You should read more about HMB (Host Memory Buffer). When attaching an SS 980 directly to the mainboard, the speed will reach the specifications. In the case of attaching it via Thunderbolt, the HMB cache will not work and the speed will not reach the specifications.
*But this also heavily depends on the quality of your cable. The length of the cable (for delay) and the quality and circuitry components on the drive header, as well.*
I have 2 Acasis enclosures, one with a 980 Pro 2 Tb and the other with the 990 Pro 2 Tb. Both get 2800 r/w on my Mac Studio Ultra 48 cores. I also have 2 of the OWC 4M2 enclosures, one with 16 Tb and the other getting 8 Tb. They get 2500 r/w. All 4 are jump for joy wonderful!
Great stuff, i was looking at buying the 980 as the specs were good enough and a saving in money is always welcome, but the980 pro seems to spank the test so I will have to pony up the extra money. Still far cheaper than the Samsung x5 yet test speeds are better.
I have ordered the Acacias Thunderbolt Enclosure, But I still haven't decided the ssd. For Basis tasks and little bit of 4k footage editing and some Adobe apps for Mac, Which SSD do you prefer. I am planning to use this as my boot drive. Lovely Video!
For the editing, either of these two would be fine in my opinion. The SSD 980 Pro is undoubtedly the one to go for if... 1. Your laptop supports Thunderbolt or USB4.0 2. You shift very large files around (e.g. 4K ProRes or RAW video) You mention that you're going to use this as a boot drive? Is it wise to use an external drive as a boot drive? Is it even possible?
I wish you would look at other important specs besides burst sequential transfer speed. IE 4K random read/writes etc. using something like AmorphousDiskMark
Thanks for the comparison test. If you can answer a quick question. Does the Samsung 980 Pro get very hot when you're working with video files I guess like I do? Thanks in adance
@@tdcattech I guessed right I ordered a new enclosure for the M2 memory, but it has a fan. So I'm looking to see if it's stupid or clever. Thanks for replay
I really hate how these drives can be completely different yet keep the same model. It would be like a video card being twice as fast with the same model number just stick some letters behind it. I bought the 980 18 months ago, saw the 990 pro came out was said wow twice as fast! Then I said oh... 980 pro is actually 7k MB/s as well... and its 80 dollars cheaper for the same capacity.
I'm playing fps games a lot, can you tell me if I should get a 980 or a 980 pro plz in my country the price difference between these two are not that much so tell me ;)
can you speak on the difference between using a 20GBPS 3.2 2x2 enclosure vs the 40? my guess would be it's a bit slower but not by more than 10%(for the 980 pro 2tb)
Well apparently I'm out here breaking thunderbolt standards, because I'm getting 3018MB/s read & 2991 write on my 2TB 980 pro, using Crystal Disk Mark. And the drive only has 6GB of space left. Max transfer speed was 1.6 GB/s on windows, but 3.03GB/s on my Mac.
Are there usecases in which an externel Samsung 990Pro connected via thunderbolt (M2 Macbok pro 2TB) have noticeable disadvantages over the internal SSD? Thank you! Conny
Thanks for the video! With the Acasis SSD Case and 980 Pro (117€), could two/three virtual machines (NO thunderbold, but 3.1 type-c gen.2) run in parallel without starting on fire? ;-). Is it still worth it without thunderbolt?
Nice video, using same enclosure with 980 pro on 2017 iMac with t-bolt 3.0.. i am only getting 637 write and 2128 read, on my pc 423 and 423 wtf gives! Then on the mac i run again (5mb test size) and it goes 760 and 2451 confused My internal mac spinner gets 730 and 2335 unplugged and back in stat fast on the write 1700 then slowed tp 140 with read of 1623 this is horrible!
This is a look at Thunderbolt connectivity via a cable. It has data transfer rates considerably below what this drive could achieve if it was plumbed into a machine via the interface on e.g. the motherboard.
980 pro is the way to go theyre well worth the money I have like 6 2tb now ive used them since they came out. i plot chia with a couple of them too and people always say how chia plotting will kill regular nvme ssds but I have plotted enough to fill the 30 18tb hard drives i have and plotting all those the 980 pro that did almost all the plotting still has 41% life left. Also with testing if you use crystal disk mark and choose the performance profile you'll get a more accurate view of the max speed of these through TB4. I have TB4 and that same enclosure and I know that the 980 pro can read and write a lot faster than that on that setup but you have to test with a program that lets you choose max performance test because it will vary a lot with other tests you have no idea how many threads or what size que that test program was testing at. Using 16 threads the 980 pro in that enclosure will run at just about full speed as if it were connected to a pcie 4x4 slot which is triple the speed yours was running at.
Since the bottleneck is essentially the TB bus, RAID would not really help, unless you had an expensive computer with two separate thunderbolt controller chips and made sure to plug them in on different busses. It also could speed up some operations like small random writes. But in terms of breaking the barrier of around 2.8GBps, not really.
