This is great. Im a windsurfer and a windsurf foiler that is struggling with winging. I appreciate the breakdown, it’s a language I understand. I will definitely try finding the balance point, never thought of it. The strap to strap feet switch is the same as windsurf foiling. I quite like that. So instead of trying to forget windsurfing I can try and utilize it. Thank you.
Awesome. Hope it helps. Don’t forget to ride the foil. Let it glide you around the turn. If there’s any concern the foil is the problem, try someone else’s setup.
This is awesome. Thank you. I'v been watching this video o couple of times and finally some amazing progress this week. Finding the balance spot helped me make several foot switches and all the other tips helped me make several smoth gybes with full planing. The underhand grip, that you use fronthand ,makes the handover easier. So many good things in this video. Thanks!
Great video, and big help. With 32 years of windsurfing, kiting, and foil kiting I was up to #1 & #2 in 2 sessions without footswitching. This video has me on a mission. Thank You
I can’t take all the credit. Nick O’Bea started me thinking about it by telling me to put the mast so that you can stand with both feet at the front of the board without changing the board’s angle, but I’ve come to find that it works almost anywhere on the board as long as you know where it is. Right now, I like the lift to be between the front and back foot straps but a little closer to the front.
Surfers seem to pick up jibing faster than windsurfers, which is crazy. But I think it’s cause balance and riding the foil is the most important piece of the puzzle. I always tell people learning to jibe to just forget about the wing. Get it up high and see how far you can just ride the foil. Try doing a 360 with the wing over head and see how far you can get around. From what I’ve noticed, most people don’t ride the foil enough. Not enough front foot pressure and glide. You got this.
This is an amazing tutorial it looks so easy when you’re doing it. I have no control over my board or wing, But I hope after watching this video I will make a progress. 👍
It will happen. Part of it is getting on the right gear and getting it dialed in. Really focus on understanding where your balance point of lift is when you’re riding. The other part is just time on the water!
Superb job on the video.. the foot stuff really nice. I am heading out to keep on trying my jibes in Alaskan October storm.. I have come around to toe side a few times and sailed a bit but then crash.. former windsurfer so have those habits.. getting so close!.. I will be checking out mojave first part of november and ventana for parts of dec of 2022. Look forward to more of your instructional videos.
Nice! Let me know when you’re at Mohave. As a former windsurfer myself, I would advise trying get comfortable with the foil’s ability to pump and glide. You’ll be surprised how long it will stay on a “plane” compared to a windsurfer. Once you start unlocking the potential of the foil it changes the sport form windsurfing with a fancy fin to foiling!
@@wingmanfoilclub I am heading there nov 1 to 11 approx.. I have been told katherines landing is best place for winging? It will be my first time there. Will work on the Gliding.. I am flagging a bit, but not able to stay on wave/keep pumping for a long time.. i just build up speed and approach it from the side then ride a bit and pump a few times.. maybe 80 feet or so.
@@AkSeapilot not at all. There’s different spots depending on the wind direction. Some will have better wind on a south versus a north or more or less swell. 6 mile, 9 mile, Cabinsite, and Princess cove are all common launches
Thanks for getting back to me i start off the jibe the windsurf way get downwind were i change to surf way and wing goes above head . I think i then try to turn the board with my ankles not so much body leaning . Most of the time downwind the board wobbles and goes unstable . I have tried to hold my body position for full 180 degrees but 80% of the time the last part is hard to carve . I am lost
The first thing I would suggest is stop trying to turn 180 degrees. It’s much more difficult to rebalance and find the wind again if you are fully toeside on the complete opposite direction. Instead, end your jibe motion while still heading slightly downwind or on a broad reach. This will allow you to ride more flat to the water. Then you can find the wind again and once you have your balance then carve upwind or switch feet. Also, are you starting your jibe with the front hand facing up? That will allow you to flip the wind and switch hands with no hiccups and makes completing the jibe easier. If you can get someone to take video of you jibing, you can upload it to the WFC forum on the wingmanfoil.com/forum and I will analyze the footage. I offer free online coaching there.
I think I’m half surfer jibe. Half windsurf jibe. I definitely power into the turn. That’s the fun part. I don’t often power out of the turn though, unless I’m doing a piru challenge of course haha.
I took a pvc pipe and epoxied a GoPro mount to the end. Then you stick the PVC pipe into the back of your wing strut before you inflate it. Make sure you tie the go pro off to the back handle.
