British guitarist analyses The Beatles Southern rivals, The Dave Clark 5!
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- Tonight I'm taking a look at The Dave Clark Five, almost live in 1965! I didn't mention, Dave and Mike wrote this song! :)
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What really made the DC5 stand out was their lead singer Mike Smith. Truly one of the greatest singers in rock history.
i don't think they would have been successful without mike ,he made them sound good ,maybe dave would have been successful as a business man though
Totally agree ! Plus the saxophone addition added to their great sound !
I don't think that the lead singer of the DC 5 was any better than any of the other groups that came out of the UK. We had the bee gees over in Australia. That was better because they wrote there own music. And there was also the easybeats in Australia who wrote there own music .. and had Stevie wright was there lead singer.
@@OldiesMomma Yes, no better than Stevie Winwood, Johnny Kidd, Steve Marriot, Paul Jones, Carl Wayne, and many others.
IMO one of the most underrated singers in rock.
Mike Smith never got the plaudits he should have. Great singer, keyboardist, and songwriter. The Smith & D'Abo album is brilliant MOR.
Saw the DC5 twice - at Univ of New Mexico Johnson Gym and Albuquerque Tingley Colosseum in the early 60s. The band played through a solid Vox lineup AC30 Mike Vox Continental / AC30 Lenny Gibson semi-hollow body / AC30 Denny sax / Vox bass amp (not sure which) Rick Jazz Bass / Dave played Rogers drums. They sang through their own PA system with Shure SM57s, I believe. They rocked. Thanks so much Fil for this historic video and your great commentary. Did I mention the screaming?.....lucky I had front-row seats.
They had so many hits and were trying to compete for recognition against the Beatles and The Rolling Stones. So sad with Mike Smith dying a couple weeks before getting inducted into the R&R Hall
I am sure getting inducted was the least of his worries if he was dying
@@errorsofmodernism9715
I bet he is really mad about that.
Kumbaya kumbaya I’m sure anyone receiving any honour, be it music or sports, would love to be alive to receive it, with their family to see, and share it with, rather than posthumously
Kumbaya kumbaya Mike Smith had contracted pneumonia due to his quadriplegic, injury. It was not expected, just as the horrific injury sustained while climbing his high gate, when he was locked out. He was a high energy, highly talented with great voice; world wide-loved, man.
Even paralyzed, he would have been Humble, and appreciative, with time spent together with the surviving band members at the Rock Hall of fame. Ignoramus, and being Cynical , was not part of his constitution,
james c Yea, I was a teenager then so I lived it. There were several such as The Searchers, Gary Lewis & the playboys, Chad & Jeremy, Jerry & the Pacemakers, the Monkees and others were all very popular but a notch below.
Another of my favorite groups that do not get the attention they deserve now. Mike Smith one of the best rock vocalists of the era and sadly very unheralded. Great analysis and commentary. Thanks for the spotlight on them Fil.
Do you know that Dave Clark never wrote one song, he had his name put on the records as the writer. One song he stole was “Because” a love song by Ron Ryan for his Wife, Ron also wrote other hits for the DC5 but Clark got all the money. Also a drummer called Bobby Graham played on all the records.
I thought Dave Clark cowrote "Can't You See That's She's Mine" with Mike Smith.
@@jeanettesmith765 No. He had everyone in the band sign a contract and he took 50% credit on the songs they wrote, which is fair enough but he flat out stole some of his biggest hits, said he wrote them and gave Ron Ryan no credit, or royalties.
dave never sang either but he made it look like he was singing
Dave Clark couldn't drum his way out of a paper bag.
Sorry, I stole that cliché from a newspaper comment on Van der Graaf Generator's Guy Evans, who in reality could have drummed his way out of Alcatraz whereas Clark would have had problems even with a wet paper bag.
If the other four had decided to take a more artistic route, they could have been interesting. But it was just a tad too early to make a living out of prog.
That is 100% not true . You get the biggest Pinocchio Award of all time !
Dave Clark was a businessman, not a drummer.... Please release the Ready Steady Go videos Dave !
Bobby Graham was the drummer on the records. Great player!!
@@alfsmith4936I actually got basted in the comments for pointing this out🥴
@@kahnlives If you really want to wind DC5 fans up when they choose to deny facts, mention Ron Ryan's name. 😉
@@alfsmith4936 Trust me I’ve been down this particular road before. In fact when this video was originally released. I stated some facts and I do mean facts, and then ( BOOM!) everyone came at me with knives out, Yikes.😬
@@alfsmith4936Bobby was the greatest British session drummer.
You just analyzed my favorite band of all time and did a great job. I saw them in concert once and then again at Dave's house in London in 1968.They will always hold a special place in my heart.
Fab video, man. Huge Dave Clark fan and it’s great to hear all that info!! Well researched, indeed....🎸
Yo @Butch Hartman what are you doin here?
Fairly decent analysis of the great DC5, just wish he could have picked a different video to analyze, not this one. Great 60s band, genius management and vocals, DC was ahead of his time.
My family lived in the UK during 1962 to 1964 and after the Beatles, The Rolling Stones and the Shadows the Dave Clark Five was in either 4th or 5th place perhaps with Gerry and the Pacemakers being also super talented. But we were way more excited by the Dave Clark 5 then.
Yes, strangely they were not as popular in the UK as they were in the U.S.. One funny fact is that after they stopped having hits in the U.S. they started have hits in the UK like Everybody Knows (the Reed/Mason song), The Red Balloon and Everybody Get Together.
I absolutely love DC5 especially songs like "" Because" Your turn to cry" which sounds like Because" part 2 same riffs and keys" also Come home"" and so many others like "" hurting inside"" forever and a day"
Read Graham Nash (hollies)bio and he said he didn't like Dave Clark as a person and Mike smith was the main man in the band for him .
