Ok. Here in Argentina this shoe will arrives in 2 years aprox. The V2 was the best I´d used. But the upper brokes before 300 kms. The third version is around 160 usd, and I know they improve the upper materials.
Great review! I got the rebel v3 last year after watching your review and was easily the most fun shoe I have ever run in. Just got the v4 and done a couple of runs. Although not as poppy and nimble as the v3 but evens out in comfort for longer runs and the stability that it offers.
Good to hear that wide toebox has not bothered you. I tried my normal size on and was swimming in the uppers with my narrow feet. Its hard to understand why NB uses such a rooym fit on the standard model when they offer a wide fit model!
Excellent and fair sounding assessment. Rebel is good… Nick still likes the Puma Velocity Nitro and Hoka Mach 5… Rebel on the plateless top spot conversation!
Was really looking forward to this Nick. I realize you opinion will evolve as you keep testing others this year, but am glad you like them. Sounds like NB bumped up their game with this Rebel, so indeed as you alluded, will be interesting to see how the SC Trainer has changed to differentiate it from the Rebel. Have avoided it last go-round because you were not keen on it. My guess? It's maybe more just a consumer market share issue. They might both do the trick as (albeit slightly different types of) dailies. They'll put two shoes out there that might be relatively similar but appeal to different audiences (Rebel after all might psychologically attract younger noon-athletes too ... or one group who prefers high stack and one who prefers lower). But I could not agree more with your regular, subtle mentions that it is perhaps more geared to speedier work, than long distance (tho hear you in that it has more distance in it now). Question: I personally LOVED the SC Elite V3s. My wife and I both ran our 2023 marathons in them. Would you agree with the following or suggest an alternative to this kind of rotation for 2024 for us. Would love your feedback (realizing other shoes to come out shortly): 1. Plateless Rebel V4s for speedier interval work 2. Plateness Triumph 21s for half the daily work and half of the long runs, alternating with 3. Plated SCElite V3s for the other half of the dailies and long runs (can get them cheap now and we just love them) 4. Plated SCElite V4s for distance races - half and full marathon 5. Plated Nike Vaporly 3s for shorter races - e.g. 10Ks in my case (and I have an almost new pair sitting just here) Our feet seems to prefer NB's protective comfy foam (I know, everyone is different) just that little bit more. Oh and we are not elite marathoners ... more the 3:30 to 3:45 types ... and ages 53 and 60) Thanks as usual, for your detailed, subtle, in-depth and thoughtful reviews. You're the best!
Hi! Thanks very much for the kind words, I think the rotation would work well, although if sticking to speedier intervals in the Rebel you could do just as well in the v3 too if you still have that! I liked the V3s more than most too, but the V4 will have a bit more oomph for those longer races, and hard to top Vaporfly for shorter stuff. It will be interesting to see if the SC Trainer really comes on strong with a PEBA foam, though probably more excited for the Pacer v2, as I think the new NB PEBA foam could work really well in a lower stack racer
@@jeroen1989 I have pair Cyclone 2, very good. Have Mach 5 and Endo Speed 3, exciting times. May get Rebel 4 later this year, after Endo Speed 4 and Mach 6.
Excellent review. I don't have wide feet but value toe box room in a plateless shoe. Could replace my Topo Athletic Cyclone 2s, which in turn could replace my fast wearing Saucony Sinisters. I'm sure the Topos will do a sub 20 5k if I can achieve that!
Topo Cyclone 2 is 100% pebax. The NB Rebel 4 is only 20% pebax. The Topo Spector 2 will be coming out in August. That shoe will also be plate less and 100% pebax. With a higher stack hieght than the Cyclone 2 that's probably going to click more boxes when it comes to versatility.
@@jefreywith1f924 If you can get the Cyclone for a similar price to the Rebel, it's a no brainer. Where I am in Canada, the Cyclone is hard to find, and over $100 CAD more expensive than the Rebel.
Got them couple of weeks ago, I must say that I actually bought them mainly for casual use and not running 😅 I take my dog for relatively long daily walks (2-4 km), and towards the end of the walks the cushioning drops, it is fairly noticeable... I also took it for a run, just to see how it is, and for me, it was fun only in fairly easy pace, then the cushioning was holding nicely and cloud like. when I picked up the pace, as the foam was compressed harder, the cushioning dropped significantly, and also it has almost no "pop". Somewhat of a disappointment in this respect. Very different experience than what I heard on reviews... Anyway I find it great for very light workloads and casual use, as it is very light, comfortable and cloudy.