@@spacecadet2172 that's what i mean two separate external thunderbolt enclosures on two thunderbolt cables. My accasis enclosure gets 3000 gbs read. So pleased with it. I suppose any more than that will expose other bottlenecks.
@@penskib1975 it’s not about two cables. It all depends on the computer and how many thunderbolt controller chips and busses it has. The old Intel MacBook pros with 4 thunderbolt ports had 2 separate thunderbolt controllers, and if you plugged the drives into opposite sides of computer, you could get independent 40gbps thunderbolt busses. But computers with such a configuration are quite rare
these numbers are the most boring and least exciting value to talk, brag or compare about. Its access times and ramdom reads/writes of small datachunks.
@@tdcattech ye pushing huge files from one nvme ssd to another...thats what we do all day. Must be severyl Terabytes each day to actually call for a faster transferspeed.
You should read more about HMB (Host Memory Buffer). When attaching an SS 980 directly to the mainboard, the speed will reach the specifications. In the case of attaching it via Thunderbolt, the HMB cache will not work and the speed will not reach the specifications.
So I just got a ssd 980, will it be 3500mbps?
@@ItsBuuild Will it?
@@ItsBuuild not on a 2017 iMac read that a slooooow horrible in the 500's for write and 2400s read
Exactly. On my MB I got 3400mb read and 2700mb write speed
@@ItsBuuildafter turbowrite area - which is samsung term slc cache, the speed will be limited to 800MB to 900 MB/S for 1tb model
The Pro model isn't "just faster;" it's rated (and warrantied) to a much higher wear level.
This is really useful. I was thinking about using the same kind of set up. Thanks for sharing!
very informative content..thank you for uploading
*But this also heavily depends on the quality of your cable. The length of the cable (for delay) and the quality and circuitry components on the drive header, as well.*
thank you for making this video, just what I needed to find out
Thanks for this video! Exactly what I needed!
you can only feel the difference when transferring large files, like 50 - 100 GB file transfer.
great video, always wanted to max out Tbt
I have 2 Acasis enclosures, one with a 980 Pro 2 Tb and the other with the 990 Pro 2 Tb. Both get 2800 r/w on my Mac Studio Ultra 48 cores. I also have 2 of the OWC 4M2 enclosures, one with 16 Tb and the other getting 8 Tb. They get 2500 r/w. All 4 are jump for joy wonderful!
Great stuff, i was looking at buying the 980 as the specs were good enough and a saving in money is always welcome, but the980 pro seems to spank the test so I will have to pony up the extra money.
Still far cheaper than the Samsung x5 yet test speeds are better.
I'm looking at the 10gbps version, would a 970 plus 1tb be sufficient?
I have ordered the Acacias Thunderbolt Enclosure, But I still haven't decided the ssd. For Basis tasks and little bit of 4k footage editing and some Adobe apps for Mac, Which SSD do you prefer. I am planning to use this as my boot drive. Lovely Video!
For the editing, either of these two would be fine in my opinion. The SSD 980 Pro is undoubtedly the one to go for if...
1. Your laptop supports Thunderbolt or USB4.0
2. You shift very large files around (e.g. 4K ProRes or RAW video)
You mention that you're going to use this as a boot drive? Is it wise to use an external drive as a boot drive? Is it even possible?
Great video thanks and it seems to beat out the sabrent rocket as well which is pretty impressive ..
I have 2 980pros, newegg messed up my order and double shipped one lol
I wish you would look at other important specs besides burst sequential transfer speed. IE 4K random read/writes etc. using something like AmorphousDiskMark
Thanks for the comparison test. If you can answer a quick question. Does the Samsung 980 Pro get very hot when you're working with video files I guess like I do?
Thanks in adance
Yes, it does get pretty hot. I definitely recommend a good heat sink if possible.
@@tdcattech I guessed right
I ordered a new enclosure for the M2 memory, but it has a fan.
So I'm looking to see if it's stupid or clever. Thanks for replay
Would of been better to do tests on Windows CrystalMark and a few games and using the ssds connected to m.2 slots. Still enjoyed the review
It's useless then to get such case right ? A 10 Gbps case would get the same speed ?
I really hate how these drives can be completely different yet keep the same model. It would be like a video card being twice as fast with the same model number just stick some letters behind it. I bought the 980 18 months ago, saw the 990 pro came out was said wow twice as fast! Then I said oh... 980 pro is actually 7k MB/s as well... and its 80 dollars cheaper for the same capacity.
I'm playing fps games a lot, can you tell me if I should get a 980 or a 980 pro plz in my country the price difference between these two are not that much so tell me ;)
I had clicked over and i had read the Pro will not fit the enclosure - states it specifically…. Is this true ?
Should i buy 980 1tb or kingston 2tb 3500 2100 speed?
can you speak on the difference between using a 20GBPS 3.2 2x2 enclosure vs the 40? my guess would be it's a bit slower but not by more than 10%(for the 980 pro 2tb)
That NVME drive is not showing up through your genius link in the US unfortunately.
