Lindros Draft Saga | The Nordiques-Flyers Trade That SHOOK UP The NHL
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ม.ค. 2023
- Throughout NHL history, few prospects have ever generated as much hype as Eric Lindros.
On the heels of a sublime junior career, the transcendent youngster was the undisputed No. 1 pick in the 1991 NHL Draft and was ostensibly headed to Quebec City, where the floundering Nordiques were salivating at the prospect of landing a transformative talent.
But they never did.
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Correction: Lindros would’ve been eligible to re-enter the NHL Draft in ’93, not ’92.
What a brutal time to be a Nordiques fan. Not only can they not convince Lindros to play for them. But when the bounty of players and draft picks they got back develop and the team gets good, the team moves to Denver and immediately wins the Stanley Cup. Sometimes life just isn't fair.
Yeah, but no guarantee they would have won the Cup, had if they'd stayed in Quebec for the 95-196 season. Keep in mind that they wouldn't have had Patrick Roy, since there was no way in hell the Habs would have traded him to the Nords, no matter what too.
@@freakyfornash Fair point. But they made the playoffs their last year there. So it's likely they still would have been a playoff team. And maybe they could have found a goalie from someone else.
@@fantasticvoyage262 I'm sure they still make the playoffs no doubt. But they needed a battle tested goalie, which Thibault, and Fiset were both anything but at the time too.
@@freakyfornash I get that. But maybe they could have found a goalie somewhere else. Where was Belfour that year?
@@fantasticvoyage262 Still with the Hawks, who were a playoff team in 96 too.
It's crazy Steve Duchesne it just considered "another player" in this trade. He was an all star the year he went to Quebec and was a top tier D-man at the time.
Excellent offensive defenseman, kind of forgotten about
I don't think anyone who knows about hockey would think that. This channel obviously doesn't, lol
The Flyers got fleeced. Forsberg alone was a better player. 885 pts in 709 games with a few cups. Lindros had 865 in 760 games and never touched the cup unless he visited the HHOF.
I would love to know all the trade offers the Nordiques were offered.
The Flames made an offer Don’t know exactly for who
The funniest thing about the Lindros trade is how it showed *trading* a generational talent is actually better than keeping him (assuming you can get a fair return). I'm actually surprised more teams with the first overall pick don't do this more often as it's a quicker way to build a contender than simply having one really good player.
Just look at the Oilers for further proof that having a first overall pick, even when their is a generational talent available, does not gaurentee success.
I think GM's have wised up today. And wouldn't give up anything close to what the Flyers did then.
@@fantasticvoyage262 Also, is Lindros a generational talent? I mean, Forsberg was in the trade and he became a way better player than Lindros imo.
@@jasonjansen9831 He was viewed as one.
Edmonton learning exactly that the hard way by keeping McDavid.
The Penguins won three Cups since drafting Crosby.
I remember that 1997 cup where everyone was predicting a Flyers sweep and how the Lindross line was going to dominate the Wings. They were right about one thing. It was a sweep. Just not the one they predicted.
As a Flyers fan I remember going into that series very confident. About 10 minutes into game one I found myself saying "Uh-oh, we're in trouble."
Those Detroit teams in 97 and 98 were on another level.
No disgrace in losing to those Wings teams
@@scottmurrell7367 I was at Game 1 of the 97 Finals. If I remember correctly, Hextall let in a bad goal from the blueline early on in the first period. It just took the wind out of the crowd and it’s like everyone knew the RedWings were the better team.
@@scottmurrell7367 me too. And then Michael Leighton in the next final 😢
KEEP YOUR HEAD UP LINDROS
Keep your head up?
GO HOUNDS GO
@@streetcarjay Lindros was always bigger than everyone growing up. he had a tendency to skate with his head down, which is a no no. he never got rid of that habit when he got the pros which resulted in his concussions. he only had himself to blame..