I need to get 2 new pairs for rotation and replacement so really appreciate these great reviews. I’m looking at getting 2 from this list: AD Boston 12’s NB Rebel 4 AS Superblast PM Deviate Nitrate 2 Thanks for helping me narrow it down. RIP wallet and hello starvation
Rebel V3 was good and V4 sounds really good, thank you for the review! If the Rebel is the best shoe for your own running, what would be a similar light, agile trail shoe?
Two of my favourite shoes were the Peg Turbo 2 and the Fuel Cell Rebel v2, typically a mid/forefoot striker, and prefer a slightly lighter 'daily' shoe. Would something like this be a good next shoe based on the above? Was also considering the Adidas SL2 and Boston 12's.
Hi! I own a pair of Endorphins Speed 3 and would like to try the best ultra cushioned shoe for those days I want to relax and jog around! Should I go for the Rebels, the Nimbus, the Triumphs, the Ghosts, the Novablast, or what? Thank You! BTW great video as always!
Nick, puma velocity nitro 2 is really value for money as per your recommendation, providing nice comfort and protection for heel strikers. What about Rebel v4? Is the comfort and protection of Rebel v4 equal to VN2 or lesser? Hope for your insights as I am now seriously considering your recommendation for the exciting Rebel v4.
Hi Nick, I'm pretty new to running and am looking for a do-it-all shoe... after watching many reviews, I'm sort of stuck between the the rebel v4 and the Boston 12. Which would you recommend? Cheers
How does it fit length wise when compared to the Elite V4? I usually run a us size 11 in NB. Ended up sended a pair of Rebel V4 back to go down a size. I’m looking at picking up the elite in the teal color way later this year.
New Balance is one of the best brands for accommodating wider feet. They will almost certainly have a 2E option, but these shoes run on the wide side in their regular size (unlike previous editions).
Update; these fit me really well though I prefer the Adidas Boston 12 for the far more effective energy return. Though these are probably more comfortable in the upper and way lighter
You mention the v4 is just "a little bit" wider in the toe, but the pics show quite A LOT of puckering. WAY more than I'd feel comfortable running in. Just look at the Right foot. @4:41 There's a good cm of folded material in the forefoot! I've got a "Nike foot" so looks like I'll pass on the new v4. The v3 fit me just fine, but durability of the v3 was terrible.
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Fantastic review. Would love if you guys could one day do spider charts for all the shoes you review, would help in picking one so much.
Ok. Here in Argentina this shoe will arrives in 2 years aprox. The V2 was the best I´d used. But the upper brokes before 300 kms. The third version is around 160 usd,
and I know they improve the upper materials.
Great review! I got the rebel v3 last year after watching your review and was easily the most fun shoe I have ever run in. Just got the v4 and done a couple of runs. Although not as poppy and nimble as the v3 but evens out in comfort for longer runs and the stability that it offers.
How are you still liking them? I just got a pair and have not runned in them yet.
Waiting for Rebel V4 vs Mach 6
Looking forward to testing the Mach 6
Great detailed review as always. Thank you
Vs superblast also
Good to hear that wide toebox has not bothered you. I tried my normal size on and was swimming in the uppers with my narrow feet. Its hard to understand why NB uses such a rooym fit on the standard model when they offer a wide fit model!
Excellent and fair sounding assessment. Rebel is good… Nick still likes the Puma Velocity Nitro and Hoka Mach 5… Rebel on the plateless top spot conversation!
Was really looking forward to this Nick. I realize you opinion will evolve as you keep testing others this year, but am glad you like them.
Sounds like NB bumped up their game with this Rebel, so indeed as you alluded, will be interesting to see how the SC Trainer has changed to differentiate it from the Rebel. Have avoided it last go-round because you were not keen on it. My guess? It's maybe more just a consumer market share issue. They might both do the trick as (albeit slightly different types of) dailies. They'll put two shoes out there that might be relatively similar but appeal to different audiences (Rebel after all might psychologically attract younger noon-athletes too ... or one group who prefers high stack and one who prefers lower). But I could not agree more with your regular, subtle mentions that it is perhaps more geared to speedier work, than long distance (tho hear you in that it has more distance in it now).
Question: I personally LOVED the SC Elite V3s. My wife and I both ran our 2023 marathons in them. Would you agree with the following or suggest an alternative to this kind of rotation for 2024 for us. Would love your feedback (realizing other shoes to come out shortly):
1. Plateless Rebel V4s for speedier interval work
2. Plateness Triumph 21s for half the daily work and half of the long runs, alternating with
3. Plated SCElite V3s for the other half of the dailies and long runs (can get them cheap now and we just love them)
4. Plated SCElite V4s for distance races - half and full marathon
5. Plated Nike Vaporly 3s for shorter races - e.g. 10Ks in my case (and I have an almost new pair sitting just here)
Our feet seems to prefer NB's protective comfy foam (I know, everyone is different) just that little bit more. Oh and we are not elite marathoners ... more the 3:30 to 3:45 types ... and ages 53 and 60)
Thanks as usual, for your detailed, subtle, in-depth and thoughtful reviews. You're the best!