Yes that is correct , Mike, he was the voice and power behind the DC5 , Dave was just a bad greedy business man
Graham knows!
Only guy with any talent.
Just so you know, Dave Clark didn't play drums on any of their songs until 1967, when they were past their prime. All the drumming was done by session musician Bobby Graham, a fact that Clark still denies. He also never wrote a word or note of music in his life; he made the other members ( who were on salary) share songwriting credit with him and he took 75% of the royalties. On songs like Because and Any Way You Want It, which just have Clark's name on them, those songs were written by a gentleman named Ron Ryan. Clark had nothing to do with them. Also, there are absolutely NO real live performances of the DC5 available anywhere. Every video you see of them is them playing to a backing track with no sound, with amazing singer Mike Smith's vocals live. They're the only band on the Ed Sullivan Show who never played live.
I'm a Drummer and I can tell you that Dave Clark played on all their songs . No 2 Drummers have the same style . Any Drummer will tell you the same thing . This conspiracy theory sounds good in our world of daily negative press , but it is Fake News .
They are playing live here with no backing track . Watch the video . They are live songs if you know where to look .
My favorite band I was 13 when this came out and loved it. Still have piles of their music on my playlists. D. C. 5 forever.
Besides this song, I remember "Because" and "Bits And Pieces" the most. When this song came out it also challenged the Beatles on the jukebox in my highschool cafeteria. I don't remember if this song was banned, or if it was just the fact that the vice-principal came down and yelled at everybody. It was being played over and over, and every time it got to the "and I'm feelin' " part, the whole cafeteria would go "bang bang" with their fists on the tables to go along with the drums and guitar, driving the teachers crazy.
Oi Got a loicense for this recanting of your high school years?
Great story R. Gray -- what wonderful memories!😊🎶
R.Gray 😂Must have been great to be in your lunchroom!.. Actually Lenny is singing live vocals here, also.
Ha, we did that in my HS classrooms also, teachers did not appreciate it..
Great story thanks
ahhh crazy how many people forget about The Mike Smith 5 ,,,, crazy great band and Mike never gets credit as one of the best vocalists in rock and roll , Dave was a smart businessman but he really shafted those poor guys
@Anne6621 Yep !
Yeah, the Dave Clark Five were big but they're almost completely forgotten. Great analysis.
@james c Sad.
Sy Goldman Only because Dave held on to the copyrights for all their songs. He held out too long, waiting for more money, until everyone moved on and they were forgotten.
Dave might have been a good business man (he didn't allow himself to get screwed with bad contracts), but a musical genius he was not. Too bad Mike Smith didn't get hooked up with a more talented band leader. He had so much more potential than he ever realized.
Slash G&R true, so true.
Not forgotten by all.
I was 10 when the British Invasion started. I loved all of these groups. I was beginning my love relationship with rock and roll. Another favorite group: Herman’s Hermits who highlighted their very British accents instead of burying them under an American sound. Of course the Beatles led the pack. What a great, innovative time for music!!
Always great to hear your point of view!! Thanks
Dave Clark was a smart cookie, he basically owned that band and just paid the other musicians a weekly wage to work for him, in many ways not dissimilar to the pre-war band leaders and how they operated...
Fil, nobody in entertainment and in their right mind would say no to Ed Sullivan. You would never get invited back. The Ed Sullivan Show was on for 23 years. It was America's showcase for entertainers. Gathering around your TV sets on Sunday to watch Ed was a cultural event. It was truly MUST SEE TV.
Amazingly for most of it run, the show was shown in black and white and it was not until 1965 it switched to color, many years after NBC had gone all color to sell RCA color TVs. In fact, CBS wanted nothing to do with the RCA compatible color process until 1954, as it had its own that it never developed nationally and also RCA owned NBC was its main rival.
Ed's show still holds the record for a variety show being on the air. Ed would come out every Sunday night from 8-9 p.m.and welcome his audience to the "Shew". Yes that was how he pronounced show.
Ed could make you or break you. Young comedians and bands would literally fight to get a spot on his show. He was on on Sunday nights on the number one network CBS, the so-called Tiffany network.
He had absolutely no talent other than his ability to write. He was awkward with odd mannerism when on camera, but he was the ideal straight man for a up and coming comedian as long as they did not cross THE LINE.
Ed loved when they would parody him on his "shew". His critics said he resembled a cigar store Indian more than a real person. Comedian Alan King once said of Ed, "He does absolutely nothing but he does it better than anyone else."
He was a star-maker and he made many of them. Ed had an uncanny knack of booking acts there were about to become the next big thing such as the Beatles, the Rolling Stones and the Jackson 5. Ed saw no color. He would book black acts as well as whites giving people like Bo Diddley, Jackie Wilson or the Supremes widespread exposure.
He had lots of courage too as he would stare down advertisers who objected to his giving an venue to people like Nate King Cole or Bojangles Robinson or kissing singer Pearl Bailey.
He would put country music entertainers on his show, paving the way for shows like Hee Haw, the Johnny Cash show and the Glenn Campbell show.
But he would punish you if you popped off and insulted him and he would hold a forever grudge against the offending person and make that person pay. You just did not walk away from him and go on with your career if you did that sort of thing. He got into a fight with Buddy Holly and ended cutting most of the songs Buddy was to sing that evening and he deliberately refused to pronounce Holly's name correctly.
It is hard, I think, for people to imagine what times where like back then when there were only three major TV mostly national networks and a dying fourth Dupont and the influence shows like the Ed Sullivan Show, I Love Lucy and a few others had over the American people.
could you elaborate?
