I never really minded the part where Ravenpaw was a smug jerk. I always saw it as him putting on a show for Tigerclaw as a coping mechanism for his anxiety. "If I act tough, he'll be proud of me, he won't yell, and I'll just cry in my nest later tonight" sort of thing.
I always saw it as him having a different personality before Sunningrocks. He admired Tigerclaw, he wanted to be like him, he got sucked into the same toadiness that Longtail and Darkstripe did. But then what he saw at Sunningrocks, and the resulting threats, shattered his faith and turned him into a shaking mess. He was never bad, he was just under a spell, and seeing that broke it. After that, Tigerclaw completely changed towards him.
@@fozzyspots I think the issue is just an accidental continuity error on his personality (Redtail's Debt just loves its continuity errors lol). One of the other books (I think it was Bluestar's Prophecy) says he's always been timid.
I'd really love a talking/mini-talking about Brambleberry. She's a character that stands out to me for being one of the very few characters that didn't use or dislike Crookedstar in some way, as well as being the only good mother figure he had- including or excluding Mapleshade, depending on if you see her as toxically motherly or not.
So I just finished reading Redtail‘s Debt in German (Rotschweifs Schuld) and I came to the realization that in this translation, Oakheart is not killed by Redtail, but by the rocks, as described in the forest of secrets.
The German version is the best. I like that they justified the name change to stripestar by saying that it was very cruel for crookedstar to have a name that gave him pain. I like it
@@lj2659 Oh not German but in the Norwegian translation Runningnose is Snuffsepus= Snifflekitty which is very cute. Also apparently in Portuguese Snowkit = Little snowball also adorable.
@@genderlessjellyfish Seriously if Firestar didn't let in loners and kittypets the gene pool would be beyond cooked. We gotta start thanking all those cats with forbidden loves in other clans 😂
If I had a nickel for every time Tigerclaw acquired an unconditional simp in the form of a younger warrior who looks up to him, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened Darkstripe.
Runningwind (and Runningnose by association) will never be fair from my thought process. They short of explained Runningnose's name but Runningwind will always amuse me. What? Did he come running out of the womb?
would kill for a mudclaw video. hes such an interesting character and his storyline has the clearest ties to shakespeares literature, being the tragedy of julius caesar
I'm four minutes in and will delete if I am proven wrong by you bringing this up later but there is one other place Redtail appears as an adult: in the very very end of Bluestar's Prophecy, which is also what confirmed Ravenpaw's personality pre-murder. He was a senior and wise deputy at that point in time which is frankly the only thing I know for sure about this guy.
I read over that but it was pretty meaningless as far as implying any actual personality imo. As far as ravenpaw, if or not it makes sense was kinda not the point so much as the fandom's reaction to it.
@@Moonkitti Entirely fair. With how little we knew about the guy at every point before this, Bluestar's Prophecy's tiny scene was all I personally had to go on for a while as far as "what is this guy like in life" information up until 2019 (and actually past it because I don't find much independent characterization in his novella either).
i've always kind of loved how he's written in redtail's debt ngl. he seems like such a people pleaser-type and seeing that being his downfall was kind of neat. i know it's pretty common for warriors characters to be like that but there's something about how he's written there that makes me appreciate the story a bit more, even if it's got some issues lol
PLEASE talk about Shellheart, Crookedstar’s father!! I love him so much and I think how him and his former mate broke up is so interesting because they never really have cat parents who “break up”. I adore how kind he is as a father to his son and he’s a super underrated character!
That would be cool! I sometimes am not sure what to feel about characters at the start of a book but when shellheart was like "rainflower if you keep being mean to our son im gonna dump your butt" and then he did i was like "oh yeah. this is a good one."
I would love to see a video on Purdy! I love that silly old man and he's one of the only wc characters allowed to be chronically unserious which I appreciate ❤
I'd love to see some background on Purdy. I'd love to know if peak Purdy was as badass as he makes himself out to be. Certainly it's exaggerated but by how much? He's certainly competent when it comes to danger.
Needletail is a really interesting avos character! Her relationship with rain, and helping darktail even though he was proven to be awful is cool. Also her sister like friendship with violetshine is unique. So if you could do a character, I'd love her
I LOVE when people include that in their fanfics. there's this one amazing fanfic called interpolation that has firestar reincarnated as a she-kit back before into the wild properly begins (there's hints of trans girl firestar with how he reacts) and the author made redtail and runningwind the dads of sandkit and rowankit (firestars new identity) and its SO cute
i always shipped redtail and runningwind for no reason at all and always portrayed them both as sandkit’s father so i love seeing other people incorporating that as well!! :)
A talking video about Mousewhisker would be pretty neat. He's kind of a background character but has that weird little flirtation and plot point with that RiverClan cat. He'd be a neat character for a mini-talking.
I always thought that Sol was infertile as a male tortie, because of that one queen who asked if her kits were Sol's said dreamingly that "she'd wished" as if she maybe tried to have kits with him but it didn't work.
I jumped out of pure shock, I was not expecting RedTail content out of Moonkitti today. I honestly feel t like they could have done a lot more with my baby boy. The biggest loss I feel warriors had was not making RedTail FireStar's spiritual guide. They could have completely taken out Spottedleaf's weird deal with FireStar and given my poor little baby boy more lines in. RedTail could have given a lot more help instead of just... being there, giving out prophecies and smelling good, he could have told FireStar a little more about TigerClaw and ThunderClan in general. Spottedleaf doesn't do much as a spiritual guide anyways, replacing her wouldn't change much and it would give a little bit more character to major- minor characters like RedTail. (I have now realized that this point is very flawed and would interfere with very important plot points) (what I meant was to just have RedTail as a more prevelant StarClan cat, have him as a real guy, since you can't really remove him.) Anywho my RedTail rant ends around here, if any of yall have any particular RedTail headcannons that you would like to launch out there, feel free to answer to this comment with it :3. Im freeeeee 🦅🦅🦅 (moonkitti thank you so much for talking about my sweet dead baby boy)
Seeing as Fireheart didn't really know Redtail, I would be disappointed with this change. Regardless of how odd later Spottedleaf and Firestar interactions are, I would never stand for a largely irrelevant male character replacing the important role of a female character had I known it happened.