In the Soo. He was considered Mommy's little boy. We took it upon ourselves as fans to make him see that. In 1991, the Hounds met the Oshawa Generals with Erica in the OHL final. They thought they had their ticket punched at that years Memorial Cup in Quebec City, and the championship won, What happened? We beat the Generals in 6 games, and were crowned OHL Champions. Everytime someone mentions how Erica Lindros was so great. I tell them this.
1991 OHL Final. Soo vs. Oshawa
We came
We saw
We kicked his sorry little boy ass, and I say this for all Soo Greyhounds fans that this is our FINAL WORD.
GO GOUNDS GO!!!!!
@@markjackson6431 absolutely! And this is just my personal opinion but that extra year he spent in junior made it even harder for him to break that habit when he got to the NHL
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Eric Lindros fits perfect with Herschel Walker. BOTH gave their former teams Stanley cups/Superbowls.
That not how the draft works my friend , just because Lindros sits out one year ,he cant just re-enter the draft, lol, he has to wait 3 years before he could do that, Quebec understood her was going to sit out a second year and decided to get what they could .
Yeah I was a bit confused. I know today a team retains the players rights for 3 years but I didnt know how it worked back then.
Helped win the Avs 2 cups. Thanks Eric
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What was not mentioned in the end is that forsberg at the end of his career played for the flyers. All in all flyers and avs were powerhouses because of what had transpired
But only one of them got cups 😁
@@286mic cUpS, your mother drinks my baby batter out of a cup. How bout that.
@@286mic lindros was much better
One question NEVER answered to this day: How come the expansion San Jose Sharks didn't get the 1st overall pick in the 1991 NHL Draft ?
1992 draft, Lightning and Senators came into the NHL and had 1st and 2nd overall picks.
Good question. I'd like to know that too.
Look at what the Lindros trade did for the lowly Nordiques When they moved to Colorado they became a dynasty in large part because of that trade
They weren't a dynasty. But they were a threat to win it all every year for a 7-8 year stretch.
The Islanders, Oilers and Canadiens were dynasties, Avalanche very good but not a dynasty
You obviously don’t know what a dynasty is. A dynasty is at least 3 cups won in 4 years.
The correct term I think you’re searching for is powerhouse. They were definitely a powerhouse team, but they were definitely not a dynasty.
I’m a life long Flyers fan and lived my whole life right next to Philly.. I’ve always loved this piece of hockey history. But does anyone else see how ironic it is that this happened with Lindros in our favor, but now the same thing happened with Cutter Gauthier and Philly fans literally hate his guts 🤣🤣🤣
Didn't Hextall charge out of the net after Lindros when the Flyers and Nordiques first played? lol Hextall was hilarious.
I grew up near the Flyers training facility and went to a ton of practices. Lindros was great with fans even gave me a broken stick of his once. Bobby Clarke did him dirty.
This guy named Peter Forsberg who was in the mix was pretty good, it's like Lindros did the Quebec/Colorado a favour. Did Lindros ever win a Cup?
Lindros never won a cup, he went to one final in 97 was swept by Detroit
Damn! Did the Nordiques fleece the Flyers or what? Peter Forseberg for Lindros even up would have been a steal.
Yep
Take notes Connor
Colorado was amazing, but Dynasty?! C’mon… they won 2 cups 5 years apart😂😂
There was 3 dynasties at the same time : New Jersey, Detroit and Colorado between 95 and 03
@@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge Colorado wasn't a dynasty. They didn't win enough cups to earn that title. Detroit and New Jersey did. Don't get me wrong Colorado was dominant in that time but there were too many dominant teams back then. 2 cups in a 5 year span is still impressive nonetheless 🤙
@@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge An official dynasty is defined as at least 3 Cups in 4 seasons
@@JHockeyFan didn't Betman himself declared the 2010s Black Hawks a dynasty?
@@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge No
Wouldn’t really call the 90s flyers a dynasty 😅 they never won a cup and only won the division three times with him as a flyer
That Lindros trade perpetually added no cup years to the Flyers'
Now 49th year Stanley Cup series win absence
Montreal 76
Islander 80
Edmonton 85
Edmonton 87
Detroit 97
Chicago 2010
He was so good he got concussed and never won a cup.
