"Not being able to marry does not necessarily mean that they cannot have children." Since God calls it sin to bring a child into the world by an unmarried couple (of humans) then why would God permit dwellers of heaven to be "as the angels in heaven" to be able to have sexual intercourse while being unmarried (being as the angels)? Would not God then have provided all Christians in heaven to have no other choice but to commit adultery; thus, starting cycle of fallen mankind all over again? Also, if the fallen angels procreated with the daughters of men, where and why did they get their reproductive organs if God created them to not be married? and, If the fallen angels did have sex and impregnate the daughters of men which caused the pre-flood humans to corrupt themselves to the point that God had to destroy them all with a universal flood; and, since Satan and his cohorts' end goal is to destroy mankind who is made in the image of God, Why hasn't Satan and his cohorts continued to use this 'successful means' every couple of hundred years to corrupt again the children produced by them in the daughters of men; thereby, successfully attacking the heart of God? These are just some questions that, when answered with the whole counsel of God's word, proves that this "angels procreated with the daughters of men" idea is heresy. 2n1 Ministries
Not heresy at all. In fact, if you study what is written in the Bible, then the conclusion is simple. In the time of Noah, angels willingly left heaven, became human, had intercourse with human women, and were severely punished for their actions. Chained in darkness until the day of Judgment. One way to logically come to this is by looking at the animal sacrifices to God in the Old Testament and compare them to Christ's sacrifice. Then you have to look at what is written. Through salvation humans become equal to angels, sons of God. No human, surprisingly enough not even Jesus was born higher than angels, but lower than them. After Christ was glorified He became higher than them. And as I said, through salvation believers become equal to them. You also have to look at the original Hebrew, which supports that the sons of God in the Old Testament were not human. In the Old Testament, sons and daughters of man/men/mankind are NEVER referenced to Cainites or unbelievers. And godly men in the Old Testament are never called sons of God in the Old Testament. You also then have to look at this simple thing. Nephilim are unclean. No child born between a godly person and an ungodly person can produce a Nephilim/unclean child according to 1 Corinthians. You also have to study the basics of prophecy, and that too will show that the sons of God in the Old Testament were not human. There is so much support, a mountain of evidence to support that the sons of God in the Old Testament are not human. That is not heresy as it matches perfectly with Scripture. Whereas saying they were godly humans does not match up at all.
Sons of God was godly lineage from Seth whereas sons of men belonged to Cain's desendance When we read ,Word of God itshould algn with context of previous chapters
@@tonyf4991 through salvation believers become equal to angels? Would you mind citing a verse for that? I'm really trying to understand here, so would you please quote some Scripture with chapter and verse numbers to support your statements? Whatever the answer, I'm concerned with the truth because GOD is not a god of confusion, but He is the standard for goodness, truth and faithfulness.
@@YIO777 Luke 20:34-36 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Now let's look at them BEFORE Christ brought salvation to the world. Hebrews 2:7, 9 You have made him a little lower than the angels; You have crowned him with glory and honor, And set him over the works of Your hands. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone. And if you look in the Old Testament at the interaction between humans and angels and compare it to what Scripture says after Salvation came to the world, you see a huge difference. We were once lower than angels, even Christ who was both God and Man because he became human in order to bring salvation. And once it came, Believers, those who will have part of the resurrection, are now equal to angels.
@@tonyf4991 First, I commend you on your response time and thorough answer. Thanks. ee-sang'-el-los; from G2470 and G32; like an angel, i.e. angelic:-equal unto the angels. This seems to mean that in the aspect that is being highlighted, we are like the angels or equal in that we won't marry. Not that we are equal to angels generally.
A falling Angel! The fall meant they lost there place in the heavens so, they wern't Angel' s anymore. Period. God wanted mankind to have freewill. You have choices! No one tells you what to believe! This is your choice! Just saying.
There is no sin in heaven but once an angel commits sin he is cast out of heaven... so there is sin but the Angels for the most part don't commit to it for if the do they are banished from Heaven... damn angels have some crazy will power but even then some fall which not all angels are made the same ... even closer to god they are and still some fall .... sin is a very powerful thing even in heaven, even for the angels which are closer to god and still it gets them , so probably means angels are not prefect just have a very strong will to resist temptation... I wonder if angels are still cast out of heaven daily or when the war in haven past it strengthen their will not to commit it
No sinful angel has been cast out (banished) from heaven as of yet. Satan was in heaven to present himself before the Lord, and in 1 Kings, Satan is again in heaven and even working for God.
