VAR Outside the Premier League is Even Worse.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 เม.ย. 2023
- VAR is Even Worse Outside of the Premier League...
In this video, we look at three Video Assistant Referee (VAR) Decisions, made outside the Premier League, that are extremely controversial and terrible. This is a football/soccer commentary/documentary that talks about the worst VAR decisions of all time, such as the longest ever decision made in the Bundesliga and worst ever referee decision made in the Serie A.
VAR may have controversial moments in the Premier League, but it gets way worse in the other leagues such as the Bundesliga and the Serie A. We look at incidents such as the Mainz v Freiburg 2018 Longest Ever VAR Decision that lasted 6 minutes, and the Worst VAR Decision of All Time, the Bonucci offside in Juventus vs Salernitana. This video was extremely fun to make, I hope you enjoy! - บันเทิง
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If I remember correctly then they said that the VAR desicion in Mainz against Freiburg took so long because the Refs had to check the rules if it is allowed to call back the players after the half-time whistle.
That's what I was thinking.
They had to just ask chatgpt :D
Yeah but why let context and reality get in the way of whining about something that has made the game better off overall.
This is what I thought also.
Or they spent 4 minutes arguing about who’s going to go into the locker rooms to call them back out😂
Conversations between the refs and VAR need to be made public and refs should be interviewed like mangers after game's explaining their decisions
In Italy they actually do that
Ye it should be like in rugby refs have microphones so you know what their saying
Can I just say as a referee football is significantly more subjective than rugby, so being conversations should not be public (during the game at least - after the game I mostly agree). As on interviews after the game, it would be a good idea if done well and respectfully, but could also go very pear shaped very quickly.
@paradox697 Borrow something from American football then, where they discuss the decision quietly then announce what decision they've made and why to the stadium
They also do that in the Netherlands.
That last one is just crazy. I've missed a player before in my refereeing days. Mainly because I was completely on my own, not even any linesmen, as it was my local under 11s B team, and it's a decision I still remember to this day because of how wrong I got it. I cannot even fathom of doing it in Serie A with all that technology available.
Going solely off of the first angle of the last decision, doesn't the player making an attempt on the ball from a *seemingly offside position automatically make him part of the play, meaning had he actually been offside and made the same attempt on the ball, it would have been the right call, contact or not?
1. Yes. I know the defender the officials missed kept him on, therefore it's an egregiously missed call. I understand that, and agree with that.
2. Just for clarification of my question, it's more so a hypothetical at this point, and making sure my understanding of offside isn't antiquated. A player making an attempt on the ball from an offside position still results in an offside decision, regardless of if they touch it or not, right?
@@lilroehler You are correct. As soon as there is an attempt to play the ball he is offside and the goal is ruled out. That interpretation is always applied.
However, if there is no attempt to play the ball he could be obsrtucting players or vision of defenders which is open to more intepretation.
@Francis..... I was also thinking about the obstruction as well. But as he's not obstructing the keeper's vision, had he not made an attempt on the ball, he's really only obstructing a defender who has no chance to make the play defensively himself with his position, I didn't think obstruction could have been a deciding factor.
The only part that bothered me about the guys breakdown was when he said something along the lines of "there was no cause of an offside call in the first place." Where he clearly forgot that making an attempt on the ball makes you part of the play, and if you start the play off in an offside position, the play is deemed offside.
Again, for anyone else who wants to try and argue, still looking at it from a hypothetical situation where the defender the officials missed was not keeping the guy in an onside position. I agree it's a bad call, and the player in discussion was not, in fact, offside in the actual play we watched.
Worst VAR decision of all time has now gone back to the Premier League, when Diaz scored an onside goal, the goal was given, the referee forgot to give it and carried on, and VAR didn't bother telling him lmao
Actually, the referee called a late offside which VAR didn't hear. Assuming the goal was given, they confirmed what they thought was the referee's decision (VAR doesn't use direct communication, which meant that the referees couldn't hear each other). I mean, it's egregious, but it's just a communication error rather than bad refereeing.