For all the drama, and all the accolades he had in his career, he never lifted the cup. And then this world, if you don't live that cup, it means nothing.
Colorado didn’t have a dynasty. You need at least 3 cups in 4 seasons.
Quebecs owner made a pass at Lindros's mom at a hockey tournament when eric was younger. In front of eric's dad. Would you wanna play for that guy?
I was not aware of that.
The late 80s Nordiques tanked on purpose to stockpile #1 picks and build the team following the example of the 1983-84 Penguins who tanked to get Mario Lemeiux
Is there a good Super Mario (66) video coming ?
Peter Stastny was THEEE man, way underrated and you should all be ashamed of denying his fame!! I am a golf channel, watch it!! thanks for the time
this is why you don’t let your father control your career
I always knew he would play for a new "jersey".....lol🤫🤫🤫
I've never seen Lindros as anything more than a spoiled crybaby who's poor attitude, entitlement, and selfishness sabotaged his own career. It's the hockey god's greatest karma that the due to that trade, the Avalanche would become perennial cup contenders until 2004 while Lindros was essentially a washed up shell of his former self by 1999.
If the flyers had the ability to keep forsberg and lindros on the same team... 3 cups at the veryleast
I’ve read numerous accounts of the trade proposals and the Nordiques originally wanted Brind’amour instead of Forsberg because Forsberg was not coming over from Sweden til after 1994 Olympics. The Flyers didn’t want to totally deplete their roster so they kept Brind’amour and Forsberg went in the deal. As a Flyers fan, Brind’amour is one of the most beloved players ever. But a 1-2 punch at Center with Lindros and Forsberg for a decade would have been scary.
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First time I'm ever realizing this Eric lindros reminds me a bit of smashing pumpkins singer Billy corgan
I often wonder if the Flyers make that trade if they had drafted Jagr the year before instead of Mike Ricci. Then they take Forsberg in '91. Imagine Jagr and Forsberg on the same line.
Good line but not as good as Jagr & Lemieux
He should have learned to skate with his head up. Great trade by Quebec.
Quebec Nordiques would go on to become to the Colorado Avalanche and they would go on to win 3 Stanley Cups
That's Denver Colorado tho. Not Canada
Before the 91 draft, what trade offers did Quebec get for the first pick?
The Rangers in 1991 reportedly had an offer of Sergei Nemchinov, Tony Amonte, Alexei Kovalev, James Patrick, the choice of Mike Richter or John Vanbiesbrouck, multiple 1sts, and $20 million U.S.
For context, Nemchinov was a prospect, Amonte was a former 4th round (today would have been in the 3rd round), Kovalev was the 15th pick from the Rangers in 1991, Patrick was an established who was always in the neighborhood of 50-70 pts with the club, Richter has his # retired by the Rangers and would lead the club to the Stanley Cup in 1994, Vanbiesbrouck was a starting netminder. Combined with the picks (would have been the 8th, 24th or 26th, but draft picks are always magic beans) and the cash, it would have been a bigger trade than the what the Flyers gave up.
At the time of the draft, Quebec made trades with Toronto to keep Toronto from giving up the pick that would have been Lindtos. So Quebec wanted the 1st pick, so they would not have made a trade at the time of the 1991 draft
@@thylacine519 this was the trade that the Quebec owner agreed to. That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about before the 91 draft, did Quebec get any offers for that pick?
@@Lawomenshoops I can't remember one as I don't think they would have listened
none that were serious. gm's knew nords were gonna keep pick and lindros wouldn't report to nords. that's why practically every team threw a trade offer out there in '92 trying to get lindros. rags tried to make a trade after the fact only to have arbitrator void that deal.
I know someone that grew up with lindros and I’ve heard from others nothing but horrible things about his attitude
Doesn't surprise me ....
Lindros got only one crack at the Cup only to have the Wings embarrass the Flyers in a sweep.
Am I listening “The Why Files”?
