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I am from Latvia. My classmates and I visited an old Soviet bunker once. There was a huge map we could look at but were forbidden to photograph...and there I found my tiny county home marked there in better detail than the land deed I have
As an actual Russian cartographer, I can say that most of the map making was military founded so they had put all the info they could find. For example distance between trees, that was mentioned, goes with average height and width, which is used for determining whether tanks could easily go through it.
Is it true that the civilian maps were intentionally less accurate than the military maps? I read that even maps used for roadbuilding and major projects were still less accurate than the military ones.
@@mangoitaliano1757 He thinks the UK faked the attack. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a flat-earther too....
I worked in Afghanistan in 2006 and 2007, in a job that required having some grasp of Afghan geography. The most useful maps I managed to get hold of were Russian topographic maps (a few digitised sheets of which, I still have on this laptop, along with a cyrillic / english table)
@@Klaevin classified by the Russians? I doubt it because I probably wouldn't have had copies if they were.. But who knows. I don't remember where they came from.
@@alek_42 Makes it more interesting. Without the unexpected bar of 5/4 at the end it would be too plain and forgettable, since the melody is very simplistic.
In Russia, cold War military maps are still widely used for tourism/alpine climbing. And although most of them are 50 years old, they are incredibly accurate, and you can navigate by them without any problems
Да, настолько экурейт что патау в 2022 году додумались начинать вторжение, ориентируясь по ним и не понимая, откуда взялись новые районы, пропали, старые и что это вообще за населенные пункты с совсем другими названиями?
I can picture the then Soviets facetiously claiming to have SONAR satellites, for the sole purpose of getting the U.S. to waste millions of dollars and years of research just to see if it's possible.. all in the name of one-ups-manship
seeing the polish phonetic map of the UK reminds me of a map of Poland in my old GCSE Geography textbook where half the towns had spelling mistakes I guess the score is 1:1?
"The US used old Russian maps to properly invade Afghanistan." This is more common than people think. When the US invaded the West Indies island of Grenada in 1983, they bumrushed the whole thing & the island was low priority for the CIA. So the Army rushed to bookstores & got tourist maps that would serve as their navigation; try to get accurate distances between locations & photocopy the crap out of them for distribution. They also gathered issues of The Economist to get any intelligence on the island they were about to invade. There were other things (like the first use & crashes of Blackhawk helicopters) that made this one of the most absurdly hapless wars the US ever fought.
An invasion that the people of Grenada still use as a scary story to tell their children. One of my primary school teachers was Grenadian and she scared the sense into us with those accounts.
@@kazmark_gl8652 Exactly. You'd think the Caribbean desk would have something to scramble to special forces considering not much else was going on there at the time. In the eternal wisdom of the White House they rushed through the whole thing to keep the 'element of surprise.' The only reason this didn't turn into a FUBAR catastrophe was sending special forces & overwhelming force. And even then had far higher casualties than expected.
Guy from DoD: 50,000 grenada maps plase that old guy from the map store: why so many though sir? Guy from DoD: ah it's nothing, just a small invasion to latin american nation
So... I just watched the intro of every Map Men episode. The usual "map men map men map map map men men" (2 "men" at the end) is sung 8 times and these are the irregularities: - Ep.5 (Berlin Wall): 3 "men" at the end - Ep. 6 (South China Sea): a pause between the two "men" - Ep.10 (France & triangles): "hommes carte hommes carte hommes hommes hommes carte carte" which funnily translates to "men map" instead of "map men" - Ep. 11 (times zones): 3 "men" with a pause between the 2nd and 3rd of them - Ep. 13 (British place names): and extra "map" before the regular 2 "men" - Ep. 14 (this one): 1 "men" ...ANARCHY! Yes, I do have more important things to do indeed.
> which funnily translates to "men map" instead of "map men" French generally puts adjectives after the noun, like "chat noir" -> literally "cat black" instead of "black cat". Although, "map" is a noun functioning as an adjective, which I believe requires a conjunction like "de" or "à", but I'm not fluent so I'm not sure.
@@WilliamAndrea Yeah, I'm not fluent either, but I don't think you can normally compound nouns like that. Especially since adjectives are supposed to agree in gender and plurality.
NO! NO! NO! Many people say I am sick in the head. NOOOO!!!! I don't believe them. But there are so many people commenting this stuff on my videos, that I have 1% doubt. So I have to ask you right now: Do you think I am sick in the head? Thanks for helping, my dear fran
I remember when I did geography at uni, we had a Russian exchange student and she mentioned that unlike most of the world, in Russia, geography was considered as important if not more than your standard STEM subjects like maths, physics, chemistry, etc.
Not really. Math and russian language are the most important subjects in the russian schools. Physics, biology, geography, history, informatics, chemistry are bit less important. Geography it is not only maps,it's also about economics, culture and may be even a bit about history. Chemistry is mostly theoretical, without labs, and it's sad to say that most of us don't remember anything but periodic table of elements we here in russia proudly call mendeleev table. This table we love almost as much as the maps. (Mr putin, please do not consider this comment as the high treason)
Maybe it depends on the time, but in the last two decades geography is subject with one of the least priorities in Russian schools. This year only 3% of school-leavers chose geography as the final exam (they determine the future program in the uni) - it was the last place among all subjects.
When they only say a single “Men” after the “Map, Map, Map” part: “My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.” EDIT: You hear that, Jay? Even Mark’s telling you to fix it!
Jay would never allow that. There has to be a clear line between ad and content in his videos. The video always has a black screen for a second or so before the ad starts. And I think that's admirable.
@@MarceldeJong never even noticed that... Guess I watch too much youtube... I mean if that was tier zoo or real life lore it would've been a VPN add for sure... instead left wondering wtf as the actual add hits
Actually, figuring out the average distance between trees could be figured out by simply walking through the forest in question. Measure the length of your stride, then just count the number of steps between trees. Anybody who sees you would just see someone taking a stroll.
@@michaelfordsham2715 Given that it would be for a strategic reason, I doubt technical semantics were relevant. Probably more to do with moving or emplacing vehicles or artillery.
@@jaye1967Someone in the comments mentioned it was combined with average height and width of trees in order to figure out whether you could send a tank through.
I've known about this for a couple years and a hilarious detail about it is their prioritization of certain countries over others, for example: on a map of New York it goes into meticulous detail regarding the carry weight of the Brooklyn bridge but on map of the navy headquarters in Copenhagen it features a warehouse sized building that was demolished in the 1700s and an entire dock that never existed to begin with.
@@JJLiu-xc3kg If the Cold War went hot though I’d’ve loved to have seen the documentaries about the battle where the Russians lost because they tried to capture a port that never existed
@@theshinygoldenemperor2422 Moscow, 1949. After the Berlin Blockade escalated into direct conflict between East and West Joseph Stalin unleashed rapid invasion plans, Soviet scientists announce the successful development of nuclear bombs. Nervous, scientists decide to test on Copenhagen, intending to permanently irradiate the Baltic Sea and prevent any naval invasion of the Baltic States. Then, day of-it detonated harmlessly into the ocean. Stunned, Soviets realise too late cartographer Ivan Nikolayevich Yakovlev had mapped a nonexistent port. But before he is hanged for treason against the state, Soviet radars detect a series of atom bombs headed for Moscow, Leningrad and every major Eastern Bloc city from Sofia to Stalingrad.