@@MoonkittiI thought about it for like 3 seconds and, yeah your point makes a lot more sense. Its been awhile since I've actually sat down to read Warriors and not touching one of those books wacks up my memory of the books themselves. Thank you Moonkitti for your input, I grately apreciate it
I'd love to see a mini talking video about Morningflower and Gorsepaw! I love how Fireheart carries him across the road and from then on he's like Gorsepaw's little hero, Morningflower tells her son about how he saved his life Firestar basically winks at him at Gatherings and they're all so friendly with each other that someone like Tigerstar notices, because he knows that killing Gorsepaw will get under Firestar's skin. Then Morningflower's ferocity when fighting BloodClan is essentially in her son's name it's very sad and made me feel a lot of emotions even as a young kid reading, so I'd love to hear you talk about them both in one video since neither of them have much of a character on their own and their significance to Firestar's story is undeniable
video 1 of asking for a mini-talk about Crowfrost or Snowbird. I really loved Crowfrost’s character as well as Snowbird’s, mainly from OOTS & AVOS arcs!
19:34 there are actually quite a few male torties! some of them are just not described as torties (they're just described as black and red or some variation of that) described as torties: Fircone, Scraps, Robinwing (riverclan, he's also a diluted tortie i thunk) described as ginger-black: Dangling Leaf, Ripplestar, Patch Pelt, Snipe, Flickerkit, Patchkit pale ginger & gray: Patch (ravenpaw's farewell) there are also a bunch of toms that are black-brown, ginger-brown and gray-brown but im not sure which ones can be considered tortoiseshell since i dont know much about cat biology
I'm not sure black-brown and gray-brown are actually possible, at least a spot pattern way. the genes for black and orange are co dominant. but black is dominant over brown. are grey is the diluted version of black, which is controlled by a different gene
@ so is brown a separate gene? Or is it black? Or ginger? Cuz I saw that brown tabbies are called black tabbies but diluted black is grey? I’m really curious about this fur color and Google didn’t help with my confusion
@@ee8002You talking about Black tabby? It basically brown cat with black tabby though people probably mistaken as actual black-black tabby. If you see a brown cat with no black but instead brown, it call chocolate tabby
Headcannon: Since in real life the son of a ginger female can only be ginger, cat genetics re-enforces Nightheart as a trans allegory. He pins his lack of comfort with his name on relation to firestar, but the reason he harps so much on not being orange is that he’s subliminally jealous of the concept of having a fur color that matches his gender identity.
Honestly I’d really love a talking on Shadowsight and just how his time during the arc is just “what if bad things kept happening to this teenager and also every grown man wanted to kill him” except he’s a cat
A talking about redtail??coooool Btw,could you talk about segdewhisker?theres a lot of things that happend to her along the series that the autors seems to forget about. For exemple: -She was cannonized as a half-clan cat by the Blogclan(her father,a river clan cat,disseapeared in the middle of oots,if im not wrong) -she was one of the kits that was saved by jay,lion and the windclan apprentices. -She was the kit that told to windclan about the tunels(She literally stated a war between all the clans lol) -she was one of the cats to be in the quest in the fourth apprentice,whith all the cats there had a history whith half-clan relation ships. She was totally forgoted until bc where she was an ALLY to the impostor,besides being a half-clan cat (maybe she dont know about?). I think theres a lot of implications on her that are very interesting,mainly her relationships whith half-clan cats and mates. Anyway,good video,i love redtail.
I remember being young and watching TribbleofDoom's Warriors content at the time. They drew Redtail as white with red and brown patches and this inspired how I drew him for so many years. I was so attached to this idea but now I can only see him as black / very dark brown with red patches. It's interesting to see what 12 year old me and now 27 year old me saw Redtail as, I remember attaching myself to this character a lot and I can't even give a good reason why.
I would really like to see a video on Shrewtooth at some point in the future! I’m re-reading all the SkyClan books right now, and I always thought it was weird how he has such a prominent role in Skyclan’s Destiny, and he has such a fleshed-out personality and character arc compared to most other background characters (in my opinion), but then he just completely disappears from the books without any explanation! Before I read Hawkwing’s Journey, I assumed Darktail had killed him in that book and that’s why he’s not in A Vision of Shadows, but he’s never even mentioned there or anywhere else past SkyClan and the Stranger!