Hi! Thanks very much for the kind words, I think the rotation would work well, although if sticking to speedier intervals in the Rebel you could do just as well in the v3 too if you still have that! I liked the V3s more than most too, but the V4 will have a bit more oomph for those longer races, and hard to top Vaporfly for shorter stuff. It will be interesting to see if the SC Trainer really comes on strong with a PEBA foam, though probably more excited for the Pacer v2, as I think the new NB PEBA foam could work really well in a lower stack racer
Absolutely loving mine. So light they made my Saucony Endorphin Pro 2s feel heavy. What would be your race day pairing?
Great review, thanks! Would you pick these or the Endorphin Speed 4 for daily training? Thanks
Thanks! Yet to test the Speed 4, hopefully soon…
Was just about to ask...the speed are my go to for almost everything other than race day
Looking forward to Rebel 4 v Mach 6 v Endo Speed 4 review!
Vs topo cyclone 2
@@jeroen1989 I have pair Cyclone 2, very good. Have Mach 5 and Endo Speed 3, exciting times. May get Rebel 4 later this year, after Endo Speed 4 and Mach 6.
I have pair Cyclone 2, very good. Have Mach 5 and Endo Speed 3, exciting times. May get Rebel 4 later this year, after Endo Speed 4 and Mach 6.
Excellent review. I don't have wide feet but value toe box room in a plateless shoe. Could replace my Topo Athletic Cyclone 2s, which in turn could replace my fast wearing Saucony Sinisters. I'm sure the Topos will do a sub 20 5k if I can achieve that!
Topo Cyclone 2 is 100% pebax. The NB Rebel 4 is only 20% pebax. The Topo Spector 2 will be coming out in August. That shoe will also be plate less and 100% pebax. With a higher stack hieght than the Cyclone 2 that's probably going to click more boxes when it comes to versatility.
@@jefreywith1f924 I'm currently using the Cyclone 2 as a daily trainer but I might promote it to being my race shoe.
@@jefreywith1f924 If you can get the Cyclone for a similar price to the Rebel, it's a no brainer. Where I am in Canada, the Cyclone is hard to find, and over $100 CAD more expensive than the Rebel.
Between Rebel V4 and Speed 4... Probably getting the Rebel V4 and using my Saucony Pro 3 as a speed day shoe then get the Alphafly 3 for race day.
Got them couple of weeks ago, I must say that I actually bought them mainly for casual use and not running 😅
I take my dog for relatively long daily walks (2-4 km), and towards the end of the walks the cushioning drops, it is fairly noticeable...
I also took it for a run, just to see how it is, and for me, it was fun only in fairly easy pace, then the cushioning was holding nicely and cloud like. when I picked up the pace, as the foam was compressed harder, the cushioning dropped significantly, and also it has almost no "pop". Somewhat of a disappointment in this respect. Very different experience than what I heard on reviews...
Anyway I find it great for very light workloads and casual use, as it is very light, comfortable and cloudy.
I need to get 2 new pairs for rotation and replacement so really appreciate these great reviews.
I’m looking at getting 2 from this list:
AD Boston 12’s
NB Rebel 4
AS Superblast
PM Deviate Nitrate 2
Thanks for helping me narrow it down. RIP wallet and hello starvation
Thx for the review.
I love the V3, but the laces were too short. Had to replace them to get good lockdown.
I also didn't like the thin stretchy laces on the v3.
Thx for the review can I add it in my rotation with on cloudeclipse ( that I love so much ) , speed run ?
Rebel V3 was good and V4 sounds really good, thank you for the review! If the Rebel is the best shoe for your own running, what would be a similar light, agile trail shoe?
Two of my favourite shoes were the Peg Turbo 2 and the Fuel Cell Rebel v2, typically a mid/forefoot striker, and prefer a slightly lighter 'daily' shoe.
Would something like this be a good next shoe based on the above? Was also considering the Adidas SL2 and Boston 12's.
Hi! I own a pair of Endorphins Speed 3 and would like to try the best ultra cushioned shoe for those days I want to relax and jog around! Should I go for the Rebels, the Nimbus, the Triumphs, the Ghosts, the Novablast, or what? Thank You! BTW great video as always!