@@jyesucevitz 😆😆😆😆🤣
There is a very interesting book that has been written about the Dave Clark Five that has not been published yet, not by me, but by someone who knows more about the Band than anyone outside the Band. I am the 'Ghost writer' for the DC5, I got to know Dave Clark because my brother Mick was the guitarist in the Band before 'Len'. I wrote some of their early songs like 'Mulberry bush' that got them their first appearance on British TV, and 'That's what I said' (both these songs are on youtube). Then Mike wrote 'Glad all over' (on his own although it has Dave Clark as Co-writer). I also wrote 'Bit's and pieces', 'Because', 'Anyway you want it', 'Thinking of you baby', and album tracks and B sides, such as 'Can I trust you', All of the time' and a few more including 'Sometimes' that was recorded by the actor Oliver Reed, it's on youtube. The members of the Band were under contract to Dave who was the Bands manager as well, they got paid a weekly wage by Dave no matter how many TV show, tours, and one night stands they did. There were three writers in the Band, Mike, Len', and Den', it was also written in their contract that any song they wrote had to have Dave Clark as 'Co Writer' so that he could claim 50% of the songs royalties.
Ron, it would be interesting to hear your opinion relating to each members ability and the reasons they did not expand from the more simplistic music to something deeper like other bands of their time.
@@texasstadium Well this is just my opinion, but as a Band leader myself who had his first Band in 1957, and dissbanded my last Band in 2014 I think I know a good musician when I hear one. Mike, Len', and Den where all very good players, Dave was an OK average drmmer, and Rick was learning bass 'on the job' (he used to be the Band rhythm guitarist). You must remember that Rick, Mike, Len, and Den' were all under contract to Dave Clark, and although the Band made £millions they were on a weekly wage, so when Dave broke the Band up they all had families to support, so the took steady day jobs to put food on the table and pay bills, while Dave was a multi millioniar. By this time I think they had had enough of playing in Bands, so although they might have played in some semi-professional Bands they stayed away from the 'big time', just my opinion.
@@ronvonryan Thank you for your respected opinion. I might also say that the songs you wrote would also be recognizble as something nicer, smoother and more professional. As a musically oriented family, we always wondered 'which of the five wrote that song'. Now I know. Thank you again.
@@texasstadium Many thanks, by the way I have an album out of some of my newer songs by a Yorkshire Band called Hootenanny, there's even me singing on a couple of tracks LOL. If you type in on youtube 'Hootenanny, the thought of never seeing you again, you can hear one of the tracks, if you do please let me know what you think. the album is on Amazon as is my book 'Crash, Bang, Wallop, my life in music, Ron Ryan, which I understand is selling quite well.
@@ronvonryan Thanks! Heading there right now.
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When I was 14 in 1964, in eighth grade, the girls loved the Beatles, with their Louise Brooks pageboy haircuts and their falsetto oo-oo. But the boys liked The Dave Clark 5 with their more guttural sound, more masculine driving sax and drums.
David Nowicki..So True! 😎👍🏻
I loved the Dave Clark 5 more than the Beatles back then. Guess I am more boyish!!
@@bluewaters3100 Mike Smith trumped Paul Mcartney
The Dave Clark 5 song "Because" is still one of the best songs of this or any era.
@@jennifursun3303 Exactly right. Dave took credit for everything but, as far as writing was concerned, did nothing. Because was written by Ron Ryan, who also wrote or co-wrote, the majority of the early DC5 hits. Ron still has yet to see a penny of royalties from Clark.
@@jennifursun3303 I'll have to ask him. He and I speak on occasion. I did manage to get the truth mentioned on a radio show at least once. It's not likely to change history but it's a small victory.
@@oldermusiclover I'd be happy to, Ginny. You might guess I don't use my real name here, either. My parents stuck to seriously common names. I speak to him on Facebook, as well. He's even a member of a 60's music voting group I run, though I've not seen him in a while.
@@oldermusiclover Kicked him off? I'll try him. Maybe even his website.
@@oldermusiclover Ron is still a member of my music voting group on Facebook and his account is still active. He's been very quiet for a few months, but still around. He's been pretty quiet lately in a DC5 group where we first met, too, so maybe he's scaled back on his online time. I do hope he's alright.
yeahh that was a false start alright ! Always been curious about the 6 string Bass they used.
I think it was a Burns 6 string bass
I still have several DC5 45s and remember how big they were. As usual, i had no idea about Dave Clark's involvement on the business end plus all the technical stage errors. Great job Fil. Peace all
Mike Smith was a powerhouse of a singer. Great vocalist, Dave was an extraordinary businessman and was ruthless with record companies. He had to be back then as there was so many ripping bands off. He was only an adequate drummer and it was Bobby Graham who played on records. Ron Ryan wrote most of the songs who never saw any royalties. What Dave did to the band wasn't nice and more or less employed them, paying them a wage instead of splitting money between 5 of them.
Ron told me that he did get some of the money but not nearly as much as he had coming.
Ok why did these gentlemen singers/ musicians agreed to dave clark's idea of employing them?
@@normatible9795 Because they were friends and didn't think about professional musicians. +
@Norma Tible As bjbell52 has said. They were friends from youth, and the wage they had was alot more than working 5 day weeks etc. Dave forbid them from performing DC5 songs in their solo career's, he also owns the rights for Ready Steady Go TV shows that are crying out to be seen again! The music industry at the time was ruthless, so Dave sought other ways to get the upper hand, He was and still is greedy. He took sole charge of all finances, record contracts, loyalties etc and paid the band percentages.
@@LordFlashheart.11 From what I've read, Dave paid the band a salary.
