From Polygamy to Plural Monogamy: Sam and Melissa React to "Sister Wives" Season 15
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- Join Sam and Melissa on their journey as they navigate the complexities of polygamy and religious backgrounds while reacting to Season 15 of "Sister Wives." Coming from diverse religious upbringings, their perspectives offer unique insights into the dynamics portrayed in the show. From personal experiences to cultural observations, follow along as they share their thoughts, challenges, and reflections on this compelling reality series.
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When Christine left she was able to use the sale of her house that was in her name to finance her purchase of a new home back in Utah. If they had all been living in one home she wouldn't have been able to do that and would have basically been destitute if she left Kody. I think even at this point she was realizing that her marriage was over and she would need a safety net, and that's why she fought against the one house so much. In the end it was a really smart decision for her.
Ysabel's surgery was the epitome of Kody showing just what a worthless man - much less father - he is. He didn't care if his daughter needed the surgery. He didn't care (or even know) how much pain she was suffering. He didn't pay anything towards her surgery. He didn;t give any indcation that he cared at all about Ysabel's health or recovery. He was mad at Christine and didn't love or care for her, so he basically cut ties with her children. I cannot truthfully think of anything he could do to redeem my opinion of him.
My son had similar surgery. It’s not pretty. Recovery can be tough. It’s massive change to their bodies.
The idea that he “noped” on her makes me so angry
Absolutely he is a loser
It broke my heart, hearing Ysabel calling for her Dad, when in the Recovery Room.
He had the audacity to call the surgery trip a vacation! 🤯
"If she'd hurry up and recover, it'd just make me feel so much better about it." He's vile.
There are so few men who comment on this show. Watching Sam get so frustrated and upset about the way Kody treated Ysabel was validating to the fact that there are good fathers out there…and Kody Brown isn’t one of them.
The surgery episode was a turning point for a lot of sister wives fans. Kody became irredeemable. He could never possibly recover from the way he treated Isabelle.
it was revealed that Kody told Ysabel he couldn't go to her surgery because he couldn't be away from his FAMILY ... Ysabel is his daughter, evidently this isn't family
My 5yo daughter had emergency brain surgery in the middle of the pandemic. My husband was not allowed to enter the hospital with us, and it was so incredibly traumatic for him. I cannot fathom him even considering these ideas, let alone communicating them to our child. I’m sick to my stomach just hearing about it.
We're so sorry that your family had to deal with that experience 😢❤️
How is your daughter doing?
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy thank you, it was a difficult time but our girl was so strong!
@@LisaHouserman she’s incredible. That was brain surgery #5, but she has defied every odd and is a pretty typical 2nd grader. She’s a happy, sassy, funny as heck 8 year old now!
@@laurenhelms1161 Aweee GREAT to hear hun!! XO ❤️
Can we all agree Kody is a horse’s end?
Prefer the horses end !
Gabe and Garrison were working essential jobs. That was not acceptable to Kody. Kody called the surgery a vacation.
Kody's sons had jobs. Many people worked during covid. He told them they were not following rules & called their girlfriends a place to "get their pencils wet". Also he wanted Janelle to kick them out of her home because they were over 18 during the pandemic when people were being told to stay put. He is a monster & a cruel so called father.
He didn’t object to their jobs, he objected to them being with their friends and girlfriends. Frankly, my family didn’t do any of that either, I didn’t even visit my parents for 11 months.
@@mandarinfox1813 Kody told Janelle to kick them out of her house because they were over 18 even though there was a pandemic. Why, so Kody could spend a few minutes with Janelle outside when ever the whim came over him. Did he want the boys to be homeless? Please with the pandemic. We had to grocery shop. Wore a mask & gloves & we are seniors.
@@mandarinfox1813 he actually did object to them going to work and school. And Gabe said his girlfriend was being very concerned about COVID. You were permitted to be with immediate family, family members who were vulnerable and needed your care. There was no reason not to visit your parents for 11 months unless they decided that for you or were out of state as it took a while for travel to happen. Some in healthcare stayed away from family longer as they were more at risk of catching it and didn’t want the blame. Others didn’t swear to offer care at personal risk to themselves. Garrison would have gotten the shot among the first. Kody didn’t get the shot. A lot of the rules he wrote down in October of 2020 people had been told since summer were unnecessary. It did not stop Kody from going to an out of state funeral and instead of hunkering down at Janelle’s upon returning or hiding in Robyn or Meri’s basement before seeing Robyn and the kids it right through the door to kiss and pick up the little ones. Then he realized there was a way to test to let xmas gathering happen after he broke protocol. You all forget it is a virus. It’s not a sin to catch or transfer a virus to another living creature. It’s not a character flaw. Even when Kody got it the others not allowed in.