Great vid! Time for me to update my Tempus. Im about 110kgs. Which would you recommend NB 1080v13 or NB Rebel V4? Many thanks 😊
Nick, puma velocity nitro 2 is really value for money as per your recommendation, providing nice comfort and protection for heel strikers. What about Rebel v4? Is the comfort and protection of Rebel v4 equal to VN2 or lesser? Hope for your insights as I am now seriously considering your recommendation for the exciting Rebel v4.
As someone with a narrow foot, would you suggest getting a womens size in the rebel to get a little more narrow of a fit?
As a narrow foot guy, I never thought about that approach! Let me know how it works out
Hi folks, for those who have bought these - I'm an 8.5 in Nike, what size should I go with in New Balance?
Hi Nick, I'm pretty new to running and am looking for a do-it-all shoe... after watching many reviews, I'm sort of stuck between the the rebel v4 and the Boston 12. Which would you recommend?
Cheers
Great review, which one more toe space (width) .. Rebel V4 or Speed V4?
Most definitely rebel, plus they come in wide
@@prwnrdy Thank you. We don't get wide option in Greece..
If NB doesn't offer wides in Greece, assuming Saucony doesn't either, I'd guess the Rebel is wider, this shoe looks very accommodating.
Hello, I heard the reports of lock-down issues, bunching or Achilles rubbing in Rebel v4?
Did NB change the upper on the newer colorways? I tried some on today and the upper didn't feel weirdly big/roomy.
Did you test the deviate nitro 2? The carbon plate is not rigid, and a nice shoe for any kind of use during trainning
How does it fit length wise when compared to the Elite V4? I usually run a us size 11 in NB. Ended up sended a pair of Rebel V4 back to go down a size. I’m looking at picking up the elite in the teal color way later this year.
Give me the Pacer V2 New Balance! Just take my money already!
I want it so baaad
The rebel might be fast but it could never keep the pace at which Nick speaks.
its that comfortable for everyday walking & sometimes long standing?
Any update on how the Rebel fares 100miles plus? I've heard some mixed reviews of its durability. The only thing that would turn me off this shoe.
I'd heard that the v4 foam was much firmer than v3. How did that seem for you?
better than the superblast? that’s exciting!
Totally separate question but where’d you get your watch band?
What is the heel collar like on this shoe? is it similar to the 3 minus the flare, or is it a firmer heel collar like the NB Elite V4?
Is this shoe good for training for 10ks? To like get faster on 10ks
Is the upper 2 layer? The external a very thin mesh and the inner a thicker one?
Used 9.5 us on my v3s should i still get the same size or go down half a size
How would you position it compared to On CloudEclispe? thank you :)
I’ve tried both, these make the ON’s feel heavy
FuelCell 4 vs Endorphin Speed 4?
Was the old fuel cell not peba?
This sounds good news if wider fit now as may be an option for my wide feet as don’t think they do a 2e width?
New Balance is one of the best brands for accommodating wider feet. They will almost certainly have a 2E option, but these shoes run on the wide side in their regular size (unlike previous editions).
The v3 had a wide option so i'm sure v4 has one too.
Do you think it is thus maybe suitable for people with a hammertoe;)? (Hoping for it)
Even the v3 had decent room for hammertoes. I usually tape my toe if concerned but no need in the Rebel.
@@grantmckay7014 thanks!
Update; these fit me really well though I prefer the Adidas Boston 12 for the far more effective energy return. Though these are probably more comfortable in the upper and way lighter
Saucony Triumph 21?
For me, this shoe, hands down
Vs the speed please
Could you run a marathon in these (not race just run?)
For sure
A marathon is a race, not a distance.
Compare this trainer to the ASICS tri noosa 15
we live in a world where 3 cm is a low stack. the insanity.
the heel looks better on this than the elite v4 , heels were destroyed in them.
Boaty mcboat shoe. Looks massive compared to older version. Seems its losing the rebel dna personally.
Can we stop playing around and get a review for the Endorphin pro 4's?
This is what you call sprinkles with a little bit of ice cream on top. mixing very little peba just to put peba in their marketing.
When it come 2 pakistan
In near future shoes with 40mm stack will be considered minimalist...not good for long distances
Ver 3 was so unstable
Seems Ok for me. The stack height is pretty low.
I get what u saying. The FC foam is squishy like that.
You mention the v4 is just "a little bit" wider in the toe, but the pics show quite A LOT of puckering. WAY more than I'd feel comfortable running in. Just look at the Right foot. @4:41 There's a good cm of folded material in the forefoot! I've got a "Nike foot" so looks like I'll pass on the new v4. The v3 fit me just fine, but durability of the v3 was terrible.
I Hated the hoka
Again that phatom fit... :/ Will break after a few kms..