I was 12 in 1964 and my older sister was 14. I remember buying her one of their albums for either a birthday present or Christmas present and I remember her playing it in her bedroom on her little hi-fi record player. I always liked their music. Oh...I'm here in the U.S. Another Home Run, Fil, I learn so much when you tell us the history...!!
Funny how much enjoyment you could get out of a little self contained little record player back in the day. Put on a stack of 45's and you were all set.
Me too!
@@MaxStax1 And little did we know just how good those early bands sounded until stereo came out..!!
marbleman52 , me, too... I want to like them after I hear Fil, but I know my taste in music.
Dave clark was at Freddie Mercurys side as he died. ? Funny boy
Yes, they performed 18 times on Ed's show, but I believe six of those were repeats. They usually performed two or three songs. They were both the opening and closing act on most of the shows they appeared on.
They were actually really good - you would not know from this performance.
Very underated band. Love them!
Man, Fil is absolutely on a roll lately with his analyses. Really good stuff here.
I remember my older brother listening to Dave Clark Five Catch Us If You Can on the car AM radio. Great sound from this quintet.
Neal Schier Fil is an excellent analyst. I really appreciate what he has to say.
Yes, don't forget that all this music was released mostly for AM and stereo was not mastered for any of the Beatles early records ar the Dave Clark Five.
@@jameskoralewski296 Excellent point. Do you know if all the sound was picked up on the tapes and it is just a matter of modern technology extracting it or is a good portion of what was being laid down in the studio lost for good?
@@jameskoralewski296 Clark did release two albums of their hits in true stereo. One was a double album release around 1970. It had their self penned hits and album songs in true stereo. The other was released in England, but I don't remember its name.
Because sounds so much better in stereo.
@@patriciasnyder6915 Patricia, the thing that amazes me is that Fil was not alive when these guys were playing and yet has such an appreciation of them.
Dave Clark always reminds me of Gary Walker. Wonder if it’s the fact that neither could play the drums??
Excellent analysis as always. Fil is the best music encyclopedia ever!
No amps and no cables to be seen. That should tell you something. Nonetheless, for a period of time in the mid-60's, the DC5 was my easily my favorite English band. Simple, foot tapping tunes and a first rate lead singer coupled with their being cool, charismatic, charming guys.
They have cables.
When the DC5 first appeared on Ed Sullivan they were scheduled for one tune. Ed heard them rehearsing and told them they were to do two numbers on the show. After the 2nd number Ed told the audience they'd be back for a third number! Then Ed told the audience the DC5 would be back the next week. They told him that they had shows all week. Ed told them they would buy out the shows for the next week as long as the DC5 got back by Sunday. What should we do during the week? Where do you want to go? Barbados. So they got a free trip to Barbados.
I've heard Ed Sullivan loved them because if he wanted to book the band, he only had to contact Dave Clark, rather than going through record companies/managers and waiting for a response.
For all his song theft, which I have no respect for, he's a bloody clever business man, who saw how the industry robbed people and decided he could do that himself. The people who did get their 50%, did better than if they hadn't had their songs recorded..
@@alfsmith4936 True, that's why Elvis lost all his great writers during the movie mush years. 50% of a hit is much more than 100% of a flop. Dave was the DC5's manager. They did not have anybody else. He was on top of things instead of getting high or chasing chicks (not that he wanted to).
@@harvey1954 Yep, though a lot of Elvis's early songs were covers of popular 'black' songs, which he gave credit too, the film songs were what they were..
I think in the late 1960s, Elvis stopped giving an f about that, started recording the songs he liked listening too and Jerry Reed got the best deal out of Tom Parker, purely because his songs didn't sound right without him playing on them and Elvis liked them personally.
Because was reiterated in the late 70's Great love song via Lionel Ritchy and the commodores "Three times Lady"
The teenage audiences back then did not scrutinize things like lip-synch as much as they do now. Getting on Ed Sullivan and those sort of TV shows was such a big deal the artists were validated on appearance alone. Thanks for another great analysis.
muchotone LIP SYNCING NEVER BOTHERED ME. JUST SEEING THEM WAS AWESOME 😍😍😍WE HEARD THEIR RECORDINGS ALREADY
Everybody was screaming, anyway...We’ll, most of the girls were.
@james c Sad. Such a great band.
@james c It was some sort of accident. Maybe a car crash. All I recall is that ended his drum playing career.
Barbara Downie you never heard them...period! Session musicians recorded this music, the band just add voices and over dubs. As fake as the Monkeys or Backstreet Boys maybe a little worse.🤢🤢🤮🤮
The Dave Clark Five were great. Thanks for highlighting them.
Why has Dave Clark gone to such great lengths to remove the live audio from all their stage performances and replace it with their studio recordings? If they were really competent musicians why did we never get a concert album or an '80s reunion tour? The Beatles and The Stones played live every time on Ed Sullivan, and sounded magnificent doing it. There's also the issue of Dave Clark stealing the songwriting credits on some of their biggest hits from his former friend Ron Ryan. It's a shame Mike Smith's incredible voice was virtually unheard in the '70s and '80s. He deserved much better than being under the thumb of Dave Clark.
I wonder why as well🤔🤔🤔let’s ask bjbell52 he seems to have all the answers to this mystery 🤭
I've always found it curious that there is no live material. Also, the members had very little money yet DC refused to let the material be re-released. Further, he would not allow the DC5 association to be used in promoting any of the members individually. I would like to know the real story. And, why didn't anyone join the HOF jam?
There are (or were) a few bootleg audio tracks here on YT. The sound quality is not that great, but you can hear them actually play and sing.
