As a Bucks fan, I still can’t believe it. Even tho I will miss Holiday and what he did for us, Bucks GM Jon Horst was a genius for making him the center piece for Lillard Also shoutout to Phoenix for finally letting go of their buyers remorse from passing on Doncic for Ayton by trading him
Bruh ! As a Sun’s fan, I’ve been looking for the right words to describe the situation and buyers remorse is perfect. I knew we made a mistake as soon as I saw his body language in summer league.
I think phoenix did ok as they got depth and they are cheap contracts. Though i agree the suns didn't even got a pick or two, well phoenix should had signed and traded him last summer to indy i think
Ayton has flaws but ultimately he still could’ve been a good center for them for the next decade. If the suns don’t win it all nets will be drafting very high with the suns picks in the future they own, a bit of a turn of fortunes
I think people are overrating the lose of Jrue, yes Jrue was a good defender but he doesn’t translate well to the playoffs on offense and the Bucks still have two dpoy candidates
@@mattmmixesI’m praying my Celtics make a move for Jrue would honestly put us back on top in the east imo . I love Marcus but jrue is Marcus with a jump shot would be game changing we trade brogdon some picks and make a move and change tide again
@@Yup217I love the Celtics, but I don't see why Portland would take Brogdon in exchange for Jrue. Would Boston be throwing in some good picks? Whenever you advocate for a trade, always consider both sides, otherwise it's just wishful thinking. 🏀🏆☘️
Favorites are useless. Playoffs are unpredictable as Popovic says. Remember the Bucks have a rookie coach and the pressure to get in the East is not easy. Jrue is their best perimeter defender and very vocal on defense. Bucks could go to best in defending 3's to the most allowed 3pt FGs quickly.
Nurk is a better rebounder and shooter than Ayton. Considering how many shots their top 3 in Phoenix will take, having a big like Nurkic who don't demand the ball and will still fight for boards even when they aren't feeding him will give the suns alot of 2nd chance points which is a nightmare for any team facing them
The Suns might not have done badly with this trade. They had to move Ayton. No choice. He was neither contented nor living up to expectations, and $30 million per year is a lot of cap space for the value he provided. Nurkic is a capable center when healthy. There is risk there, but they weren't going to find anyone better. And if he does stay healthy, it's a win for Phoenix. So the Suns lightened their salary load and it didn't cost them anything they wanted to keep. The trade does not elevate their chances of a championship. But it didn't hurt their chances, either. They still are contenders. If they can avoid the injury bug, they'll sit near the top of their conference again. They've got a shot. Really, that's all you can ask of a front office. Will Dame mesh well with the Bucks? Probably. He's a great player. But the Bucks lost a bit of ground defensively. Not a wash, probably, but it might not put them over the top. We shall see. As for the Blazers, they got younger. Now it's a matter of rebuilding. They have some picks they can spend and some trade assets to help them along. Who won the trade? I think all 3 franchises placed winnable bets. Now we just have to see what they can do with what they each gained.
@@buenvidanadz1969 yes. They might not be. There are a lot of variables in play. I expect they could do very well if the chemistry works and if they can avoid injuries. But that chapter has not yet been written. It's clearly too soon to dismiss the Suns' reconfiguration. If Nurkic can deliver reliably, they may have gained ground. He's a better defender, one of the few who can bang with Jokic and slow him down. They didn't really need Ayton's offense. Offense, they've got in plenty. As for Portland, we'll see how well they make use of picks and how well they can develop their young core. They could become formidable, though probably not so much immediately. Rebuilds take time and nothing is certain.
@@Urgelt It's a little weird you say for the Bucks the chapter is still unwritten and so you cant really say theyre the big winners of this blockbuster deal yet but then you say portland and the suns have extreme potential to gain from their fruits of the deal. I mean imho where's the consistency in your argument lol Imo and in most cases, whoever got the biggest name of the deal is the biggest winner. Or we can put it whoever was able to attain their main objective is the biggest winner. Either way it's the Bucks lol 💯
Potential is there for all three franchises. That's where my consistency lies. It's way premature to declare winners and losers. They're all placing bets whose outcome is uncertain. To find out who won the trade, we'll just have to watch the games.
I was born and raised in Phoenix. Ayton had literally NO trade value, he wanted out, Book hated babysitting him and trying to get him going every game, this was the best we could get. I would have rather just kept DA but, if he was THAT much of a cancer to the locker room they have nobody to blame but themselves this year if they don’t win.
Same thought. Suns team has been spread too thin and lacking depth. This deal, though not optimal, is among the best available to recover some depth. There can be better options but they gotta fall through to make value.
I think Portland got a pretty nice haul myself! Wouldn't be surprised to see them in the race for a play-in spot! Gotta see what they will turn Jrue into first though!
Blazers will most likely trade Jrue before the season starts. Jrue is still a valuable role player for his defense so other title contending teams might want him.