I had surgery during COVID. The day of surgery, we had to tell two siblings to stay home because surgery waiting room only allowed 2 visitors. Even if you took turns going to the room, one at a time, the hospital limited the people in the waiting room. But after surgery, my sister from out of town left her adult family and stayed with me for two months. She didn’t quarantine in town before staying with me. She was family. We masked up for all my appointments. Masked up to grocery shop. Kody could have flown out to be with Ysabel after surgery during recovery. He and Christine could have taken turns seeing her in the hospital. Once Ysabel was stable and starting to walk, he could have flown home. If there’s a will, there’s a way. But to say to your daughter could you go alone was preposterous.
1. Around the time of Ysabel's surgery, Kody tooted off to officiate his friend's wedding with no mask, on him or anyone at the wedding, and we see a lot of footage of Kody dancing up close with everyone he could. 🤢
2. I grew up middle of the road protestant, and had thoughts/visions/drams that I would have six kids, and life gave me zero. I call it mothering instinct. On the flip side, I mentored and "mothered" many kids during my 35++ years teaching.
Yes! I just mentioned the wedding as well! I couldn’t believe it.
Do any super fans know the months the surgery and the surgery occurred? The way the show was cut, time really changed masks fast at one point plus more right wing areas versus left had VERY different relationships with masks, particularly after 2020 turned to 2021.
Does anyone watch the show? The wedding was over a year and a half after Ysabel’s surgery. Ysabel went in September of 2020 at the height of the pandemic. You couldn’t even go to testing sites yet. Kody went to the wedding in 2022! By then there were vaccinations, Covid testing. He tested before he went and after he came back. Ysabel’s surgery would have been over 2 weeks and the wedding he was gone 3 days. Not to defend him, it’s totally different years, and situations.
@@mardyross2838so true! My city still had us in masks and socially distanced in April 2022. We were frankly still in them until August 1! Hospitals kept us in them until this year.
They weaponized Covid. It’s so distressing. In Washington State our Governor locked our city down until October 2020 you couldn’t even get a haircut. He lifted it, and we re-ected him, the week after the election he locked down everything again. Every playground, pool, hot tub, even though you could only go in with your own family. Heck, he banned outdoor fishing.
Ysabel and Christine are not his family. Only Robyn. He broke Ysabel's heart as she found out her dad didn't see her as a daughter anymore, just an extension of a mother he hated at that time.
All comments on Ysabel’s surgery!! Yes. It was so heartbreaking and sick to watch. They quarantined in a hotel before the surgery and then the post op. It was a lot of time but it’s YOUR KID!!! I think it’s the same season, perhaps it’s the next, he goes and officiates a wedding and dances with people, not a mask in sight- while chastising Janelle and Christine for traveling to see family. It’s truly is all about him. As Sam was saying, he was upset that the surgery would disrupt his life with his family w Robin.
Kody is a very, very selfish man. He's like a spoiled child! Grow up, Kody! 🙄
In S1, the Brown family tried really hard to portray polygamy as positive but even then there were clearly cracks in the facade. And as time went on, it just got bigger and bigger until they finally cracked wide open.
Very true!
Ever look at the past few years of Christine and wonder if she didn't have a plan all along to promote against that which she married into? I waffle on that thinking but I think she was clever enough to.
@mardyross2838 interesting... do you mean she went into this or this became her plot at some point throughout the show?
@@dleehou1982I think it’s more likely that given her children’s neurodivergence, perhaps her brain works similarly and Christine is completely comfortable being open and honest. No need to hide thoughts/feelings.
@@mardyross2838 Christine was very pro-plural for years. She grew up in a family that she thought successfully lived the principle. She actually went on talk shows and went to conferences before the show started to talk about the positives of the lifestyle.
I really think the fact that Robin was added to the family while she was pregnant and did not receive the support she asked for. I think when they started to live separately her independence started to emerge and she started to rethink things.
Still listening!! I have 4 children. I never had a feeling or thought that they were children waiting for me. I grew up baptist!!
I would love to hear about how Sam’s dad and his moms worked their relationship in comparison to how Kody handled the family. I would love to hear how his moms worked together or conflicts they had and how they were resolved? Also if sam feels comfortable, if all the moms are still sister wives with his dad to this day, thank you!