I was really hoping for a Redtail cameo when Ravenpaw dies in Ravenpaw's farwell. I headcannon maybe Ravenpaw felt bad that he couldn't avenge Redtail himself and that maybe the Warrior would resent saving his life because Ravenpaw left the clans to live in the barn. I thought maybe Redtail could say he doesn't hate Ravenpaw and them maybe sharing tongues before Ravenpaw rejects Starclan as he waits for Barley
19:08 funfact btw, NONE of Millie and Graystripe's kits are genetically accurate lol. A VERY basic explanation: for a cat to be gray, it needs to have two pairs of the dilute gene and the black X chromosome thing (for Millie, both of her X chromosomes have to be black), since the dilution gene is recessive, it means both Millie and Graystripe can only pass down dilution and black genes, thus only having gray kits. And before someone ask me about Bumblestripe (since he's technically gray)? He's not gray, he's silver, aka he's basically white with black stripes, and for this to be possible he would have to have inherited a gene called Inhibitor from at least one of his parents... The problem is that said gene is dominant and cannot be carried... Soooooo yeah, if you want to have a silver kitten, the parent HAS to be silver. But anyway, their designs are fun
I love these discussion videos that keep me updated on the various novellas that have come out. I've stopped reading the books since the beginning of dawn of the clans but I love the fandom
"Redtail's debt" more like Redtail's dead hahahahahahahahahahahahaha It's a weird retcon but I think I kind of see what they were going for with Ravenpaw being more bloodthirsty? It's like a parallel to Redtail's behavior earlier in the book - he admires Tigerclaw throughout his apprentice years, then he sees Ravenpaw doing the same thing & recognizes how dangerous that kind of blind admiration is. That said I don't remember if the book ever makes that parallel explicit and if it was intentional I think it probably needed a bit more time to develop. There's also an interesting (possibly unintentional) idea in how passive Redtail is - I could see it as something similar to Grey Wing & Clear Sky, where he overlooks a bunch of red flags because he doesn't want to rock the boat or have to face the fact that someone he admires just isn't a good person. I like the idea of a character who refuses to take action to stop somebody they know is dangerous until it's too late, but I'm not sure if it was intentional or just normal warrior cats protagonist writing. anyway 23:35 tag yourself i was a brown redtail truther
I would really love a mini-talk about Thrushpelt. He was the father who stepped up to Bluefur's kits and I love how he trestes thise kits as his own and stayed good friends with Bluestar all of his life.
Okay, cat genetics are crazy. So yes there are only red and black, but they also have black mutations, chocolate and cinnamon, on top of that they have dilutes as well blue for black, cream for red, lilac for chocolate, and fawn for cinnamon. Then you also have pointed and dilute modifers which caramelizes blue, lilac, and fawn and makes cream apricot.
I’d honestly love to see a Reedshine video. Something I find interesting is that even though she has a pretty big role in MV she doesn’t get discussed nearly as much as other characters like Appledusk or Frecklewish, & the little discussion I have seen of her has been pretty negative. She also seems to get a lot of hate for things that were Appledusk’s fault. Definitely imo a very interesting & underrated character.
Hey Moonkitti! Can you do a Talking video on Queen Coral from Wings of fire for a change? I’ve always seen her as a clear villain, (what with her tyranny and abusive behaviors and all) but not everyone in the community seems to. If you do want to talk about her specifically, I would also love to see talking videos about other Wings of Fire characters. (Video 3 of asking)
I think you should talk about princess I’ve always thought the fact she gave her child to the clan was weird like I understand where she was coming from but she basically sent her child to a dangerous cult and if she like didn’t know how scary it was then was Firestar lying about clan life or something because in the series mothers are always super protective of their kits it seems strange but maybe I just read the books wrong or sumthing I do be dense
I think the most popular depiction of Redtail being a red and black calico comes from SSSwarriorcats In my mind, Redtail has always looked like how they depict him because I watched it even before I read the books
YES MY CHILD GOT A TALKING VIDEO (also I’m not sure if you have already done a spottedleaf one, I haven’t checked if you even allow her, but I say Spottedleaf. Make one for spottedleaf./nf)
Hey Moonkitti I was wondering if you could do a sorreltail talking video? I think she’s quite interesting bc she loses her mother, siblings, and two of her kits all in one series? (Except for honey fern) also there’s a reoccurring theme of being killed by badgers - even cinderpelt was killed by a badger during her kitting....
Video 5 of asking : Please do a talking/mini talking on spiderleg! His relationship with Daisy was quite interesting, and his retconned age towards the end of Oots! There is a lot to talk about with him since he was alive for a long time.
I miss when cats died more often and there were less cats. Made the cats that were never talked about that much more interesting because they were the one or two cats never talked about.
The idea that Ravenpaw was all about fighting and being a warrior until he actually witnessed death is not an uncommon trope, but it’s definitely one that makes sense Also, what about the major mistake made by squirrelflight Hope which says yeah we chose leaf pools kits and not even all of them which ultimately implies they set everything in PO3 and OOTS up just to torment squirrelflight Mothflight: we only choose Leafpools kits that is literally the only reason they’re special Me: you little hairball if you hate the existence of medicine cat born kittens so much why did you choose them? Why did you not vote against them? Sigh sorry!
How about a taliking video about Nettlebreeze? Hes kinda an obscure character you see in Novellas but he has a lot of interesting scenes and moments for whenever he's around
Theres this one TH-camr that made the genetics work and its fascinating Also something I headcanon cause I think is cute and I don't know where else I can talk about it Is that Graystripe was raised by siblings, he was raised by mom and uncle/ dad and aunt The other parent just wasn't there to raise Graystripe so the parent's siblings stepped up
When the Erins use the term "chimera", they are referring to the torties who have half-black or half-ginger face. These are not chimeras, but regular torties. However, the common misconception is that they and only they are chimeras, which the Erins are using. Moonpaw is not a real chimera.
Talking about acknowledgement of kin in Warrior Cats: re-reading Dark River was a trip since the three being related to Tigerstar's kin was both super focused on and also completely written off. Hollypaw spends forever worrying about one day fighting her newborn cousins in ShadowClan and also worries about her friendship with Willowpaw in RiverClan - absolutely no consideration of Mothwing, her relative in RiverClan. She spends days there and never once thinks about it. Lionpaw is training with Hawkfrost and Tigerstar and never once asks them about Brambleclaw or how Hawkfrost died - which Lionpaw spent a lot of time in the previous book wondering about. I wish they were a little more consistent. Just a little.