In another twist of irony, Forsberg would later sign with the Flyers. Unfortunately for them, he was well past his prime.
In a way, with Lindros, the Nordiques may have selected the best 1st overall pick of all time given all that that pick gave to them in the long run.
It's a shame Quebec City was never able to see this success. But again, the Patrick Roy trade was instrumental for that 96 Cup run, and the Habs would have never traded their star goaltender to its biggest rival.
Savard had a Roy for Nolan and fiset trade ready but it was nixed and he was fired
Hopefully one day the Nordiques come back
Mario Lemieux has brought 5 cups to Pittsburgh. Nothing Quebec got from that trade comes even close to the value of 5 cups.
Colorado won the cup in 1996, 2001, and 2022. I would hardly call that a dynasty. In order to be called a dynasty, you have to win at least 3 championships in a 4 year span.
That is interesting that the Nordiques would have lost him for nothing if they didn't trade him before the next year's draft. In MLB, if you can't sign your draft pick, that team gets a compensatory draft pick in the following draft in nearly the same draft slot.
Does the team still keep the players rights or does he become a free agent?
@@Amm17ar He goes back in the draft the next year.
In the NHL I believe with first round picks that arent NCAA players, you get a pick in the second round. It happened with the Wild and Filip Johansson this last draft.
I wonder if Lindros would have still held out if the league didn’t screw the Sharks out of 1oa. Could have been a real kickstart to the franchise without the personal beef
Peter Forsberg
What did he do to earn a Hall of Fame induction?
Lindros D Bag
If he had stayed with Quebec, he would have 2 cups in his career!!!
Anyone know what the rangers deal was?
This is what I found.
Quebec President Marcel Aubut had second thoughts when Smith swooped in with an offer that reportedly included Tony Amonte, Alex Kovalev, Sergei Nemchinov, James Patrick, and their choice of John Vanbiesbrouck or Mike Richter along with several first round draft picks and as much as $20 million.
@@fantasticvoyage262 Neil Smith recently said that Nemchinov wasn't part of the deal. Doug Weight was.
@@jonnygrossman7853 And when was that?
As a life long Flyers fan, they know how to ruin a young player. If they got Shanahan when he was up for a trade to help him, I believe the flyers would hv won the cup.
Would you have traded Brind'Amour and Therien for Shanahan?
@@jonnygrossman7853 I would have.
@@monztermovies Then whom would you have replace Roddy B?
Bebe Lindros
Shame he didnt keep his head up, going across the blue line against the Devils. He was never the same after Stevens hit
It's a shame Stevens was such a scumbag
why is Pierre Turgeon not in the HOF with 462 more points then Lindros. [1327]
Because he didn’t go onto the ice and fight in the 87 world juniors against the Russians , so the powers that be called him gutless and until this day won’t let him become hall of fame eligible…
@@tylerbeechey4234 wow! I’m impressed.. thanks for the history lesson.
The rangers offer was better..amonte,Richter, weight,kovalev, 3 first round picks and millions in cash..thats why Abut went back to the flyers trying to bail on their trade and send lindros to new York..coincidentally it was Abut himself that was the reason lindros wouldn't go to Quebec. For a team that had some serious talent yet major financial problems really ended up winning that trade. If only lindros could have learned to skate with his head up,and if they flyers actually got a legit number one goalie it really could have been special
Why did he not want to play for the Greyhounds?
Do you guys believe lindros that the reason he didn't play for the nordiques is because he didn't like Marcel aubut
I believe it. In a recent interview he said he would’ve refused to play for any team run by that owner. He said he had no issues with the city or the fans. It was the owner he had issues with.
its funny because Forsberg was better than Lindros anyways
Very true
Facts
What are you basing that on. Very similar career numbers lindros had better goal totals didn’t get to play on that stacked avalanche team. both injury issues.
Forsberg didn't have to play Scotf Stevens multiple times a year and even playoff series. Injuries are always the biggest what if's
@@thylacine519 dont think it would matter who lindros played, he wouldve skated with his head down and get destroyed by anyone eventually. he could have played as a AV and still suffer the same fate.