Once I see the return for Jrue I’ll be able to fully judge, rn it seems like a bit of an under sale, regardless they have a good future with sharpe, scoot and probably a top 3 pick this season.
Portland won this trade imo. The fact that their picks are unprotected is huge. That's HUGE for both draft and trade potential. And they can always move Jrue if they want to go young/rebuild. Bucks didn't have to give up much, and there's not as many serious challengers in the East this year. So I think they also made out well. But at least Portland got more than Miami anyone else was willing to give up for Dame. Phoenix...well at least they don't have Ayton? 😂
i was clowning the suns for trading all there depth for beal and how the only had 3 players who are 3 way scorers and aren't that good the defenders but all the signings and trades they have made this offseason to bring help and a great depth around beal kd and book that team is gonna be a problem the only way i don't see the suns winning is injuries the nuggets the bucks or one team that might suprise everyone which imo will be the warriors. happy dame got out of portland scary how deep the suns are and the blazers are prob trading jrue for picks or young studs anyways this season mainly in the west will be scary
I disagree with your assessment. Bucks are fine, they got the star in the deal, Dame will lead Giannis to re-signing and they will keep their championship window open for the foreseeable future. Suns got the better deal than the Blazers (pending what happens with Jrue, if they trade him then what will they get in return). I think Nurkic is a better fit than Ayton for this team because Ayton is more suited to a run&gun style (I think Ayton's best version of himself would be a spawn of David Robinson). However, Ayton is weak, he's not strong compared to other top Centers in the league and he's ineffective outside of 15ft where Nurkic is capable of shooting 3s (not great from 3 but going 1-3 or 2-4 isn't unheard of for him). He's not a great screen-setter which is what you'd want when your 3 scorers are primarily midrange shooters and Beal as a slasher. He doesn't give you much when it comes to boxing out either which is what you want on a jumpshooting team, Nurkic is much more of an interior presence in that aspect. When it comes to Defense, I'd rather have a big body like Nurkic trying to slow down Jokic, because we all saw what he did to AD in the playoffs. Blazers got Ayton, who simply wont do much for the young guys because like I said, he's weak. But yeah, Suns have a bunch of depth now, considering they have Vogel, a Defensive minded coach, he has plenty of tools in terms of role players to mix it up on Defense. Phoenix will be formidable.
The Blazers are a fringe playoff team at best after this deal but the real key could be what the future holds for their picks down the line. That, plus whatever they can get for Jrue Holiday (whom the Blazers are reportedly looking to flip for prospects and/or more picks).
@jean-patricepaluku4754 - That's why I said they are a FRINGE PLAYOFF TEAM AT BEST, as they are constructed NOW. It's certainly more likely they won't even get in, and if they do follow through with trading Jrue, then they WILL in fact be a lottery team since they're building for the future.
Milwaukee won huge right now, but we won't know who won this trade until a few years after 2029 when we see what happens with the pick swaps and what that first-round pick becomes.
The Miami Heat won. Getting Dame would have absolutely destroyed them, as they would have had no remains in depth AND no future. A team of Dame, Jimmy and Bam mixed with a bunch of league minimum contract guys and G-Leaguers wouldn’t even be a Playoff Team.
@@wazzup233 that would be a shitty trade. Trading for James harden, a total overweight wasted golden corral, super sized, whopper eating lazy sack of crap James harden
The Bucks getting Dame was crazy. When you pair his high scoring ability with Giannis, that team is going to be scary. And also Dame needed to get out of there. He’s wasted numerous years in Portland trying to win but he was never going to. A player of his caliber deserves to be on a winning team and Portland was never going to provide that. Now he gets a fresh start in Milwaukee where he has created the scariest duo in the league. On the Blazers side of things, losing Jrue is a huge loss defensively for the bucks. His scrappiness and toughness on Defense was something the Bucks needed to get them over the hump and win the title. Jrue achieved that in 2021. Now he can be a mentor to the young guys in Portland and help them grow. As for Deandre Ayton the Suns needed to get rid of him. He was never going to improve and just stagnate as a player in Phoenix. Now he gets a fresh start in Portland. Excited to see what he does with it. The Suns literally got the last remaining table scraps.
Facts 💯 Imo people are actually sleeping on the Bucks. This could potentially be a dynasty and not just a one chip thing. Giannis and Dame have at most 10 years left hahah. Khris has at least 5 serviceable years left and he's under a new contract with them as well. Bucks management just needs to continue to be proactive in the trade and free agency market every year hahah as they should be 💯
100% tampering. Giannis talks about leaving the Bucks if they aren't contenders, then they suddenly land Lillard for basically nothing. And I'm a Hornets fan before anyone says anything.