About 5 years ago, while I was studying at university we still used the soviet general staff maps (Карты Генштаба) in the classroom on geographic information systems. We were digitizing by hand topographical points and lines, buildings, body of water etc. This part of lab work cost me couple of sleepless nights)
There is a great 1970s Russian map of Wellington NZ. It has every building in all the Quarters and the Parliamentary Precinct, all the companies that were in that building, and even little notes on what you could buy from shops at every location. Someone in the Soviet Embassy really really liked maps and spent a lot of time doing it, and updating it.
imagine that, a country giving its taxpayers what they paid for and not just appointing "good ole boys" as embassy staff, imagine that!!!! oh you are an commonwealth slave, of course you cant understand that as you are regarded less valuable than sheep you herd for your masters :D tell me, what NZ embassy in my country, Croatia does for you? Issues papers when you loose your passport on vacation? dont you think they should be doing more than just waiting for you to loose your passport?
I mean, if I was a soviet spy in NZ, I'd rather walk around drawing buildings and what's inside them, and also would talk to nice people (and Hobbits as well), than be a pencil pusher in some badly heated Moscow office with laughable salary.
«Ру́сское географи́ческое о́бщество» - географическое общество России, основанное 6 августа 1845 года. Одно из старейших географических обществ мира после Парижского, Берлинского и Лондонского.
@@ArthurD why were they badly heated? the heating was and still is good. Soviet Union didnt lack energy resources. It wasnt certainly laughable. What a bunch of myths one can procure.
The maps of the USSR are amazing! I've hiked multiple times in Urals and Siberia, and every time I used topographic maps produced by the Red Army HQ (aka Genshtab maps). Over the years they've became a de-facto standard for Russian hikers
дааа.. бл.. я тоже по ним гулял.. половины дорог нет.. и дохрена новых, там где по карте должна быть глухая тайга.. хорошо, что у нас была железная привязка к местности на севере в виде огромного озера, а то мы бы загрустили на маршруте..
@@zztopz7090 Both sides had accurate maps, it was just that the Soviet secretaries went overboard with secrecy, so they led to the result that their own did not have accurate maps
Fun fact - During the Cold War, an extensive invasion plan of the entire Europe was drawn up, with orders for each satelite state, such as "You invade this place and you do this thing to this building". Which is why the maps are in polish - Poland was supposed to take the northern route through Denmark and into England. If I remember correctly, Czechoslovakia had its endgoal in Paris (Been a while since Ive been taught the Cold War so I might be mistaken). Of course, this plan was not meant for an offensive, but a counterattack in case of a NATO invasion.
@@pureaidswithmemes8053 Wait so if the East wasn't actually the Big Bad, but the West was just as bad as the East, that means they were both equally bad?
The absolutely best ad integrations ever seen on youtube! In fact, watching your ad blocks is as much fun as watching the rest of your videos! Great job!:)
Yet it is the U.S. that provides the best maps of other planets in the Solar System to ESA, Japan, China, India, and Russia to use to plot out their planetary landing and rover missions.
Important note: to help them invade _Europe_ I heard this from leftist Twitter, so take it with a grain of salt, but apparently we've never uncovered any USSR plans for the invasion of America. Given the fact that we have _American_ plans for the invasion of _Britain_ (seriously, Half as Interesting did a video on it, look it up) we're fairly certain that the Soviets had no desire to invade the US, or at least understood the military impossibility of such an invasion.
@@Sammie1053 There is alleged cold-war plans for a Soviet invasion of the US, but as you said it seems that the Soviets were pretty well aware how impractical this was. It appears their plan in a conventional war would be to capture Germany and have enough momentum that France would pressure the UK to accept a peace with the Soviets securing a far more desirable bufferzone. Their conflict with the UK and US would primarily be focused on their colonies/foreign puppets or friendly nations, and long range bomb campaigns, which for most of the cold war wouldn't have been effective (the Soviets enjoyed only brief periods of being significantly enough more advanced with their aircraft to have been able to seriously threaten the US mainland with a widespread bombing campaign). Bombing the UK would have been plausible however. I would take left-twitter takes on the USSR with a grain of salt most of the time as you said. Too many people are more interested in rabidly defending a union that doesn't exist anymore and when it did was active in imperialism, industrialism and the seizing of resources from borderline colonized areas, than actually finding practical ways to make people's lives better. The USSR may have been ideologically different in many ways to the west but they were still first and foremost driven by a greed for profit and domination (of resources and people). As with the US, they realized little was to be gained from a world war, but a lot could be gained through proxy wars and influencing minor nations. Countries like Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan and much of South America were (and are) seen more like playgrounds to major powers, than the homelands of millions of innocent people. Two sides of the same coin when you look past the branding of "freedom" and "communism" (of which each respectively failed to achieve). This of course is not to dismiss the legitimate fears during the cold war. Nuclear weapons are not bargaining chips and the aforementioned lust for power and profit very nearly did reach nuclear war. Definitely two sides. Just one coin.
As someone who studied at a cartographic college in Russia, I can say that many maps were compiled using aerial photography and satellites. A huge amount of work was done in the USSR to improve this method. And an unlimited number of man-hours were spent on image analysis. A clear system of state standards made maps and engineering plans as identical as possible, even from different sources.
@@MagikMako i know im very late, but technically it's not really "hye", unless "y" is silent ('cos Russian "е" doesn't always have the "y" sound at the beginning) and fun fact: in Russian there are 3 ways to laugh - хаха (haha), хехе (h[e]h[e], with vowel like middle of "hey"), and хихи (h[i]h[i], with vowel like in "his")
@@MagikMako let's talk in IPA then. there's no meaningful difference between long [i:] and short [ɪ] in Russian, so i wasn't caring about that either. And as far as I can tell, "хе" is pronounced [xe], not [xje] (i might have butchered some close variations, but i def know that Russian х and english h are different) in Russian terms, "hye" sounds to me like "хье"/"хйе", not "хе"
I once worked doing desk studies for land to check it wasn't contaminated, and we would get a report with a series of old maps to compare so you could say, in 1900, it was farm land, in 1950, it was a factory, and then find potential contamination sources. It usually included one Russian map and I was always surprised at how detailed that map was.
You'd be surprised how many viruses scan the system they are about to encrypt for settings like cyrillic script or time zone.. even russian hackers don't want to mess with russia and this is by far the easiest way to rpevent... accidents... or at least prevent ending up in a russian prison. Mostly. Maybe. Perhaps. Who knows, the internet is wild.
05:10 - сильно улыбнуло, с ноткой сожаления о правдивости истории (за бесценок сдавали секреты). 05:10 - smiled strongly, with a note of regret about the veracity of the story (secrets were handed over for nothing).
3:20 so now I'm imagining a wacky Cold War comedy-thriller where a group of KGB agents infiltrate the "residence of the Queen" and kidnap Her Majesty--who is in fact just an actress playing her...