Thanks for the explanations! It is interesting in your quote from 2 Peter 2:4 that angels can sin; which is obvious bc there are fallen angels. Then again why is there sin in heaven?
They can sin but only spiritual sins like envy and pride the reason why they were cast out they can’t have sins of the flesh like lust because they don’t have flesh they are spiritual
There are three levels of understanding and teaching concerning scrolls and scripture in ancient time, as now. The masses are taught to take scripture literally. While the "Initiated" are taught the secret meanings. I believe the secret, hidden meaning of this story points to men, read humans, who were somehow dishonored, aka fallen from their fraternity BECAUSE they had sex, thereby rendering them as FALLEN. Keeping in mind the word angel simply means a human messenger, or human herald.
This is absurd. God created Adam and Eve and as part of the curse Eve’s pains during child bearing will be greatly increased. There is absolutely nothing in scripture that sex within marriage is sin. For this reason, a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife and they shall become one flesh. How else are people to be fruitful and multiply?!?
why can't we just believe what the Bible says, and take it as being true without trying to make it what we think it is saying???? The sons of GOD, came unto the daughters of men, and their were giants in those days... what's so hard to understand about that???
Jesus said spirits don’t have flesh and bone, which means they don’t have blood or DNA/Sperm. So how did angels/messengers manifest with flesh, blood, bones, sperm and DNA to be able to reproduce with a human woman? Literally makes no sense
One is stopping fallen angels from reproducing. The consequences. When a group of angels mated with human women, they were chained and put in a prison of darkness, unable to interact with heaven or earth again and they are confined there until the day of judgement when they will be cast into the lake of fire. See how that would stop Satan or any other fallen angel from trying to pull that sin? It is counterproductive. It would stop Satan and his angels in their tracks.
You know what strikes me as extremely odd…….. is the fact of angels even having the ability to reproduce with humans in the first place…🤨🤷🏻♂️ Even if it was the case that when God cast the fallen angels out of heaven down to earth he gave them physical bodies in the process, but, if an angels “natural” state of being is a spiritual existence then this at least suggest that angels don’t originally have the ability to reproduce biologically because there’s no biological body of they’re own to procreate with… Now, if I’m right about that part and angels don’t originally have the ability to procreate, then I’m only left with…. 🤷🏻♂️>why did God give the FALLEN ANGELS the ability to not only have sex but be equipped to have sex with humans and successfully impregnate……🤷🏻♂️WHAT. We can’t even breed species that aren’t in the same biological “family”, how did angels mate with us…🤷🏻♂️? …………………… As you can see this raises some alarming questions, it’s kind of racking my brain at the moment and thats why I kind of want someone else’s thoughts and opinions on this…….???? Please 😭😭😭help me!!
I've had the same questions. Plus, what about this: would GOD, Whom forms is in the womb, make the copulation between an angel and woman successful? He would know better, right? So then that would seem silly that He would have to cause the flood and save only a few. But, then there's Nephilim again after? If you do like you did and follow these theories about Nephilim to their logical conclusions they seem to make GOD out to be inept, incompetent, wreckless, and unwise. What about the animals being evil, like it says in Genesis before the flood, were they crossbred with angels, too? And then, after the flood, if there were still some angel DNA in Noah's sons, his son's wives or if Noah had more kids, or Noah's wife had more, we might still be contaminated today! Some more than others. People want to mythologize the Bible. They want to make congruent the ancient myths of Egyptian gods with animal heads, Greek gods/Roman gods, all the various ones from different cultures with the Bible. It's not necessary. The important thing is to be open to the truth only. Pray and ask for GOD's knowledge, understanding and wisdom if He wills it for you to know for sure. Work through it logically. When you go through Scripture, however often, maybe have a designated spot to jot down relevant verses and after you make it through the Bible 1 or more times, sifting for that and other things, then see what He has already said. I'd enjoy more thoughts from you as well
@@YIO777 You know I wonder some times that if every single mystery that is “dug up” in the Bible, that if it were to all be laid out and every question answered to the “T” ….would it even actually change anything for me in my life, drastically to the point where life is better or whatever 🤷🏻♂️ know what I mean? Like let’s say God revealed every secret to Revelations to me, mark of the best and everything, down to the “T” , every detail……….. would I then have a stronger faith…🤔🤷🏻♂️ would I all of a sudden stop sinning …? Would it actually give me usable insight? …….or do we just believe that to know these thing is an important endeavor…🤷🏻♂️ Either way I still feel compelled to want to know ….. I suppose I’m saying if the gospel is the most important knowledge for us to have and in it we have God then what IS knowing about the secrets to Revelations or Genesis or any of the others for that matter…..🤷🏻♂️ Maybe having these gigantic question marks towards God and his revelations is normal and suppose to be that way for ever and eternity 🤷🏻♂️ To press that further, if we did understand it all, isn’t that kind of like thinking we can fully understand God, to degree? (Maybe) 🤷🏻♂️ These things I enjoy trying to chase down but is theres a degree of acceptance to knowing I may never know any of the things that are a mystery to me about God and how much of a degree is that…? I would even add that to the existence in heaven, I don’t think wile being in heaven that we are going to all of a sudden be able to fully understand God, there will still be lots and lots of mystery, even in heaven with the knowledge that is assumed to be present there…🤷🏻♂️idk…….😊 Acceptance of ignorance does seem wise here sometimes, but I can’t say that that doesn’t bother me.