A player should have the right to play where ever he wants
It’s bad for the sport, everyone would go to the same team and they’d never win
Lindros was basically coddled.
As someone from Quebec. He came on a big talk show here a couple years ago, and he told in an interview that he didnt went to Quebec because the owner made advances to his mother.
For years people thought he was racist towards french people. But he married a french speaking woman.
In the last 10-15 years, the then owner, many Marcel Aubut's stories like these came out. But it wasnt really in the medias and some people still think he's racist
@@olivieri2300 Not just a French speaking woman, I believe he married someone from Quebec.
I remember seeing that interview you are speaking of and he came out looking awesome. A lot of opinions changed, after that interview. I believe it was because at that point everyone knew the owner wasn't a good person.
Marcel Aubut (the owner) was accused by a bunch of women of being horrible (let's leave it at that) and he apologized for his behavior, which give strength to the Lindros story.
Not to mention he refused to play for SSM
Well all that controversy for what Lindros at the time he was 19 so he was still in control by his parents.quebec was at the time was in separation to Canada so the Lindros family didn't want to go to quebec.why Eric Lindros took so long to say that he didn't want to play for the Nordiques that he like Marcel aubut after his retirement.so it took that long for Eric that excuse.. so sad.and he didn't even win a Stanley Cup.. what goes around comes around...
Well, Karma came for him, and he wore the number 4.
Connor Bedard. You know what to do 😂
lmao
I wish.
And yet after making two trades, Quebec didn’t get punished what so ever. In fact, the flyers traded two picks that day but were forced to select. Then, the arbitrator gave Quebec players and picks that weren’t in the trade.
the hockey gods cursed him and his lack of humble by giving him 0 cups and Forsberg two. (one he was injured for 3.75 rounds of the playoffs. GO AVS!
I remember thinking before that series the Blues had a big advantage with Forsberg out. And the Avalanche still won in 5 games. I was impressed that year the Avalanche won the Stanley Cup without anything from Forsberg the last 2 series.
Goof
He did hear about the story when he got jumped on the locker room for banging rod the bod wife
Eric looks like enemy number 1 but consider the NHL environment back then. There was no draft lottery. The Quebec Nordiques were the worst-run organization. Nobody wanted to play there. The Nordiques drafted 3, 1, 1, 1 and 4 in 5 consecutive drafts. There was no unrestricted free agency so if you were drafted by a bad team and you were an all-star player, you were stuck in that organization for a very long time. There was restricted free agency but that only meant the team that lost that player was entitled to compensation. That scared off teams from signing free agents. Looking back now, Eric just wanted to choose where he would live and work for the next 13 years.
Wrong.
Dear Lindros,
Ha ha ha. Ha.
Sincerely,
Avalanche Fans
it's hilarious the backlash when Lindros LITERALLY SAID HE WOULD NOT SIGN WITH THE NORDIQUES, specifically cause of conflict with head staff. AND he made it clear he didn't want to be drafted by them BEFORE they picked him.
Coward
Ok but that shouldn't be an option that the player has. What's the point in giving the lower ranked teams high draft picks if every high skill player just refuses to play there.
Unprofessional and childish behavior from an entitled brat.
@@dickbiggerjr3613 My against that would be: "Why should you reward trash management and trash ownership for being horrible?" If the player is willing to stick to guns, then he should be able to do it. It's also not always just the player. If you look at the NFL, the entire Manning family was involved with the entire Eli Manning saga.
@Benedict Chan not all bad teams have bad management! The league is trying to help those teams acquire top talent, which doesn't work if you have entitled players refusing to play.
@@dickbiggerjr3613 I don't get why you have to force really good players to toil away in bad situations. That's like forcing a really talented person to live in hell. That's why I don't blame players who take the option to force their way out. If you have leverage, then use it.