More of a massive cock up than a decision though.
"Because if something like this happened in the Premier League, it would be meltdown"
Then it happened.
Yay Premier League.
spurs fans have no right to talk about bad ref decisions
@@okok-ku9qy ah yes, the good old: "... fans are not allowed to have an opinion on a matter"
shit gets very old and im not even a Spurs fan nor Premier League fan.
like... if you asked me, no Fan of a club in the Prem League should have an opinion on anything tbh.
tho they still have and are totally allowed to talk about anything, cause free speech yay.
maybe hes talking about that game @@okok-ku9qy
Liverpool fan here, I'd argue that a spurs fan Has every right to have an opinion on that goal. Their side won the match and they didn't cheat to have that goal disallowed. It wasnt their fault.
VAR in 2023-24 season:
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I actually agree that Bonucci was interfering with play as both a referee and a goalkeeper. He does not need to touch it for his actions to deceive a goalkeeper in what needs to be an instinctive reactive moment for him to affect a save. Was it going in anyway? Yes, no way he was saving it. But don't jump for the ball. But missing a player like that is something I'm not sure you can come back from. That said, with Juve's history with referees it might have been a little bit of cosmic karma.
The fa rulesbook states that it's offside in the case of "clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent ", which is obviously the case since Bonucci's attempt impact not only the goalkeeper but the defenders as well. The decision was a mistake, but not because of Bonucci not touching the ball.
And actually, it's quite hard to put it on the var as well. The image shown is taken from a video made from the stands, that's because there actually wasn't a camera available to VAR showing Salernitana's player (as stated by Italia Referee Association). Of the 15 cameras present at the Stadium only one actually showed Candreva's position, the "tactical camera"(added by the clubs to their stadium for tactical study purposes), but it's recording weren't shared with Var by the whoever was working on cameras at the Allianz Stadium.
Basically: it was a pretty big fuck up, but not really made by VAR.
Source: sport.sky.it/calcio/serie-a/2022/09/12/juve-salernitana-var-fuorigioco-gol
@@neez6097 Yeah I figured if they had an angle on it it would have been caught. Hopefully that's a mistake that only needs to happen once for VAR to have mandatory camera angles that cover all the pitch for offside situations like that.
I know it's technically against the rules, but I find it difficult to go along with rules in situations like these. If Bonucci interfered but didn't change the result of play, can you really disallow the goal? To me, it goes against the spirit of the game. Yes, there might have been a different reaction, but if in any realistic scenario the result does not change, is there really any justification to the rule?
I know it's technically against the rules, but I find it difficult to go along with rules in situations like these. If Bonucci interfered but didn't change the result of play, can you really disallow the goal? To me, it goes against the spirit of the game. Yes, there might have been a different reaction, but if in any realistic scenario the result does not change, is there really any justification to the rule?
I know it's technically against the rules, but I find it difficult to go along with rules in situations like these. If Bonucci interfered but didn't change the result of play, can you really disallow the goal? To me, it goes against the spirit of the game. Yes, there might have been a different reaction, but if in any realistic scenario the result does not change, is there really any justification to the rule?
The fancy dress was a good idea until I ended up looking like a WWE referee instead of a football one…
You about to do the 1 2 3
@@guestdeluxe5674YOURE OUT
Finna give them the "You quit?" ong
ur not a refferee, ur a footlocker employee
looking like you're about to disallow a goal due to ropebreak
Thank you for watching this one, was really interesting to make❤️
Awesome video 👍
I was at the Sydney FC vs Adelaide United game (going for Sydney FC) , at first glance it seemed to be a red card. After the first replay I was laughing in my seat. I couldn’t believe the decision, the game ended 2-2.