@@hanstwilight3218 Again, I feel much the same way at times. What would it change? The problem for me is that, so early on in the Bible, the whole story is different from then on if you believe the Nephilim thing one way or another. It's not a salvation issue, but the Gospel starts in Genesis 1:1. So, we must compare Scripture with Scripture. We must test. It is good to know these things to be prepared to give an answer to those who ask. This topic is of a huge fascination to people that are on the fence of the world and believing. So, I think it's very important. There are also a lot of new age people believing in aliens, gods and other things that try to distort our interpretation of Scripture by legitimizing The book of Enoch. Ultimately, GOD knows. If we need to know, when we seek Him and He will show us.
@@YIO777 I see what you mean, that’s a good point but I guess it makes me want to distill my point down further ….. what if God never gave us any of what we have now in the Old Testament and also Revelations, and all we had were the four gospels, and that was it……, I feel that that would still be sufficient, in other words God could still expect us to come to believe and trust in him with just and only his sacrifice and resurrection as the only things to “look at” or know about….. I mean, doesn’t that sound right anyways…???? Wouldn’t the gospel still stand on its own legs as to how important it is to us ( without prophecy and all the rest)🤷🏻♂️…. I think what I might be trying to say is all the stuff that leads up to Jesus’s first coming is more like a loving gift for us to make sense of it all instead of a necessary aspect that insures salvation…… if what Jesus did in the gospels alone is what defeats death and sin, then admittedly it becomes easy to say that the other things we find in the whole of scripture aren’t necessarily necessary for us to even know about in the first place, and having all that other stuff there starts to look like more of something he did out of love, God in a way doesn’t benefit from giving us all that we find leading up to the gospel, making some sense of it all. (I assume) Lol sry, just to be clear I’m not suggesting we do away with all the other stuff besides the gospels…😅 And thinking about your point about people on the fence, I totally get this point here as this is something iv battled with as well, but what I can’t say is even when I did figure out some of the mystery iv found in things like Genesis and the obvious places, that I wasn’t lost anymore…, to know those things were not what touched my heart or opened my eyes,… it was Christ alone and in my day today life that remains the truth …..HIM…… God alone….. and that’s it. ( I mean… right🤷🏻♂️)? What do you think????????? Am I missing something…
@@hanstwilight3218 It's thing to speculate on the possibilities within reality, but I don't know how fruitful it is to speculate on things that are what if's. I do agree with your last major point; it's all about Him. I've been reading The Bible in a chronological order put together by the people of and available on Blue Letter Bible. Not sure as to the accuracy, but it seems to work for the most part. It helps me see the journey GOD is taking humanity through in order to give no shadow of a doubt of exactly Who He is. He is. YHWH. He's perfect, good, all-powerful, all-knowing and -wise, He's perfectly loving, just, creative, etc. He's so beautiful and His glory is so great we can't even look at Him or we'd die. Like what?! His glory is described as incinerating things when He comes here. Not only should we respect, fear, revere, love and serve Him, but we get to have a personal relationship with Him despite our shortcomings so long as we repent and follow Him.
"Not being able to marry does not necessarily mean that they cannot have children."
Since God calls it sin to bring a child into the world by an unmarried couple (of humans) then why would God permit dwellers of heaven to be "as the angels in heaven" to be able to have sexual intercourse while being unmarried (being as the angels)? Would not God then have provided all Christians in heaven to have no other choice but to commit adultery; thus, starting cycle of fallen mankind all over again?