My elderly neighbor outside DC was an American cartographer for the Defence Mapping Agency. He showed me a few declassified maps of Moscow that were nearly as detailed that he made. He joked he knew his way around the USSR better than his home town. For fun he made one of where we lived that had everything on it, every out building and fence. While ours may not have been as detailed what he could, or just did show me was amazing. He joked about Google Maps replacing his young coworkers.
Это были очень тяжелые времена, без плана в сортир не сходить. Для этого нужны детализированные карты двора с точным местоположением скоплений гололеда.
@@Mr.Coconut007 He joked about it: "These were very tough times, you couldn't even go to the outside latrine without a detailed topographic map. For this you needed detailed maps of the yard with exactly marked locations of ice-crusted ground" ("gololyod" in Russian - a frequent weather condition in the winter, where a thin layer of snow would melt on a relatively warm winter day and then rapidly freeze on the next, much colder, day, thus creating extremely slippery ice surfaces).
The Map Men and Unfinished London series are pretty unusual in that they are consistently funny over a verrry long period of time (in youtube terms anyway). Which means that you get comments and replies from people years apart as new people discover the channel, and so the comment stream itself is like a snapshot of social history. This one is particularly interesting given recent events in Ukraine, but there's was a similar timewarp effect on one of the ones released during Covid, where future people were giving updates on historic comments.
In my childhood, there were plenty of old Soviet military maps in my house. It was s general source of paper (to cover books etc). And they were way more detailed comparing with your examples.
You can actually download most of the maps. The maps showed in the video are tactical maps. They were treated as top secret but were abundantly available at all major military bases. A lot of those were left behind after the Russian military left Germany. the last time I checked it was missing SE Asia and Australia. there was an online project where Russian users were scanning and loading maps since those are often used by hikers (there are maps of Russia as well often outlining secret objects - like the secret highways to be used for troops transportion around Moscow) most of the maps were regularly updated. However, as the video suggests it is not terribly accurate - for example they reference Hounslow Heath airport instead of Heathrow.
I've never been to Tunbridge Wells, but according to the Rutles' song "24 Hours In Tunbridge Wells", it's more exciting than a book by Norman Mailer. Nothing to do with maps, but I feel it's in the general spirit of The Map Men to provide that extra little nugget of information.
@@usvalve Well it does have a naturally formed standing stone in the shape of a toad, some naturally formed climbing cliffs, the wells of course (where you can take the water) and it is home to hardcore punk band Anti Nowhere League, who are still going. Oh, and it also has a road called "Mount Ephraim" and the town is royal. (My grandma lived there, that's how I know this stuff).
When I was at school in the 1970s by far the best, biggest, most comprehensive and most detailed atlas in the school library was Polish, produced for the Polish military. Not only did it have the transliterated place names for major features it also gave those in Cyrillic characters in parentheses. Another odd feature was it's binding. The map sheets were individual with four large holes through which four brass posts secured then to the binding. The posts could be unscrewed, letting them all fall out - and that was quite fund getting back together. At the time no one had any idea how it had come to be in the library. Sadly when the school closed in 2011 and I had the opportunity to go and look it was no longer there - with no one any more aware of where it had gone than they had been about its origins. A great shame.
Thank you Jay, you have consistently provided high quality education and entertainment of millions. I imagine you've been working hard recently, especially with the more consistent uploads as of late, I and many other people appreciate this effort, just know, we all love and admire you as a person and as a content creator
I have Genshtab (Military USSR) maps loaded on my smartwatch. It's the best and most detailed map you could possibly find for any location for tourism, sport or invasion 😅
Wired had an extensive article on the subject. Not only UK maps but the ENTIRE WORLD maps. When companies began building GSM networks in the 90's throughout Africa and Asia they used old Soviet maps to set up networks. I worked making GIS applications pre Googlemaps for Vodafone Greece and I have a soft spot for geomapping content.
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ill do it because you are jay foreman
and you are intresting
How do you have a comment 25mins ago the vid just came out a sec prior
Why does it take you so long to post a video
@@Lee247Jamaica i think because of the editing, script, organization (etc)
Can you do another live stream concert. I loved the last one you did.
I am from Latvia. My classmates and I visited an old Soviet bunker once. There was a huge map we could look at but were forbidden to photograph...and there I found my tiny county home marked there in better detail than the land deed I have
Woah,that gotta be so cool!
Lol, thats a little depressing that Russian spies can mark a house on a map better than the people who built/own the house/land. 😂
👍😁😆
That’s insane
@@magpiesign4748 well in soviet era they didn't have to use spies to mark a soviet home on soviet land :p
There was only 1 “men” in the intro we’ve descended into chaos
potato
Map, map, map map map men
ikr i sang along expecting a second "men" but i was left finishing that last syllable on my own
we should start a riot. @startariot #starariot
They are watering down "Map Men"! I will not stand for it!
Soon it will only be "Men" and no "Map"!
It's wrong having the single 'men' at the end of the intro.
They haven’t secured a Men budget for 2021 yet, so they have to conserve as many as possible until then.
Keeps you on your toes.
It's 3 or no deal
They gave us an extra ‘map’ in the last video so that makes up for it
It hurt me on the inside.
"Today the conflict between East and West is now at satisfactory levels" is not a quote that has aged well lol
maybe too well
"Nuke em'"
Thought the same thing
I'd say it aged fine. What they said about their "today" was true. Now if they had said, "from this point forward"...
it's especially weird noticed that the two next levels on the lower side of the dial are painted yellow and blue
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
As an actual Russian cartographer, I can say that most of the map making was military founded so they had put all the info they could find. For example distance between trees, that was mentioned, goes with average height and width, which is used for determining whether tanks could easily go through it.
Thanks for the confirmation comrade!
damn thats so cool
Is it true that the civilian maps were intentionally less accurate than the military maps? I read that even maps used for roadbuilding and major projects were still less accurate than the military ones.
th-cam.com/video/t6EIDksAzAs/w-d-xo.html russia got those maps for 400years___
@@asicdathens sort of depends on country really but usually yes except for topographic maps they're the same normally except for buildings etc
Vlad: ‘’I’m a Russian Spy.’’
Natalia: ‘’Oooh that sounds bad ass, field?’’
Vlad: ‘’yeah fields, roads, buildings, we draw everything really.’’
being a spy sounds pathetic. Everyone hates them
“Bad ass Vlad” gay movie about UASSASSASSR spy in America and his adventures
@@dalbaeb4594 what’s wrong with being gay
@@vibechecker1994 all is ok
@@dalbaeb4594 lmao nice name
The Soviet maps warmly recommends the 123-metre spire of Salisbury.
@@averagerussiaenjoyer6114 the fuck are you on about
Yeah and nearby Porton Down, research cluster of Ministry of Defence.
@@averagerussiaenjoyer6114 faked what?
@@mangoitaliano1757 He thinks the UK faked the attack. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's a flat-earther too....
@@averagerussiaenjoyer6114 piss off ya fool.