3:37 Something like that kinda happened in Liverpool vs Tottenham
First, Diaz’s goal was onside and second, Jota’s first yellow wasn’t a foul
Newcastle 1-0 Arsenal: Ball out, Foul, Offside. At least one of them would rule the goal out. It should’ve been 0-0. there was a foul. That is objective. The ball went out. More of a subjective matter when it’s on the line. Offside. What offside? The offside that ruled out Son’s hat trick, EVERY SINGLE GOAL. Very subjective at times, but sometimes it is objective.
@@GMBlunderfish1 it was only foul
He wiped his feet in a counter attack. Ofc it is a yellow
@@r3x754 that was the other yellow
The first one he didn’t even touch him
@@Das_me he definitely touched him on the first yellow. In some of the videos you can clearly see how Udogies trips himself because of Jota touching him. And even if that situation itself doesn't necessarily means a yellow (although you cant blame the ref for giving it because of the counter attack his foul disrupted), Jota should've been booked 10-15 mins earlier for a far worse situation. So that yellow card might as well have been for accumulation of fouls.
Unfortunately in the 7 months since this was posted the perm has had much worse decisions than all of these.
It went downhill from his video. lol
the cheek slap on the gk💀 1:30
4:41 clear interfering. If there wasn't a player playing him onside, this would be the right call.
I can see it both ways. The keeper has every reason to expect that Bonucci might get to it, but he's wrong footed anyway and would never have made the save even if Bonucci wasn't there.
@@NataliePine that does not matter. As a ref we don't have to judge whether the GK would have made the save or not. In this case it is clear that the GK is at least influenced by Bonucci, which means Bonucci is interfering with play. Show this to 1000 professional referees and I'm convinced all 1000 will tell you this is interfering.
Yeah a GK could react differently even if it looked like he was never going to react, still interfering with play.
Yes but onside so the whole argument is mute
He was onside tho watch the full vid before commenting
I understand for a ref to make wrong decision with his eyes and his angle of the event but it's unforgivable for a team of people in a room with atleast 20 monitors to have a wrong or super controversial calls every week. They are not perfect but can't have more than 2 or 3 incidents a year around the whole world not 5 only in the prem this week.
The last one reminded me of how i once played fifa and tried to cross the ball but the ball never reached the other player, the opposing keeper catched the cross but offside was still given. And another one also in fifa was when i once did a through ball to a player that was offside but that player didn't touch the ball, the opposing player slightly kicked it out off play for a corner but the game still called it offside. That game ended 0-0 and it was in career mode so if I scored from that corner and if I would've gotten relegated by one point or lost the league by one point it would've been the ref's fault
no1 cares about fifa what a shit game
I was playing fifa 15 recently, and I tried doing a pass to a player that was extremely offside by mistake. An opposing player slightly nudged the ball, barely changed its direction, but the game decided that it was an opposition pass to my player up front, and I went there and scored 😂 funniest shit ever
@@ytaltacc8008 no way😂
Years ago I played a ball over the top and Kuyt was given offside even though he was in his own half.
great video mate! ❤️
Thank you, really glad you enjoyed❤️
Hate to say this but var should be like tmo in rugby where it should only change clear and obvious errors, just take offside for example, if its noticeable and blatant, no goal, if its marginal, goal stands. Handballs/penalties, it has to be clearly impeding the chance of scoring
So if there are no enemies in penalty box the defender can just pick the ball up with hands, because he's not impeding goal, sure
Thankful that you mentioned my home team (Adelaide united) but for the wrong reason
I mean we have shit refs every week
I remember that in Brazil's game against Peru, i slept when they were reviewing Richarlison's goal for offside. I woke up and it was still going on
That adobe stock video is bult DIFFERENT💀🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣
You might wanna add an epilogue for that PSG penalty against Newcastle...
The premier league saw this video and have said “Hold my beer”.
Wow the last one.. just wow.
