incest, adult humans have an sexual aversion to those they are closely related to, this is the brain's natural way of discouraging incest. Children, on the other hand, have not developed sexually and therefore do not understand sexual attraction, their only concept of love is that between a parent and a child, or that of a friend. Since children have no concept of sexuality in the way a mature person does, marriage, kissing, and other forms of affection are completely asexual. So when a child is 'in love' with they're mother, they are not sexually attracted the way an adult could be, rather they are displaying their emotions about they're mother who is, in a child's mind, the most important person, and therefore the most desirable emotionally. I believe the Oedipus Complex stems from these young children beginning to mature and develop sexually in their emotions. During this period (I would estimate between the ages of 5-10) male children start to understand what sex is and its purpose, yet they do not fully understand. As they begin to develop new ideas of attraction and love, the old ideas of mother-son love (which was the strongest emotional relationship they had until this point) will merge with the new ideas of sexual attraction and love. Through this merge, they see their mother, whom they have a strong love to, become not just an object of emotional love, but of sexual love too. These feelings die out as the child begins to undergo puberty and their sexuality develops into an adult sexuality, (based on the desire to breed rather than just emotional attachment.) and the Oedipus Complex dissolves. I would also suggest that some people do not develop in a healthy way and therefore, the Oedipus Complex remains intact. These people remain incestuous into their adult life.
@@tracesprite6078 He first reported to the community in a paper that people were being molested. The outrage was severe. He took some time off to think about it, coming to the second theory concerning the oedipus complex where the community was even more outraged.
to all the people in the comments who don’t believe in the oedpus complex , i hate to say this online but i have it . it’s real frauid is correct and shouldn’t be shamed for putting a name to it. I don’t get how people who don’t have an attraction to their other gendered parent , just say it isn’t a thing. like yes it is a thing it’s a very common thing as a girl our daddies are our first love and we forever search for him if that is interrupted.
it’s sort of like saying schizophrenia it doesn’t exist and that the discovery of that was wrong just because you don’t have schizophrenia or that schizophrenia makes you uncomfortable
Can't tell if you are a troll or not with all those frequent spelling errors and lack of capital letters. If you are serious, please read carefully what I'm writing here and maybe search some things up for yourself before you reply.
No, incestuous thoughts are just very rare, just go ahead and ask every child and adult to see how many are or were sexually attracted to their own parents and the reason why they were or weren't sexually attracted to their own parents. Also, not all people grew up with a parent of the opposite sex nor are romantically attracted to the opposite sex either.
Almost all people of all ages I had met have always been disgusted by incest for their own parents throughout their lives and have never any sexual nor romantic feelings towards them. There could be a natural reason people feel disgust by sexual feelings towards close relatives such as to avoid inbreeding which could lead to unfortunate consequences. Such phenomenon is called Westermarck effect were people are more likely to feel disgust of having sexual thoughts towards people who you grew up with a lot throughout your childhood.
What is common however is having a crush towards other unrelated people who do somewhat resembles their parents or older siblings but that's simply because they prefer the familiar traits that are similar to their parents or siblings but that doesn't mean they are attracted towards the siblings or parents themselves.
I don't deny that you maybe had a crush on your father growing up but just because anyone had one experience doesn't always mean it's common. In fact, it's interesting that you had that particular feeling growing up to you father. I'm curious to hear your explanation to why you had your crush on your own father. Even if it's not common as you believe, it still sounds just cute if you grew over it and not caused by any abuse. Most cases of one-sided non-abusive incestuous feelings from a child are often caused when the close family member are absent most of your early childhood such as only living with one parent during divorce or having one busy parent who travels a lot on business trips away from home. This also decrease the Westermarck effect which will in turn increase the risk of confusion for the child's sexual imprinting if the close family member is related but the child could grow out of it if the child continue meeting that relative at times or more before their adolescence. Freud himself for example, had a small crush on his own mother for a while which was likely because he was mostly raised by a wet nurse at early age rather than his own mother which was a common practice to leave a child to a wet nurse in richer families at his time.
While the possibility of a child having incestuous feelings for their parents aren't rejected by itself, only the idea that it's an universal phase of life that all people goes through that is rejected due to lack of actual scientific data other than a few isolated individual interviews such as this case of Little Hans. You need to collect at least thousands of interviews from different populations to determent how common it is in science. The more recent it is and more data you collect the more credibility it gets. It's also important to mention the unfortunate context behind Freud's creation of Oedipus Complex (other than his personal experience) as it was actually made to deny his previous Seduction Theory which documented on his many female patient's testimonies of their childhood traumas of actual sexual abuse from their fathers. After he published his report, he got threatened to get bankrupted by other rich men at the time who was actually sexually abusive towards their own children and got pissed off that Freud pointing out their sexual abuse so Freud was forced to reverse the narrative and start blaming the actual victims of child abuse as "they just fantasizing wanting to have sex with their father." just to reclaim his reputation. Freud had many hypothesis that got rejected in current times due to lack of actual scientific data other than just few very specific individual cases. One of his rejected controversial ideas was "Penis Envy" were ALL women thinks they were castrated by their parents as children and thus have anxiety for not possessing a penis. This idea is obviously not true to most women and did lack any bases at all during his time which was also made up due to his outdated political views on women at the time. Some individuals maybe had that particular experience but it's extremely rare too.
However just because there's something unusual and rare doesn't mean it's bad and it's okay if something isn't common so long it doesn't hurt you or others. After all, we all are equally unique in our own ways with many combinations of experiences no matter if it's common or unusual ;)
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