I worked in Afghanistan in 2006 and 2007, in a job that required having some grasp of Afghan geography. The most useful maps I managed to get hold of were Russian topographic maps (a few digitised sheets of which, I still have on this laptop, along with a cyrillic / english table)
damm, those maps aren't classified, are they?
@@Klaevin classified by the Russians? I doubt it because I probably wouldn't have had copies if they were.. But who knows. I don't remember where they came from.
@@WillKemp I mean, classified by the US. They love classifying everything
@@Klaevin True. But I doubt even the US could succesfully classify Russian data
Pilots in Afghanistan were using Russian maps when supporting infantry because they were more accurate early on than what anyone else had
2:24 I like how they went to space just to film that one shot
Funny joke everyone knows earth is flat 😂
Funny joke, everyone knows that earth is round
Karen....
The earths a frikin patato 🥔!!
The earth is a triangle
@@thomaswang4427 But, it's not,... Ok.
Fun video. Well done!
i can rest peacefully knowing smarter every day is a fan of map men
Yes, a good video indeed!
Hello Destin!!!
@@mclanee "fan" is a bit rich, he apparently just found out they exist (Tweet).
@@woutervanr An instant fan, then
I think my brain had a spasm when there was only one “men” and it actually made musical sense for once.
Likewise I had to rewind and check I'd heard it right (wrong. Right? Wrongright?)
@@pete3767 Wright
I said "men men men" like some priest
I think 2 "men" makes more musical sense actually
@@alek_42 Makes it more interesting. Without the unexpected bar of 5/4 at the end it would be too plain and forgettable, since the melody is very simplistic.
In Russia, cold War military maps are still widely used for tourism/alpine climbing. And although most of them are 50 years old, they are incredibly accurate, and you can navigate by them without any problems
Да, настолько экурейт что патау в 2022 году додумались начинать вторжение, ориентируясь по ним и не понимая, откуда взялись новые районы, пропали, старые и что это вообще за населенные пункты с совсем другими названиями?
@@akdele5 я от хорош, а вот 66к Ванек уже нет
@@maksimfedoryak м-м, что за число?
@@akdele5 да так, ничего страшного, просто ядро армии рфии уничтожено в степах Украины
@@maksimfedoryak россии*
I'm not sure SONAR works in space
Ohh! Great to see you here doc. Your channel is awesome as well
I can picture the then Soviets facetiously claiming to have SONAR satellites, for the sole purpose of getting the U.S. to waste millions of dollars and years of research just to see if it's possible.. all in the name of one-ups-manship
Well spotted!
I'm so glad someone spotted that! :)
I genuinely feel rather star struck to have replies from BOTH Map Men. It's enough excitement to make a Russian spy blow his cover. Спасибо!
seeing the polish phonetic map of the UK reminds me of a map of Poland in my old GCSE Geography textbook where half the towns had spelling mistakes
I guess the score is 1:1?
That sounds fair!
O kurde Graf
I love how in an alternative reality the Poles invade England, what would London be called... Łondowy?
Londyn
@@Dan-yr7zn No, it would be called "Londyn" because that's what Polish speakers call London
I'd love to see how they got on with a phonetic map of Wales.
Лланваирпиллгингиллгогерукоирндробоилллантисилиогогогоч ...fuck! that was hard (and probably inaccurate).
Hahaha, I just uploaded it to Google translate, I wasn't far off and it is fucking HILARIOUS hearing it in a female Russian accent.
They'd have had a hard time invading Wales on that basis.
Блин, это было сложно, ведь кому нужна фонетическая постоянность, нахуй это да, уельсцы?
@@kirmerk8282 Валлийский - респектабельный язык, внимание! Мое правописание было безупречным ;-)
"The baddies, or as we in britain call them, the goodies"
Why British called them goodies?
@@chenyeanmingtakumi9033 did you watch the video?
They said England, not Britain btw
"The US used old Russian maps to properly invade Afghanistan." This is more common than people think. When the US invaded the West Indies island of Grenada in 1983, they bumrushed the whole thing & the island was low priority for the CIA. So the Army rushed to bookstores & got tourist maps that would serve as their navigation; try to get accurate distances between locations & photocopy the crap out of them for distribution. They also gathered issues of The Economist to get any intelligence on the island they were about to invade. There were other things (like the first use & crashes of Blackhawk helicopters) that made this one of the most absurdly hapless wars the US ever fought.
An invasion that the people of Grenada still use as a scary story to tell their children. One of my primary school teachers was Grenadian and she scared the sense into us with those accounts.
you'd think with insane and classified CIA budget they could hire a cartographer once in a while.
Ah yes the Soviets only planned to invade the us actually invaded
@@kazmark_gl8652 Exactly. You'd think the Caribbean desk would have something to scramble to special forces considering not much else was going on there at the time. In the eternal wisdom of the White House they rushed through the whole thing to keep the 'element of surprise.' The only reason this didn't turn into a FUBAR catastrophe was sending special forces & overwhelming force. And even then had far higher casualties than expected.
Guy from DoD: 50,000 grenada maps plase
that old guy from the map store: why so many though sir?
Guy from DoD: ah it's nothing, just a small invasion to latin american nation
So... I just watched the intro of every Map Men episode.
The usual "map men map men map map map men men" (2 "men" at the end) is sung 8 times and these are the irregularities:
- Ep.5 (Berlin Wall): 3 "men" at the end
- Ep. 6 (South China Sea): a pause between the two "men"
- Ep.10 (France & triangles): "hommes carte hommes carte hommes hommes hommes carte carte" which funnily translates to "men map" instead of "map men"
- Ep. 11 (times zones): 3 "men" with a pause between the 2nd and 3rd of them
- Ep. 13 (British place names): and extra "map" before the regular 2 "men"
- Ep. 14 (this one): 1 "men" ...ANARCHY!
Yes, I do have more important things to do indeed.
> which funnily translates to "men map" instead of "map men"
French generally puts adjectives after the noun, like "chat noir" -> literally "cat black" instead of "black cat". Although, "map" is a noun functioning as an adjective, which I believe requires a conjunction like "de" or "à", but I'm not fluent so I'm not sure.
@@WilliamAndrea Yeah, I'm not fluent either, but I don't think you can normally compound nouns like that. Especially since adjectives are supposed to agree in gender and plurality.
@@WilliamAndrea Many languages place adjectives after the word they modify.
@@WilliamAndrea yes, it should be "hommes de cartes"
@@MediocreHexPeddler Yes in Welsh you say car green, not green car
when is the intro going to just be "map map map map map map map map map"
I want it to be "men map men map men men men map map"
NO! NO! NO! Many people say I am sick in the head. NOOOO!!!! I don't believe them. But there are so many people commenting this stuff on my videos, that I have 1% doubt. So I have to ask you right now: Do you think I am sick in the head? Thanks for helping, my dear fran
that's an interesting way of spelling, "men men men men men men men men men"
@@AxxLAfriku shut
And eventually just "map"
I remember when I did geography at uni, we had a Russian exchange student and she mentioned that unlike most of the world, in Russia, geography was considered as important if not more than your standard STEM subjects like maths, physics, chemistry, etc.