I think Christine realized they went to Flagstaff due to Robyn’s child Dayton going to college there and no other reason
The original kids felt they were full siblings to each other. Don’t understand why they can’t see David, Aurora, Breanna, Sol or Ari. Robyn can hold Avalon. And Sol can hug Mykelti. And they live out of state. But Ari can’t touch Truely in Christine’s backyard the next day.
Or Meri who isolated alone in her home for months!
My take on Kody being mad at Christine for “traveling”. Well since no one locally was interacting with her family, she went to visit her kids who were quarantined.
She also publicly announced getting the shot spring of 2021. From a child of Kody neither Kody or Robyn got the jab at least prior to them catching COVID in 2021 October.
I thought it was super rude for Kody to say to Ysabel that was she going to be a bitter housewife if he didn’t go. Ugh
Kody was wrong. It would make her a bitter DAUGHTER.
He tried so often to get digs in at Christine, so he apparently didn't care if his words hurt his daughte r
Kody considers his wives asking him for anything that a wife may need from her husband as "nagging". That is what his wives are to him nags. He has zero respect for any woman.
Kody going between the houses meant they vould have seen eachother. He would have been a super spreader. Also Kody and Robyn trusted the nanny and the nannys husband coming and going. And in the end the nanny and one of their kids brought them Covid. The irony of it all
The Nanny didn’t give a single one of them Covid. They all tested. Breanna gave them Covid a year later, which she caught in High School, while masked and socially distanced!
I am a Christian and I have never felt having children had anything to do with spiritual, or even personal instincts about needing another child. I have 2. This feels very Mormon to me. Love your channel!
I'm catholic, and we don't believe in pre-existing kids, that we have to bring to earth. Some other people I know (catholic, protestant and others) had dreams about kids/had a feeling like Melissa did. But I first heard of "having to bring all the souls to earth" when I watched Sister Wives and Robyn talked about it (as you mentioned it). Your videos are great! Keep up the good work, I really enjoy watching your videos and I learn something new every time. :)
Friends, I grew up Christian. And I did most definitely have feelings and dreams over children that was lost. I miscarried a baby girl, my father had a dream I was carrying a baby girl. Not knowing I was pregnant. Also I am a grandmother now, and a few years ago I was having serious heart trouble, and I did feel my life before my eyes a bit. And I felt strongly empresed, that I have yet to meet all my grandchildren. And indeed, there was a baby born to my youngest son and his wife. And my spirit was most definitely meant to meet his spirit. Family is precious and dear, I think it is a life surrounded over to Jesus. That lets us know these things. Love you both so much.
Wow! Grandmotherly instincts as well 😊Thank you!
I really like your story! Made me think of when God said to Jeremiah, “Before you were in your mother’s womb, I knew you.” This does not mean that their are spirit children waiting for bodies, but more that God is omnipotent. Another Bible scripture comes to mind when King David said, “you (meaning God) knit me together in my mother’s womb.”
I do agree with you. My family and I having visions and prophecys about children in the womb. However we don't believe that their are spirit babies in Heaven waiting to come to earth. I have seven babies living in Heaven. When I was pregnant with my twins; I hadn't had an ultrasound yet. I was so excited telling my mom and siblings. I hadn't told anyone I thought I was carrying twins. My seven year old brother; touched my stomach and said "wow twins". My mom didn't want to get excited about the pregnancy; because she later told me it was because God told her I was pregnant with twins; something is wrong; I would be having my third misscarage. Thankfully I do have two rainbow babies who are now teens.
To quote the classic film *Clueless* , “ *you divorce wives, not children* !”
As far as the kids questions, I think the Mormon belief in a pre mortal life influences the feeling of a child waiting for you, or another spirit awaiting your decisions. It’s never occurred to me that a person/spirit child is waiting for me or my husband and I to bring them to earth. We word the child question in the form of, should we have another baby, should we try to have another child biologically or adopt, do you think our family is complete, etc.
So interesting though the obligation to obey in this regard that Mormonism/belief in premortal life puts upon a husband and wife because the consequences are quite extreme if you’re “wrong”
Thank you for sharing your insight to our question! ☺️
I grew up Christian and no one ever talked about pre birth experiences. However, I did feel like I knew my sons and one of my grandsons when they were born.
i grew up catholic and i have yet to have children but when my grandmother passed away we had a full out catholic funeral with some traditions i didn't even know we did. But, when we were going through the things she had left for each of us there was a little Inuit doll for me (We're indigenous) and the doll has twin babies on her back. And i had always thought i would have twins since i was a little kid so i think that you can be raised in religion and still have that intuition especially as a woman. Even though i haven't had them yet i do believe i'm going to have twins one day. I love the channel and all you guys do
Thank you❤️ So interesting! Thank you so much for sharing your experience 😊
Christine didn’t want the big house because she was already planning to leave and she would have had to sell the house in her own name only. I don’t think Meri wanted to put her money into it either. Janelle was the only one on board.