He wished he was the second Wayne
This narcissistic selfishness led to him never winning a Stanley Cup. Had he stuck with Quebec he would have won atleast two. No idea why he would decide to go his entire career without actually winning a Stanley Cup. Isn't that the whole point ?
@@thebrockman12 they won a few years later after being moved to colorado lol
@@thebrockman12 ur telling me Sakic + Lindros doesn't win a ring?
@@thebrockman12 exactly. Otherwise, McDavid and Draisaitl would be drowning in Cup rings
Oh yeah, screw lindros and his pretentious family. He got what was coming to him in the year 2000.
@@estellegrignon draisaitl is not on the same level as the other 3 to be completely honest. 1 zone player
Connor McJebus can learn a thing or two from Eric Lindros about dodging an undesirable team when being drafted first overall
Horrible trade for philly
Lindros is the most stubborn hockey player of all time. In my honest opinion. It's like what my kids do when they get angry. Lindros just had bad teachings and teachers. But good hockey teachers don't get me wrong. He was good at hockey but that was it, just hockey.
Bad Teachings? Yeah god forbid him for not wanting to play for an organisation whose president was a known sex offender and made several advances on his married mother..
I like the subject of the video but the announcer high pitch enunciation of every 3rd word makes my ears bleed.
Eric Lindros was always overrated... excellent player to be sure but not way up in the Superstar Heavyweight Class...Hell, he wasn't even the best player in that trade, Forsberg was...and by far...!!!
He never won a cup
Lindros has two cups, ‘96 and ‘01
He never won a cup
@@nickvarga4096 The Lindros trade got the Avs Peter Forsberg. That trade won the Avs two cups.
@noahrocca1609 I know that, but the original comment said Lindros has two cups which is false.
@@nickvarga4096 He might as well have 2
@basedharun8282 if Lindros stuck with the Nordiques/Avalanche franchise he probably would have had 2 cups
wtf this is just a rip off of secretbase. the vibe, the production. lol
Peter Forsberg is better
He waanted $$$ $$$ SO he went to America...bad choice
yeah Connor Bedard is giving me Lindros vibes to his Hype we shall see
Ok scout
Bedard is not going to hold out
@JZ34 It is always a possibility that he declares before the draft he will not play for such and such teams. Arizona hopes he doesn't as he's the only person in this draft who can get an arena built.
@@thylacine519 The Coyotes are getting that arena without Bedard its gonna get built
@@TheHeston83 Is Matthews coming or Gary Bettman gonna do his shenanigans?
Lindros 865 total points ZERO cups.. Forsberg 885 total points 2 Cups!! As a life long Nordiques/AVS fan i'd like to thank little baby lindros for his contribution to my happiness. PS: HAIL TO THE STASTNY BROTHERS!!
Can't blame him for not wanting to play for that scumbag owner Aubut.
I don’t know why but I’m not a fan of the host. Cool format though.
What's wrong with the host?
No one wants to play in QUEBEC.
Eric & Brett the Roids Brothers 💉
Guy eas a complete BUST 😅
Click bait National Enquirer, News of the World, Fox News style tabloid garbage stories from The Score. Go low bros
Lidros was a WIMP 😅😅😅
The biggest bust (non-implants) in hockey next to the Leafs!
Geez, he just rejected every team that drafted him along the way.
"3 other players" lmao.. Steve Duchesne wasn't just some "other" player.. Amateur hour here
He was a very good player for a long time.
Just didnt want to play for a french franchise
That’s a lie.
@@jogendron6320 keep telling yourself that
His wife is French. She’s from Quebec. He was just a spoiled brat that didn’t want to play for a bottom-dwelling team.
@@lilbender7408sounds like it was specifically the management of the Nordiques not anything against French Canada in general
Why not...what was the problem
I dont blame Lindros. Quebec city was a desolate wasteland for hockey players. Flyers sucks also though
It was the owner Aubut that he didn't want to play for. I don't blame him. I wouldn't to play for that sleazebag either.
Why would you want to play for a team in a shit hole province that hates you for speaking english? I wouldnt! and considering they lost their team (rightfully so) he made the smart move.