Not really. Math and russian language are the most important subjects in the russian schools. Physics, biology, geography, history, informatics, chemistry are bit less important. Geography it is not only maps,it's also about economics, culture and may be even a bit about history. Chemistry is mostly theoretical, without labs, and it's sad to say that most of us don't remember anything but periodic table of elements we here in russia proudly call mendeleev table.
This table we love almost as much as the maps.
(Mr putin, please do not consider this comment as the high treason)
@@ivanmoskvin7638 hell nah, this is treason, I'll go and write a denunciation
Russia is traditionally pushing hard on STEM too. Because someone has to bulid the rockets.
Maybe it depends on the time, but in the last two decades geography is subject with one of the least priorities in Russian schools. This year only 3% of school-leavers chose geography as the final exam (they determine the future program in the uni) - it was the last place among all subjects.
@@figel_a9 well that's cause only a select number of unis need geography as your major, it's only natural
I like how the conflict meter has ‘Not in the Christmas card list’ and ‘Nuke ‘em!’ with no gap between them
05:56
Now that *did* escalate quickly! 😂
Just in case operation sealion 2.0 needs to happen...
5:56 I loved the very British "might wave at them" but... WHAT ARE "REGULAR DMs"?
@@ixlnxs direct messages. Not Doc Martens 🤪
Britian: Here's a map of my country.
Russia: Here's a better and more detailed map of your country that you don't know of.
Britian: What the f-
Lol
Russian fighter jets frequently fly over the British isles.
Shadowed by Typhoons!!
@@AOmar2305 UK: i dont think thats better.
@@AOmar2305 oh yeah. Russian accent. The only thing they can do accordingly to popular stereotype
Russia: ..and btw its Britain and is not a country.
@@Timsturbs UK: how did you do that?
*HAVE YOU BEEN SPYING ON ME?*
When they only say a single “Men” after the “Map, Map, Map” part:
“My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.”
EDIT: You hear that, Jay? Even Mark’s telling you to fix it!
I actually shivered when Jay sent me the first edit of this
Least you can quote report of the week
Pretty sure it’s the make up for the three ‘men’s in the last one
@@ohyeahitsthatguy9454.
What do you mean “make up”? There are *never* enough “Men”s in the title!
@@markcooper-jones7494 don't worry, next time, we will have a whole minute dedicated to "men-men-men..."
Вы угадали, в данный момент я сижу в вашем компьютере и составляю карту материнской платы....
Здарова, русский хакер!🤩
@@niiv9747 Hello
Да ладно, Фиксики работают на Кремль?
На здоровье! Водка балалайка
@@Tuziaka Бабушка, медведи.
Bonus points for going with "кошмар" instead of the usual Russian words that people like to occasionally add into their speech!
cow map
cow map
kow map
@@whooshifgay Koshmar
Also, whoosh
@@whooshifgay wooosh. Now lets get this party started!!
Edit: gay spelling mistakes.
6:03 "There could be a Russian spy hiding in your computer right now." I was half expecting this to turn into a VPN ad.
Jay would never allow that. There has to be a clear line between ad and content in his videos. The video always has a black screen for a second or so before the ad starts. And I think that's admirable.
@@MarceldeJong never even noticed that... Guess I watch too much youtube... I mean if that was tier zoo or real life lore it would've been a VPN add for sure... instead left wondering wtf as the actual add hits
@@MarceldeJong That's the other half: Jay's ad segments are always seperated from the main video by a short black screen.
I was expecting the same thing! I did not expect it to continue! As Marcel said, "There has to be a clear line between ad and content in his videos."
Oh it's not? I stopped watching it after that because I thought it would be a VPN ad too.. Guess I'll go back and finish then.
The only TH-camr where I watch their advert deliberately
Exactly. They could just make a video full of adverts and rake it in.
Actually, figuring out the average distance between trees could be figured out by simply walking through the forest in question. Measure the length of your stride, then just count the number of steps between trees. Anybody who sees you would just see someone taking a stroll.
maybe they wanted to know the median average not the mean
@@michaelfordsham2715 Given that it would be for a strategic reason, I doubt technical semantics were relevant. Probably more to do with moving or emplacing vehicles or artillery.
@@jaye1967Someone in the comments mentioned it was combined with average height and width of trees in order to figure out whether you could send a tank through.
I've known about this for a couple years and a hilarious detail about it is their prioritization of certain countries over others, for example: on a map of New York it goes into meticulous detail regarding the carry weight of the Brooklyn bridge but on map of the navy headquarters in Copenhagen it features a warehouse sized building that was demolished in the 1700s and an entire dock that never existed to begin with.
Well, I doubt the Danes would need much coercion to surrender in case of a Soviet (or East German) invasion. America, though?
@@JJLiu-xc3kg If the Cold War went hot though I’d’ve loved to have seen the documentaries about the battle where the Russians lost because they tried to capture a port that never existed
@@theshinygoldenemperor2422 Moscow, 1949. After the Berlin Blockade escalated into direct conflict between East and West Joseph Stalin unleashed rapid invasion plans, Soviet scientists announce the successful development of nuclear bombs. Nervous, scientists decide to test on Copenhagen, intending to permanently irradiate the Baltic Sea and prevent any naval invasion of the Baltic States. Then, day of-it detonated harmlessly into the ocean. Stunned, Soviets realise too late cartographer Ivan Nikolayevich Yakovlev had mapped a nonexistent port. But before he is hanged for treason against the state, Soviet radars detect a series of atom bombs headed for Moscow, Leningrad and every major Eastern Bloc city from Sofia to Stalingrad.
Просто они под землей)
@@JJLiu-xc3kg Seems like something along the lines of The Hunt for Red October
I see new Map Men, I click instantly and become wiser. Map Men Map Men
Lol
Men
This is... Unexpected, but welcome.
map
map
map
men
men
men
There are MENy good things in the world, but the MAPsolute best thing is Map Men. No question.
I never want to again ever
the MinorAttractedPersonsolute?
Well said my good sir! Greetings from Griiiimmiiiiisby.
The MEN one is good, the MAP one is eh, a bit weak, shall we say
youre gay
About 5 years ago, while I was studying at university we still used the soviet general staff maps (Карты Генштаба) in the classroom on geographic information systems. We were digitizing by hand topographical points and lines, buildings, body of water etc. This part of lab work cost me couple of sleepless nights)
That awkward moment when Map Men showed a Russian map showing your house.
OUR house
@@penisenlargement2319 In the middle of our street.
@@talentlesscommentermdxxvii9419 welcome to the lions den
@@penisenlargement2319 your account name is legendary
@@AlphaDaxter1 shame my account hasnt grew 😉
There is a great 1970s Russian map of Wellington NZ. It has every building in all the Quarters and the Parliamentary Precinct, all the companies that were in that building, and even little notes on what you could buy from shops at every location. Someone in the Soviet Embassy really really liked maps and spent a lot of time doing it, and updating it.
imagine that, a country giving its taxpayers what they paid for and not just appointing "good ole boys" as embassy staff, imagine that!!!! oh you are an commonwealth slave, of course you cant understand that as you are regarded less valuable than sheep you herd for your masters :D tell me, what NZ embassy in my country, Croatia does for you? Issues papers when you loose your passport on vacation? dont you think they should be doing more than just waiting for you to loose your passport?
mfers invented Google maps
I mean, if I was a soviet spy in NZ, I'd rather walk around drawing buildings and what's inside them, and also would talk to nice people (and Hobbits as well), than be a pencil pusher in some badly heated Moscow office with laughable salary.