I always look forward to Andy's content. As a Sixers fan, I am very upset that the Sixers gave a horrible offer on Tyrese Maxey for Damian Lillard, because Tyrese sort of plays the same as Damian, at least offensively. That was the reason why we never got Damian Lillard
I'm tired of seeing lopsided superstar trades, so at the moment I'm happy Milwaukee got their man and Portland got a good haul. The Suns seemed mostly intent on cutting salary, so it looks like all three teams got what it needed.
I disagree. The Suns got a center that has injury concerns. What they need is to play their backup centers or play Durant at center if necessary. I think the Suns get an A, because both them and Portland had disgruntled centers. Nurkic is older but more experienced in ways in play Ayton wasn’t. Nurkic can hit threes, is a good free throw shooter and is a team player. Ayton is immature. I agree the Suns deserved more. They are waiving Keon. Allen is declining and not a great teammate. Having Nurk stretch the floor and provide rim protection is good for them. Portland isn’t necessarily guard heavy. They have a lot of players who could play guard or forward. What they need is to trade Holiday for a younger backup point guard and get another team to trade them a pick and another wing that can shoot. Even if it means giving up another bad contract like Knox. Blazers overall summer grade from the draft to now is lower because of the signing of Knox. Dumbest move by Cronin this year. The Bucks got a better guard, yes, but being forced by Phoenix to because of Ayton, cost them a player whom Portland might give to another East team that could hurt the Bucks in the playoffs. They now pay Dame’s contract which lowers their grade from the trade. They better hope they don’t get burned by the trade by losing to Miami or Boston. Portland should trade Holiday to Boston, because I believe they have better players on expiring contracts or players like Pritchard, a former Oregon high school player. Payton would be an upgrade at backup point guard and getting another front court player wouldn’t hurt. Boston has an overcrowded front court. They have picks also. I don’t like Miami, the Clippers or 76ers. Trading for Harden or Lowry or Jovic or Paul just to try to trade them if you can for more assets is dumb. The Blazers were aided by the Bucks and will get a massive haul for Holiday. Trading him to a West team makes winning harder. You can overdo the acquiring stockpile of draft picks as OKC has done. The only reason if they need a backup guard like Holiday would be to use a third team to pry future picks from them. A third team would help them get rid of extra players under contract and help Portland and the other third team. The Suns have several albatross contracts and I think Nurk and Durant will work together well. Nurk will focus on rebounding and not on offense. He can spread the floor and maybe hit threes. There is plenty of shoot first ball hog offensive minded players. They will only contend if Nurk, Booker and Durant stay healthy The same reason applies to Dame and Giannis in Milwaukee.
Well now it’s Andy’s turn to talk about this trade I think this works out for all of these teams but like no one saw this coming But the Milwaukee Bucks are definitely doing out of the East
As a Heat fan, I was upset about this trade but I understand why the Blazers would not trade Lillard to Miami. Tyler Herro was supposed to be apart of that trade discussion, knowing the Blazers already got guards like Henderson and Simons, they didn’t want another guard. Out of that three team trade, I feel Phoenix won that trade by getting Nurkic who can rebound and clear out space for Booker, Beal and Durant. If Lillard stays healthy for the Bucks they’re definitely gonna be a scary team. And we could see a rematch between Phoenix and Milwaukee in the finals next year. Feel bad for Miami though, this could be their last chance on getting Jimmy Butler some help after making the finals this year. Wasting Jimmy’s prime and he just turned 34, Pat Riley better find Jimmy some help and fast.
Everybody won in this trade. Bucks : gets an upgrade Portland : Gets rotation and better defense Suns : Finally gets rid of manchild who won’t play in the playoffs because he demand more touches
The 2023-24 season will be very interesting. I don't think anyone saw this trade happening. With today's social media, most articles mentioning trades actually stated they were proposals once clicked. I didn't take the news seriously until multiple reports confirmed it. The trade definitely puts the Bucks as one of the favorites in the Eastern Conference. Boston has done good work tweaking their roster. I'm curious what Philadelphia will do? I still believe the Miami Heat will make something interesting.
Finally Dame landed with a contender team and playing alongside former MVP. This duo will be dangerous no doubt All I am thinking is the pick & roll between Dame and Gainnis 🔥💨
As great as Dame is, he is a liability on defense. He gets killed in the pick n roll. Plus his age and injury concerns. As well as Middleton. If Middleton and Dame go down for any length of time, it's Giannis and the Jimmy Buckets 3rd Stringers.
For the Suns it seems more like addition by subtraction. They get rid of a big contract disgruntled player for a player that's at least as serviceable and won't complain about not being the teams centerpiece. They also gained some depth which was their biggest problem after Ayton's unhappiness. It's a trade where everyone won.
Ok this is how I breakdown this trade Bucks - they won big time just from the fact that Giannis is happy again. They showed him that they are willing to flip everything just for him to stay on the team Blazers- they won this big time. They are actually the biggest winner in this trade. They can finally start over now and prepare for the future plus added picks and a great mentor or a great trade piece to get even more assets. Suns - They needed cap space to fill up their bench. I think they will be the biggest buyers this summer trade deadline. Also they got rid of what supposed to be a fcking ego centric player. All in all everyone won.