Another problem is VAR is always more likely to just stick with the Ref's choice sometimes, and I think that bias can be seen in the second incident you showed here as well
In 2018, Melbourne Victory won the Australian national league final with an offside goal due to a VAR screw up
Here in Brazil every single VAR decision is EXTREMELY hard to sustain, because all of them take 5 or MORE minutes, a 10 minute VAR decision alreaady happened, and a lot of controversial decisioons
Cerro Porteño vs Fluminense in 2021 had a similar decision with the Serie A one, but the zoom killed the VAR assistant.
Number two isn’t even a foul. Physics is a thing. It’s called momentum.
Trust me it is, in the SPFL (the Scottish premier league) the team I support, StJohnstone FC had to get on at the referees and the Scottish premiership to view some of the footage of the refs being ridiculous. They came back and the Scottish Premiership just gave an apology admitting the decisions where terrible and shouldn’t happen again, StJohnstone FC lost tons of games though thing like natural position handballs committed by us and terrible offside rulings. StJohnstone would be like 6th or 8th or something.
This wasn't as bad as Spurs vs Liverpool and Newcastle vs Arsenal tbh.
Those two incidents were insane.
2:15 the apology happens to wolves every SINGLE WEEK
Can't forget When their goal against Liverpool in the FA cup got ruled out for Offside. Literally the same situation as Juventus.
I'm not a huge soccer fan but that was informative.
In the first example took the ref so long because they didn't know if they should get the players out of the cabin or have it taken in the second half. They pulled out the rulebook only to find out there isn't a rule.
I'm pretty late thanks to the algorithm but for me one of the worst VAR decisions was in Dortmund vs Ajax. CL group stage 21/22. Mats Hummels tried to slide tackle Antony but missed. And got a red card. But actually he didn't even touch Antony. Antony just stepped on Hummels' leg and then dived to the ground and acted like he was brutally fouled. After VAR check they didn't take it back.
Just type "Hummels red card" and you'll find it. It's a German interview but they analyze it
In Norway in the game Odd - Vålerenga, VAR spent almost 8 minutes to check for a possible offside
You should have a look at the Spanish LaLiga, Every week there are more than one incredible VAR mistakes, and nothing happens.
Rugby has TMO and they put the instant replay up for everyone including the referee to see. They are NOT afraid of controversy because they always aim to make the RIGHT decisions. Whereas football referees ran half the pitch to watch a monitor that ONLY the referee can see. If a player goes over to take even a peep, he is punished with a yellow card. Why the secrecy? If everything is above board, why are you afraid to show the data in the open? If you are afraid of fan riots, ban those fans who are hooligans! Football organizations are either incompetent or corrupt. Why else would implementing such a simple technology like VAR be such a failure?
I used to watch so much live football and now I only watch my club's highlights because VAR has completely ruined the live experience for me.
i was at the match at 2:13 and i was thinking eh??? until they replayed it from another angle inside the stadium.
Absolutely crazy FIFA need to do something about this
Juventus’ goal was actually offside until that forgotten player.
Imo the decision of the ref of Man city vs tottenham spurs to first give advantage to Man city but when Haaland gives a great pass and man city can score and win the game he blows the whistle is just outragious
The mistake on the goal of Milik was insane...
Obviously there are sometimes several different situations to check between two ref whistles and on an offside reversal decision, that explains the length of the VAR checks.
Also their cameras visualisation softwares should be improved to allow quicker video/actions browsing.
I could fully see the second one being a red in the Prem.
Which would be wrong
In the Juventus thing, without the other player at the corner there, it might have been offside, because the player doesn't have to actually play/touch the ball. It might be enough if he makes the goalkeeper think that he will play the ball and thus alter the goalkeepers decision/movement.