Well apparently I'm out here breaking thunderbolt standards, because I'm getting 3018MB/s read & 2991 write on my 2TB 980 pro, using Crystal Disk Mark. And the drive only has 6GB of space left. Max transfer speed was 1.6 GB/s on windows, but 3.03GB/s on my Mac.
apples and oranges though what are the black magic speeds, for comparison to what we see here
Are there usecases in which an externel Samsung 990Pro connected via thunderbolt (M2 Macbok pro 2TB) have noticeable disadvantages over the internal SSD?
Thank you!
Conny
Thanks for the video! With the Acasis SSD Case and 980 Pro (117€), could two/three virtual machines (NO thunderbold, but 3.1 type-c gen.2) run in parallel without starting on fire? ;-). Is it still worth it without thunderbolt?
For that kind of task, other specs such as small 4K random read/writes would be much more important, which wasn’t covered in this video
Question
Does the Samsung 980 support android phone i'll just used it for store my files?
Is the 980 pro compatible with a dell 15 7567 ?
How does a 990pro perform?
Nice video, using same enclosure with 980 pro on 2017 iMac with t-bolt 3.0.. i am only getting 637 write and 2128 read, on my pc 423 and 423 wtf gives! Then on the mac i run again (5mb test size) and it goes 760 and 2451 confused My internal mac spinner gets 730 and 2335 unplugged and back in stat fast on the write 1700 then slowed tp 140 with read of 1623 this is horrible!
Acasis recommends the 980Pro version
Can't argue with that. It's so bloody fast!
why it says 7000 read speed in the box of ssd drive ?
This is a look at Thunderbolt connectivity via a cable. It has data transfer rates considerably below what this drive could achieve if it was plumbed into a machine via the interface on e.g. the motherboard.
I have a extra samsung 980 pro that came with a heat sink will it fit in this case
NO, less thermal losses ...possibly you get more overheating
Thunderbolt?
bit.ly/thunderboltintel
980 pro is the way to go theyre well worth the money I have like 6 2tb now ive used them since they came out. i plot chia with a couple of them too and people always say how chia plotting will kill regular nvme ssds but I have plotted enough to fill the 30 18tb hard drives i have and plotting all those the 980 pro that did almost all the plotting still has 41% life left. Also with testing if you use crystal disk mark and choose the performance profile you'll get a more accurate view of the max speed of these through TB4. I have TB4 and that same enclosure and I know that the 980 pro can read and write a lot faster than that on that setup but you have to test with a program that lets you choose max performance test because it will vary a lot with other tests you have no idea how many threads or what size que that test program was testing at. Using 16 threads the 980 pro in that enclosure will run at just about full speed as if it were connected to a pcie 4x4 slot which is triple the speed yours was running at.
What is chia plotting?
Update your nvme
Do you have an issue with heat? I own a 980 Pro and it runs hot AF.
Not at all. They run warm but nothing more.
What enclosure are you using it in?
Can you use two in raid for faster speeds by the way, would like to see that test.
Since the bottleneck is essentially the TB bus, RAID would not really help, unless you had an expensive computer with two separate thunderbolt controller chips and made sure to plug them in on different busses. It also could speed up some operations like small random writes. But in terms of breaking the barrier of around 2.8GBps, not really.
@@spacecadet2172 that's what i mean two separate external thunderbolt enclosures on two thunderbolt cables. My accasis enclosure gets 3000 gbs read. So pleased with it.
I suppose any more than that will expose other bottlenecks.
@@penskib1975 it’s not about two cables. It all depends on the computer and how many thunderbolt controller chips and busses it has. The old Intel MacBook pros with 4 thunderbolt ports had 2 separate thunderbolt controllers, and if you plugged the drives into opposite sides of computer, you could get independent 40gbps thunderbolt busses. But computers with such a configuration are quite rare
Is the sticker of the m.2 considered as heatsink so I need to remove it when I want to instal the mother board heatsink or no ?
I haven’t but it probably wouldn’t do any harm. I’ve thought that a few times but heat has never been an issue. 👍🏻
Sticker is heatsink indeed at least in all high end products like samsung etc.
Great stuff
DO NOT KEEP YOUR FINGERS ON SOMETHING YOU ARE SHOWING
To be safe, I took a 500 gb 908 for the operating system and a 980 pro as memory so I'm on the safe side🤣🤣
in my country i found 980 fffoor 100 euros and for the pro versioon is 103 euroos :DDD
Lmao,this really sucks, Chibese made m2 Nvme goes 2600 MB/s, need
980 good for games ?
The kind of data rates you get, they’re good for pretty much anything in 2022.
these numbers are the most boring and least exciting value to talk, brag or compare about. Its access times and ramdom reads/writes of small datachunks.
Depends what you're doing. For me, this is critical. Shifting large video files around and accessing videos in an editor.
@@tdcattech ye pushing huge files from one nvme ssd to another...thats what we do all day. Must be severyl Terabytes each day to actually call for a faster transferspeed.