I think Meri worried because she’d just watch Kody going to his other wives and ignore her! He promised Flagstaff would be a new start for them, but it was a lie! Originally she loved the one home.
Kody didn't contribute to the fundraising for Ysabel's surgery ($45,000)but had $8,000 to contribute to the Trump campaign! Also, after the surgery, he didn't help with her care.
This is sickening.
I was raised Lutheran and am now an atheist. I never had any inclination that I should/would have a specific number of children. I have only heard of this predetermined 'bringing' of children in Mormonism.
The situation with Ysabel was infuriating and revolting. Anger and disgust is the appropriate reaction to Kody’s behavior.
A lot of people used COVID to not work or be around family members. Kody was one of them.
Janelle was training as a health coach/life coach at the time. We are both grads of the same program. It was interesting to watch her try to facilitate coaching sessions as we were taught with Kody and the women..
Oh that's such interesting insight. thanks for sharing!
Wow, thank you for sharing this insight!
Kody could have done 2 weeks Robyn, 2 weeks at Janelle, 2 weeks at Christine and then 2 weeks and Meri who is alone and then do Robyn’s house.
The four adults didn’t have equal say or sway in what they would do during COVID. Even Kody said to Robyn can’t Ari and Sol go visit Meri can she sit on her lap. And Meri was alone. And Robyn said not we can’t loosen the rules. But the rules in place made it okay for Meri to interact with Robyn’s kids. It was so controlled by Robyn.
Oh interesting! Maybe season 16 will shed some more light on this.
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy it might be the second episode of 16th season. He is making a trip to Meri’s to dig extra fire pits. Which makes little sense since she rents. But whatever. He asks Robyn while saying Meri has been quarantine, alone for weeks if he could take the little ones and let her near them. She said nooooo. The thing is if Gwen was okay that Gabe had a job and Janelle okay that Ysabel had surgery the only family that was nervous was Robyn’s. Why did she get Kody? He could have done the rounds with the other 3 homes or 2 since Meri doesn’t matter anymore. Then spend 2 weeks alone in Robyn’s basement and then see Robyn and the kids there for a time. This didn’t need to be this way while respecting the craziest person in the rooms feelings over this. Kody didn’t see the boys once they had immunity. It was not about COVID. Janelle hit the nail on the head much later when she said it didn’t matter what they did, it would not be good enough or not believed. They were wiping down mail long after CNN said to stop that already. 2 of Janelle’s among the first given the vaccine as they were military. Kody and Robyn according to daughter never vaccinated. There are reasons not to like allergies for a tiny percent of people but not these people… And TLC never corrects his misinformation. They don’t make mention of the date of a scene saying vaccine available as of April 2021. Or OTC test kids available November 2020. Or whenever they were available.
Yes, Kody told Robyn that Meri had been completely isolated and followed ALL his rules, he wanted her in the house with them and the kids. Robyn stopped it. It’s too bad because I think he was feeling very fondly towards Meri then and the respect she had for him.
Don't forget kodi asking ysabell " you're not gonna become a bitter housewife" the horribleness of that man.
51:10 in
Raised in S. Baptist church. Inclination was definitely NOT taught, but I did have dreams in my younger years that when my boys were younger I had those "dejavu" moments.
I appreciate you guys spending the time and effort to put in such a thorough review and conversation.
Kody gives me the creeps.
Omg same right from the start I thought this
I am a Christian, Roman Catholic to be exact. As little girl, sometimes I used to picture myself as a mom with a baby girl (sometimes twin girls). By the time I was an adult, I had decided not to have children because of my experiences living in poverty in a large family as a middle girl. The man I eventually married had to promise me "no kids". Unfortunstely, after marriage, he kept pressuring me to have one. I kept having recurring thoughts of the baby girl and gave in. Immediately, I started hsing
What happened?
Did not notice the outfit changes. Good insight.
Great video I loved hearing your take on the season. I wonder what it was like for polygamist groups during COVID. They already seem to tend to isolate. I wonder if it wasn't a big deal for them.
As far as the Browns I really didn't understand why they didn't get together. Our family got together during COVID. I didn't see all my friends but definitely family. It just felt very strange and I agree Kody and Robin treated the rest like acquaintances instead of family.
