Good test. My force seems to constantly be moving when in spotlock. Rotating around alot and not moving much. Keeps me in place pretty good but just makes a lot of annoying noise.
The reason is prolly your ancchor lock gain. I’ll post the video here for you to review and see if that’s the problem. th-cam.com/video/mOAYYr5yrXI/w-d-xo.html
simple answer is that your boat has mass that is in motion and there is no way to calculate all the different boat and weights that the trolling motor will have to push around the amount of drift depends on the amount of thrust required to get your boat moving and then stopping it. different things will affect it like wind and current. getting you within 10 foot is probably pretty good when you factor everything in.
I just had a new force installed on my boat. I have calibrated it at least 4 to 5 times with 85 to 86% being the best I could get out of it.. My problem is what you covered with the boat backing up 15 to 20 feet.. Very aggregating to say the least because sometimes it will come back up and sometimes it just does whatever it wants.. I've been very disappointed with it the few times I've used the spotlock
Good visual test. Ive noticed this same "go past your mark in reverse then walk back up to your spot lock location". Since we, the public, have non-military grade GPS accuracy, getting to within 3 to 8 foot of your spot lock location is about all the accuracy you can expect. If you open the page on your garmin unit that shows the number of satellites you are picking up it will show you the average gps "error" at that specific time. Ive noticed anywhere from 6' to 19'. This accuracy will vary throughout the day as different gps satellites and number of satellites are overhead. Also, as we encounter here in the Ozarks, being up a creek with high hills on both sides you may be picking up only 3 satellites which pulls down your location accuracy. Ive asked the Garmin help guys a question which nobody there can answer which is also interesting.... Ive got 3 Garmin units plus the Force TM and the hand held. All have GPS heads. If I mark a spot say with my handheld and I'm standing in the back of the boat, which GPS head unit in the networked system is it using as my location. Could be 20' difference from TM head to my standing location. Anyone?
Good question but ten trolling motor is a stand alone gps unit. It doesn’t require fishfinder as to operate. The receiver is in the head. I mentioned that my error was about 9 feet in the video. Thanks for watching bud and great info.
@@The_Garmin_Guru Iam really wanting a force as the ultrex just doesn’t have a whole lots of power .It’s ok but nothing like the new ones.2.5 is about my top speed
The jog feature will not work correctly if you have a bad pedal. I don’t know why, because you can’t jog with the pedal, but I had two bad pedals and once replaced both of my forces jogged correctly.
I have the exact same theory about the refresh rate. I’ve thought this for a while now. What do I know? I know nothing about gps refresh rates. Good test!
That’s where mine seems to struggle when I’m in the wind or heavy current it’s like the unit never compensates for either so I spot lock it almost always turns the head 90-180 degrees which puts me off the spot immediately then we run over the top of the spot by 10-12’ and it’s a back and forth volley match never slowing down or compensating for the 10’ it will take to turn back around and return to the spot so basically I get stuck in a tennis match back and forth over the spot with the unit sometimes violently correcting up to speed 10 or so which is pretty quick to make a 180 degree turn if you aren’t prepared . So if I’m understanding you right when I get close to my spot lock point I can semi-assist the unit by taking off and hitting spot lock again when I hastily pass over my spot in hot pursuit of the place the unit thinks I spot locked to 😂😂
I don’t know that brother. Minn Kota uses a gps puck which has a higher refresh rate. Garmin has something similar and I have ordered it to See if it helps
It's really not that difficult to understand. If you drive past the bout the tm is trying to spin the whole boat around and it's difficult for it to push the whole boat straight going backwards. It's not how spot lock works. Go past the bouy and stop. Turn the tm 180 degrees and push the boat backwards and push the anchor button
I had a Motorguide XI5 and didn't pay any attention to the engine sounds at all. I replaced it with Garmin Force and now, instead of relaxing while fishing, I'm driven to hell by its crazy howling during rotation. I think it's a Garmin design dud
@@The_Garmin_Guru Write why? Motorguide is generally cheaper (but it's not the price that matters) and has fewer functions. The remote control is a disaster, but the engine itself is much quieter, and that's more important to me than the fancy, fast (and therefore howling) Force. I go boating to fish in silence, not to listen to the howling of a robot
Good test. My force seems to constantly be moving when in spotlock. Rotating around alot and not moving much. Keeps me in place pretty good but just makes a lot of annoying noise.
The reason is prolly your ancchor lock gain. I’ll post the video here for you to review and see if that’s the problem. th-cam.com/video/mOAYYr5yrXI/w-d-xo.html
My MotorGuide does the same thing. I was about ready to toss it overboard. Good info. Thanks !
Thanks for watching. I didn’t have a good experience with the Motorguide at all
simple answer is that your boat has mass that is in motion and there is no way to calculate all the different boat and weights that the trolling motor will have to push around the amount of drift depends on the amount of thrust required to get your boat moving and then stopping it. different things will affect it like wind and current. getting you within 10 foot is probably pretty good when you factor everything in.
Agreed my friend
I just had a new force installed on my boat. I have calibrated it at least 4 to 5 times with 85 to 86% being the best I could get out of it.. My problem is what you covered with the boat backing up 15 to 20 feet.. Very aggregating to say the least because sometimes it will come back up and sometimes it just does whatever it wants.. I've been very disappointed with it the few times I've used the spotlock
The new update seems to have fixed that.