Very unpopular opinion: If haelthy, Nurkic is better than Ayton, especially as a fit in Suns, which got destroyed by Jokic, since Nurkic is a lot stronger and you need power rather than athleticism to defend Jokic.
If Middleton is healthy in the playoffs, they have a chance in the east. But they have a first year coach, and no defense in the perimeter. The Heat and the Celtics are way more relatable to me.
Milwaukee easy W. Portland gets a solid center that looks good on paper with Scoot. Jrue to flip for more assets. A promising future building potential. Phoenix…eh. Potentially added depth and getting out of a max contract. I don’t think they got good value for Ayton though.
After Giannis' comments, GM must have realized that they can't just leave things as they are. If Giannis were to be released, it would be the worst possible development. Even so, I was really surprised that Lillard went to the Bucks, but I personally think it was a good choice to acquire Lillard even if it means letting go of Holiday and Allen.
As a Bucks fan, I still can’t believe it. Even tho I will miss Holiday and what he did for us, Bucks GM Jon Horst was a genius for making him the center piece for Lillard
Also shoutout to Phoenix for finally letting go of their buyers remorse from passing on Doncic for Ayton by trading him
Bruh ! As a Sun’s fan, I’ve been looking for the right words to describe the situation and buyers remorse is perfect. I knew we made a mistake as soon as I saw his body language in summer league.
I think phoenix did ok as they got depth and they are cheap contracts. Though i agree the suns didn't even got a pick or two, well phoenix should had signed and traded him last summer to indy i think
Ayton has flaws but ultimately he still could’ve been a good center for them for the next decade. If the suns don’t win it all nets will be drafting very high with the suns picks in the future they own, a bit of a turn of fortunes
Brah trade your champion in drew for wannabee no playing D wannabee raper??
Horrible
@@fourvetperrie457he's already out of his prime also
Yes. It's now Andy's turn to talk about the Dame trade. The Bucks are one of the clear favorites to come out of the East if things click well.
I think people are overrating the lose of Jrue, yes Jrue was a good defender but he doesn’t translate well to the playoffs on offense and the Bucks still have two dpoy candidates
@@mattmmixesI’m praying my Celtics make a move for Jrue would honestly put us back on top in the east imo . I love Marcus but jrue is Marcus with a jump shot would be game changing we trade brogdon some picks and make a move and change tide again
@@Yup217I love the Celtics, but I don't see why Portland would take Brogdon in exchange for Jrue. Would Boston be throwing in some good picks?
Whenever you advocate for a trade, always consider both sides, otherwise it's just wishful thinking. 🏀🏆☘️
@@Yup217if you get jrue, I already he's gonna turn into curry once they meet the bucks😂
Favorites are useless. Playoffs are unpredictable as Popovic says. Remember the Bucks have a rookie coach and the pressure to get in the East is not easy. Jrue is their best perimeter defender and very vocal on defense. Bucks could go to best in defending 3's to the most allowed 3pt FGs quickly.
Nurk is a better rebounder and shooter than Ayton. Considering how many shots their top 3 in Phoenix will take, having a big like Nurkic who don't demand the ball and will still fight for boards even when they aren't feeding him will give the suns alot of 2nd chance points which is a nightmare for any team facing them
The Suns might not have done badly with this trade. They had to move Ayton. No choice. He was neither contented nor living up to expectations, and $30 million per year is a lot of cap space for the value he provided. Nurkic is a capable center when healthy. There is risk there, but they weren't going to find anyone better. And if he does stay healthy, it's a win for Phoenix.
So the Suns lightened their salary load and it didn't cost them anything they wanted to keep.
The trade does not elevate their chances of a championship. But it didn't hurt their chances, either. They still are contenders. If they can avoid the injury bug, they'll sit near the top of their conference again. They've got a shot. Really, that's all you can ask of a front office.
Will Dame mesh well with the Bucks? Probably. He's a great player. But the Bucks lost a bit of ground defensively. Not a wash, probably, but it might not put them over the top. We shall see.
As for the Blazers, they got younger. Now it's a matter of rebuilding. They have some picks they can spend and some trade assets to help them along.
Who won the trade? I think all 3 franchises placed winnable bets. Now we just have to see what they can do with what they each gained.
They all won as of right now that’s all that matters
The way you're saying this seems like you feel like Bucks ain't the biggest winner here.
@@buenvidanadz1969 yes. They might not be.
There are a lot of variables in play.
I expect they could do very well if the chemistry works and if they can avoid injuries. But that chapter has not yet been written.
It's clearly too soon to dismiss the Suns' reconfiguration. If Nurkic can deliver reliably, they may have gained ground. He's a better defender, one of the few who can bang with Jokic and slow him down. They didn't really need Ayton's offense. Offense, they've got in plenty.
