"Where you said "There's nothing you can do about it", Correct as a user, but I think it's important to understand that higher quality motherboards with faster switching frequencies and more capacitor capacity will experience VDROOP less and therefore will require less extreme LLC settings. That's why it's important to understand and measure on your own motehrboard and not jsut use otehr people's recommended settings when fine tuning your overclock.
After asking what these things are so many times and never getting a straight answer (including from google) I am so glad I found this straightforward explanation! Thank you!
Would love to see an updated video about how AC/DC LL Interacts with vid,vcore & vdroop. I know 1.51v is pushing it for max voltage for 24/7 use On 11900k but I don't think it will cause degradation. I was able to get AC/DC LL down to .08mohm to hopefully prevent unnecessary voltage spikes. Temps are still good (custom loop)
So to summarize, increasing LLC increases the voltage for the CPU WHEN it is under load (which increases temperature during benchmarking and stress tests) as well as increases peak voltage when the system is transitioning to idle voltage from load voltage (LLC increasing CAN mean much greater voltage then what you set in vCore/idle voltage temporarily while switching between states of idle and load. This can have a negative effect on your CPU's lifespan).
I just wanted to say that you make great content, which is much more Educational than most tutorials I've seen :) On another note I've been having a little issue with my overclock on my fx 8320, paired with an gigabyte ud3 990fxa and a hyper 212 evo. The issue being when performing a cold boot at high overclocks (4.6ghz) and above, my pc starts to boot then about 2 seconds from boot it switches off another five seconds passes it switches itself back on continuing to boot normally, I'm pretty sure it's due to the CPU not getting enough power upon bootup, sidenote this doesn't usually happen on a reboot (say I pressed the reset switch) however increasing the vcore doesn't help, and if I set my load line anything over medium, voltages become unsafe. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I would love to find a solution, if you need any more info just ask, and keep up the great vids, thanks alot, Thomas :)
hi ,,please i am starting laptop repair motherboard , i need understand more about vcore VIDs , do yuo konwe source could explaine it to me from basic thank you alot
actually I researched the topic a bit more and the answer is yes, you definitely do not want to use extreme LLC setting as it can put near-death voltage levels on CPU
yes you are correct. you should start with no llc or minimal. then apply the voltage you want. then you should increase llc slowly until the voltage you set matches the voltage at load or even slightly less. so the rebound wont be too high. im sure you know this by now with your reading but others may not
The only problem with LLC is that you dont get the data on how bad the rebound is. For instance, I have a gigabyte X370 gaming 5 and I am setting the VID at 1.35V, LLC on turbo (second highest) and in the OS under load the Vcore goes from 1.344V to 1.319V. Thats still a big drop in my book but I dont get to see how much the rebound is 8(. So, to be on the safe side, I assume I should lower the LLC even lower, but impossible to tell since you will only figure it out a few years down the line or (god forbid) sooner if you kill the cpu. (Ryzen 1700) EDIT: In fact, what is better? Higher default VID or compensation with LLC? I mean to be safer.
Many a CPU has been fried by high LLC settings. Particularly during boot when the bios sends a spike of voltage to jumpstart the CPU before leveling the voltage out. It largely depends on the MB and the model....but what usually happens is someone will max out LLC in the bios, save and exit the bios and go into Windows and run tests to check overclock. The test either fails and you blue screen or it passes and you eventually power down your PC. The next time you power on the PC you get the dreaded error code that designates a fried CPU/hardware failure. Initial jolt of boot voltage paired with the extra voltage added on by your OC instantly kills the CPU. Pretty sure theirs a video by TH-camr JayzTwoCents where he killed a CPU by doing just that. He forgot to clear cmos after really pushing his CPU for benchmarking and it killed it upon reboot. Probably be a good idea to always "clear cmos" so it becomes a habit. Save your bios overclock settings as a profile and you won't have to start from scratch all over again. I know most motherboards that advertise overclocking have UEFI/Bios profile saving features. I always never go over the middle range for LLC settings. Currently I'm running an overclocked 5960x at 4.4ghz @ 1.25v on a Asus X99-e WS motherboard. ASUS motherboards give you the option of setting LLC to the default "auto" or designate a number between 1-9 with 9 being max LLC. 7 would be the absolute max I'd try but I usually set LLC right in the middle which would be 5. I'm not a master overclocker by any stretch but I was fortunate enough to learn of the dangers of high LLC early on. It's not nearly warned about enough and the motherboard usually doesn't specify the dangers in the bios since I'm guessing if you are running a non-overclocked system high LLC might not be an issue.
