What If Stan Lee Created Batman?
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DC Comics and Marvel Comics are oft times referred to as the big 2. These two comic book juggernauts have produced many distinct superheroes, and for years shared a rivalry. At one period during the 2000s during a period of friendlier rivalry s collaboration was born. Stan Lee co creator of Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four, The X-Men and more was paired with prominent DC Artists to ask the question Just Imagine Stan Lee Created The DC Universe. Iconic DC heroes reimagined by Stan Lee. The first Just Imagine Stan Lee with Joe Kubert Created Batman. Just how does Stan Lee imagine Batman? How do Spider-Man, Luke Cage, and Bane factor in? Would you have preferred a world where this was the main Batman? Find out here on Casually Comics!
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Wait is this legally DC's or is it partially Marvel's?
So is it Dragon Ball Zed?
1:30 so the batfans an Bob have a lot in common, in particular.
"Because he is the Goddamn *batman* " meme.
11:00 well, that is a development.
I remember being vaguely disappointed that Stan’s Batman wasn’t bitten by a radioactive bat…
I feel that would make him a radioactive vampire.
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@@OtakuD50 Fantastic
I need to see this Batman meeting the cat masked Catwoman.
screw it just let a furry artist draw it
One of the beautiful things about Stan's writing in "Just Imagine," is that he DOES leave it open ended, he leaves Wayne with a flawed character and doesn't wrap everything up in a nice bow. The early marvels always left you wanting to read the next issue, there was never a clean out point. Even though Stan probably figured he'd never go back to these characters again, he left them with a place to explore, maybe if DC wanted to use them more in the future, or maybe because that is just how he writes.
This is hilariously close to The Count of Montecristo but with a guy in a shockingly realistic bat costume.
Dumas is kicking himself for not including the bat costume in the original work.
Well tbf, while Dante's never wore a Bat costume, the dude had like 10 different disguises, so it still matches pretty well
All classic books need a guy in a bat suit. How cool would it be if Oliver Twist had one?
Damn , I used Count Of Monte Cristo in My comment as well, now everyone will think I copied You …Maybe I should change mine too The Man In The Iron Mask Lol …Great Comparison 🖖🏾
Now i am thinking of the Count of montecristo musical...but with batman.
🎶i'll deliver bats to your doorstep!🎶
"why did you let him fall off the building?"
"Sorry... It was out of my... Hanz"
My favorite Just Imagine issue was Wonder Woman’s. Maria Mundoza looks so cool, and her origin is a good one. I hope that one day DC will bring her back.
YES! I swear, every time they reboot Wonder Woman, I wish they would just replace her with Stan's version. It was so much more interesting to me, and she had a life and perspective that most Wonder Woman writers never give to Diana.
Had the most interesting design for sure.
I read maybe half of "Just Imagine..." and Wonder Woman was definitely my favorite.
me too
When people say: "Why always Batman?" even Stan Lee wanted some Bat-money lol
Honestly I kind of like the Just imagine series. It's goofy and some stuff is outright ludicrous but that's part of the Charm.
I wish we could've gotten more like "Just Imagine Stan Lee created Crisis on Infinite Earths" or "Just Imagine Stan Lee created the Teen Titans".
At least we got Just Imagine Crisis!
How about 'Just imagine Stan Lee created the Joker'?
Stan Lee's Batman is like, "what if Batman... But a tech based Man-Bat?"
Also, I can't believe Stan Lee did "Batman in prison", before Zack Snyder.
You'd be surprised at the broad responses one can get when saying "Marvel's Batman." Characters like Nighthawk, Blackwing, Black Fox, Nosferata, and Rider are just the tip of the Iceberg.
You forgot Hawk Owl and Woody
Moon Knight ?
@@chrispambo1539 he’s not really “Marvel’s Batman”.
After Wally Wood left the series, they tried to make Daredevil into "Marvel's Batman." Although it didn't work. Daredevil was one those characters that passed through several different creators who really didn't know what to do with him. It took Frank Miller to finally realize Daredevil's potential.
Hot take: Marvel's Batman is The Green Goblin/ Norman Osborne
Stan Lee's Batman reminds me a little of how Batman was presented in THE BATMAN (initially, before he had his character development): a younger, newer Batman who isolates himself and is very much out for vengeance.
i love that letter by Stan Lee and how he pays respect to the original creation and all the people who made Batman Batman. Something I wish Hollywood did. They alsways seem like they're trying to "fix" the characters.