As for Portland, we'll see how well they make use of picks and how well they can develop their young core. They could become formidable, though probably not so much immediately. Rebuilds take time and nothing is certain.
@@Urgelt
It's a little weird you say for the Bucks the chapter is still unwritten and so you cant really say theyre the big winners of this blockbuster deal yet but then you say portland and the suns have extreme potential to gain from their fruits of the deal.
I mean imho where's the consistency in your argument lol
Imo and in most cases, whoever got the biggest name of the deal is the biggest winner.
Or we can put it whoever was able to attain their main objective is the biggest winner.
Either way it's the Bucks lol 💯
Potential is there for all three franchises. That's where my consistency lies. It's way premature to declare winners and losers. They're all placing bets whose outcome is uncertain.
To find out who won the trade, we'll just have to watch the games.
Congrats on the 500k Andy, well deserved, great content.
Ok, whatever.
@@sdfv4zx no one asked you.
With Lillard out of the picture, Anfernee Simons and Scoot Henderson are now free to flourish in Portland.
Dont forget Shaedon Sharpe. That young trio along with Ayton and Grant could be lowkey lethal if they all get better
That boy Anfernee is 🔥
Shaedon is an insanely freakish athlete 🔥
Portland is in a good place.
Everyone won in my opinion. Phoenix might not have gotten names that jump out at you but they're all serviceable players on moveable contracts
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Exactly. All teams achieved their objectives. Suns got a little more depth after this trade and they got rid of a locker room pain in the process..
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Hats off to bucks
They converted Eric Bledsoe to Holiday then holiday to Dame
Dammm..
Btw happy for Dame 🤞🤞
Congrats on 500K Andy👏🏾been watching since high school 🤝🏾
Congratulations for 500k!🎉 keep on rocking....
I was born and raised in Phoenix. Ayton had literally NO trade value, he wanted out, Book hated babysitting him and trying to get him going every game, this was the best we could get. I would have rather just kept DA but, if he was THAT much of a cancer to the locker room they have nobody to blame but themselves this year if they don’t win.
Same thought. Suns team has been spread too thin and lacking depth. This deal, though not optimal, is among the best available to recover some depth. There can be better options but they gotta fall through to make value.
Might just be me but, I blame Phoenix for that relationship falling apart more so than I do DA.
@@CJ_Espinozathey gave him many chances to improve his game
Yeah suns were stupid for keeping Ayton after the 2021 championships. Guy is freaking huge yet he didn’t do much In those finals.
They can still blame denver, the lakers, golden state and the Bucks if they dont win a chip this year 😅😆
Suns got the defensive center that Vogel wanted
I think Portland got a pretty nice haul myself! Wouldn't be surprised to see them in the race for a play-in spot! Gotta see what they will turn Jrue into first though!
They should just blow it up and go with the full rebuild
Blazers will most likely trade Jrue before the season starts.
Jrue is still a valuable role player for his defense so other title contending teams might want him.
Once I see the return for Jrue I’ll be able to fully judge, rn it seems like a bit of an under sale, regardless they have a good future with sharpe, scoot and probably a top 3 pick this season.
Portland won this trade imo. The fact that their picks are unprotected is huge. That's HUGE for both draft and trade potential. And they can always move Jrue if they want to go young/rebuild.
Bucks didn't have to give up much, and there's not as many serious challengers in the East this year. So I think they also made out well. But at least Portland got more than Miami anyone else was willing to give up for Dame.
Phoenix...well at least they don't have Ayton? 😂
@@elizabethgeorge168and 2 rotation players
The Suns smoothed out their roster here and got rid of the biggest mistake in team history.
As a bucks fan I miss Jrue and his defense. I thought Allen was bad luck anyways so I’m glad he’s gone 😅
I think Suns secretly won the trade. They have the big three, they added a new center, got rid of DA, added depth. They will be excellent
Saying they won is ridiculous
i was clowning the suns for trading all there depth for beal and how the only had 3 players who are 3 way scorers and aren't that good the defenders but all the signings and trades they have made this offseason to bring help and a great depth around beal kd and book that team is gonna be a problem the only way i don't see the suns winning is injuries the nuggets the bucks or one team that might suprise everyone which imo will be the warriors. happy dame got out of portland scary how deep the suns are and the blazers are prob trading jrue for picks or young studs anyways this season mainly in the west will be scary
Not a Bucks fan, but I personally think that evey small market team should follow them in terms of making a superstar talent happy. 💯
Them and probably the Nuggets
Facts facts 💯
I disagree with your assessment.
Bucks are fine, they got the star in the deal, Dame will lead Giannis to re-signing and they will keep their championship window open for the foreseeable future.