@@michaelnyny I’ve only heard one that was clearly live. The quality was poor but they were competent. It is a curious situation any way you look at it.
With less channels on television back in the 60s,who's going to miss the Ed Sullivan show?This show helped a lot of rock bands.
I almost forgot to mention the Beatles had all the merchandising such as the metal school lunchboxes, Beatles wigs, plastic guitars, dolls, hobby kits, Dell comic book, cards so you had no money to buy DC5 records. I don't think DC5 sold any merchandise for their fans.
I was never keen on the Beatles, but loved the Dave Clark Five.
I was (still am) a total Beatles fan, they're head & shoulders above everyone else to this day. The dave Clark 5 was a good band but for me it was song by song just their hits, never bought an album.
Glad all over, Bits and Pieces had great drive and energy, If I were still playing out it would be fun to do a cover of either or both just to toss in a new/old song. Just like we'd do the Kinks You really
Got Me pre Van Halen.
I worked w/Smiths late (only son)..James ...he told me the group made an agreement when the band started out that if it wasn't fun anymore they would quit..even at the top of their game...James said his dad went back to school for engineering...anyway ..Mike son was the nicest kid you could ever find especially coming from a rock stars background....such a tragedy for both of them..he also told w/upbeat attitude "at least we got to travel around the world"
Thanks for this video. I appreciate seeing your videos and love the smiles as you watch history and talent. As a kid in this period my big sister was among one of those screaming girls. We would all wait for the Ed Sullivan show. It was such a wonderful time. I actually wanted to have my name changed to John..lol The Britts had no clue what awaited them here in the states. lol My sister saw the Beatles live in 65. At 1st it was the Beatles...PERIOD! Then right behind and at time along them it was DC5, Gerry the Pacemakers and even the Searchers and Herman's Hermits that had the English Mersey Beat. The Stones and the Animals had a different sound & look. One of the biggest reason the Beatles were always ahead beside the fact of Lennon and McCartney, Harrison & Ringo who is one of the most under rated drummers was they always evolved and 98% just followed in Music and fashion. You would see band doing what the Beatles had just done. We used to say as we stared our bands in no way can we be the Beatles but the Stones..Uh yea we can try to do that...lol DC5 was amazing and one of the only Britt bands to have a sax full time. I remember the movie Catch us if you can..If you can check it out..
I saw them live in Miami in 1965 the week that Over and Over was #1. They were just as great live as they were on record. Very few groups from those days were.
I LOVED Mike Smith and DC5, but I've looked everywhere for a single TRULY live performance, with no success. Not one genuinely live performance. Very sad.
This is probably as close as we'll get. Audio is paired with a separate video, but listen and you can tell the audio is live. Mike adds extra "whoas" and the chords he plays on the organ are way different than on original recording. Plus, there's the count in. th-cam.com/video/dGBGdwg2HSI/w-d-xo.html
I just found one. The recording is just more but you can tell it was live and they were certainly able to put it across live. As you can imagine, they put it across as close to the studio version as
possible. I’m sure Dave was not great with improvisation and I think the others might have been better but they were constrained.
To my co-viewers who sought examples of live: I thank you sincerely. The "Do You Love Me?" clip is powerful and, yes, they (esp. Mike and Dave) really do come across. Terrifi! Thank you very much.
As a newly turned teenager in 1964, I was all in with the British Invasion. DC5 had some classic, catchy songs and Denny Payton, my favorite, was probably the first sax player in a major rock band. Obviously this group did not measure up to the lasting brilliance and legacy of the Beatles and Stones, but for a time in the mid- 1960's they were magic. Great memories, Fil.
it's amusing, knowing what we know is about to unfold, to witness ed sullivan clearly peeved, confused or upset about something at the beginning of the clip and still introducing the band - it's as if he must have had a 'red flag' or 'millisecond warning' that something was technically wrong and so rather than talk for an extra minute about the band or upcoming shows or anything else, he went on with the crucial countdown of live commercial TV to a somewhat (then - in real time) major hiccup in his shows performance - i wonder how many heads were rolling on the floor after this broadcast - too bad - i'm sure it was a very important failure at the time - but it's fun to watch now LOL :) enjoy!
Withholding the catalog for 15 years was not only mean but, I suspect, a bad career move as well. An entire generation grew up not becoming acquainted with them, and therefore not really giving a @&^$ about them.
LeafInThestream....So True. I had a friend who finally got the Big release in '08 & made me a complete CD. Two actually. Loved it! Dave Clark starved us for year's! Not Cool.
Dave Clark was unofficially asked to do the Monkees TV show back then. He refused the offer, and a couple years ago said it was the worst decision he has made in his life. Yes the DC5 could of been the Monkees!!! Good video!
I heard Mike Smith say how poorly Dave Clark treated the other guys. Dave got mad that early on they were recording covers of other peoples songs and other bands (Tremelos for one) would hurry up and record the song before them and they couldn't get a hit. Mike said Dave told him to go home and write 3 songs over the weekend. He did and Dave put D Clark and M Smith on all the recordings even though he had no part in writing them so he profited as a songwriter as well. When they broke up Dave wouldn't let any of the guys get work playing their old songs. Also heard he just gave the guys a salary instead of them getting royalties or whatever they usually get paid. So they all had to go find regular jobs to pay the bills after the band quit. Fil might know more about that kind of thing. Mike was pretty much penniless when he died.