«Ру́сское географи́ческое о́бщество» - географическое общество России, основанное 6 августа 1845 года. Одно из старейших географических обществ мира после Парижского, Берлинского и Лондонского.
@@ArthurD why were they badly heated? the heating was and still is good. Soviet Union didnt lack energy resources. It wasnt certainly laughable. What a bunch of myths one can procure.
“Get the nukes ready, we are about to hit the-“
“NO, I LIKE BRADFORD, they have cool roads”
Shame the people there don't know how to drive them
NUKE ALL OF THEM except edinbrough, they serve good coffee there
They would rather nuke it all except 221B Baker Street because Sherlock lives there and they admire him (google Sherlock Livanov).
Who the FUCCCCKKKK likes bradford ?!?!?!
@@TheSpearkan Are the people there driving on the right side? Soviet spies might have had a little too massive invasion, then.
The maps of the USSR are amazing! I've hiked multiple times in Urals and Siberia, and every time I used topographic maps produced by the Red Army HQ (aka Genshtab maps). Over the years they've became a de-facto standard for Russian hikers
дааа.. бл.. я тоже по ним гулял.. половины дорог нет.. и дохрена новых, там где по карте должна быть глухая тайга.. хорошо, что у нас была железная привязка к местности на севере в виде огромного озера, а то мы бы загрустили на маршруте..
I thought thise maps were based on the maps German "alpinist" spies made right before the war.
@@zztopz7090 Both sides had accurate maps, it was just that the Soviet secretaries went overboard with secrecy, so they led to the result that their own did not have accurate maps
Fun fact - During the Cold War, an extensive invasion plan of the entire Europe was drawn up, with orders for each satelite state, such as "You invade this place and you do this thing to this building". Which is why the maps are in polish - Poland was supposed to take the northern route through Denmark and into England. If I remember correctly, Czechoslovakia had its endgoal in Paris (Been a while since Ive been taught the Cold War so I might be mistaken). Of course, this plan was not meant for an offensive, but a counterattack in case of a NATO invasion.
Poland were going to go through Denmark hoping to tap into their roots and launch another danish invasion into England
Counter attack. Yeah right
@@rachelar Yes, counter attack. Believe it or not, the East wasn't the big bad, and the west is just as bad as the east.
@@pureaidswithmemes8053 Wait so if the East wasn't actually the Big Bad, but the West was just as bad as the East, that means they were both equally bad?
@@ScurvyBoi Yes, they were both the Big Bad
“Illicit cartography” is not something I would’ve imagined existing.
The road to many pleasures.
erogenous zoning?
I used to play bass for 'Illicit Cartography'
that’s the name to someone’s highschool punk band
But I am very intrigued by the prospect of it.
there was no extra "men" at the end of the intro i'm disappointed
The absolutely best ad integrations ever seen on youtube! In fact, watching your ad blocks is as much fun as watching the rest of your videos! Great job!:)
As a Russian, when he said “Koshmar!”, I felt that.
Товарищ, не палите внедрение!
Это кодовое слово. Нас рассекретили!
He pronounced it like ослик Й-Я, from Винни-Пух (winnie Poh)
@@anassyria5176 Me?!
@@Tim_Guttmann Ты? Может быть.. Не знаю)
The lacking "men" in the intro bugs me infinitely.
Same
There was one episode where they added two extra mens in the intro
OCD kicking in, mate?
I know that feeling 🤣
Video intro: "Map men map men map map map men"
Me continuing: "men men"
Wow, something seemed different 🙄
We the people of this channel demand the restoration of the two lost men!
2021: "today the threat of conflict between East and West is within satisfactory levels".
I miss those halcyon days.
USSR: Creates maps to help them invade the world and spread communism
US Oil Companies: I can do a capitalism with this
Yet it is the U.S. that provides the best maps of other planets in the Solar System to ESA, Japan, China, India, and Russia to use to plot out their planetary landing and rover missions.
@@rwboa22 that's a whole other rabbithole of capitalism: space races and exploration
Important note: to help them invade _Europe_
I heard this from leftist Twitter, so take it with a grain of salt, but apparently we've never uncovered any USSR plans for the invasion of America. Given the fact that we have _American_ plans for the invasion of _Britain_ (seriously, Half as Interesting did a video on it, look it up) we're fairly certain that the Soviets had no desire to invade the US, or at least understood the military impossibility of such an invasion.
@@Sammie1053 Took me two seconds. Remove the "response to first strike" and you have a perfecrly fine first strike invasion plan
@@Sammie1053 There is alleged cold-war plans for a Soviet invasion of the US, but as you said it seems that the Soviets were pretty well aware how impractical this was. It appears their plan in a conventional war would be to capture Germany and have enough momentum that France would pressure the UK to accept a peace with the Soviets securing a far more desirable bufferzone. Their conflict with the UK and US would primarily be focused on their colonies/foreign puppets or friendly nations, and long range bomb campaigns, which for most of the cold war wouldn't have been effective (the Soviets enjoyed only brief periods of being significantly enough more advanced with their aircraft to have been able to seriously threaten the US mainland with a widespread bombing campaign). Bombing the UK would have been plausible however.
I would take left-twitter takes on the USSR with a grain of salt most of the time as you said. Too many people are more interested in rabidly defending a union that doesn't exist anymore and when it did was active in imperialism, industrialism and the seizing of resources from borderline colonized areas, than actually finding practical ways to make people's lives better. The USSR may have been ideologically different in many ways to the west but they were still first and foremost driven by a greed for profit and domination (of resources and people). As with the US, they realized little was to be gained from a world war, but a lot could be gained through proxy wars and influencing minor nations. Countries like Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan and much of South America were (and are) seen more like playgrounds to major powers, than the homelands of millions of innocent people.
Two sides of the same coin when you look past the branding of "freedom" and "communism" (of which each respectively failed to achieve).
This of course is not to dismiss the legitimate fears during the cold war. Nuclear weapons are not bargaining chips and the aforementioned lust for power and profit very nearly did reach nuclear war. Definitely two sides. Just one coin.
"Very few people knew little about, and even more people knew even less" I'm stealing that line that's great
"Don't watch it nowwwww, watch it laterrrrrr..."
As someone who studied at a cartographic college in Russia, I can say that many maps were compiled using aerial photography and satellites. A huge amount of work was done in the USSR to improve this method. And an unlimited number of man-hours were spent on image analysis. A clear system of state standards made maps and engineering plans as identical as possible, even from different sources.
Jay, nice pronunciation of "кошмар", you sure revealed that you're a Russian spy
не отлично, но и не ужасно
Kow map
hmmm, cauchemare is a french word, he could've used ужас instead.... double spy! get him!