The water instruction and filming was awesome. Thank you Note: please list in info about gear used, your weight, location wind speed etc. You are correct about Axis, I hear and read mounds of great things, for sure going to be my first upgrade foil. Still on the fence if carbon mast is worth it over their aluminum???
Im probably 195 pounds in this video. Wind was around 15-20 mph I think. I was on 6.2 Cabrinha Mantis V1 medium powered. I usually ride a big wing though so not the best for comparison. Board is 65L AXIS Froth. Foil was PNG 910b with 90 cm aluminum mast and either 400 speed or 375 progressive tail. Can’t remember. Ultrashort or short fuse. Aluminum mast is a perfectly good choice. It’s what I ride, and I attempt all sorts of stuff on it. Flakas, backflips etc. I have also taken it to 27 mph on the ART 799. I believe it can go faster too. It’s stiffer than any carbon mast on the market Im told and stiffness is most important for winging.
@@haenagirl1 haha. I foil in the ocean too often. You just have to time the jibes a little. The swell can actually help if you use it to ride the foil. Don’t rush the jibe. Just ride the swell and foil through the turn. Use the “surfer method” if you’re on a swell, and use the “windsurfer method” if you need to turn quickly on a dime to avoid swell.
Have used your footage to learn how to jibe one thing that happens 80% of the time my wing leash raps around my elbow think this happens to you I can not work it out hate leashes . I have a north wing with the wrist leash that comes with it , I would like to stay with the wrist leash any ideas . I have seen the wind blowing the leash slack mid turn do I hold my spare arm down to the last minute ! .
Im a big fan of a long waist leash. Not only does it stay out of the way and allow maneuvers like the behind the back tack and jibe, but it frees up both arms for paddling out in shore break or onshore wind. It also keeps the wing further away from the board when you let go of it. When I use a board leash o use the North calf leash to keep them separate. But even if you are using a wrist leash, you could try adding a dynema cord extension of a foot or two. That might keep the leash hanging low enough to not get stuck. You should also try different types of leashes (bungee, webbing bungee, and coil) to see which works best. Maybe even the Kaohi invisa-leash. The other thing that might help is a leash with a swivel on it.
Great question. If you’re used to footstraps from windsurfing or kitesurfing it might be helpful. Having more control of the board can make a big difference and allow you to turn tighter. If you’re from surfing then it might feel foreign. Getting your feet out of the footstraps can be tricky. I learned with footstraps from basically day one and it really helped me as a former windsurfer and kiter. One option to consider is just using the front footstraps.
A lot! Haha. I think I’m around 195 in this video. Started winging at 215 in January. Down to 190 on a good day eating Captain Crunch and Taco Bell every day.
@@wingmanfoilclub Niice! I'm about 190 on a 115L board but getting ready to go smaller. I'm just starting to jibe on foil and love how you break it down! Much appreciated. I'm on an axis 1120 but may go to the 1150 for the better glide. Not quite ready for any ART wings yet. The new Mantis v2 wings are awesome, so much more grunt than the older mantis and crosswing x2. Just watched your pumping is chumping edit. Good one!
@@ColoradoMikeC wait for my next video. Really interesting comparison of ART and PNG with me working on my tacks. I would recommend you try 880 HPS with 400 tail. Really great daily driver setup for winging our size. Maybe 85L board.
@@ColoradoMikeC and yeah maybe 1150 for light wind. I haven’t tried BSC but that might be a good light wind option too. Glide isnt everything. Low stall speed is nice too for learning new stuff. But HPS and PNG are a nice compromise.
@@wingmanfoilclub Interesting about the 880. just over 1000 sq cm. People have recommended the 1050 HPS as well. It's a possibly candidate for sure. I live near high altitude lakes and wind is iffy. It's either nuking or barely enough, hence my 1120 and thinking about an 1150. Wish I could try/ buy them all. Eventually I'm sure I'll have a quiver. stuff is so expensive! I'll check your comparison video coming up before I buy anything!
Oh god, I'm a very early beginner in this (have been up on foil half a dozen times), and that 'Finding the balance' part with you walking around/putting your feet next to eachother on the board makes me feel sick to the stomach, haha. I'm sure as I develop my balance and feel on the foil that will change, but right now: nope.
You will! It takes time, but eventually you’ll be amazed how you the foil becomes an extension of your body. Don’t forget different foils and setups will be more stable than others. Check out my video on tuning your foil to see some ways to make it more stable (example: longer fuse, bigger tail, shimming). Keep it up! I’ll be launching a new weekly video series soon going over every beginner topic. Stay tuned for another big announcement video tomorrow.