If I had a nickel for every writing inconsistency or complete contradiction because the authors seem to not even read their own content I would be living in a goddamn mansion
Man oh man these retcons. Even the authors cant keep track. redtail seems like he has a crush on tigerclaw, but theyre related? The rocks thing? I love this series, but it's messier that Crowfeather's love life.
In regards of cat genes only the red gene is caried by the X-chromosom. Red is also a dominant gene, which is why you usually only have either 'red' or 'black' male cats. (There are other genes that can alternate the colours but that's not the point right now) There's also a BUNCH of videos creating genetically acurat warrior cats.
@NitroIndigo yes they are! Cats only have red or black as colour genes, and multiple possible genes that effect how these colours are presented. White is also controlled by multiple different genes. There are some great videos here on TH-cam that explain those genes in detail.
Does anyone think its kind of hilarious that Redtail was Bluestar's deputy for "many moons", them she goes through like 3 in the span of like 2 months, and then dies. Wild.
I’ve never read Redtail’s Debt so the reveal that Tigerclaw was basically FLIRTING with him for a second is absolutely destroying me
The entire book fucking destroyed me 😂😭 especially the ending
HE WHAT
The kind of boys humor u woulfnt expect from tigerbro
new ship❤️ not taking any criticism!! edit: i wrote this before watching the whole video THSI IS A JOKE BY THE WAY
i know next to nothing about warrior cats but im here to say i love the mr krabs pfp lol
I never really minded the part where Ravenpaw was a smug jerk. I always saw it as him putting on a show for Tigerclaw as a coping mechanism for his anxiety. "If I act tough, he'll be proud of me, he won't yell, and I'll just cry in my nest later tonight" sort of thing.
I always saw it as him having a different personality before Sunningrocks. He admired Tigerclaw, he wanted to be like him, he got sucked into the same toadiness that Longtail and Darkstripe did. But then what he saw at Sunningrocks, and the resulting threats, shattered his faith and turned him into a shaking mess. He was never bad, he was just under a spell, and seeing that broke it. After that, Tigerclaw completely changed towards him.
@fozzyspots that makes sense too. I think it's one of the weakest complaints about his book, to be honest.
@@fozzyspots I think the issue is just an accidental continuity error on his personality (Redtail's Debt just loves its continuity errors lol). One of the other books (I think it was Bluestar's Prophecy) says he's always been timid.
I don’t remember him being a smug jerk?🤨
his tail sure is red
or is it blue... hmm...
I was sure it was green :|
@@Marballs- that might just be a mandela effect, though many theorize it was originally green but was changed in reprints to yellow
Wait! Wasn’t it purple?
Nah it was *saturated*
As Bluestar once said: don't die Redtail
Redtail proceeded to disregard
I'd really love a talking/mini-talking about Brambleberry. She's a character that stands out to me for being one of the very few characters that didn't use or dislike Crookedstar in some way, as well as being the only good mother figure he had- including or excluding Mapleshade, depending on if you see her as toxically motherly or not.
Yes brambleberry is amazing
I agree
Her name is lovely as well. She's totally Crookedstar's mom bc Rainflower doesn't deserve him.
THIS!
@@falcon_arkaig I adore her name her name is in my top 10 fav names along with sandstorm and others
So I just finished reading Redtail‘s Debt in German (Rotschweifs Schuld) and I came to the realization that in this translation, Oakheart is not killed by Redtail, but by the rocks, as described in the forest of secrets.
Wiedermal hat die deutsche Übersetzung es gerichtet, gut zu wissen ^^
The German version is the best. I like that they justified the name change to stripestar by saying that it was very cruel for crookedstar to have a name that gave him pain. I like it
@@Sam-ow9fethats very interesting!! What other important things does the german version change?
@@lj2659 I'm not really sure, but the German version is pretty good, as well as the models from the Russia wiki
@@lj2659 Oh not German but in the Norwegian translation Runningnose is Snuffsepus= Snifflekitty which is very cute.
Also apparently in Portuguese Snowkit = Little snowball also adorable.
"oh tigerclaw flirting with redtail? that would make a funny crackship"
"tigerclaw is redtail's nephew"
O H
Tbh everybody is related in warriors
@@genderlessjellyfishFR
@@genderlessjellyfish Seriously if Firestar didn't let in loners and kittypets the gene pool would be beyond cooked. We gotta start thanking all those cats with forbidden loves in other clans 😂
Literally my thought process
Dust and Fern be like
If I had a nickel for every time Tigerclaw acquired an unconditional simp in the form of a younger warrior who looks up to him, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened Darkstripe.
3*
Also Longtail idolized Tigerclaw BEFORE Tigerclaw’s betrayal was revealed
Hot take: I have thought more about Runningwind in the last twenty years than I have Redtail.
runningwind georg
Runningwind (and Runningnose by association) will never be fair from my thought process. They short of explained Runningnose's name but Runningwind will always amuse me. What? Did he come running out of the womb?
@@octaviablackthorn9 Considering how quickly kits in this series are play fighting and speaking full sentences, probably.
I actually cried when Runningwind died 😭
@@octaviablackthorn9I like to think he would kinda kick his legs in his sleep as if he was running as a kitten and his mom thought it was cute
would kill for a mudclaw video. hes such an interesting character and his storyline has the clearest ties to shakespeares literature, being the tragedy of julius caesar
OH MY GOD
redtail deadtail
Red dead redemption, a new title for that book
@@Frostfern94omg perfect name fr fr. We should rename Tigerclaw ‘Micah’ and redtail ‘Arthur’
Redtail Deadtail Redemptail Two?