Convert at 17, my patriarchal blessing given five years later when I was having difficulty conceiving, told me I would "not leave off bearing until all the spirits I have contracted with have their tabernacles of flesh." I did go on to have three more children after that. I didn't have a feeling about having my children - I was supposed to do that so I could be happy, and raise good humans. I raised great humans but have always been miserable. Having children didn't help me to feel happiness.
I am Catholic and I have not had dreams about kids but mine is more about the afterlife. For about two weeks every time I closed my eyes to go to see I would see someone on a dock and they would walk closer and closer until it went dark. I never saw who this was but after two weeks my grandma died. So I believe that it was my Grandpa preparing me for her passing. Then for a month after her death, weird things would happen. One of the weird things that happen was, I heard someone tell me to step back and I did and then something fell off the top shelf at work. I looked around and there was no one in the room. Then most recently starting February 14th I would wake up with a horrible feeling that something was wrong. It got more and more clear as the days went up and on February 22nd I woke up knowing something was wrong with my Uncle. The evening of February 22 they found my Uncle dead.
They could have masked up and gloved up and hugged and had a good time.
Kody managed to anger 2 of the most gracious, understanding people I know of. That’s how you know he messed up big time with Ysabel.
Thanks for all the time & though you both put into your videos. I really enjoy all your content and I would stick with you for multiple hours. You both have a unique perspective on this show and present it with such kindness which is so refreshing.
I’m so glad I found this channel - I’ve learned so much from you both! Thanks for being so open about your lives and past experiences
Stayed right to the end guys, I love your content and hearing your thoughts and experiences. I grew up in a completely non religious family and knew from my late teens there would be no children in my future. It was nothing but a feeling I had which turned out to be true for medical reasons that weren't apparent to me before.
I totally agree it was so horrible how people in general really struggled to respect differing views. So many polarized views and people unwilling to see that people on both sides actually do care about people, but just different angles they are coming from.
I find it disgraceful how he didn't make it work to go with Ysabel to her surgery. The other kids would have been okay and you would have sent them a message that you would be there for them when they really need you for something big too.
It is also 'interesting' that Kody was most worried for the family with the young children related to covid when elementary school age kids literally had the lowest risk for serious injury and death of all the population. Young children during that time still had higher odds to die from car wrecks, choking, drowning, & other illnesses. It's like Kody forgot during that time people will die from something. And he kept them apart even after these stats were coming out.
Kody did not contribute financially to his daughter's spinal surgery. Nothing. Deadbeat dad.
Thank for your review, Sam and Melissa
You're welcome! 🙂
Still here at 51 minutes and counting keep em coming i rant right along with you! I swear my boyfriend must think I'm yalking to myself when I watch your videos lol! 😂
I have loved this longer episode!!!!!
I've never had the sense of future children and knowing what I was going to have ahead of time or how many I had to have before I was done. I actually had never planned to have any and now I have three, all spaced nearly seven years apart. The youngest was a HUGE surprise but so blessed. Love watching this from your viewpoints. Excellent job!
You guys are both so insightful! I love your empathy and commentary on kind of the possible psychological motives. I would rather listen to you break it down than listen to the actual episode 😂 you both are great.
Listened to the end, great review❤
Gabe and Garrison worked everyday they were essential workers. Robyn didn't wwnt contact. Meri was following ALL "Kody's rules." When Kody asked if she could come over, Robyn gave an excuse and said it's not the right time right now. Anyone else in the created bubbles between families. Kody chose not to get vaccinated and was extremely separate because Robyn.
Sadly Kody never wanted Yasabel to ge surgery from th4nstart because he didn't want to pay for it. So Covid was an excuse.
I was not raised religious and am not religious now (not necessarily an atheist, just agnostic, I suppose?) but I had a strong feeling my husband and I were meant to have two children. This was significant because he became paralyzed due to a spinal cord injury many years ago and we weren’t sure if it would affect his fertility (doctors said it might). We had two daughters naturally shortly after getting married. Can’t explain it but instincts are powerful!
This season was so hard for me to watch because I had an emotionally absent father too. I was traumatized by it. But when I was 18 I told him off, and cut him off, and he fought to fix his mistake. I’m forever grateful for my fathers humility and love that made him look inward and be a better dad for me. He died a few years later.
Kody missed that chance with Garrison. Kody’s arrogance is destructive to everyone around him, including himself.
I truly appreciate and enjoy listening to both of you. I have learned so much from you. I continue to have questions about the Mormon faith and practices.
This weekend I pĺan on binge watching your channel as i just recently subbed.
Anyone have any suggestions on any "must watch " for me?
Thanks in advance
And thank you for sharing what you do to help to educate those of us who want to learn and understand.