Good breakdown. I’d recommend against that shuffle with two feet in the middle of the board though. Learn to do a quick 2-step instead so when you get into waves you have it wired.
I think starting with the shuffle on the center of lift is a key component in learning to jibe. Once you understand where the lift is and where you can just stand and ride with both feet in one spot, then you can use that spot for the quick foot switch and know that is where you can move your foot during the quick foot switch and the board won’t move. We aren’t using that method forever. We are using it to learn.
Exactly. Being able to do something at all beats failing to do it the “best” way. Eventually your muscle memory takes over and you can do it with ease!
This is great. Im a windsurfer and a windsurf foiler that is struggling with winging. I appreciate the breakdown, it’s a language I understand. I will definitely try finding the balance point, never thought of it. The strap to strap feet switch is the same as windsurf foiling. I quite like that. So instead of trying to forget windsurfing I can try and utilize it. Thank you.
Awesome. Hope it helps. Don’t forget to ride the foil. Let it glide you around the turn. If there’s any concern the foil is the problem, try someone else’s setup.
This is awesome. Thank you. I'v been watching this video o couple of times and finally some amazing progress this week. Finding the balance spot helped me make several foot switches and all the other tips helped me make several smoth gybes with full planing. The underhand grip, that you use fronthand ,makes the handover easier. So many good things in this video. Thanks!
Love to hear that! Keep it up!
Echoing what Scott said. Such a great breakdown. Probably the best tutorial I’ve seen. Nice work Rob!
Thanks. Crushing it out there!
Great video, and big help. With 32 years of windsurfing, kiting, and foil kiting I was up to #1 & #2 in 2 sessions without footswitching. This video has me on a mission. Thank You
Awesome. It’s worth the time spent practicing!
Finding this center place in the board its a great advice, the first i see it, im completely agree than
I can’t take all the credit. Nick O’Bea started me thinking about it by telling me to put the mast so that you can stand with both feet at the front of the board without changing the board’s angle, but I’ve come to find that it works almost anywhere on the board as long as you know where it is.
Right now, I like the lift to be between the front and back foot straps but a little closer to the front.
Incredible Video Wingman. I learn more from this video than anything else I have seen on the internet. Great Job. Thank you for Sharing! Scott P
Thanks for the kind words. Glad it helps.
Probably the best tutorial I’ve seen !
Thanks!
Glad to see there is a method for surfer dummies. Maybe I have a chance.
Surfers seem to pick up jibing faster than windsurfers, which is crazy. But I think it’s cause balance and riding the foil is the most important piece of the puzzle.
I always tell people learning to jibe to just forget about the wing. Get it up high and see how far you can just ride the foil. Try doing a 360 with the wing over head and see how far you can get around. From what I’ve noticed, most people don’t ride the foil enough. Not enough front foot pressure and glide.
You got this.
This is a phenomenal video. Thank you for taking the time to put this video together.
Glad you found it useful!
This works. Find that balance point!
Very good point: to find the sweet spot on the board when we can put both feet at the centre and keep the foil going.
I think it’s a very important concept that isn’t talked about. Once you understand that concept it changes the way you think about foiling.
great information. nice and clear and simple.
What a great video with detailed explanations. Thanks 🎉🎉🎉
You’re welcome. Hope it’s helpful!
This is an amazing tutorial it looks so easy when you’re doing it. I have no control over my board or wing, But I hope after watching this video I will make a progress. 👍
It will happen. Part of it is getting on the right gear and getting it dialed in. Really focus on understanding where your balance point of lift is when you’re riding. The other part is just time on the water!
Superb job on the video.. the foot stuff really nice. I am heading out to keep on trying my jibes in Alaskan October storm.. I have come around to toe side a few times and sailed a bit but then crash.. former windsurfer so have those habits.. getting so close!.. I will be checking out mojave first part of november and ventana for parts of dec of 2022. Look forward to more of your instructional videos.
Nice! Let me know when you’re at Mohave.
As a former windsurfer myself, I would advise trying get comfortable with the foil’s ability to pump and glide. You’ll be surprised how long it will stay on a “plane” compared to a windsurfer. Once you start unlocking the potential of the foil it changes the sport form windsurfing with a fancy fin to foiling!
@@wingmanfoilclub I am heading there nov 1 to 11 approx.. I have been told katherines landing is best place for winging? It will be my first time there. Will work on the Gliding.. I am flagging a bit, but not able to stay on wave/keep pumping for a long time.. i just build up speed and approach it from the side then ride a bit and pump a few times.. maybe 80 feet or so.