I really appreciate Fil doing a reaction of the DC5. They were my favorite band. I loved the Beatles ( I was 11 when they came to America). The disc jockey announced the Beatles were coming to my town, Cincinnat, OH in August and I begged and pleaded with my dad to get me and my brother tickets which he did. My dear old dad even bought the most expensive tickets at $5.50 because I was born severely nearsighted and he thought that would assure we got good, close seats. It did not! BTW The Righteous Bros performed first but there was so much noise you couldn't hear them. I read recently that they quit the tour because they felt they weren't being taken seriously with all the craziness of being with the Beatles in August 1964. Getting back to the DC5 about a month or so after I got my preordered tickets for the Beatles there was an announcement that the DC5 were coming to town in June. I couldn't convince my dad to get us tickets for that show too.😚 That broke my heart because the DC5 were so cute! LOL But about 3 months after that I was in love with the Rolling Stones. Talk about a music overload. You had to be a millionaire to be able to afford to buy all the records and see all the concerts back then. ☺
Facts are a little off there mate. Their first hit was 'Do You Love Me,' a cover, but Brian Poole had observed them recording it and rush released his own version with Brian Poole and The Tremeloes and beat them to the charts. Mike Smith lived in a nice house in Spain and with his band 'the Rock Engine' toured playing DC5 hits plus others.
@@davefowler8255 I heard Mike Smith say in an interview on TH-cam that he had to fight for years with Dave over the rights to use the (his music))music. It was years ago that I saw the video so I might not have every thing exactly right. I knew Mike had the nice house in Spain and locked himself out one night when his wife was in US visiting relatives. He tried to clinb over the fence but fell and broke his back or neck and was paralized. He had to pay for care all those years which ate up all his savings. Did you hear something other than
@@mzphillips53 Dave only prevented band members from using the DC5 name for their own projects. This makes perfect sense. How often in the past have you seen an oldies band try to tour yet have perhaps only one original member? I've seen it. BTW did you know that Mike Love owns the right to the Beach Boys name, not Brian Wilson. Yes, the Mike Smith accident happened that way. Though he did leave a modest estate, he certainly wasn't penniless as some have claimed, and did have income coming in. In hind sight, if he was in England, his medical expenses would have been covered by the British National Health.
It's amazing....you can hear they were a singing group....the harmony...is clear as a bell
I really liked the Dave Clark 5. But, this might be one of the worse performances by a super group.
I agree. I always like the DC5 but this was an embarrassment!
One of the greatest lead singers of all time
So true
I was lucky enough to see Mike twice when he toured the U.S. before his accident. He had a tragic ending to his life. First his son dies, then he had his accident. So sad.
@@bjbell52 Son died in a scuba diving accident.
Only Dave and Lenny alive2022
I saw them live in concert twice, they were great!
Spot on analysis.My favourite British group ever.I was there from their beginning to their end.So talented and largely forgotten, as history has inevitably rewritten itself to put lesser names bands above them in importance.The Stones or the Who never came close.
Thanks Fil, An under appreciated band with a great lead singer in Mike Smith, lead by a business genius in Dave Clark. From great rockers like "Anyway you want it"," Can't you see that she's mine", "Catch us if you can", to beautiful ballads "Everybody Knows","Because","Come Home", they had a great sound. A load of hits in a short time!
I always enjoyed DCF’s songs, but they must’ve had the worst recordings in history. Nearly all of their hit songs noticeably distorted whenever you tried to turn it up loud. It was very annoying.
The joke going around at the time is that they used a jack hammer in the studio to achieve this heavier sound, the session musicians that’s is, not these three cord hacks on stage pretending to play.
I enjoy several tracks from the “Dave Clark 5” and I do not doubt they were superb musicians. In this particular instance I cannot help but think the “record company vs. band” dynamic was in play (which you of course pointed out). I prefer their “rivals”, but nonetheless they were a worthy opponent! At the very least I give Dave high praise for being so forward thinking as to keep “creative rights” control over HIS work.
The digital age has complicated record sales immensely. While I thought Metallica was a joke when they were fighting Napster when it was actually going on, my thoughts have changed. It’s not about the money. It’s “I created this”. If you create a song or any piece of art it’s yours and no one else’s. The idea that a record company or even fan is entitled to the benefits of what YOU have created without you receiving the benefit is preposterous, regardless of what you have achieved either monetarily or fame wise. If I build an actual physical product you have to buy it. Why should music be any different? Just because it can’t be physically held doesn’t mean “blood, sweat, and tears” haven’t been put into it.
Also, I would like to recommend a band calling themselves “Heartless Bastards”. Even if they don’t make it onto the channel I think you’ll enjoy them. Don’t let the name fool ya, there’s a lot of “heart” in their songs.
Heartless Bastards were born in Cincinnati but relocated to Austin, TX where they are based to this day.....
I was 6, my older sister was President of the DC5 Texas fan club and I saw every appearance they made on Ed Sullivan because I idolized my sister 🤣🤣. I started playing drums at 8 because of Dave Clark and yes, I can play every song they ever recorded, my last name is Clark too. All these years later, still a huge fan, still playing drums.....great video and analysis, thanks for the memories ♥️
F IL CAN WE HAVE A DO-OVER? THIS VIDEO GIVES THE WRONG IMPRESSION OF THEM ☹☹☹☹☹☹☹☹☹☹☹☹☹☹☹☹☹ YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER HEARD THEIR MUSIC WILL HAVE THE WRONG IDEA OF THEM. THANK YOU F IL 💖
I'm GLAD I'm not that young!!
60s music is my FAVORITE, especially The British Invasion groups. I can't help but feel sorry for the young people of today who don't know about this HAPPY music!! 💃🕺💕💕🥰
I believe this guy's goal was to detract the DC5, as the five has dozen of great tv appearances that could be on this video. He never posted another presentation with failed playback.
I got a bunch of the DC5 on vinyl from my dad's collection. They rarely get the recognition they deserve these days. Good on you. 😀👍
I built up my DC5 collection pretty quick a few summers ago when I would go to the used dvd & music places.