Your question is curious. In my world, yes I could hear and see where people or myself would feel there is a child for them. I did not grow up religious but was around a lot of Christians and I hadn’t really heard this. Love that you posed the question.
This episode WAS NOT TOO LONG. I prefer & look for podcasts that are 1 - 1 1/2 hours or longer. I like deep dives. There is no way you could have covered everything in less time
Wow what a great episode thank you for the review. So many things to talk about. The OG wives thought moving would change Cody's attitude to them. It didn't. I think Christine said the reason she didn't want the one house was because she would have been trapped, with no assets and unable to move away. TBH Cody was hoping to fix his relatioships the only way he saw - get the women together so they would stop bothering him. He wouldn't have given them any more time, but they would all comfort each other so he could spend all his life with Robin. We have to remember that all the wives contributed all their assets to coyote pass (some even more so) and once that was done Cody did not need them anymore. The dissolutionment created between his sweet talking all the wives into this move and the realisation that he didn't mean any of it probably cause the sudden change in the wives attitudes at that time. I look forward to your next video.
It’s not about HOUSE, it’s about how Kody treats her. He only wanted Robyn and Christine knew it before everyone else.
The fact that most of the kids didn’t have heath insurance most of their lives showed me what kind of father he is. The cost of Madison’s appendicitis would have covered the cost of insurance. Ps Kodi your not the only man to father a lot of children, and they manage to get their kids Heath insurance.
At 50 minutes in, and still loving it!
I think Robin was conflating her own feeling with a “message from God.“ As a born again, Christian, we are taught to test everything against Scripture. That doesn’t mean we don’t have instincts. I think those instincts help us protect our families, ourselves, and others. Back in the day I watched Oprah. She had somebody on talking about women’s safety, and he said “Humans are the only animals to suppress their instincts. Especially women who don’t want to appear rude.“
51:23 I'm still here!!! 🎉 I never heard of a religious based idea of preexistence until I saw that episode with Robyn. I didn't know that it was a thing until you discussed it!!! I didn't grow up with religion, until college, then I was in the Christian faith. I suppose I always attributed anything like that to women's intuition or personal "knowing"
My mother was a Christian. She had my brother in 1985 and me in 1992. She always said she just knew he was a boy and that I was a girl. She couldn't explain why, but she just felt certain and was right both times. She didn't have alternate names for either of us and she only got boy things for him and girl things for me. She had very good intuition about a lot of things.
You are absolutely spot on with regard to Christine & being a single Mum & Kody adding stress on them & disrupting their lives when he just turns up, totally agree with you. Also the thoughts of no partner, no friends, no family & being so lonely. I'm in exactly that position right now. My 3 sons are grown & fled the nest, I don't have family here or friends. So yes, absolutely spot on. I am a very strong woman but loneliness sucks.
I would like to see you guys too re-watch season 18 and see if you guys have a different take on it now that you have watched all the previous episodes. Loved this video. I watched the first 3 seasons but just felt they were hiding things and didn't watch it again.
Christine said she didnt want the one home as her kids would daily see their dad ignoring them for robyns kids and i think seeing him actually loving robyn was hard on her. The kids didnt want the big house either. I also know the wives would pay for the house but kody would own it and they would have nothing just like on cayote pass. He owns half of each wives land.
Also, during the conversations between Christine and Kody where she is so passionate about Ysabel’s pain I feel like Kody would not even recognize the actual pain because he was so anti-Christine by this point that he was not willing to accept the reality that his daughter was suffering. I guess my point is, it really shows Kody’s inability to trust Christine. Or even respect her as a mom. He does respond and jump when Robyn speaks though. I
At a young age knew I was not meant to have children. I think this was due to my environment. Everyone would say I would change my mind, but I never did. I wonder if other people have had this experience as well!? Where they really felt kids were not in their future.
I’m active LDS and I haven’t had any spiritual promptings to have a certain number of children, but I do want to have a lot. 😂 I do think it’s interesting to learn about how different people have different feelings or promptings about it.
when He did not go to this very complicated surgery and continued to be dismissal of His other Children..., and Used Cov'd as the excuse , I could not listen or even look at this so called Man through a Television screen, and If was in Robin shoe's, I would have said to Him , You best go and attend and be there for Your Child or You will not be welcomed in My home. Period..
Completely agree. Isabel’s surgery and pain was an inconvenience for him. Well said.
My dad (who adopted me when I was 12) always told my mom he always knew he’d adopt children. He didn’t know what that would look like but he married her when I was 4 and then adopted my brother and I later. Sometimes you just know what’s supposed to happen to you. I find it fascinating whether it’s religious inspired or not.