Bro in Grecce they have used diagonal lines for the offside check in VAR
Worst var mistake is Diaz goal Liverpool vs spurs
PGMOL really watched this video and said ‘hold my beer…’
What about Nottingham Forests Willy Bollys tackle that was clean, with the opponent standing on Bollys leg. No foul committed and Bolly showed a straight red. VAR showed that no foul was committed but still didn't recind it. 🙄🙄🙄
I see the COYS in the background 🎉🎉
Romania chilling after a player punches a player and the punched player gets a yellow 💀
The second one about the bad red card has already happened in the premier league when Mac Allister got sent off for Liverpool for what shouldnt even have been a yellow let alone a red, and once again the FA apologised and rescinded the red after the match, but the damage was done
the end reminds me of a game between the winnipeg jets and chicago blackhawks in 1993. a player on the winnipeg jets picks up the puck behind the net and throws it in the net (the puck might notve even crossed the line), the goal goes to video review and somehow is counted, and the jets won 1-0
there was Brazil game and var took 7 minutes
the last one is like niamh charles's goal vs real madrid last month in the champions league...minus the insanely missed player. (and minus var.)
Thanks to Adding juves goal. I went mental that night.
4:01 "the only time VAR as been objectively incorrect" - what about the Sheffield Utd - Aston Villa goal that wasn't given?
For that third case, the game should run a couple of seasons without the offside rule and this type of gaff would not be a question. Outfield players would have to adapt to cover poaching. Question is only whether poaching or the offside trap is worse for the game.
Team were on the coach ready to head back home but the ref stood
In front of the coach and said guys you still have a penalty to take 😂😂😂
The SPFL IS TERRIBLE
To be fair to that first one, I think its better they take their time and go back to rectify their mistake compared to that Liverpool VAR incident where they said that is impossible to do and you get this massive scandal as a result
yeah but as a freiburg fan (the dudes in purple from the first clip) i gotta say its okay that it takes long, but why would you walk off the pitch while the var check. thats fkg nonsense
in league one, bolton played forest green rovers, and in the buildup Elias Kachunga literally punched someone in the stomach. The ref stopped play and talked to the linesman, and he said that Dion Charles was the one that punched the player and he got a red card
You should have a look at the SPL. Some of the VAR decisions are utterly comical!!
need to rethink this post after this years VAR in the prem. For one Luiz Diaz offside ? errm .. nope ..
good video.
Hilarious that I get this video in my feed now, when the PL has succeeded in beating the worst decision ever. The Liverpool goal being disallowed against Tottenham (who this guy appears to support) is now easily the worst decision ever. The 5 minutes VAR took to award Crystal Palace a PK against…yes…Liverpool also has to be considered the longest VAR decision because it was 5 minutes of play!
So in Norway there was a VAR decision that tok 7 minutes ...
"If something like this happened in the premier league, it would be meltdown." Me looking over the past few months at the worse decisions ever made.
Change the offside rule to the players GPS transponder being beyond the nearest defenders GPS transponder and that settles the matter much quicker.
Terrible, nightmarishly dystopian idea. Would you like that for yourself or your loved ones. Sometimes I think there must be an ulterior agenda going on as how can so many obvious errors be occurring at this rate. Such as the furtherance of the aforementioned or perhaps something else.
@@J3diMindTrix We have goal line technology, which has worked very well and the players already wear GPS transponders, in case you hadn't already noticed. So it wouldn't take much to use them to get fast and accurate offside decisions, which must be a nightmare for linesmen to get right.
@@zig_ziggy I get your point but even with the wearing of gps transponders and VAR, incorrect decisions are still being made. I see nothing to justify how much it's ruined the game and the enjoyment it's taken out of people's lives; it was supposed to be for only the most egregious of errors and goal line tech but of course the authority in charge of it has sought to expand its powers, no surprise there. If it's obvious to everyone else in the ground within seconds why does it take the supposed 'professionals' for instance say around 5 minutes for them to conclude that, WITH the equipment at their disposal.. it's almost like something else is going on, something untoward, even suspect potentially ?