Good visual test. Ive noticed this same "go past your mark in reverse then walk back up to your spot lock location". Since we, the public, have non-military grade GPS accuracy, getting to within 3 to 8 foot of your spot lock location is about all the accuracy you can expect. If you open the page on your garmin unit that shows the number of satellites you are picking up it will show you the average gps "error" at that specific time. Ive noticed anywhere from 6' to 19'. This accuracy will vary throughout the day as different gps satellites and number of satellites are overhead. Also, as we encounter here in the Ozarks, being up a creek with high hills on both sides you may be picking up only 3 satellites which pulls down your location accuracy. Ive asked the Garmin help guys a question which nobody there can answer which is also interesting.... Ive got 3 Garmin units plus the Force TM and the hand held. All have GPS heads. If I mark a spot say with my handheld and I'm standing in the back of the boat, which GPS head unit in the networked system is it using as my location. Could be 20' difference from TM head to my standing location. Anyone?
Good question but ten trolling motor is a stand alone gps unit. It doesn’t require fishfinder as to operate. The receiver is in the head. I mentioned that my error was about 9 feet in the video. Thanks for watching bud and great info.
Mine does this and worse, from still position. Scary around docks. I’m going to calibrate it again and see if that helps
I’ll have to test my ultrex because some time it’s get pretty wild even let’s us drift way off 5-8 feet and than take off back to the spot.
Let me know what the results are bid
@@The_Garmin_Guru
Iam really wanting a force as the ultrex just doesn’t have a whole lots of power .It’s ok but nothing like the new ones.2.5 is about my top speed
Great video. I think a test on the jog feature would be good especially with a little wind. Never seems to work right for me.
I have a video from
A few months ago. But I need to do another one. It works great for me tho. What seems to be happening with yours.
The jog feature will not work correctly if you have a bad pedal. I don’t know why, because you can’t jog with the pedal, but I had two bad pedals and once replaced both of my forces jogged correctly.
Been a while since I used it but seems like I’d jog forward and it would move left etc
@@dreb3497 Sounds like you haven't set your bow offset.
I have the exact same theory about the refresh rate. I’ve thought this for a while now. What do I know? I know nothing about gps refresh rates. Good test!
Garmin has something similar to a puck but I don’t know if it would hook to the trolling motor.
what livescope mount are you running?
thanks
I hit the Anchor button a second time on the way back and that seems to help.
Yep I hit it once then again which turns it off and then again and it’s money. It’s technically a triple tap but I call it a double tap. Lol
That’s where mine seems to struggle when I’m in the wind or heavy current it’s like the unit never compensates for either so I spot lock it almost always turns the head 90-180 degrees which puts me off the spot immediately then we run over the top of the spot by 10-12’ and it’s a back and forth volley match never slowing down or compensating for the 10’ it will take to turn back around and return to the spot so basically I get stuck in a tennis match back and forth over the spot with the unit sometimes violently correcting up to speed 10 or so which is pretty quick to make a 180 degree turn if you aren’t prepared . So if I’m understanding you right when I get close to my spot lock point I can semi-assist the unit by taking off and hitting spot lock again when I hastily pass over my spot in hot pursuit of the place the unit thinks I spot locked to 😂😂
Just to clarify, do u have a issue in the wind with it holding?
No sir
What mount is that over your trolling motor for the live scope transducer?
Livefoot mount
No offense but I’m wondering if my Minn Kota 80lb thrust Ultrex does or doesn’t do this? 🤔 good video and test tho
I don’t know that brother. Minn Kota uses a gps puck which has a higher refresh rate. Garmin has something similar and I have ordered it to
See if it helps
Do you have the steady cast sensor? Wonder if it would correct that
It may. I don’t really have a huge reason to have one but it might be a good investment for some
I have the steadycast it dont seem to help
factory PID tuning is probably for a much heavier boat, looks like you are on a 16ft aluminum.
My boat is 18 foot with a 150
Do you have livesweep for your scope ?
I have a Livescanner it’s one of my favorite items on my boat for sure.
The spot lock is always relating to a gps coordinate, so using “the spot” is arbitrary.
Explain further bud.
It's really not that difficult to understand. If you drive past the bout the tm is trying to spin the whole boat around and it's difficult for it to push the whole boat straight going backwards. It's not how spot lock works. Go past the bouy and stop. Turn the tm 180 degrees and push the boat backwards and push the anchor button
Brother are you telling me how to do it or are you speaking to everyone that this video was aimed at. I’m simply testing what everyone gripes about.
I had a Motorguide XI5 and didn't pay any attention to the engine sounds at all. I replaced it with Garmin Force and now, instead of relaxing while fishing, I'm driven to hell by its crazy howling during rotation. I think it's a Garmin design dud
@@ArkadArno I’ll never own another junkie motorguide.
@@The_Garmin_Guru Write why? Motorguide is generally cheaper (but it's not the price that matters) and has fewer functions.
The remote control is a disaster, but the engine itself is much quieter, and that's more important to me than the fancy, fast (and therefore howling) Force.
I go boating to fish in silence, not to listen to the howling of a robot
@@ArkadArno There is no annoying sound at all, my friend, it is very quiet.