I have recently found your channel, so have watched a few videos and then went back to start at the beginning of your videos. I love your channel! You guys are great! I have left a very personal comment on one of your first early videos from 3 years ago. ( a video you did about what you now believe and leaving the LDS church, 42 min video I think)
I do hope you get a chance to read it 🙏😊
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Hi! Thank you so much ❤️ we'll try to go back and find your comment.
Still here at 52 minutes! This is so interesting.
!!! He called her surgery a vacation!!!!!
19:34 Yes!!! I'm on the same page with it being worse than a single mom!! I can't imagine (and when I was married I was a military wife wife a highly unpredictable life) not knowing if/when you're seeing your husband...ALL THE TIME!!
I won't ruin the next few seasons...but wow!!
BTW I love your channel!
I had RSV as a baby I was not labeled high risk… but my mom who HAS Lupus was.
Listened to the end- of course! I love listening to you two. I wasn't raised religious and I'm an atheist. I had a feeling I was going to have two boys. I did but then I still had a yearning for another child. So we had a 3rd and then I felt complete and done. I think if I had been raised religious I can see how I may have used different language for my experiences but I don't see them in that way.
I was not raised religious. Before I knew that I was pregnant, I had a very vivid dream. I was in a room that was completely pink with a crib and stuffed animals in it. I was holding up a baby dress and someone came and tap me on the shoulder and said you know it could be a boy. I woke up, knowing that I was pregnant, and that it would be a boy. I found out shortly that I was pregnant and he was a boy.
My mother was not religious, but had some new agey thinking. She often talk about the children choosing the parents that they were supposed to be with before they were born.
I don’t know if that answers your question, but that’s what I thought of when you asked .
I saw people use spirit babies against women in mormonism.
My mom had four kids and her and my dad decided the family was complete. When she went it to get a referral for getting her tubes tied her pcp denied it because he said that he prayed about it and saw that she had more babies in heaven waiting for her.
Made it to the end! Haha! You guys are very easy to listen to though, I’m glad you have longer videos.
I feel like more than half the women I know that have kids have said they knew when they were done. Regardless of religion, I think that’s something most women feel. That they know when their family is complete.
Mormons seem unique in the fact that they feel there are spirits waiting for them to bring to earth. I have not heard from anyone that they made promises. Lots of women do dream about babies and their families. And a lot of women seem to have an instinct about what the gender will be.
I would guess how Cody treated Ysabel was the nail in the coffin for Christine. I grew up in the Church of Christ and they did not believe there were spirit children waiting to be born. Your soul didn’t exist until your physical birth. I had no premonitions about my daughter. I married at 36 and was 41 when I had my daughter. I wasn’t even sure I could get pregnant at that age!
48:32 LOL I LOVE your videos, honestly I wish all of them were this long!!!! I find you two just wonderful to listen to, so insightful and thoughtful. I appreciate your perspectives so much!! I’m a nevermo but I find religion fascinating and grew up going to an interfaith youth group, living in a very progressive Protestant household, so I’ve always find peoples beliefs (religious, spiritual, or otherwise) so fascinating! I love your channel! lol I feel like I comment this on every video but it’s really true, so I’m saying it again!
As to your question, I don’t believe that things are predestined or like a child is meant to be, or is coming to my life, etc. I think there probably are people who aren’t religious who have those same feelings though! ❤️ I think people come to their own beliefs sometimes on their own, it’s definitely more likely to be influenced by their upbringing but I think it does still happen. :) ❤
Thank you again for your videos! Loved this one, and when you said at the beginning you could do one video per episode I almost jumped for joy cuz I always have wanted you to do that 😂😂😂
You are so sweet! ❤️ Thank you so much for your kind words and support ☺️
51:45 still here! Lol barely went to church as a child and the way I think is non religious. Did everything backwards. Had a baby, bought a house together, then got married then had our 2nd child. We’ve been married for 7 years. Together for 10!. I can say I did have an intuition of 3 babies. Life is weird but I had 1 pregnancy that didn’t come to fruition/ wasn’t planned. I planned for my 2nd pregnancy and was convinced I was done. 1 child and 2 bonus children were enough lol. I was in complete shock with my 2nd child. And he’s humbled me the most out of all 4 🥰
Thank you for making it to the end 😂 Life is so interesting! Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us ❤️
I had dreams about both of my children long before I had them. This was not taught to me in my faith. I always thought it was more mother’s intuition. I saw my son and daughter running through the woods and heard my daughter’s laugh before I was pregnant with either of them. The funniest thing is they are the ages they are today in that dream I had a decade ago. My kids are 8 and 7 and I just knew that in my dream and could see them from behind running through the woods in front of me and heard her laugh. I now truly believe that it was prophetic but my religion never taught that to me.