Also football is something that is popular across the whole of society with staggeringly huge viewership and engagement so if there was anywhere for the deep state to trial yet another Orwellian surveillance technique it would be there. Kid : 'my hero (player x) has got a transponder! can I have one too?' Dad : ' course you can dear'. Would you want that?
I'm sure Milik was sent off after getting a second yellow for taking his shirt off as well, there were quite a few suspect decisions in that game.
now updated with some cl shenanigans like the penalty for psg vs newcastle 😂
the last guy learned from Luisão
Surprised to not see the portuguese var here
TH vs Lpool VAR in the EPL says `hold my beer`
I'm a Serie A fan or you could say a Juventus one. But the V.A.R in the Italian league is absolute rubbish, Including the Referees . Italians normally complain after a match about a bad refereeing decision
Plus the last one wasn't too crazy, I have seen something similar to it. In terms of a player not being counted in
VAR for liverpool spurs game after watching this video, “hold my beer”
shoutout to peterborough at 1:24
The game between Mainz and Freiburg was the first season with the VAR - so I wouldn't take that as an example.
Oh no. An important decision at the literal start of using VAR took 6 minutes. Oh no.
I imagine Wolves fans might have something to say about the video title
If Bonucci was offside, they’d have been right to disallow it because making a movement towards the ball or attempting to play it counts as interfering
Until Diaz. 🤣
I had a goal disallowed simply because my tongue was hanging out in an offside position.
Srsly I'm a ref myself and I think it should be allowed to correct scores after the game if its due something THAT wrong
You don't think trying to head the ball affects the goalkeeper?
Bonucci is cleary active in that situation. He doesn't need to touch the ball to be active. He is active, because he goes activaly to the ball, which confronts the goalkeeper not doing his save properly, because the GK has to rethink if Bonucci can chance the direction or not. Bonucci even had a challenge with the defender, which makes him active, because the ball goes directly to the challenge. For that two active points against GK and defender Bonucci would make it as an active offside situation... but yeah... the defender which is not shown by the VAR makes them all onside XD
I think the biggest problem for VAR, especially in Premier League, is the inconsistency of their standards of what should be penalized or not. Exactly the same circumstance can have two completely different VAR decision in different matches, or even during the same match. You can be shit refereeing for every matches, then every teams suffer. But it is the worst when you are having double standards, making this completely unfair for those teams who was penalized from the decision while some teams were in favor of the referee's decisions for the exact same context.
Honestly, Bonucci did interfeer with the play. The keeper is waiting on him to connect with the ball and when he doesnt its to late to make the save.
The first problem for me isn't the length it's the fact they went to half time
in the peruvian league they take 10-15 minutes everytime they have to check var and im not even joking. its very normal to see penalties scored in the 90+9 minute or more, even if its an obvious call.
If you make an attempt to play the ball you ARE interfering with play, even if you miss the ball, but, not seeing the player playing him onside is a disgrace. Not as bad as the Liverpool’s Diaz offside decision against Tottenham though, my God that was the hight of incompetence.
Regarding Juventus-Salernitana match, the referee's association didn't even apologise...
Premier League referees watching this video: challenge accepted! check complete!
I don't know makeing a mistake is excusable but simly not checking offside??? I don't know anymore...
You missed Lautaro Martinez "offside" vs Saudi Arabia in 2022 WC
We have a lot worse recently in PL and we have introduced human error on the pitch with another worse lot of human error. Need to het rid as rather have the old system myself with no delays
The issue with VAR and even Referee, is that the rules have exceptions like which part of the body will be considered for offside or is the arm in a natural position. This creates subjective judgement which causes issues.
I think the best way so people can’t really complain is to make it very simple. For offside, any part of the body, like that a computer can automatically call offside within a few seconds without user intervention, unless camera view is obscured. For hand ball, it does not matter what happens, if the ball hits someone’s hand and the hands is not by someone side, back or in front of the body tuck into their chest then hand ball. Make it simple and then people would not be able to complain.
Love the outfit pal