@@AkSeapilot that’s great. Sounds like you’re killing it. I haven’t tried Katherine’s landing yet but so many good options.
@@wingmanfoilclub Hope you don't mind all the questions.. do you recommend somewhere else in november near or at mojave for winging over katherines?
@@AkSeapilot not at all. There’s different spots depending on the wind direction. Some will have better wind on a south versus a north or more or less swell. 6 mile, 9 mile, Cabinsite, and Princess cove are all common launches
Thanks for getting back to me i start off the jibe the windsurf way get downwind were i change to surf way and wing goes above head . I think i then try to turn the board with my ankles not so much body leaning . Most of the time downwind the board wobbles and goes unstable . I have tried to hold my body position for full 180 degrees but 80% of the time the last part is hard to carve . I am lost
The first thing I would suggest is stop trying to turn 180 degrees. It’s much more difficult to rebalance and find the wind again if you are fully toeside on the complete opposite direction. Instead, end your jibe motion while still heading slightly downwind or on a broad reach. This will allow you to ride more flat to the water. Then you can find the wind again and once you have your balance then carve upwind or switch feet.
Also, are you starting your jibe with the front hand facing up? That will allow you to flip the wind and switch hands with no hiccups and makes completing the jibe easier.
If you can get someone to take video of you jibing, you can upload it to the WFC forum on the wingmanfoil.com/forum and I will analyze the footage. I offer free online coaching there.
Great video... keep up the good work
I do what I can
I think I’m half surfer jibe. Half windsurf jibe. I definitely power into the turn. That’s the fun part. I don’t often power out of the turn though, unless I’m doing a piru challenge of course haha.
You're slowly becoming less surfer more windsurfer. It's called Evolution.
@@wingmanfoilclub a whole new meaning to “be a man learn to stand”
Thank you!
You’re welcome
This is so helpful, thanks a lot👍
Youre welcome!
very nice! thanks
For sure!
Nice to meet at the beach today. See ya in the water.
For sure. Nice to meet you too.
Great video! Thanks a lot! :) by the way, could you explain how did you put the camera on the wing? Best regards
I took a pvc pipe and epoxied a GoPro mount to the end. Then you stick the PVC pipe into the back of your wing strut before you inflate it. Make sure you tie the go pro off to the back handle.
The water instruction and filming was awesome. Thank you Note: please list in info about gear used, your weight, location wind speed etc. You are correct about Axis, I hear and read mounds of great things, for sure going to be my first upgrade foil. Still on the fence if carbon mast is worth it over their aluminum???
Im probably 195 pounds in this video. Wind was around 15-20 mph I think. I was on 6.2 Cabrinha Mantis V1 medium powered. I usually ride a big wing though so not the best for comparison. Board is 65L AXIS Froth. Foil was PNG 910b with 90 cm aluminum mast and either 400 speed or 375 progressive tail. Can’t remember. Ultrashort or short fuse.
Aluminum mast is a perfectly good choice. It’s what I ride, and I attempt all sorts of stuff on it. Flakas, backflips etc. I have also taken it to 27 mph on the ART 799. I believe it can go faster too. It’s stiffer than any carbon mast on the market Im told and stiffness is most important for winging.
I've watched a lot of how-to-wing-jibe videos. This is the best! Do you give lessons? I want some!
Just friends and noobies occasionally. Happy to share some tips if we ever wing together. :)
@@wingmanfoilclub where are you located? It looks like a lake.
@@haenagirl1 Im in Los Angeles. So I wing all the locations around SoCal.
@@wingmanfoilclub We're foiling in the ocean, it's a lot trickier jibing in waves, I'm always falling!
@@haenagirl1 haha. I foil in the ocean too often. You just have to time the jibes a little. The swell can actually help if you use it to ride the foil. Don’t rush the jibe. Just ride the swell and foil through the turn. Use the “surfer method” if you’re on a swell, and use the “windsurfer method” if you need to turn quickly on a dime to avoid swell.
Have used your footage to learn how to jibe one thing that happens 80% of the time my wing leash raps around my elbow think this happens to you I can not work it out hate leashes . I have a north wing with the wrist leash that comes with it , I would like to stay with the wrist leash any ideas . I have seen the wind blowing the leash slack mid turn do I hold my spare arm down to the last minute ! .
Im a big fan of a long waist leash. Not only does it stay out of the way and allow maneuvers like the behind the back tack and jibe, but it frees up both arms for paddling out in shore break or onshore wind. It also keeps the wing further away from the board when you let go of it. When I use a board leash o use the North calf leash to keep them separate.