WE GETTING KILLED CHAPTER ONE WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣❗❗❗❗
The whole debt + obsession + Flirting makes me feel this should have been Darkstripe’s debt
I'm four minutes in and will delete if I am proven wrong by you bringing this up later but there is one other place Redtail appears as an adult: in the very very end of Bluestar's Prophecy, which is also what confirmed Ravenpaw's personality pre-murder. He was a senior and wise deputy at that point in time which is frankly the only thing I know for sure about this guy.
I remember this!! (why I do, I have no idea... I don't even like that book...)
I read over that but it was pretty meaningless as far as implying any actual personality imo. As far as ravenpaw, if or not it makes sense was kinda not the point so much as the fandom's reaction to it.
@@Moonkitti Entirely fair. With how little we knew about the guy at every point before this, Bluestar's Prophecy's tiny scene was all I personally had to go on for a while as far as "what is this guy like in life" information up until 2019 (and actually past it because I don't find much independent characterization in his novella either).
@@Rainbowpaw_shineRedtail is the best character in Bluestar’s prophecy, that’s why. /j
"Dawn of the Clan continuity can't sell even if you hype it." AGREED.
i've always kind of loved how he's written in redtail's debt ngl. he seems like such a people pleaser-type and seeing that being his downfall was kind of neat. i know it's pretty common for warriors characters to be like that but there's something about how he's written there that makes me appreciate the story a bit more, even if it's got some issues lol
PLEASE talk about Shellheart, Crookedstar’s father!! I love him so much and I think how him and his former mate broke up is so interesting because they never really have cat parents who “break up”. I adore how kind he is as a father to his son and he’s a super underrated character!
That would be cool! I sometimes am not sure what to feel about characters at the start of a book but when shellheart was like "rainflower if you keep being mean to our son im gonna dump your butt" and then he did i was like "oh yeah. this is a good one."
oh hey ive seen you on pinterest lol
@@AmythestAnimations lol hi!
I love Redtail's design it's adorable
I would love to see a video on Purdy! I love that silly old man and he's one of the only wc characters allowed to be chronically unserious which I appreciate ❤
I'd love to see some background on Purdy. I'd love to know if peak Purdy was as badass as he makes himself out to be. Certainly it's exaggerated but by how much? He's certainly competent when it comes to danger.
Needletail is a really interesting avos character! Her relationship with rain, and helping darktail even though he was proven to be awful is cool. Also her sister like friendship with violetshine is unique. So if you could do a character, I'd love her
One of the deputies the Clans have ever had.
7:20 headcanon red tail was gay af for tiger heart when he died he passed that gayness onto raven paw
mmm yeah proly
"Sometimes I can still hear his voice..."
"Gay gay homosexual gay"
Redtail is such a silly goober
Trans Redtail + he and Runningwind being Sandstorm’s dads will always be canon in my heart
I LOVE when people include that in their fanfics. there's this one amazing fanfic called interpolation that has firestar reincarnated as a she-kit back before into the wild properly begins (there's hints of trans girl firestar with how he reacts) and the author made redtail and runningwind the dads of sandkit and rowankit (firestars new identity) and its SO cute
I love that idea that's really cute.
i always shipped redtail and runningwind for no reason at all and always portrayed them both as sandkit’s father so i love seeing other people incorporating that as well!! :)
I AGREE I AGREE I AGREE
Any fic recs?
A talking video about Mousewhisker would be pretty neat. He's kind of a background character but has that weird little flirtation and plot point with that RiverClan cat. He'd be a neat character for a mini-talking.
when the clan-changing rule was established I was SO hoping for Mousewhisker and Minnowtail to run up to each other and be like "YES."
@@foxygrin Seriously, why didn't they do that? Or did Mousewhisker and Minnowtail just get over each other after Dovewing's Silence?
Minnowtail!!
I always thought that Sol was infertile as a male tortie, because of that one queen who asked if her kits were Sol's said dreamingly that "she'd wished" as if she maybe tried to have kits with him but it didn't work.
I jumped out of pure shock, I was not expecting RedTail content out of Moonkitti today.
I honestly feel t like they could have done a lot more with my baby boy. The biggest loss I feel warriors had was not making RedTail FireStar's spiritual guide. They could have completely taken out Spottedleaf's weird deal with FireStar and given my poor little baby boy more lines in. RedTail could have given a lot more help instead of just... being there, giving out prophecies and smelling good, he could have told FireStar a little more about TigerClaw and ThunderClan in general. Spottedleaf doesn't do much as a spiritual guide anyways, replacing her wouldn't change much and it would give a little bit more character to major- minor characters like RedTail. (I have now realized that this point is very flawed and would interfere with very important plot points) (what I meant was to just have RedTail as a more prevelant StarClan cat, have him as a real guy, since you can't really remove him.)
Anywho my RedTail rant ends around here, if any of yall have any particular RedTail headcannons that you would like to launch out there, feel free to answer to this comment with it :3. Im freeeeee 🦅🦅🦅 (moonkitti thank you so much for talking about my sweet dead baby boy)
Seeing as Fireheart didn't really know Redtail, I would be disappointed with this change. Regardless of how odd later Spottedleaf and Firestar interactions are, I would never stand for a largely irrelevant male character replacing the important role of a female character had I known it happened.