Something like established titles could make an interesting gag premise. Imagine Deadpool buying a plot of land and taunting Baron Zemo that they’re both technically the same rank.
Bob Kane: Do you know who I am? I'm Bob Kane! I created Batman!
Bill Finger (two tables over): THE HELL YOU DID, YOU HACK!
*Stan Lee slinks under the table*
Obviously a bat-themed cereal should be named "Guan-o's".
ROTFLMAO!
frosted chocolate flavor
"The night is dark..." get it? A Dark Night? Hehe I'll see myself out...
The most interesting thing to me about this take on Batman is that it very much feels like it is written as a pilot rather than a one--shot. Plenty of room is left for character development and future interactions with the supporting cast. It feels like Stan had launched so many series by this point that this was his unconscious style. I wonder whether the other books in this series read more like "First Issue Spectacular" than one-off homages or reimaginings.
1:26 The fact that he managed to embarrass Stan Lee, a notorious, Scooby-Doo level ham...
Also, what restaurant was that?? Do that just attract lords of the comic book pantheon?!
Some places will absolutely be a celebrity hotspot. Step 1: be where a bunch are. Step 2: Get some to visit. Step 3: Give them _amazing_ service. Step 4: Let them tell their friends and/or bring people for business and pleasure. Step 5: Profit.
I agree that this doesn´t seem like another version of Batman. Not from an Elseworld story. That being said, the comic is titled Just Imagine Stan Lee Creating the DC Universe. So, in that sense, he can do whatever he wanted as long as there were just enough references to the character being Batman.
I took it as a first story in an ongoing. The fleshing out of the character would have taken place in future issues.
It makes me think of the recent The Batman movie where Bruce is just looking for vengeance with no desire to enact charity. Maybe if this was an on going series he would’ve learned to be more philanthropic
If I recall, this wasn't a collaboration with Marvel, what happened was when Bill "Comics Should be More Like Baseball" Jemas was made president, he found the yearly stipend Lee was getting just because he's Stan Lee to be a waste of money and cut it. This was actually tied to him being exclusive to Marvel, so, being just about the most famous guy in comics and a free agent, he started fielding a lot of offers. He brought that divorced mom energy to DC, which even made Rolling Stone's annual Hot List issue as "Hot Defection".
"Don't pay Stan Lee's non-compete stipend" seems like the dumbest thing since... gods, it's Marvel.
This kind of reminds me of the Count of Monte Cristo but instead of buried treasure, his fortune comes from Pro Wrestling.
I still haven't lived long enough to hear one 0ersom saying something nice about Bob Kane.
Steranko punched him, Julius Schwartz asked him to fix a frame himself at DC to find out Kane paid a staff artist to do, he not only never credit Bill Finger or Jerry Robinson but made it written on his tomb the only person who helped him was god.
You never find anyone saying anything good about him. It is a sequence of stories of screwing people over or just being an ass for no reason.
I'd love to read a follow-up story about Wayne waking up the next day and coming to terms with his primary motivation in life (vengeful) now being over.
Heck, maybe revisit his earlier "might be better if I just join a gang" thought but in a more positive but still flawed Batman Incorporated way...
Luke Cage had the same problem when he finally caught (IDK) who got him sent to prison.
Stan Lee's Batman is actually my favorite character, with Wonder Woman second because she looked so absolutely delicious.
His Batman was definitely a nice reinterpretation of traditional Batman tropes. Not sure I ever thought of him as a Spider-Man/Bane mashup. I just saw him as Mexican wrestler Blue Demon in grey with a more interesting mask.
I think the "handz no feet" on the jacket means that the gang fights and never runs away. Kind of like that line in 300 "Return with your shield, or upon it." But that's just my take.
Stan interviewed Bob Kane on his cable access show in the 1970's and it's great to see how smoothly Stan is able to handle Kane while Kane tries to recite his resume on an endless loop !
Wasn't Kane's resume just "I created Batman" over and over again, because that's really the only thing he had.
I can understand how this version of Batman could get confused with Man-Bat
Manbatman
So is Batman still a celebrity wrestler, or did he get kicked out of the profession for killing a crime lord? That'd be a fascinating concept to explore in a proper series.
Wrestling has undead sorcerers necromancer zombies who are the grim reapers this is normal for them
He shows up in Stan Lee's JL. He was never arrested for the murder. He lives in a mansion and even has a Batcopter now. The JL one was really good. Probably the best one out of all the Just Imagine comics.
I wish we could see a what if of DC versions of Marvel characters.