Also, if the fallen angels procreated with the daughters of men, where and why did they get their reproductive organs if God created them to not be married? and, If the fallen angels did have sex and impregnate the daughters of men which caused the pre-flood humans to corrupt themselves to the point that God had to destroy them all with a universal flood; and, since Satan and his
cohorts' end goal is to destroy mankind who is made in the image of God, Why hasn't Satan and his cohorts continued to use this 'successful means' every couple of hundred years to corrupt again the children produced by them in the daughters of men; thereby, successfully attacking the heart of God?
These are just some questions that, when answered with the whole counsel of God's word, proves that this "angels procreated with the daughters of men" idea is heresy.
2n1 Ministries
Not heresy at all. In fact, if you study what is written in the Bible, then the conclusion is simple.
In the time of Noah, angels willingly left heaven, became human, had intercourse with human women, and were severely punished for their actions. Chained in darkness until the day of Judgment.
One way to logically come to this is by looking at the animal sacrifices to God in the Old Testament and compare them to Christ's sacrifice.
Then you have to look at what is written. Through salvation humans become equal to angels, sons of God. No human, surprisingly enough not even Jesus was born higher than angels, but lower than them. After Christ was glorified He became higher than them. And as I said, through salvation believers become equal to them.
You also have to look at the original Hebrew, which supports that the sons of God in the Old Testament were not human.
In the Old Testament, sons and daughters of man/men/mankind are NEVER referenced to Cainites or unbelievers. And godly men in the Old Testament are never called sons of God in the Old Testament.
You also then have to look at this simple thing. Nephilim are unclean. No child born between a godly person and an ungodly person can produce a Nephilim/unclean child according to 1 Corinthians.
You also have to study the basics of prophecy, and that too will show that the sons of God in the Old Testament were not human.
There is so much support, a mountain of evidence to support that the sons of God in the Old Testament are not human. That is not heresy as it matches perfectly with Scripture. Whereas saying they were godly humans does not match up at all.
Sons of God was godly lineage from Seth whereas sons of men belonged to Cain's desendance
When we read ,Word of God itshould algn with context of previous chapters
@@tonyf4991 through salvation believers become equal to angels? Would you mind citing a verse for that?
I'm really trying to understand here, so would you please quote some Scripture with chapter and verse numbers to support your statements?
Whatever the answer, I'm concerned with the truth because GOD is not a god of confusion, but He is the standard for goodness, truth and faithfulness.
@@YIO777
Luke 20:34-36
Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Now let's look at them BEFORE Christ brought salvation to the world.
Hebrews 2:7, 9
You have made him a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
And set him over the works of Your hands.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
And if you look in the Old Testament at the interaction between humans and angels and compare it to what Scripture says after Salvation came to the world, you see a huge difference. We were once lower than angels, even Christ who was both God and Man because he became human in order to bring salvation. And once it came, Believers, those who will have part of the resurrection, are now equal to angels.
@@tonyf4991 First, I commend you on your response time and thorough answer. Thanks.
ee-sang'-el-los; from G2470 and G32; like an angel, i.e. angelic:-equal unto the angels.
This seems to mean that in the aspect that is being highlighted, we are like the angels or equal in that we won't marry. Not that we are equal to angels generally.
A falling Angel! The fall meant they lost there place in the heavens so, they wern't Angel' s anymore. Period. God wanted mankind to have freewill. You have choices! No one tells you what to believe! This is your choice! Just saying.
There is no sin in heaven but once an angel commits sin he is cast out of heaven... so there is sin but the Angels for the most part don't commit to it for if the do they are banished from Heaven... damn angels have some crazy will power but even then some fall which not all angels are made the same ... even closer to god they are and still some fall .... sin is a very powerful thing even in heaven, even for the angels which are closer to god and still it gets them , so probably means angels are not prefect just have a very strong will to resist temptation... I wonder if angels are still cast out of heaven daily or when the war in haven past it strengthen their will not to commit it
No sinful angel has been cast out (banished) from heaven as of yet. Satan was in heaven to present himself before the Lord, and in 1 Kings, Satan is again in heaven and even working for God.
Thanks for the explanations! It is interesting in your quote from 2 Peter 2:4 that angels can sin; which is obvious bc there are fallen angels. Then again why is there sin in heaven?