@@beckster69 Cool. I once found a 45 box with around 50 45's for $5 at a thrift store. Good stuff too, some choice 45s Chuck Berry, Rolling Stones, Devo, War, Adam Ant, the Byrd's, etc....
I still have an Australian Rock Legends LP if the DC5 that I was given nearly 40 yrs ago (still have it it's in very good cond)
I don’t remember that hiccup back then or maybe I didn’t catch it, I liked them back then and still do
I would venture to guess that in 64 the live TV performances were few and far between. I don't remember expecting anything different.
They did Glad All Over on an earlier ES show too.
Love these analyses, so informative. Fill really seems to enjoy himself which makes it more watchable. Thanks!!!
Very good.. Hard to keep up with writing skills of Lennon McCartney
Here I am into the future of 2021. I’ve been a fan of these guys since the 60s. In fact I had a DC5 album before I had a Beatles album. Thanks for the information. I really enjoy your programs.
Love their music...great choice Fil. Bruce Springsteen was a huge fan too and thought that Dave Smith had the best rock and roll voive ever.
I know I’m old but I remember watching this on the Ed Sullivan show and Dave Clark to say the least is the worst drummer ever
Unbelievably interesting, Thank you.
I think they always had fun while preforming. Nice sound. I watch this when is was on way back then.
Judging from the screams from the girls in the audience they were glad all over to see DC5 even if they weren't live..they were my second band, after the Beatles, that I had a crush on..I was 12😏great anaylis ❤
nanette bryant I loved them also. Clean cut, and some unique music. Only Dave and Lenny remain. 😢. Absolutely horrible, what happened to Mike. Denny young also, to cancer. Rick, and Denny, Mike: Thank You, for happy music! Thank You Fil, on this analysis. This group was, loved.
Memories if those times seem so magical. I was ten. The other bands I was nuts about were the Beach Boys and the Kinks.
One of the things I find interesting about the early and mid 60's bands is that there really wasn't a differentiation between pop and rock. So the Beatles, Dave Clark 5, Herman's Hermits, Animals, etc. were basically considered the same genre. That perspective changed late 60's and into the 70's when music had a harder and more meaningful edge. Looking back now, these bands seem to be at different levels but they were all peers at that time. Thanks for another great analysis!
And in 1963-64, the Rolling Stones were a blues/r&b band, doing about 50% covers and 50% originals. At the time, Mick Jagger said, "I hope they don't think we're a rock 'n' roll group."
This was a great song and I thank you for all of the information about Dave Clark Five. Top analysis!
The great thing about discovering you recently is still wartching older videos with great enjoyment.
Love your historical music knowledge. For the first time it struck me all those teenagers, etc. singing into hair brushes were doing same thing as show. As a singer myself I bet they all had a good time mocking themselves in private lip singing. Dave was ahead of his time!!!
The First Concert / Show I ever saw. I got to see THe Dave Clark 5 when My Brothers date could'nt go, and I got her ticket! Ringo on Ed and Seeing the DC5 put the icing on the cake....it was the drums for me, been playing ever since!
I remember that the DC5 were second in popularity in the US only to The Beatles, for quite a while. The Rolling Stones were not considered that big a deal at first, and I don't recall them being considered to be HUGE until "Satisfaction," in 1965.
Also, I saw Mike Smith play live with his Rock Engine Band at a local club on Long Island, NY, in 2003, I think. It was his first time playing here in about 30 years, and the show, was incredible. I stopped at the venue that afternoon to buy my ticket, and fortunately for me, Mike and the band were getting ready to do a soundcheck. When I recognized him, I exclaimed "Mike?!?!? Where you been???" He seemed amused by my fanboy gushing, but it was really a big deal to meet him. He was very friendly, and I was so happy that he seemed about to cash in on his fame, but sadly, that wasn't meant to be.
Poor Mike Smith. He looks dejected, but then recovers. The Dave Clark Five played live many, many times in England before they came to America & they toured here in this Country & played many concerts. Dave Clark was a genius & Mike Smith had one of the greatest rock tenor voices I ever heard.
Little known fact.....session drummer Bobbie Graham played drums on all of the big hits while Dave produced.
In truth, Dave Clark wrote none of the DC5's hits. He ruled the group with an iron fist and insisted that his name be on all writing credits. The band members were paid only a weekly stipend while Clark raked in the rest for himself. The other members were unaware of what Clark was getting until far too late. Most of the early DC5 hits were written or co-written by a man named Ron Ryan, including the group's masterpiece, Because. I can get you in touch with Ron Ryan, if you wish.
There are two reasons why the band isn't playing live in this clip. One is that no one played live on US TV shows at this time, much for the reasons you go into about production and labels, not to mention the label wanted the best possible representation of their product aired and couldn't trust the bands to always put on a studio quality performance. The second reason is that Clark didn't actually play on most of the DC5's tracks. He would only learn the parts from what the studio drummers would lay down. Usually, that was the great Bobby Graham, who had instructions to keep the drumming as simple as possible.
Fab Gear ...THANK YOU!!... I pointed this fact out a few weeks back, let’s just say some were not amused. Clark was everything you said and more, in fact he was everything but a real drummer. To be honest I was kinda shocked that Fil chose to feature them considering the amazing musicians he showcases, real musicians by the way!