@Ewan i know but it looks like kow map (cow map) and i think that's the kind of pun they wanted
Jay Foreman: "Why does Russia have the best maps of Britain?"
Russia: "xexexe"
It's actually xaxaxa
Oh wait I get it, there's two type of laughing, hehehe and hahaha
@@MagikMako ouh lol
@@MagikMako i know im very late, but technically it's not really "hye", unless "y" is silent ('cos Russian "е" doesn't always have the "y" sound at the beginning)
and fun fact: in Russian there are 3 ways to laugh - хаха (haha), хехе (h[e]h[e], with vowel like middle of "hey"), and хихи (h[i]h[i], with vowel like in "his")
@@MagikMako let's talk in IPA then. there's no meaningful difference between long [i:] and short [ɪ] in Russian, so i wasn't caring about that either.
And as far as I can tell, "хе" is pronounced [xe], not [xje] (i might have butchered some close variations, but i def know that Russian х and english h are different)
in Russian terms, "hye" sounds to me like "хье"/"хйе", not "хе"
I was sure the ad was starting with the "there are still russian spies in the world" and the next line would have been "which is why you need a VPN"
Same!
Map men map men you need a VPN
Это была реклама русских шпионов
With the word guessing game, I was expecting a password manager.
Could've had a great Nobelborsky crossover
6:05 the best кошмар I ever heard
ко(х)шмаръ !!
"Where could be a russian spy hiding in your computer right now!"
Me, a russian: "Ha! Not big surprise".
Can you translate into russian comrade? Danke
Лайково!
Спион? Нет...
Did you mean to say "Ха, нот биг сюрпрайз" instead?
I have already expected a VPN commercial.
map men map man man map pam nem
Woah, this is a crossover I wasn't expecting😮
The kiwi approves.
Was not expecting to see you here 😄
Мап мен мап мен мап мен мен мен ...Срасиьо
Nap meme
when he said his polish got better already and then said polish sounding gibberish i lmaoed so hard
To samo
Nawet nie zrozumiałem co mówił 😂
Musiałem kurwa napisy włączysz.🤪
No ja nie zrozumiałem co on powiedział i powiedzeli że jusz lepiej po polsku mówią
He said something that sounded like "well done"
I once worked doing desk studies for land to check it wasn't contaminated, and we would get a report with a series of old maps to compare so you could say, in 1900, it was farm land, in 1950, it was a factory, and then find potential contamination sources. It usually included one Russian map and I was always surprised at how detailed that map was.
I like how doing the intro straight is the most unexpected thing they could do at this point, great inversion
I didn't even notice that, in my mind they went the full mile (and are still singing) 😂
I may have a problem.
"What have the Russians ever done for us?"
You forgot Tetris.
... also Zamenhof was born in Russia. At least were he was born was Russia at the time.
Was VODKA mentioned?!
The best thing about Russia is that it keeps China a long way from Europe
@@Soundbrigade Yes. But they didn't mention Lada
@@PiousMoltar Coronavirus: "You're on."
"There could be a Soviet spy hiding in your computer right now !"
Me, a Russian: haha, I'm already 4 steps ahead of you.
I've got the Russian double agent: Kaspsersky
Russian gang!
100% expecting it to be a Nord VPN advert but nope left wondering WTF as they baited me into another dam skillshare add
You'd be surprised how many viruses scan the system they are about to encrypt for settings like cyrillic script or time zone.. even russian hackers don't want to mess with russia and this is by far the easiest way to rpevent... accidents... or at least prevent ending up in a russian prison. Mostly. Maybe. Perhaps.
Who knows, the internet is wild.
xaxa
05:10 - сильно улыбнуло, с ноткой сожаления о правдивости истории (за бесценок сдавали секреты).
05:10 - smiled strongly, with a note of regret about the veracity of the story (secrets were handed over for nothing).
Почему сожаления? я рад что военные разработки приносят в гражданскую сферу что-то полезное
@@kopernik7130 дадад: я орнул, увидев пометку "спирт" на 5:30 )))
Seeing my hometown of Gillingham written as “Dzylinem” in polish is a bit of a trip
To be fair it should be probably written as "Dżilingam" to be phonetically accurate.
@@maciejmularz7786 damn, until you have written it I was 100% assured that it’s pronounced with solid G, not Dz sound
@@maciejmularz7786 Isn't the "H" silent?
@@Ultra_Hlebus The worst part is there's another town called Gillingham that *is* pronounced with a hard G, 150 miles to the west
@@NickHoad WHAT?!
Imagine the intros if “maps” were instead called “meps”.
"Bith"
I snorted. +1. Move along.
Mep Man, Mep Man, Mep Mep Mep Man Man!
And here is the mip!
Not sure if Kiwi or Dutch
3:20 so now I'm imagining a wacky Cold War comedy-thriller where a group of KGB agents infiltrate the "residence of the Queen" and kidnap Her Majesty--who is in fact just an actress playing her...
That’s a brilliant idea!!!!
Write that screenplay and pitch it! Get that Hollywood money! Edit: Have Helen Mirren in the title role!
@@gozerthegozarian9500 he’s basically already got an elevator pitch
Dude, if the Russians kidnapped Helen Mirren that'd have meant WAR.
Someone call Hollywood!
My elderly neighbor outside DC was an American cartographer for the Defence Mapping Agency. He showed me a few declassified maps of Moscow that were nearly as detailed that he made. He joked he knew his way around the USSR better than his home town. For fun he made one of where we lived that had everything on it, every out building and fence. While ours may not have been as detailed what he could, or just did show me was amazing. He joked about Google Maps replacing his young coworkers.
And when the world needed them the most.....
They Returned.
Watching this from Russia. "Russian spies everywhere." Me: watching around: "s***".
The wonderful FSB.
I think Russia is the country filled with the most Russian spies.
One might even be inside you.
@@shuriksvoboda6883 Oh, my! Really? I'll check.
@@shuriksvoboda6883 No, he pulled out
Это были очень тяжелые времена, без плана в сортир не сходить. Для этого нужны детализированные карты двора с точным местоположением скоплений гололеда.
idk what yhis said but it's in russian so we Liked it... :)
@@Mr.Coconut007 idk,
something about the guy not knowing where the toilet is,so decided to search for a pile of snow
согласен
Уникальное поколение, на каждом шагу приходилось решать стратегические задачи.
@@Mr.Coconut007 He joked about it: "These were very tough times, you couldn't even go to the outside latrine without a detailed topographic map. For this you needed detailed maps of the yard with exactly marked locations of ice-crusted ground" ("gololyod" in Russian - a frequent weather condition in the winter, where a thin layer of snow would melt on a relatively warm winter day and then rapidly freeze on the next, much colder, day, thus creating extremely slippery ice surfaces).
The Map Men and Unfinished London series are pretty unusual in that they are consistently funny over a verrry long period of time (in youtube terms anyway). Which means that you get comments and replies from people years apart as new people discover the channel, and so the comment stream itself is like a snapshot of social history. This one is particularly interesting given recent events in Ukraine, but there's was a similar timewarp effect on one of the ones released during Covid, where future people were giving updates on historic comments.