Suns got the better deal than the Blazers (pending what happens with Jrue, if they trade him then what will they get in return). I think Nurkic is a better fit than Ayton for this team because Ayton is more suited to a run&gun style (I think Ayton's best version of himself would be a spawn of David Robinson). However, Ayton is weak, he's not strong compared to other top Centers in the league and he's ineffective outside of 15ft where Nurkic is capable of shooting 3s (not great from 3 but going 1-3 or 2-4 isn't unheard of for him). He's not a great screen-setter which is what you'd want when your 3 scorers are primarily midrange shooters and Beal as a slasher. He doesn't give you much when it comes to boxing out either which is what you want on a jumpshooting team, Nurkic is much more of an interior presence in that aspect. When it comes to Defense, I'd rather have a big body like Nurkic trying to slow down Jokic, because we all saw what he did to AD in the playoffs.
Blazers got Ayton, who simply wont do much for the young guys because like I said, he's weak.
But yeah, Suns have a bunch of depth now, considering they have Vogel, a Defensive minded coach, he has plenty of tools in terms of role players to mix it up on Defense. Phoenix will be formidable.
The Blazers are a fringe playoff team at best after this deal but the real key could be what the future holds for their picks down the line. That, plus whatever they can get for Jrue Holiday (whom the Blazers are reportedly looking to flip for prospects and/or more picks).
@jean-patricepaluku4754 - That's why I said they are a FRINGE PLAYOFF TEAM AT BEST, as they are constructed NOW. It's certainly more likely they won't even get in, and if they do follow through with trading Jrue, then they WILL in fact be a lottery team since they're building for the future.
Ayton might be a sleeper in this trade.. He may just have needed a fresh environment.. Still think he has a high upside
Milwaukee won huge right now, but we won't know who won this trade until a few years after 2029 when we see what happens with the pick swaps and what that first-round pick becomes.
Great timing Andy!! Thanks again!!
finals PHO vs MIL with full healthy rosters looks hard to predict the winner, so that is unclear who is the winner in the trade yet.
Great Job, Andy! Thank you.
Andy Hoooops🏀! You’ve become one of my favorite nba TH-camrs with the consistently great vids
The Miami Heat won. Getting Dame would have absolutely destroyed them, as they would have had no remains in depth AND no future. A team of Dame, Jimmy and Bam mixed with a bunch of league minimum contract guys and G-Leaguers wouldn’t even be a Playoff Team.
YOU GOT A GOOD POINT!!!!!
Imagine if the Heat traded Tyler Herro for James Harden. 🤑🤪
Facts
@@wazzup233 that would be a shitty trade. Trading for James harden, a total overweight wasted golden corral, super sized, whopper eating lazy sack of crap James harden
Congrats to MIL for winning the Dame trade
Congratulations for the 500K!
Camara is going to get minutes now but on the bench because of Grant starting but I hope he gets playing time.
Another surefire content from ANDY 🎉🔥
The Bucks getting Dame was crazy. When you pair his high scoring ability with Giannis, that team is going to be scary. And also Dame needed to get out of there. He’s wasted numerous years in Portland trying to win but he was never going to. A player of his caliber deserves to be on a winning team and Portland was never going to provide that. Now he gets a fresh start in Milwaukee where he has created the scariest duo in the league. On the Blazers side of things, losing Jrue is a huge loss defensively for the bucks. His scrappiness and toughness on Defense was something the Bucks needed to get them over the hump and win the title. Jrue achieved that in 2021. Now he can be a mentor to the young guys in Portland and help them grow. As for Deandre Ayton the Suns needed to get rid of him. He was never going to improve and just stagnate as a player in Phoenix. Now he gets a fresh start in Portland. Excited to see what he does with it. The Suns literally got the last remaining table scraps.
Facts 💯
Imo people are actually sleeping on the Bucks. This could potentially be a dynasty and not just a one chip thing. Giannis and Dame have at most 10 years left hahah. Khris has at least 5 serviceable years left and he's under a new contract with them as well. Bucks management just needs to continue to be proactive in the trade and free agency market every year hahah as they should be 💯
100% tampering. Giannis talks about leaving the Bucks if they aren't contenders, then they suddenly land Lillard for basically nothing. And I'm a Hornets fan before anyone says anything.
I always look forward to Andy's content. As a Sixers fan, I am very upset that the Sixers gave a horrible offer on Tyrese Maxey for Damian Lillard, because Tyrese sort of plays the same as Damian, at least offensively. That was the reason why we never got Damian Lillard
meanwhile you got mfs like rusty bucket saying the blazers should've done the heat trade because herro is better than ayton
Hello Mr Hoops, thanks for your reporting Andy.
I'm tired of seeing lopsided superstar trades, so at the moment I'm happy Milwaukee got their man and Portland got a good haul. The Suns seemed mostly intent on cutting salary, so it looks like all three teams got what it needed.