@@gamers7800 Some people just want to know about the music. That works for them. It's not their thing to be concerned about what happens behind the scenes. As for showcasing bands and musicians, I think the DC5, whatever was happening in the real world, still produced music that deserves to be remembered. Mike Smith was an amazing keyboard player but his voice was one of the greatest of the decade. He could sing any style and sing it well and with power and dynamics. The same with Denis Payton on sax. An underrated player. As for Clark, he could play, but he was far from one of the best. I think the only thing that really made the DC5 as good as they were was the songs from their early years and from Mike Smith's incredible talent. Clark's talent was as promoter more than musician and he eventually did that in later years.
Fab, nice summary...thanks!
@@jcheck6 Thanks, jcheck6. I love writing but it helps to have a subject that inspires.
"No one played live on US TV shows at this time", you said. Are you kidding? The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and others played live on The Ed Sullivan show.
Frankie Valli of the Four Seasons said the Ed Sullivan show and other shows of the day often had the bands pre-record a new musical backing track to which they would later sing live during the actual broadcast. In that way the music would sound live and different from the recorded version and would create the appearance of a full live performance. It was a simple solution to the problem of presenting live rock bands on a fast-paced television show with little transition time between acts. It was not without its hiccups, as this performance clearly demonstrates.
Full of such great info on the band. Loved this one! Dave later developed a maybe surprising but genuine friendship with Freddy Mercury.
I saw the DC5 3 times in the San Francisco Bay Area during the sixties. I saw Mike Smith's band twice in 2004 and met him in Sacramento CA just days before his horrible accident at his home. I'm still a big fan the music never sounds old to me!!
I used to like them a lot. I remember the teen magazines were always comparing them to the Beatles.
I'm a bit too young to have seen 60's teen magazines. But I have a funny story about one from the 90's. On the way to NC, I was looking at my sister's mag. There was a small article and picture of a shirtless Danzig. That's not the funny part though it was the title, Sexy Satanic Rocker.
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Yep, all 4 feet of him. That is a funny story and of course I'm joking about his height. I do recall hearing Danzig was really short though.
@@mightylonesome9426 He is. I've seen him live. I will say though. Someone at the show was heckling his guitarist. Danzig drops everything. Put down your fucking guitars. Jumped offstage and got in the dude's face. He ended up leaving for the rest of the show. The heckler.
I saw the DC5 at the fairgrounds coliseum in Indianapolis in 1964 They were great and the audience was on fire, I was 13.
As usual another wonderful analysis, thank you
My sister and her friends thought Dave Clark was the business as he was so good looking. These fellows were huge in '64 and '65 and I recall them well. I think they lost competitive ground to The Beatles and the Stones as their music with a few exceptions didn't change with the times. Still, they were a very big part of the British invasion in the USA. I still listen to them today. By the way I really enjoy your videos, they are very well done and so interesting.
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Surprisingly enough Buddy Rich was a fan of Dave Clark. Simply because he recorded the drums so loud in the mix he was making drumming very popular. There's a video somewhere on TH-cam of the two of them together.
Really surprised you're taking this fake band seriously...they were a complete con, led by the great con man DC himself...the Monkees and the Bay City Rollers are miles better than the DC5...and more honest...I except Mike Smith from criticism, he was truly a terrific singer and should've been in a proper band....and they're the last band that should be inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame!
What about Paul Revere and the Raiders?
Yes, please! I love their music.
hell yeah
Especially their "live" performance for the Penguin's mayoral campaign in "Batman."
I have fond memories of when we sat down and watched Ed Sullivan with mom and dad on Sunday nights. It was unique in a way because my mom loved “British Invasion” music and so did all 5 of us kids. Even with the enormous generation gap that was so evident in the early and mid sixties we had rare common ground with our parents when it came to the music at that time. Great analysis by you as usual!
The other big giveaway is Dave Clark himself hitting the cymbals out of time with the tape. That's the first thing I look for in a TV performance. Not many drummers get that right.
I loved the Dave Clark 5!!!! But I was 10 in '64 and now Dave Clark looks so YOUNG! 🤣
Wow, I’m old; I remember watching this when I was 10.
Your lucky. I was sixteen !!
I was 6. Lol
Thanks for the great info about the shows back then. Being a young teenager back then I had no idea. I do remember watching so many British groups back then. As an 18 year old I fell in love with the Moody Blues and not the Beatles. I did like Dave Clark 5's songs. I totally get why they would risk Ed Sullivan as his exposure could do wonders for a band's record sales.
Great Job Fil! Love your channel. I just wish you had used their Royal Command Performance where they played "19 Days" live. It does the band much more justice as the instruments, amps, singers were properly miked. Their 2nd song there was a cover of Ray Charles "Georgia On My Mind". On that song they played live, albeit with a string section probably pre-recorded) but Mike proved his incomparable singing talent, this time in a somewhat "jazzy" setting. A rare gem, hardly viewed by his fans. Thanks again Fil! Love your knowledge, & passion.
Thanks! This was just the requested performance ☺
Dave Clark was not as smart as you indicate . During the years Without product on the market whole generations of people were born and became music fans without ever hearing the DC5 in any form with the exception of on the radio when a 60s 45rpm as a "Golden Oldie" played. There by losing out on untold sales , also he treated the band as mere hired employees and did not share
the fruits of success with them. In short not a nice person.
I lived in England from 1963 to 1966 as an Air Force brat. The Dave Clark 5 were the BOMB and got as much airtime as The Beatles on "Ready, Steady, Go", "Top of the Pops", "Thank Your Lucky Stars", Radio Caroline, Radio London etc etc. or very close to it. Having a drummer as the headliner of sorts was killer too back in the day. Their music always brings a smile to my face. "Bits and Pieces" is a floor stomping classic. Great analysis Fil !!
Great,Great Job on Dave Clark 5's history and his accomplishments,I love the 1960's groups,I think it was the best era of all time for music,with the song writing and harmony's,keep up the great work.