You know their take on Logan/Wolverine would be epic
@@Jessidafennecfox They already have Timberwolf which inspired Wolverine
I would think at least DC Earth Two Golden Age characters of Tarantula (Spider Man) Robotman (Iron Man) the Shining Knight (Thor) Neptune Perkins (the Sub-Mariner).
They already did that. A few years ago around rebirth they did "new age of heroes" The did slider which was spiderman, Damage which was the hulk, a group of immortals which was the x-men, and a Dr. Strange defenders ripoff. They even did the Terrifics which was a ripoff of the Fantastic four.
@@Jessidafennecfox He is... His name is Lobo.
Batman be looking like Man Bat
Also, a little Falcon deal since he bonded with a flying predator that he took as his symbol.
I would probably do a mutate or a werebat for Batman, the werebat could be akin to the hulk, go against evil by just being there, but a huge flying bat instead of a green rage machine. Knowing me I would probably for the exercise call him Wayne Bruce, and have the villain simply called Strange, a hunchback named Hugo Victor.
I’m Feeling more Count Of Monte Cristo than Batman…As You stated the Bat in the window was the closes homage to the OG Batman…The Costume is Definitely more Man-Bat than Batman, but it grew on Me…Spider-Man, Bane, Luke Cage , & a Little Tony Stark…Stan The Man Lee R. I.P Comic Book Creator Through & Through…Back To Back Days of CC videos ✊🏾 Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
I always thought if Batman really did want to scare criminals, he should have dressed up more like a realistic bat. Those things are creepy as hell. In fact, when I was a kid, I created my own revised version of Batman where he looked closer to Man-Bat. Although this was meant to be a costume and not a genetic mutation.
He did seem impressed with Man Bat's appearance when they first met and he still thought it was a costume- maybe he was going to change it in that split second but didn't out of respect.
I think what the thing they were going for with Nita was The Dulcinea Effect, but I could definitely see it being viewed from a different perspective as a revolving door of abuse.
I like when creators get unique with their interpretations. I feel like Stan Lee did great with this. Even if the story is not perfect, so many creators stick too close to the mold that I'd rather see a creator branch out and fail a little than make another generic story
I could see an interesting journey for this character, following up on the "what now" question, exploring how he grows into that less self-centered world view that they only hint at.
I like how he killed Hands by kicking him off the roof.
No feet!!
I get a bit of Dracula vibe off of this. The Bat theme, the wings are like a cape, Wayne like Dracula has money, a mansion, and a mustache. Plus the love interest is Nina, just like Mina… I see Stan loves to work the universal monsters and his superheroes
One thing I loved about the 90-early 00's was this stuff.
You had brand crossovers galor.
Hell who in their right mind ever pictured amalgam comics becoming a reality?
Very nice. Didn't like the character as a bat themed hero as well but it was definitely an interesting take.
Always looking forward to these videos
Bob Kane was so self centered. And he wasn’t even the main brilliance behind Bob Kane. Bill Finger was the real star. Bob was important, but Bill had the best ideas.
Yeah, Bob got away with claiming all the credit for far too long.
i love most of stan less DC stuff
i still feel weakest is take on superman
but for batman stuff i love the outfit and this take
i would love a else world story where bruce and wayna meet and team up
I hope you keep going with Just Imagine, mostly because their Flash is unironically my favorite version.
This was great. I need to see how Stan interpreted DC heroes
7:28 I think that jacket is supposed to be him embracing his kink
Unfortunately, Kane and Finger were trying to come up with a follow up character to Superman and did so before really thinking out the rationale for the costume. It still is based on the circus strongman tights and trunks idea, plus a cape. The whole terrifying bit was fleshed out later as a concept, but the costume was already done. Stan actually starts with the concept and comes up with a costume that's fitting. I think it should have been colored differently though. They've made some great costumes for the movie adaptations, but they're still just Batman costumes, some more practical than others, but none that are terrifying.
13:15 Look, Ma,no Handz!
Loved all the Just Imagine Stan Lee created the DC universe characters and wished DC had did more with these characters .
They still exist in the DC universe.
He seems more like Inigo Montoya than anyone else- a man so desperate for revenge that he has no idea of what to do once he gets it.
The Just Imagine Stan Lee created the Green Lantern and The Flash are my favorite
Can you please do a whole series on the just imagine line
I think it's fitting that Batman defeats Handz using his feet. Also, it makes the jacket make sense in hindsight: After being defeated by the feet, Handz screams no. Handz. No. Feet.