Plot Twist: Ayton tested positive on PED's. Trade Vetoed
Giannis
Dame
Middleton
This new Big 3 can definitely win it all next year
more like “only 3”
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The Suns didn't lose really, they needed a veteran center to man the paint and they got it. Injuries aside.
I disagree. The Suns got a center that has injury concerns. What they need is to play their backup centers or play Durant at center if necessary. I think the Suns get an A, because both them and Portland had disgruntled centers. Nurkic is older but more experienced in ways in play Ayton wasn’t. Nurkic can hit threes, is a good free throw shooter and is a team player. Ayton is immature.
I agree the Suns deserved more. They are waiving Keon. Allen is declining and not a great teammate. Having Nurk stretch the floor and provide rim protection is good for them.
Portland isn’t necessarily guard heavy. They have a lot of players who could play guard or forward. What they need is to trade Holiday for a younger backup point guard and get another team to trade them a pick and another wing that can shoot. Even if it means giving up another bad contract like Knox.
Blazers overall summer grade from the draft to now is lower because of the signing of Knox. Dumbest move by Cronin this year.
The Bucks got a better guard, yes, but being forced by Phoenix to because of Ayton, cost them a player whom Portland might give to another East team that could hurt the Bucks in the playoffs. They now pay Dame’s contract which lowers their grade from the trade. They better hope they don’t get burned by the trade by losing to Miami or Boston.
Portland should trade Holiday to Boston, because I believe they have better players on expiring contracts or players like Pritchard, a former Oregon high school player. Payton would be an upgrade at backup point guard and getting another front court player wouldn’t hurt. Boston has an overcrowded front court. They have picks also.
I don’t like Miami, the Clippers or 76ers. Trading for Harden or Lowry or Jovic or Paul just to try to trade them if you can for more assets is dumb.
The Blazers were aided by the Bucks and will get a massive haul for Holiday. Trading him to a West team makes winning harder.
You can overdo the acquiring stockpile of draft picks as OKC has done. The only reason if they need a backup guard like Holiday would be to use a third team to pry future picks from them. A third team would help them get rid of extra players under contract and help Portland and the other third team.
The Suns have several albatross contracts and I think Nurk and Durant will work together well. Nurk will focus on rebounding and not on offense. He can spread the floor and maybe hit threes. There is plenty of shoot first ball hog offensive minded players. They will only contend if Nurk, Booker and Durant stay healthy
The same reason applies to Dame and Giannis in Milwaukee.
Well now it’s Andy’s turn to talk about this trade
I think this works out for all of these teams but like no one saw this coming
But the Milwaukee Bucks are definitely doing out of the East
Suns did good. Ayton is too emo a crybaby. Big, young and talented but mentally soft.
Phoenix now has room to add more depth and tuffness.
As a Heat fan, I was upset about this trade but I understand why the Blazers would not trade Lillard to Miami. Tyler Herro was supposed to be apart of that trade discussion, knowing the Blazers already got guards like Henderson and Simons, they didn’t want another guard. Out of that three team trade, I feel Phoenix won that trade by getting Nurkic who can rebound and clear out space for Booker, Beal and Durant. If Lillard stays healthy for the Bucks they’re definitely gonna be a scary team. And we could see a rematch between Phoenix and Milwaukee in the finals next year. Feel bad for Miami though, this could be their last chance on getting Jimmy Butler some help after making the finals this year. Wasting Jimmy’s prime and he just turned 34, Pat Riley better find Jimmy some help and fast.
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8:10 The Blazers getting lucky?! LOL
Suns didn't lose,
Ayton probably would've complained about not getting touches, Something Nurkic wouldn't do
Everybody won in this trade.
Bucks : gets an upgrade
Portland : Gets rotation and better defense
Suns : Finally gets rid of manchild who won’t play in the playoffs because he demand more touches
The 2023-24 season will be very interesting. I don't think anyone saw this trade happening. With today's social media, most articles mentioning trades actually stated they were proposals once clicked. I didn't take the news seriously until multiple reports confirmed it. The trade definitely puts the Bucks as one of the favorites in the Eastern Conference. Boston has done good work tweaking their roster. I'm curious what Philadelphia will do? I still believe the Miami Heat will make something interesting.
Finally Dame landed with a contender team and playing alongside former MVP.
This duo will be dangerous no doubt
All I am thinking is the pick & roll between Dame and Gainnis 🔥💨
I honestly think the Heat will try to trade for Jrue Holiday, he just seems like their kind of player.
If jrue is still motivated to play and not choke in the playoffs i think the trio of bam, jimmy and jrue will be a defensive clinic
It's crazy to think about. Jrue can guard 1-3, while Jimmy and Bam are comfortable just about anywhere. Would be an amazing fit 😯
Maybe the Lakers? Jrue for Dangelo?
yeah they can finally do their dogshit offer
Imagine Giannis in the paint. You cant double him because the four out (Lopez, Dame Middleton, Beasley/Crowder) can knock down 3.