@@MoonkittiI thought about it for like 3 seconds and, yeah your point makes a lot more sense. Its been awhile since I've actually sat down to read Warriors and not touching one of those books wacks up my memory of the books themselves. Thank you Moonkitti for your input, I grately apreciate it
Blosssomfall "my real dad is diesel" warriorcats is the funniest and most galaxy brain take I am taking away from this
I think you should talk about Sootfur because if he gets forgotten any more he's going to fade
Sootfur is one of my fav characters I need a video on him to continue living
@bashfulwolfo6499 Same he is literally my favorite and there's like 1 map of him to prove his existence :,(
I love my boys sootfur and rainwhisker so damn much
Redtail's design is about the only thing people tend to remember about him. That and he's trans lol
I'd love to see a mini talking video about Morningflower and Gorsepaw! I love how Fireheart carries him across the road and from then on he's like Gorsepaw's little hero, Morningflower tells her son about how he saved his life Firestar basically winks at him at Gatherings and they're all so friendly with each other that someone like Tigerstar notices, because he knows that killing Gorsepaw will get under Firestar's skin. Then Morningflower's ferocity when fighting BloodClan is essentially in her son's name it's very sad and made me feel a lot of emotions even as a young kid reading, so I'd love to hear you talk about them both in one video since neither of them have much of a character on their own and their significance to Firestar's story is undeniable
I want to hear a talking about Puddleshine. I think it's really interesting that he was basically assigned ShadowClan's medicine cat at birth
I wish we had novellas again. Then we can get exposure on obscure characters like Redtail
UGH me too if they were still making them we 100% would have had a Snowtuft novella
video 1 of asking for a mini-talk about Crowfrost or Snowbird. I really loved Crowfrost’s character as well as Snowbird’s, mainly from OOTS & AVOS arcs!
19:34 there are actually quite a few male torties! some of them are just not described as torties (they're just described as black and red or some variation of that)
described as torties: Fircone, Scraps, Robinwing (riverclan, he's also a diluted tortie i thunk)
described as ginger-black: Dangling Leaf, Ripplestar, Patch Pelt, Snipe, Flickerkit, Patchkit
pale ginger & gray: Patch (ravenpaw's farewell)
there are also a bunch of toms that are black-brown, ginger-brown and gray-brown but im not sure which ones can be considered tortoiseshell since i dont know much about cat biology
With there being over 1000 characters in warrior cats, this is still a tiny little fraction of them.
I'm not sure black-brown and gray-brown are actually possible, at least a spot pattern way. the genes for black and orange are co dominant. but black is dominant over brown. are grey is the diluted version of black, which is controlled by a different gene
@ so is brown a separate gene? Or is it black? Or ginger? Cuz I saw that brown tabbies are called black tabbies but diluted black is grey? I’m really curious about this fur color and Google didn’t help with my confusion
@@ee8002You talking about Black tabby? It basically brown cat with black tabby though people probably mistaken as actual black-black tabby. If you see a brown cat with no black but instead brown, it call chocolate tabby
@ soo brown fur color comes from the black gene?
I think redtail has a red tail, but that’s just a theory
a WARRIORS theory
I am a cat genetics expert and you explained it pretty well❤
Headcannon: Since in real life the son of a ginger female can only be ginger, cat genetics re-enforces Nightheart as a trans allegory.
He pins his lack of comfort with his name on relation to firestar, but the reason he harps so much on not being orange is that he’s subliminally jealous of the concept of having a fur color that matches his gender identity.
Honestly I’d really love a talking on Shadowsight and just how his time during the arc is just “what if bad things kept happening to this teenager and also every grown man wanted to kill him” except he’s a cat
I was just thinking "huh haven't consumed any moonkitti content in a while" and huzzah redtail appears
A talking about redtail??coooool
Btw,could you talk about segdewhisker?theres a lot of things that happend to her along the series that the autors seems to forget about.
For exemple:
-She was cannonized as a half-clan cat by the Blogclan(her father,a river clan cat,disseapeared in the middle of oots,if im not wrong)
-she was one of the kits that was saved by jay,lion and the windclan apprentices.
-She was the kit that told to windclan about the tunels(She literally stated a war between all the clans lol)
-she was one of the cats to be in the quest in the fourth apprentice,whith all the cats there had a history whith half-clan relation ships.
She was totally forgoted until bc where she was an ALLY to the impostor,besides being a half-clan cat (maybe she dont know about?).
I think theres a lot of implications on her that are very interesting,mainly her relationships whith half-clan cats and mates.
Anyway,good video,i love redtail.
Wish more people talked about Doestar of thunderclan. She was such a compassionate leader.
I remember being young and watching TribbleofDoom's Warriors content at the time. They drew Redtail as white with red and brown patches and this inspired how I drew him for so many years. I was so attached to this idea but now I can only see him as black / very dark brown with red patches. It's interesting to see what 12 year old me and now 27 year old me saw Redtail as, I remember attaching myself to this character a lot and I can't even give a good reason why.
I would really like to see a video on Shrewtooth at some point in the future!
I’m re-reading all the SkyClan books right now, and I always thought it was weird how he has such a prominent role in Skyclan’s Destiny, and he has such a fleshed-out personality and character arc compared to most other background characters (in my opinion), but then he just completely disappears from the books without any explanation! Before I read Hawkwing’s Journey, I assumed Darktail had killed him in that book and that’s why he’s not in A Vision of Shadows, but he’s never even mentioned there or anywhere else past SkyClan and the Stranger!
I was really hoping for a Redtail cameo when Ravenpaw dies in Ravenpaw's farwell. I headcannon maybe Ravenpaw felt bad that he couldn't avenge Redtail himself and that maybe the Warrior would resent saving his life because Ravenpaw left the clans to live in the barn. I thought maybe Redtail could say he doesn't hate Ravenpaw and them maybe sharing tongues before Ravenpaw rejects Starclan as he waits for Barley
I love the design you chose for him!!!