I don't think this plural marriage would have made it, but I wonder if their religious faith would have remained more intact if they had not done the TV show. What do people think? I'm also curious about the fate of other infertile women in fundamentalist Mormon sects. An interview with or about this painful issue would be interesting. What about men who have not been able to father children? Did their wives leave them?
When you watch this show and how it evolved you almost have to go back to the beginning and you see there was issue from day 1! They tell everyone there was issue before the show, before Robyn. The 3 wives were fractured but learned how to make things work because of the kids! Robyn came and he fell in actual love and not marrying for your religion. When you hear and watch other polygamist they live way different from the Browns all together. The Browns have been living a hybrid of polygamous and monogamous. It was never going to work. Christine got brave and decided to leave which created the domino effect! I think the show was a lie for the most part
The surgery could have been done within a year of her diagnosis (before Covid). Cody wanted to treat it with exercise which usually doesn’t have a good outcome.
Here after the 50min mark lol ...
I didn't grow up in a religious immediate family although we were caught Christianity but many women in my maternal line were spirituality inclined. I do not have children, but I have had dreams of having 2 children, boys! My sister (also not a mother) has also had a dream that I have had these children. She shared it with me one day and I said, "OMG, I had the same dream." We just have the gift in our family line that that is how God (Spirit, Ancestors ... whatever you want to call it) speaks to us and sends us encouragement, guidance and support. Look forward to sharing if that will come to pass.
My ex-husband had a dream and in that dream he saw me playing with a brown haired little girl and a golden-haired little baby boy. In that dream he also heard me telling the children that when I met their dad, he was driving an old diesel mercedes. He was currently driving that Mercedes and we did go on to have that brown haired little girl and her younger golden-haired brother. I have never been a religious person but he is. Although our relationship didn't pan out as partners, we have raised to amazing humans to adulthood.❤
The preexistance thing is completely Mormon. When we lived in San Antonio I met a Mormon gal and we started evangelizing each other by comparing religions. I am an Evangelical Christian so we did have religious things in common. She was HORRIFIED to find out that we didn't believe in the preexistance.
I’m not religious and I had no spiritual inclination about having my 2 kids, or even a maternal instinct about it. My husband and I decided together that we would have two and that was it. I also feel at peace about not having any more children but I know some moms struggle with the idea of “being done” even when they realize it’s for the best.
I once wrote a short story as a writing exercise as a newborn who had a pre-existence schooling experience about what life is like here on earth. It was definitely a thought provoking experience as a never Mormon woman
This is what makes the show: the lies, hypocrisy, gaslighting, and Jedi mind tricks that the family puts out. And I think what you guys see as Robyn trying to fight for polygamy is what we see, as avg Joe viewers, as her just trying to get her ideal version of polygamy.
Im here at the end. I’m not religious, but I had a dream before having my daughter. I knew it was a girl and I knew her name. I’m curious to see when she grows up because I saw her as an adult in my dream.
Oh wow! Thant's amazing. Thank you for sharing your experience and watching to the end😊
Christine's family lives in Utah. Think she wanted to be close to family because she has no support with Kody robyn and meri. So she wanted to be around family
UK follower here - I came from an agnostic family and there have been several incidents where I've sensed children 'destined' (for want of a better word) to be born for myself and close family/friends, which turned out to be absolutely true. I can't qualify WHY I sensed it, pure instinct is my best guess.
As for Kody, he's been a clod all the way through, which is a shame, because initially, I liked him.
I don't believe Kody ever wanted one big house. I think that narrative was producer driven. By that time Kody full on wanted to be with Robyn and Robyn never wanted to live with the other wives.
I agree. He knew nobody wanted it. So he pretended to want it really bad. He wanted to be with Robyn and Robyn only.
I am still listening and I was brought up Lutheran. No, I didn't have any instincts that a child was waiting for me. I just knew when the time was right for each of them. I had to work full time and take them to day care and two was all I felt I could handle.
I grew up protestant, and my husband and I planned on having two kids. We had a boy then a girl, I had blood pressure issues when having both and probably shouldnt have had another, but I felt very strongly like someone was "missing". I got pregnant again and wound up with bad preeclampsia, but I don't regret our decision because she was definitely supposed to be here ❤ when she was born I instantly knew our family was complete. I never felt my feelings were religious in nature, I'm not sure how to describe it but i just "knew".