Nita and Bats relationship is not good but I definitely love the very Bane type feeling to his character
I've read this when it was released but never noticed the similarities it has with Count of Monte Cristo till now
He spent months trying to catch Handz.
It's a shame this idea didn't crop up 25 years earlier. You could have had Kirby's Batman.
Must this blessing shield you from the wrath of the Holy Ones & Zeros.
10:35 In a lot of ways, this feels like Stan trying to do Spider-Man with another few decades of experience, since Spider-Man is seen as peer-level to Batman-the-science-hero and Batman-the-tragic-savior the way Cap is to Batman-the-fighter and Batman-the-moralist.
Been curious about this universe since I first heard of it. Not sure how much I like this version of Batman, but the concept itself is cool and I’m hoping to see more ‘Just Imagine’ character videos
I have to agree that the costume looks great. When clicked on this video I thought it was about a man who was turned into a literal bat. The idea of reimagining Bane is so cool. Start a life with people who love him and not driven as much to conquer to survive. I add that he saved people to anger hands or need something from the people he saved. Then he could from the people I save will owe me to enjoy helping others and lessen my anger.
Always love your voices. Keep up the great work Sacha
I remenber this comic. For some reason this Batman remind me Wildcat. Probably the furry suit.
Wildcat is underrated.
Having that fight with Handz be on the balcony so he could end up going over the edge was a bit handy, wasn't it? I'll get my coat.
I read all of these when they came out, and let's just say I found the writing a bit dated. Although the Wonder Woman and Flash versions were both rather appealing characters. And the backup story in the Green Lantern one - a police detective wondering if there is still a place for people like him in a superpowered world, and getting an answer he didn't expect - was utterly brilliant. Because it's heart was totally in the right place.
But watching this, it comes over as being stronger than I remembered. I would have read a series. Because it would have said Batman on the cover. Gotta have my Bat books, man!
not Wayne wearing a terrifyingly realistic bat fursuit as his Batman costume 😭
I could go for a comic about a man, and his little bat friend. They could go on fun adventures, and make friends along the way.
Colour with a U is my favourite way to write colour tho with my learning disability these were definitely hard words to learn to pronounce right as I would say them like Hour or Our. "Honey, put down the crayons; it's time for dinner." "1 zecond, mommy, I need to callower this t-rex in fah-urst." 🤣
13:40 Court case. It can be presumed all people involved in the case would be on a ton of paperwork and in court and etc. Any witness not in protection for a convict can be presumed to be someone he knows the name of.
Great video! The realistic bat mask reminds me a lot of the one worn by the eponymous villain from the 1926 movie 'The Bat', which itself was one of the many inspirations that Bob Kane and Bill Finger drew from when they created Batman.
Not sure if you toutched the comics with Dark Claw yet. That weird DC Marvel mashup universe where Batman and Wolverine is combinded as Dark Claw but also Bruce Wayne and Nick Fury combined are also a thing.
I would’ve loved to see this as an in going series, maybe the lesson would be him learning how to be philanthropic now that he already enacted his revenge. It’s just like The Batman movie that came out this year
I feel the greatest strenght of this story is the imagery, the way it uses the symbols is great, but, yeah, the writing itself isn't that good (even if Williams saved people, his actions seem more selfish than anything) and it's clear Nita is just there to be the designated (probable) love interest.
Have you done any episodes on the Amalgam comics? They are some of my favorites
First day of university. It's midnight, here I am watching CC instead of homework.
Let's be honest it was just a one shot and in Batman's first story he wasn't that complex. This works as a first issue (keeping in mind who wrote it and when.). It doesn't stink the place up and has room to improve and grow. I liked it because it had an El Santo movie vibe about it more than an Arnold film vibe. Like you said maybe this is how Stan Lee sees Batman. Some of the comic feels as if they edited stuff out but didn't fix the hole(s) it created a la Nita. Great work as always.
6:47 "Foxy? It's 2001". I don't know if you've noticed, but Stan Lee was kind of stuck in the '60s/'70s.
Let's see how hip with the kids you are when you're pushing 80.
I'd love a video on Tangent Comics
I imagine Nita would have eventually become that Catwoman to take down Batman yet be into Wayne????? As for the issue of Robin, not a godamn clue.
Surprised that the most obvious inspiration doesn't get brought up: Ted Grant/Wildcat. Ted is also a fighter in a realistic fur suit who also fights crime, has a more hard boiled attitude and his origin also involves losing his loved ones and being framed for a crime he wasn't involved in.