Fun fact: leafpool was named after leafstar and squirrelflight after her bushy tail
This is the cutest design I ever seen by you this is now redtails canon design
i haven't red a novella, kinda excited for redtail's toxic crush now tho
19:08 funfact btw, NONE of Millie and Graystripe's kits are genetically accurate lol. A VERY basic explanation: for a cat to be gray, it needs to have two pairs of the dilute gene and the black X chromosome thing (for Millie, both of her X chromosomes have to be black), since the dilution gene is recessive, it means both Millie and Graystripe can only pass down dilution and black genes, thus only having gray kits. And before someone ask me about Bumblestripe (since he's technically gray)? He's not gray, he's silver, aka he's basically white with black stripes, and for this to be possible he would have to have inherited a gene called Inhibitor from at least one of his parents... The problem is that said gene is dominant and cannot be carried... Soooooo yeah, if you want to have a silver kitten, the parent HAS to be silver. But anyway, their designs are fun
Moonkitti: “mini-talking”
Also moonkitti: *26 minute long video*
I'd love to see a video on Jingo! for a cat that only appeared once the story of her and her group sounds really interesting
YES!
Jingostar!!!!
@ JINGOSTAAAR!!
REDTAILLL
Skrunkly little dude
I love these discussion videos that keep me updated on the various novellas that have come out. I've stopped reading the books since the beginning of dawn of the clans but I love the fandom
I would really love a mini-talking about Cody (that one kittypet from The New Prophecy)! I really love her! I wish she showed up again in the books!
"Redtail's debt" more like Redtail's dead hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
It's a weird retcon but I think I kind of see what they were going for with Ravenpaw being more bloodthirsty? It's like a parallel to Redtail's behavior earlier in the book - he admires Tigerclaw throughout his apprentice years, then he sees Ravenpaw doing the same thing & recognizes how dangerous that kind of blind admiration is. That said I don't remember if the book ever makes that parallel explicit and if it was intentional I think it probably needed a bit more time to develop.
There's also an interesting (possibly unintentional) idea in how passive Redtail is - I could see it as something similar to Grey Wing & Clear Sky, where he overlooks a bunch of red flags because he doesn't want to rock the boat or have to face the fact that someone he admires just isn't a good person. I like the idea of a character who refuses to take action to stop somebody they know is dangerous until it's too late, but I'm not sure if it was intentional or just normal warrior cats protagonist writing.
anyway 23:35 tag yourself i was a brown redtail truther
I would really love a mini-talk about Thrushpelt. He was the father who stepped up to Bluefur's kits and I love how he trestes thise kits as his own and stayed good friends with Bluestar all of his life.
Okay, cat genetics are crazy. So yes there are only red and black, but they also have black mutations, chocolate and cinnamon, on top of that they have dilutes as well blue for black, cream for red, lilac for chocolate, and fawn for cinnamon. Then you also have pointed and dilute modifers which caramelizes blue, lilac, and fawn and makes cream apricot.
His death took so much from us, like Ravenpaw's personality
I’d honestly love to see a Reedshine video. Something I find interesting is that even though she has a pretty big role in MV she doesn’t get discussed nearly as much as other characters like Appledusk or Frecklewish, & the little discussion I have seen of her has been pretty negative. She also seems to get a lot of hate for things that were Appledusk’s fault. Definitely imo a very interesting & underrated character.
Hey Moonkitti! Can you do a Talking video on Queen Coral from Wings of fire for a change? I’ve always seen her as a clear villain, (what with her tyranny and abusive behaviors and all) but not everyone in the community seems to. If you do want to talk about her specifically, I would also love to see talking videos about other Wings of Fire characters.
(Video 3 of asking)
finally the year of trying to find all the tortie toms paid off theres 38
Redtail, Sol, Redwillow, Robinwing(Riverclan), Shellfur, Fircone, Ripplestar, Rowanstar (Skyclan), Ferretclaw, Molewhisker, Antfur, Patchkit, Fritz, Patch, Mothpelt, Muddyclaw, Robinkit, Scraps, Snapper, Snipe, Spottedpaw (shadowclaw), Wheaselwhisker, Flickerkit, Patch Pelt, Lynxkit, Hawkheart, Dangling leaf, Beetle, Jigsaw, Robinstar, The stranger (from Sun trail), Chestnutkit, Nettlepad, Mothwhisker, Tiny branch, Flystar, and Thrushpelt (windclan)
I FLEW OVER HERE SO FAST
I would DIE for a video about Blackstar or Leopardstar. They’re my favorite examples of bad leaders who aren’t bad people.
I think you should talk about princess I’ve always thought the fact she gave her child to the clan was weird like I understand where she was coming from but she basically sent her child to a dangerous cult and if she like didn’t know how scary it was then was Firestar lying about clan life or something because in the series mothers are always super protective of their kits it seems strange but maybe I just read the books wrong or sumthing I do be dense
It'd be fun to see a Featherwhisker video, given how he had to train under Goosfeather!
Oh Redtail! We almost hardly know you ye!
I think the most popular depiction of Redtail being a red and black calico comes from SSSwarriorcats
In my mind, Redtail has always looked like how they depict him because I watched it even before I read the books
Makes sense, SSSwarriorcats is also the reason Longtail is usually portrayed as yellow, so.
suggestion for a video about toadstep. he was a cute little guy and i love it when any cat has a toad- or frog- prefix.