Because God creates beings with choices. So they can choose to serve Him or not.
They can sin but only spiritual sins like envy and pride the reason why they were cast out they can’t have sins of the flesh like lust because they don’t have flesh they are spiritual
It part of God's books they just left it out
There are three levels of understanding and teaching concerning scrolls and scripture in ancient time, as now. The masses are taught to take scripture literally. While the "Initiated" are taught the secret meanings. I believe the secret, hidden meaning of this story points to men, read humans, who were somehow dishonored, aka fallen from their fraternity BECAUSE they had sex, thereby rendering them as FALLEN. Keeping in mind the word angel simply means a human messenger, or human herald.
This is absurd. God created Adam and Eve and as part of the curse Eve’s pains during child bearing will be greatly increased. There is absolutely nothing in scripture that sex within marriage is sin. For this reason, a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife and they shall become one flesh. How else are people to be fruitful and multiply?!?
If God can Have a Baby with Mary, Then why can't the fallen do it??💯🙏🏽🕊❤️
Not being able to marry does not necessarily mean that they cannot have children.
why can't we just believe what the Bible says, and take it as being true without trying to make it what we think it is saying???? The sons of GOD, came unto the daughters of men, and their were giants in those days... what's so hard to understand about that???
Jesus said spirits don’t have flesh and bone, which means they don’t have blood or DNA/Sperm. So how did angels/messengers manifest with flesh, blood, bones, sperm and DNA to be able to reproduce with a human woman? Literally makes no sense
Yes they had, we called them nephilims or demons
My argument has always been the angels were not the fathers of children, why don’t they continue to be today what’s to stop satan from reproducing?
One is stopping fallen angels from reproducing. The consequences.
When a group of angels mated with human women, they were chained and put in a prison of darkness, unable to interact with heaven or earth again and they are confined there until the day of judgement when they will be cast into the lake of fire.
See how that would stop Satan or any other fallen angel from trying to pull that sin? It is counterproductive. It would stop Satan and his angels in their tracks.
because when they made the rebellion against the all father, he sent them to hell
You know what strikes me as extremely odd…….. is the fact of angels even having the ability to reproduce with humans in the first place…🤨🤷🏻♂️
Even if it was the case that when God cast the fallen angels out of heaven down to earth he gave them physical bodies in the process, but, if an angels “natural” state of being is a spiritual existence then this at least suggest that angels don’t originally have the ability to reproduce biologically because there’s no biological body of they’re own to procreate with…
Now, if I’m right about that part and angels don’t originally have the ability to procreate, then I’m only left with….
🤷🏻♂️>why did God give the FALLEN ANGELS the ability to not only have sex but be equipped to have sex with humans and successfully impregnate……🤷🏻♂️WHAT.
We can’t even breed species that aren’t in the same biological “family”, how did angels mate with us…🤷🏻♂️?
……………………
As you can see this raises some alarming questions, it’s kind of racking my brain at the moment and thats why I kind of want someone else’s thoughts and opinions on this…….????
Please 😭😭😭help me!!
I've had the same questions. Plus, what about this: would GOD, Whom forms is in the womb, make the copulation between an angel and woman successful? He would know better, right? So then that would seem silly that He would have to cause the flood and save only a few. But, then there's Nephilim again after?
If you do like you did and follow these theories about Nephilim to their logical conclusions they seem to make GOD out to be inept, incompetent, wreckless, and unwise.
What about the animals being evil, like it says in Genesis before the flood, were they crossbred with angels, too? And then, after the flood, if there were still some angel DNA in Noah's sons, his son's wives or if Noah had more kids, or Noah's wife had more, we might still be contaminated today! Some more than others.
People want to mythologize the Bible. They want to make congruent the ancient myths of Egyptian gods with animal heads, Greek gods/Roman gods, all the various ones from different cultures with the Bible. It's not necessary.
The important thing is to be open to the truth only. Pray and ask for GOD's knowledge, understanding and wisdom if He wills it for you to know for sure. Work through it logically. When you go through Scripture, however often, maybe have a designated spot to jot down relevant verses and after you make it through the Bible 1 or more times, sifting for that and other things, then see what He has already said.