But even if you are using a wrist leash, you could try adding a dynema cord extension of a foot or two. That might keep the leash hanging low enough to not get stuck. You should also try different types of leashes (bungee, webbing bungee, and coil) to see which works best. Maybe even the Kaohi invisa-leash. The other thing that might help is a leash with a swivel on it.
The besti nibe vudeo ever
Thank you! Means a lot!
Yeah! Nice video.
For sure I’m standing too tall going into the turns. Lol.
Good info here!
Thanks
You can stand taller than me especially once you get it down, I’m just exaggerating for the camera
Great instruction! Thank you. I that lake Piru? If so does it have pretty regular wind?
Yes. It has a good steady summer thermal when the wind is south. I don’t recommend it on summer weekends due to boat traffic.
@@wingmanfoilclub Thank you!
Hi Wingman, really great tutorial! Do you recommend using footstraps when learning to gybe? I have trouble keeping track of where my feet are!
Great question. If you’re used to footstraps from windsurfing or kitesurfing it might be helpful. Having more control of the board can make a big difference and allow you to turn tighter. If you’re from surfing then it might feel foreign. Getting your feet out of the footstraps can be tricky.
I learned with footstraps from basically day one and it really helped me as a former windsurfer and kiter.
One option to consider is just using the front footstraps.
awesome video! Subscribed! What do you weigh? And thanks for the goofy foot vid switch!
A lot! Haha. I think I’m around 195 in this video. Started winging at 215 in January. Down to 190 on a good day eating Captain Crunch and Taco Bell every day.
@@wingmanfoilclub Niice! I'm about 190 on a 115L board but getting ready to go smaller. I'm just starting to jibe on foil and love how you break it down! Much appreciated.
I'm on an axis 1120 but may go to the 1150 for the better glide. Not quite ready for any ART wings yet. The new Mantis v2 wings are awesome, so much more grunt than the older mantis and crosswing x2. Just watched your pumping is chumping edit. Good one!
@@ColoradoMikeC wait for my next video. Really interesting comparison of ART and PNG with me working on my tacks. I would recommend you try 880 HPS with 400 tail. Really great daily driver setup for winging our size. Maybe 85L board.
@@ColoradoMikeC and yeah maybe 1150 for light wind. I haven’t tried BSC but that might be a good light wind option too. Glide isnt everything. Low stall speed is nice too for learning new stuff. But HPS and PNG are a nice compromise.
@@wingmanfoilclub Interesting about the 880. just over 1000 sq cm. People have recommended the 1050 HPS as well. It's a possibly candidate for sure. I live near high altitude lakes and wind is iffy. It's either nuking or barely enough, hence my 1120 and thinking about an 1150. Wish I could try/ buy them all. Eventually I'm sure I'll have a quiver. stuff is so expensive! I'll check your comparison video coming up before I buy anything!
Oh god, I'm a very early beginner in this (have been up on foil half a dozen times), and that 'Finding the balance' part with you walking around/putting your feet next to eachother on the board makes me feel sick to the stomach, haha. I'm sure as I develop my balance and feel on the foil that will change, but right now: nope.
You will! It takes time, but eventually you’ll be amazed how you the foil becomes an extension of your body. Don’t forget different foils and setups will be more stable than others. Check out my video on tuning your foil to see some ways to make it more stable (example: longer fuse, bigger tail, shimming).
Keep it up! I’ll be launching a new weekly video series soon going over every beginner topic. Stay tuned for another big announcement video tomorrow.
Lots of the time I feel not very connected to the board like heel lift . Can not work it out
During jibes or just in general? Not sure I know what you’re describing, but if you explain it in more detail I might be able to help.
Lol
Just realized I have your leash belt!
My own leash belt and hook ordered!
Thanks
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The Sean Strickland of winging.
I don’t know what to do with that information.
Good breakdown. I’d recommend against that shuffle with two feet in the middle of the board though. Learn to do a quick 2-step instead so when you get into waves you have it wired.
I think starting with the shuffle on the center of lift is a key component in learning to jibe. Once you understand where the lift is and where you can just stand and ride with both feet in one spot, then you can use that spot for the quick foot switch and know that is where you can move your foot during the quick foot switch and the board won’t move.
We aren’t using that method forever. We are using it to learn.
With respect. of us are just not that good at wingfoiling. We need any solution we can find 😀
Exactly. Being able to do something at all beats failing to do it the “best” way. Eventually your muscle memory takes over and you can do it with ease!
Thanks
You’re welcome!