Aytons gotta be happy hes finally off the Suns. He needs to come into this next season with a refreshed headspace and start Dominating consistently
Portland is biggest winner, then Bucks and Suns did a solid trade. Suns got a bruiser centar who can go against Jokić. They should take Howard also!
Portland got a good haul for dame
But I feel like if the bucks don’t consistently get far in the playoffs then Giannis still might leave
As great as Dame is, he is a liability on defense. He gets killed in the pick n roll. Plus his age and injury concerns. As well as Middleton. If Middleton and Dame go down for any length of time, it's Giannis and the Jimmy Buckets 3rd Stringers.
I think everyone won in some way except the heat
But they LOST Jrue Holiday. Am I crazy? I really feel they lost a bit on that one, Jrue was a vital piece in getting Giannis his first chip.
@@renrenlu6300at least jrue is available. Dame might be injured before the playoffs
Suns got the worst of it but they got more depth so that helps in the playoffs long term
Jimmy Butler kicking the air right now 😂😂💀💀
For the Suns it seems more like addition by subtraction. They get rid of a big contract disgruntled player for a player that's at least as serviceable and won't complain about not being the teams centerpiece. They also gained some depth which was their biggest problem after Ayton's unhappiness. It's a trade where everyone won.
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All 3 won. Giannis gets an all star running mate. Portland gets a centre that’s fits their timeline and suns get the bench
lillard is amazing but old and TERRIBLE on defense, the blazers won 10x
Ok this is how I breakdown this trade
Bucks - they won big time just from the fact that Giannis is happy again. They showed him that they are willing to flip everything just for him to stay on the team
Blazers- they won this big time. They are actually the biggest winner in this trade. They can finally start over now and prepare for the future plus added picks and a great mentor or a great trade piece to get even more assets.
Suns - They needed cap space to fill up their bench. I think they will be the biggest buyers this summer trade deadline. Also they got rid of what supposed to be a fcking ego centric player.
All in all everyone won.
Another great video
You forgot to mention Heat as the biggest loser from the deal lmao
Nurkic when healthy is an absolute dawg
The Bucks can re-sign Holiday as a free agent next summer 🙏🏾👀
or the Blazers release him and he resigns with the Bucks?
Well, they're not going to keep Holiday, so likely another trade is coming. Bucks did give up some depth.
I think all 3 teams won the trade, and the only loser is Miami Heat
Thats your opinion bruh...and if you think the suns hot shafted, you havent been paying attention.
"always use protection" when talking about picks is a crazy thing to say lmao
Phoenix got exactly what they needed. I dont think they lost this trade at all
Listened to Kenny Beecham, Dom2K, Swishout, and now Andy Hoops on the situation.
Atleast wit nurkic you wont ever have to question his heart
Portland will make the playoffs.
Goodbye Deandre Softon.
Ayton lost all respect in the playoffs he got benched for a man off the street
Miami lost. Pat riley overplayed his card
Grayson Allen is a great role player
Always use protection 😂
Very unpopular opinion:
If haelthy, Nurkic is better than Ayton, especially as a fit in Suns, which got destroyed by Jokic, since Nurkic is a lot stronger and you need power rather than athleticism to defend Jokic.
Phoenix did a good job in this trade in my opinion
Ayton was pretty trash last playoffs and a liability in the locker room as seen past season so having some mid players will be not so bad for them.
Well Miami, obviously
Lol Jimmy was crying on Insta the other day
How did miami won? They lost their key role players. And didnt even get other players
@@cdeleon3494 This is called a joke my friend
@@lucaslonchampt613 ok
If Middleton is healthy in the playoffs, they have a chance in the east. But they have a first year coach, and no defense in the perimeter. The Heat and the Celtics are way more relatable to me.
Milwaukee easy W.
Portland gets a solid center that looks good on paper with Scoot. Jrue to flip for more assets. A promising future building potential.
Phoenix…eh. Potentially added depth and getting out of a max contract. I don’t think they got good value for Ayton though.
The Bucks won this trade 100 percent , they're the favorite to win the title thanks to this trade and that should be the goal of any franchise.
If he locks in.. Ayton could be the Greg Oden they got 2 see blossom
How the bucks build around Giannis is what the trailblazers should have done for Lillard
Lets see in a few years
I didn’t think drew would be the starting pg they had scott
After Giannis' comments, GM must have realized that they can't just leave things as they are. If Giannis were to be released, it would be the worst possible development. Even so, I was really surprised that Lillard went to the Bucks, but I personally think it was a good choice to acquire Lillard even if it means letting go of Holiday and Allen.
Bro, poor Jrue, the all star was a dejavú of what ended happening, Giannis picked Dame before him 😂😂😂
Commissioner Dynamo predicted it first!!!
Conspiracy theory: Cosgrove is Andy hoop