I'd enjoy more thoughts from you as well
@@YIO777 You know I wonder some times that if every single mystery that is “dug up” in the Bible, that if it were to all be laid out and every question answered to the “T” ….would it even actually change anything for me in my life, drastically to the point where life is better or whatever 🤷🏻♂️ know what I mean? Like let’s say God revealed every secret to Revelations to me, mark of the best and everything, down to the “T” , every detail……….. would I then have a stronger faith…🤔🤷🏻♂️ would I all of a sudden stop sinning …? Would it actually give me usable insight?
…….or do we just believe that to know these thing is an important endeavor…🤷🏻♂️
Either way I still feel compelled to want to know …..
I suppose I’m saying if the gospel is the most important knowledge for us to have and in it we have God then what IS knowing about the secrets to Revelations or Genesis or any of the others for that matter…..🤷🏻♂️
Maybe having these gigantic question marks towards God and his revelations is normal and suppose to be that way for ever and eternity 🤷🏻♂️
To press that further, if we did understand it all, isn’t that kind of like thinking we can fully understand God, to degree? (Maybe) 🤷🏻♂️
These things I enjoy trying to chase down but is theres a degree of acceptance to knowing I may never know any of the things that are a mystery to me about God and how much of a degree is that…? I would even add that to the existence in heaven, I don’t think wile being in heaven that we are going to all of a sudden be able to fully understand God, there will still be lots and lots of mystery, even in heaven with the knowledge that is assumed to be present there…🤷🏻♂️idk…….😊
Acceptance of ignorance does seem wise here sometimes, but I can’t say that that doesn’t bother me.
@@hanstwilight3218 Again, I feel much the same way at times. What would it change?
The problem for me is that, so early on in the Bible, the whole story is different from then on if you believe the Nephilim thing one way or another.
It's not a salvation issue, but the Gospel starts in Genesis 1:1. So, we must compare Scripture with Scripture. We must test. It is good to know these things to be prepared to give an answer to those who ask. This topic is of a huge fascination to people that are on the fence of the world and believing. So, I think it's very important. There are also a lot of new age people believing in aliens, gods and other things that try to distort our interpretation of Scripture by legitimizing The book of Enoch.
Ultimately, GOD knows. If we need to know, when we seek Him and He will show us.
@@YIO777 I see what you mean, that’s a good point but I guess it makes me want to distill my point down further ….. what if God never gave us any of what we have now in the Old Testament and also Revelations, and all we had were the four gospels, and that was it……, I feel that that would still be sufficient, in other words God could still expect us to come to believe and trust in him with just and only his sacrifice and resurrection as the only things to “look at” or know about….. I mean, doesn’t that sound right anyways…???? Wouldn’t the gospel still stand on its own legs as to how important it is to us ( without prophecy and all the rest)🤷🏻♂️….
I think what I might be trying to say is all the stuff that leads up to Jesus’s first coming is more like a loving gift for us to make sense of it all instead of a necessary aspect that insures salvation…… if what Jesus did in the gospels alone is what defeats death and sin, then admittedly it becomes easy to say that the other things we find in the whole of scripture aren’t necessarily necessary for us to even know about in the first place, and having all that other stuff there starts to look like more of something he did out of love, God in a way doesn’t benefit from giving us all that we find leading up to the gospel, making some sense of it all. (I assume)
Lol sry, just to be clear I’m not suggesting we do away with all the other stuff besides the gospels…😅
And thinking about your point about people on the fence, I totally get this point here as this is something iv battled with as well, but what I can’t say is even when I did figure out some of the mystery iv found in things like Genesis and the obvious places, that I wasn’t lost anymore…, to know those things were not what touched my heart or opened my eyes,…
it was Christ alone and in my day today life that remains the truth …..HIM…… God alone….. and that’s it.
( I mean… right🤷🏻♂️)?
What do you think?????????
Am I missing something…
@@hanstwilight3218 It's thing to speculate on the possibilities within reality, but I don't know how fruitful it is to speculate on things that are what if's.
I do agree with your last major point; it's all about Him.
I've been reading The Bible in a chronological order put together by the people of and available on Blue Letter Bible. Not sure as to the accuracy, but it seems to work for the most part. It helps me see the journey GOD is taking humanity through in order to give no shadow of a doubt of exactly Who He is. He is. YHWH. He's perfect, good, all-powerful, all-knowing and -wise, He's perfectly loving, just, creative, etc. He's so beautiful and His glory is so great we can't even look at Him or we'd die. Like what?! His glory is described as incinerating things when He comes here. Not only should we respect, fear, revere, love and serve Him, but we get to have a personal relationship with Him despite our shortcomings so long as we repent and follow Him.