YES MY CHILD GOT A TALKING VIDEO (also I’m not sure if you have already done a spottedleaf one, I haven’t checked if you even allow her, but I say Spottedleaf. Make one for spottedleaf./nf)
She has a whole vid about Spottedleaf's feelings and the retcons that come with that if you look for it.
@ Alright thanks :3
Hey Moonkitti I was wondering if you could do a sorreltail talking video? I think she’s quite interesting bc she loses her mother, siblings, and two of her kits all in one series? (Except for honey fern) also there’s a reoccurring theme of being killed by badgers - even cinderpelt was killed by a badger during her kitting....
Was she the one that was poisoned by Darkstripe? Or was that Sorrelstripe?
Yeah darkstripe tried to poison her
Video 5 of asking : Please do a talking/mini talking on spiderleg! His relationship with Daisy was quite interesting, and his retconned age towards the end of Oots! There is a lot to talk about with him since he was alive for a long time.
YEA
honestly redtail admiring tigerclaw is fucked up man that's so sad 😭😿
Should have called him Talltail for all the conflicting stories about him!
...Oh wait
I decided to check and no, they never once use the word "kin" in Redtail's Debt
5:40 runningwind mentioned i love you runningwind
I’d really love a video on either Sandstorm, of Dustpelt. You decide! I loved the two mean jerks when they were apprentices.
THIS WAS POSTED ON MY BIRTHDAY god why’d they make him so deep.. the flirting ?? 😬
Happy birthday ❤
@@wyntred Happy birthday!!
YES YES YES YES FINALLY A TALKING ON MY FAVOURITE I HAVE BEEN WAITING ON THIS FOR YEARS YEAAARS THANK YOU AAAA
I miss when cats died more often and there were less cats. Made the cats that were never talked about that much more interesting because they were the one or two cats never talked about.
The idea that Ravenpaw was all about fighting and being a warrior until he actually witnessed death is not an uncommon trope, but it’s definitely one that makes sense
Also, what about the major mistake made by squirrelflight Hope which says yeah we chose leaf pools kits and not even all of them which ultimately implies they set everything in PO3 and OOTS up just to torment squirrelflight
Mothflight: we only choose Leafpools kits that is literally the only reason they’re special
Me: you little hairball if you hate the existence of medicine cat born kittens so much why did you choose them? Why did you not vote against them?
Sigh sorry!
Moonkitty i fully think that you deserve a lot of credit for mostly black redtail. I think you might have caused that push
I stand by the fact that Redtail's only purpose was to be a corpse and that it should have stayed that way
How about a taliking video about Nettlebreeze? Hes kinda an obscure character you see in Novellas but he has a lot of interesting scenes and moments for whenever he's around
Is that the one who recognizes mapleshade?
Theres this one TH-camr that made the genetics work and its fascinating
Also something I headcanon cause I think is cute and I don't know where else I can talk about it
Is that Graystripe was raised by siblings, he was raised by mom and uncle/ dad and aunt
The other parent just wasn't there to raise Graystripe so the parent's siblings stepped up
Hey, ik this is random and you prob hear this too much but you r literally the best. And i mean the best. Your so amazing, keep going girl
When the Erins use the term "chimera", they are referring to the torties who have half-black or half-ginger face. These are not chimeras, but regular torties. However, the common misconception is that they and only they are chimeras, which the Erins are using. Moonpaw is not a real chimera.
if you read the preview for the next book, it seems they probably do in fact know what a chimera is.
would love a mudclaw video tbh winds of change has made me an even more intense mudclaw apologist 🙏 i just think he’s neat
We can't make fun of tigetstar being gay because of incest :(
what.
Talking about acknowledgement of kin in Warrior Cats:
re-reading Dark River was a trip since the three being related to Tigerstar's kin was both super focused on and also completely written off.
Hollypaw spends forever worrying about one day fighting her newborn cousins in ShadowClan and also worries about her friendship with Willowpaw in RiverClan -
absolutely no consideration of Mothwing, her relative in RiverClan. She spends days there and never once thinks about it.
Lionpaw is training with Hawkfrost and Tigerstar and never once asks them about Brambleclaw or how Hawkfrost died - which Lionpaw spent a lot of time in the previous book wondering about.
I wish they were a little more consistent. Just a little.
totally unrelated except for that one line from tigerclaw but the characters calling being an apprentice being a 'paw is so cute to me
It’s retcon time
If I had a nickel for every writing inconsistency or complete contradiction because the authors seem to not even read their own content I would be living in a goddamn mansion
Man oh man these retcons. Even the authors cant keep track. redtail seems like he has a crush on tigerclaw, but theyre related? The rocks thing? I love this series, but it's messier that Crowfeather's love life.
i’d love for you to talk about strikestorm! he’s my favorite minor character
Redtail: Aw man, time to pay the background Character debt…
23:46 Mochi from Big Hero 6 is my favorite of the Cats Who Ignore Cat Biology genre
id love to see a video about gorsepaw!
In regards of cat genes only the red gene is caried by the X-chromosom. Red is also a dominant gene, which is why you usually only have either 'red' or 'black' male cats. (There are other genes that can alternate the colours but that's not the point right now) There's also a BUNCH of videos creating genetically acurat warrior cats.
So... are brown tabby and black the same gene in cats? Because Moonkitti made it sound like they were.
@NitroIndigo yes they are! Cats only have red or black as colour genes, and multiple possible genes that effect how these colours are presented. White is also controlled by multiple different genes. There are some great videos here on TH-cam that explain those genes in detail.
Does anyone think its kind of hilarious that Redtail was Bluestar's deputy for "many moons", them she goes through like 3 in the span of like 2 months, and then dies. Wild.