I feel like Tom Scott waited for you to upload because he's only a minute after
I too watch him
Or both of them scheduled the upload.
I saw them both in my notifications and I was like "This is a blessed day".
Wasn't it the same with the last video?
I hope he appreciated the space floating cutlery scene.
I live in St.Petersburg, there is definitely a Russian spy in my computer D:
кошмаp!
Don't forget to feed him.
Koshmar!
This is SERIOUSLY one of the most BRITISH channels I’ve EVER come across lol. Keep up the good work boys.
i like how the scale goes from "not on the christmas card list" to "Nuke 'em!"
"Nuke 'em again!"
It's about accurate for UK sensibilities
We've seen jumps from "victory poses in fotos together" to "head for the enemy capital" within hours, so not that surprising.
i mean not on the christmas card list is an clear symbol of hate
To be fair, that's how I treat my social circle...but, then, I'm an extradimensional demon-god who was the big bad in a classic 1980s movie!
In my childhood, there were plenty of old Soviet military maps in my house. It was s general source of paper (to cover books etc). And they were way more detailed comparing with your examples.
You can actually download most of the maps. The maps showed in the video are tactical maps. They were treated as top secret but were abundantly available at all major military bases. A lot of those were left behind after the Russian military left Germany. the last time I checked it was missing SE Asia and Australia. there was an online project where Russian users were scanning and loading maps since those are often used by hikers (there are maps of Russia as well often outlining secret objects - like the secret highways to be used for troops transportion around Moscow) most of the maps were regularly updated. However, as the video suggests it is not terribly accurate - for example they reference Hounslow Heath airport instead of Heathrow.
Jay pronouncing the Polish names is the most mind-flattening thing I’ve ever heard a person say
The fact that Mark waited to grow a beard to then trim it and shave it just for the commercial bit is killing me 😂
...or they have a stack of ready commercials lying around
@@Testgeraeusch all the uncles have different facial hair though, and they're all talking to each other!
@@cactustactics I'm constantly talking to myself; nothing special after 10 months of isolation.
4:26
“Map of Hastings”
You can’t scare me with this
“How to Read Map of Hastings”
*FEARFUL REACTION*
William invaded here ->
Quality videos. I never skip an episode :)
First reply.
You should put this in the bin. Russian subversion and propaganda. Russia didn’t win ww2 for a start..
@@Cha0sLord93, they did against the germans, however if you're referring to the Italians or Japanese they didn't do a lot.
@@Cha0sLord93 they did, pretty much
That would've been the perfect VPN sponsor announcement
Gutted the theme wasn't "карта мужчин, карта мужчин, карта карта карта мужчин мужчин".
fyi "карта мужчин" means a map of men
Karta mužčin
@@jannuarytrash In Soviet Russia men maps you!
Правильнее "мужчины карты".
Карто-мужчины!
“Don’t watch it now. Watch it later.” You ask the impossible...
Love the way Mark uses his teacher voice to say this! 😂
Mark: My Polish is better already!
Jay: mispronounces a three syllable word so hard it's not even recognizable
Had to turn on subtitles so i could understand what he was going for haha although I believe that the mispronounciation was a joke itself
Tunbridge Wells?
I've never been to Tunbridge Wells, but according to the Rutles' song "24 Hours In Tunbridge Wells", it's more exciting than a book by Norman Mailer. Nothing to do with maps, but I feel it's in the general spirit of The Map Men to provide that extra little nugget of information.
@@usvalve Well it does have a naturally formed standing stone in the shape of a toad, some naturally formed climbing cliffs, the wells of course (where you can take the water) and it is home to hardcore punk band Anti Nowhere League, who are still going. Oh, and it also has a road called "Mount Ephraim" and the town is royal. (My grandma lived there, that's how I know this stuff).
@Ryan Marvees it sounds like dobre zbrodnie (good atrocities)
This channel can make me watch anything! You guys are amazing.
Polish pilots fighting in battle of Britain after 20 years : "not again"
“My polish is better already!”
“*something in polish idk what*”
“Hehe, yes...”
I'm also Pole and can confirm, it was impossible to understand
The subtitles helped.
"dobrze zrobione" = "well done"
@@joehorns no one says "dobrze zrobione" though. Better translation would be "dobra robota" ("good job" in literal translation)
However, the "dobrze zrobione" was not pronounced correctly. It sounded more like "dobre zronie" :D
But I appreciate the effort anyway
Her Majesty's Theatre would definitely be a downsize from Bucky P... 😆
Hey TH-cam!.
Wait What?? Hello Susan
What
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TH-cam eh?
I don't know if this gag is intentional or not, but I genuinely giggled when Jay used a pen in the "space" scene XD
When I was at school in the 1970s by far the best, biggest, most comprehensive and most detailed atlas in the school library was Polish, produced for the Polish military. Not only did it have the transliterated place names for major features it also gave those in Cyrillic characters in parentheses. Another odd feature was it's binding. The map sheets were individual with four large holes through which four brass posts secured then to the binding. The posts could be unscrewed, letting them all fall out - and that was quite fund getting back together.
At the time no one had any idea how it had come to be in the library. Sadly when the school closed in 2011 and I had the opportunity to go and look it was no longer there - with no one any more aware of where it had gone than they had been about its origins. A great shame.
You forgot to write your country
@@pushista9322 United Kingdom.
Thank you Jay, you have consistently provided high quality education and entertainment of millions. I imagine you've been working hard recently, especially with the more consistent uploads as of late, I and many other people appreciate this effort, just know, we all love and admire you as a person and as a content creator
Aw, thanks Last Bastian! :)
What and I'm just a f*****g decoration?
@@markcooper-jones7494 we love you too
@@SkyFlaks shucks
I wish we didn't have to sit or skip through so many minutes of video to get to the advert.
I have Genshtab (Military USSR) maps loaded on my smartwatch. It's the best and most detailed map you could possibly find for any location for tourism, sport or invasion 😅
I cackled at "the baddies, or as we call them in England, the goodies"
Google maps be like: I still have to learn much.
The intro being played normally is now weirdly unsettling.
I sing the extra ‘men men’ for myself 😊
Watching this a year later is…different.
Wired had an extensive article on the subject. Not only UK maps but the ENTIRE WORLD maps. When companies began building GSM networks in the 90's throughout Africa and Asia they used old Soviet maps to set up networks. I worked making GIS applications pre Googlemaps for Vodafone Greece and I have a soft spot for geomapping content.
As a german I am amused by "Saufend-on-si" bc "saufend" means "getting drunk" in german XD
Jawohl! I guess being saufend on see makes one much amused ;) .
How appropriate since that's what Brits like to do at the seaside.
0:26 "ISTBON"
Bonn is a German city and "ist" means "is".
So basically that city is Bonn ;)
Seems about right tbh
I think that was the transliteration of Southend-on-Sea
I have never before been so entertained by a show about maps
Эти ребята мне напоминают Шелдона Купера в "Занимательные флаги с Шелдоном Купером" ))