Stan Lee writing for DC. I distinctly remember when this was announced. I never did pick any of the books up but only because back then I never bought comics at all. I use to just read wikis on characters I liked. It was a habit carried over from when I was a kid and rarely had money so I use to follow story archs in the occasional Wizard price guide magazine. (even when I started working it just didn't occur to me just go out and buy books as they were happening for a long time)
Still. Hardly ever hear about these books anymore. Since it happened, I've only seen one other video on it earlier this year.
Did you say, it felt like "a blip" - ha! Like the MCU's The Blip.
Great review Sasha, I have been curious about the “Just Imagine” Earth (In my Harry’s DC Multiverse Earth L For Lee or Lieber…the Home to all Just Imagine AND 70s Atlas Comics characters.👍) I loved this series by Stan and felt this was a fresh take on the characters (Superman, Flash, ect ect.) They even had there own COIE event.
This reminds me of old _Scary-go-round_ web comics, where Ryan has "Friend-Bat" as a kind of pet.
Well, that was interesting. I think it would have been a really good Bane story
The artwork in this story is so great.
The only thing I remember from this series was being in the comic book shop and a sign under the display said "Jack Kirby had all the ideas"
It would be funny if Hands came back as this batman his joker named "Jazz Hands"
11:42 We need a crossover song for Stan Lee's Batman by Lordi
He was born in the shadows. Molded by it!
Also I love when you use quotes for days... lol
I never collected this series. Once I learned that Lee would not be doing his interpretation of the established characters and just do brand new takes, I was out. I wanted to see what he would do with Clark Kent, Bruce and Dick, and so on.
Great video. I have a suggestion for a future topic based upon Sasha's comments roughly between the 13:06 - 13:25 point of this video. I have seen old pictures of Batman pointing a gun at gangster's heads and all but assuring them that either they'd open the safe or he' d open their head--that kind of thing our long-held tradition of Batman would never do .even as a bluff then---how he disdains the guns he is otherwise by necessity of trade a trained expert on--alla the classic foreshadowing on Jason Todd when he discovers Batman's armory of every advanced gun in the world--and how Batman explicitly states his creed about them--and killing in anyway--but the idea is its a 'seed" of fascination toward the ultimate fate of Red Hood.
I like that he is very clearly not a perfect hero, of your creating what would theoretically be a long running character, it's good to have a clear arc you want to take the character on.
I don't understand why DC hasn't done more with these characters. DC ownS them right? Why not bring them back as DC's modern answer to the ultimate universe?
It was one of the 52 worlds created during 52.
The only time I liked when someone said “Do you know who I am?” Is when it was Huntress in the Birds of Prey movie.
That gag and Black Canary were among the ONLY things I liked about the movie at all, but yes, lol.
I like the idea behind this version of Batman and some of the executed elements. I love the more realistic costume when it's framed in a more gothic/dramatic light. When Williams is just walking around the costume looks really silly. I would've loved to read more of Lee's Batman. My only gripe is that I think the more the series would've gone on the less it would feel like "Batman" and instead become more of an original character.
I like that it looks silly in the proper context. That actually applies to Bruce as well. We all have a scene in mind where Batman was forced into a situation while dressed as Batman that a man dressed as Batman does not belong in. Batmarriage. Batfuneral. Batceremony. Batdance. Batparty. Batbabysitting. Batdad. Batauction. Batman in places he doesn't belong is pretty much a canon meme. But it fits his character because he wants to strike fear in the hearts of evil. When he's Batmanning, he's going to make them wish they brought their brown pants. But if he, say, needs to comfort a kid, he can turn into a mascot instantly. He's famous _as_ a mascot. Imagine if when you were a kid you were kidnapped and The Undertaker burst in with full Undertaker theatrics and somehow did the rise from the dead thing after being shot, beat all the kidnappers, and saved you. Yeah, the crooks would be _terrified_ but you the child would be very comforted by this. Now imagine Taker eating a burger. Hilarious, because he's The Undertaker. Same concept as this Batsuit. This is what makes the comedy of the suit work: it serves as half of what preserves his ability to hypothetically comfort a crying child. That's important for Batman.
The batman, Bane, and this guy all remined me of the count of Monte Cristo.
"Don't pseudo Iron Man it. up! Don't do it." 😂🤣
With a bit of refinement this could make for an interesting ongoing though I think Wayne would have a hard time saving kids with that costume.
Umm, this is off topic, but I'd really like to see your Joker painting in the background. Kinda looks like Heath Ledger's Joker in a Van Gogh impressionistic style ☺️