Impylse - your voltage does actually decrease because your motherboard wants it forces it to during idle. Mine goes from 1.23 to 0.67v or so. But vdroop is different and from what I understand is actually a natural phenomenon found in any electrical circuit, even in the walls in your house. As electricity flows through wires it generates heat and loses some of its voltage. It's almost like friction or air resistance on a car. They say that you burn 10% more gas in your car per mile for every mile per hour you drive over 60mph. So if you drive to your friends house doing 60 you will use 10% more gas for the same distance than if you go 70.
@impylse heres the best way to think about it. have you had a large appliance or electrical device turn on and when it did the lights in your home dimmed. im sure youve seen this. its the same thing at idle there's no load so there is no problem keeping the voltage high and the light bright. if you had a little light bulb on the same circuit as you cpu it would be very bright. then when the cpu suddenly gets loaded up the little light bulb dims because the cpu is pulling power and the voltage drops. also while the voltage drops the current increases massively. current is the measure of "power"
Maybe another way of thinking about it... When you play tug of war, both parties are pulling the rope. So imagine that when both sides are pulling on the rope, it's when the CPU is under max load. If one side lets go (you end the benchmark), you fall backwards because you were pulling so hard, but all of a sudden that force wasn't needed anymore. (the CPU all of a sudden doesn't need that much power anymore, but for a split second it was still receiving the power it required previously, so the load shoots up a bit, kind of like when you fall from the other side letting go).
also as impilse says power saving features drop the voltage down below one volt, like intel's speedstep. you could call this "idle" voltage because the cpu downclocks and reduces voltage when not in use. but this is not what der8auer means in this case.
It's like a car, some system items stand low and then go high, and some stand at max and drop to allow the low ones to increase to prevent overheating and burnout/fires.
my VID sits at 1.42 on my VIII Hero. My CPU is set to 1.295v. My LLC is at 5 and it idles at 1.312v. Heavy loads it usually cycles between 1.312 to 1.286 at 4.6ghz.
Thanks for the info. 1 question. When voltage drops on load, power is compensated by current right? So when the undershoot happens when load starts, can the current spike harm the system?
Thanks so much for the video! Quick question for you or anyone else who is able & willing... I have a Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 7 motherboard and it has a setting for CPU voltage called "Core PLL Overvoltage (+mV)" - it goes in increments of 15mV up to something like 300mV total. It's not mentioned in the manual and it seems nearly impossible to find any information (reliable or otherwise) about this setting online. Do you happen to know if this setting is relevant to the "V Offset" in your diagram around 2:45? Perhaps it's an amount above VID that the motherboard will deliver (e.g. providing a higher voltage than VID requests), either constantly or under certain load conditions? Thanks in advance for any light someone can shed on this! :)
Any help, what could be causing this. I7-13700k, regular settings etc, hitting +-90C max temp. Cinebench r23, 10seconds after starting the benchmark, it draws +-230w and voltage is at +-1.37. But after the 10 seconds, power draw drops to 60watts and voltage drops to 0.74v. Cant seem to find solution for this. Have tried forced voltages etc, but dont help.
Thank you for all these great videos on overclocking, really helps a lot. What would be the max CPU Core Voltage I can use on a 6700k with Load Line Calibration at 6 on an Asus Z170-Pro.
+Thomas Lind thanks :) I would stay below 1.40 Volt depending on the CPU temperature. Try to stay below 85°C because Skylake CPUs tend to become unstable above 80°C
I'm running a Threadripper 1950X. According to HWMonitor, I have a VID per core of 1.237v when idle. It goes down to 1.194v when I start a stress test. That makes no sense. If VID is the 'requested' voltage from the core, why would it decrease just as it starts to get busy and needs more current? My vcore is 1.248v idle, 1.224v all cores loaded. So VID isn't a maximum either.
Hi, great video! I'm trying to get 4.7Ghz on it 8600k. I put 1.27v core and I see in hwinfo 1.34v sometimes. What should I look in the software? Average or maximum voltages? Also getting 80°C at that readings
It's the VID that I'm just not understanding. I've read some things, watched this vid and try to make sense of it for my given situation and it doesn't click. Here's my situation... I have a 3700x and am monitoring with a few different programs. When I run at stock settings, I get the apparently normal 1.4v - 1.45v for both the vcore and the VID. If I set a manual overclock, the VID now never goes above 1.1v regardless of multiplier and vcore voltage. The VID almost constantly stays at 1.1 with the brief and occasional slight dip below 1.1 . How do I make sense of this? Isn't the VID supposed to be higher than the vcore voltage?
bearing in mind a benchmark instantly hits the cpu with 100% load causing the worst voltage under/overshoot youd ever see (if you could measure it), in the real world the cpu load is not vastly increasing and decreasing instantly so the voltage under/overshoot wont be quite so much but it is still there.
Yo man! I've got a problem with adaptive voltage, Iv'e set it at 1.350 voltage with a minus (-) offset of 0.035. The offset works but in idle, the adaptive voltage doesn't seem to work since it doesn't drop lower the 1.300 volt... When the adaptive voltage along with offset is at auto, the voltage drops down to about 1.080 which also of course gets the idle temp of my CPU lower but this doesn't work with the adaptive voltage that I've manually set...
I have a ryzen 1600 and a MSI b350m Bazooka, my voltage drops by EXACTLY 0.05v. I tryed LLC but it does nothing at all, now i'm with llc at 8 and my voltage at idle is exactly what i've put in the bios and under load it drops by 0.05v. It does it even with llc set to 1 or auto.
so LLC wont matter when undervolting right? theoretically lowering LLC setting while undervolting will only cause instability from what i have learned from the video. is that right? also when using HWiNFO, does it record the PEAK VOLTAGE(explained in this video) which is the voltage reading showing on the MAXIMUM column on HWiNFO?
Gio de gracia damn i'd like to know this aswell, i'll undervolt my new cpu when i get it but im not sure if i should mess with llc or not, also which metod is the best for undervolting?, -offset or adaptive mode/-offset?
I have an option to increase/decrease cpu load line calibration and cpu graphics load line calibration which can go upto level 7 or 8 from level 1 and it says increasing the cpu graphics LLC will increase the graphics performance but will also increase the temperature. Should I keep the LLC level minimum or maximum?
I would like to have a guide on the Asus Z-170 Maximus Formula viii for the overclocking he has has none on TH-cam there it is possible from you thanks
Hello, sry for the long question, but I already asked this in forums and no1 could help me out. I'm running a ref R9 290X from sapphire with a Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV along with some custom vrm radiators, that I made on my own. My PSU is a Thermaltake London 550watt 80plus gold. CPU and MB are: i5 4690K @4,7ghz and ASUS Z97-A The system is not running in a case but rather on a custom bench, made completely out of glas; cooling is awesome^^ I wanted to overclock my r9 290X and ran into this issue: I edited the bios via "HawaiiBiosReader" (I'll attach Screenshots of my Bios) and but I can't get a stable OC, because the VDroop is too damn high: The max clock speeds are set to 1120mhz on the core and the voltage (VID) for those clock speeds is set to 1,3V (which is WAY higher then I'd need to run my GPU at those speeds). When my GPU is running at 1120mhz in Valley Bench, the voltage (VDDC) is at ~1,18V. Whenever the scenes switch and the gpu is at max speed without any load, the voltage (VDDC) jumps to the 1,3V, I set in the bios. However half a second later the Voltage (VDDC) goes back to 1,18V as the Benchmark continues and puts the gpu under load again. The GPU is not stable at 1,18V, but I can't rly get the voltage (VDDC) it any higher. Even when I set it to 1,35V (VID), the voltage (VDDC) in a game / benchmark is to low to be stable. I also dont wanna go any higher, since 1,35V is already more than I want my GPU handle. GPU and VRM Temps are both fine. PSU should also be fine (drawing a max of 450 - 470Watt from the wall, so there is quite some headroom). I use MSI AB and GPU-Z for temp & voltage readouts. Here the Bios Screenshot: www.pic-upload.de/gal-991968/tfqgd/1.html
great video! ive been getting in to overclocking over the last 6 months right now and im always looking for more info. just too bad on my MSI z170a gaming m5 there is no LLC.. there is ''voltage compensation'' but that throws up my vcore a lot.. even at idle..with a 1.270 vcore it goes to 1.325 vcore at idle (and light loads). and then still drops to 1.225 under full load.... im not sure what is wrong but i think it might be my MB. i can only get my 6700k stableat 4.5ghz with a 1.368 vcore(dropping to 1.320 under heavy load)(cpu never going over 63 degrees and system temp 32 degrees) where as my i5 4690k can go to 4.6ghz at 1.277 vcore stable. its a pity my 6700k doesnt go as far. maybe its some bios settings i havent set right. or maybe the MB isnt that great for OCing. or my chip isnt as great as my i5. im not sure. but i will be playing with some settings and see what results i can get. great videos, ill be looking forward to more of your vids!
I was looking for just a comment like yours! I have the MSI z170a-g45 (very close to the m5) and struggle with the same. Personally I regret buying a MSI MB as it seems you need atleast the m7 to get llc... If I could pick again I would have bougth Asus.
Hey, der8auer! Thx for tha vid! Could you please also explain how is working digital VRM controllers, known as "DIGI+" and "IR", about their differencies, as well as analog VRM controllers? Would be very appreciated! P.s. glad to find out, that your sing is a Gemini too, either wouldn't be such a great.
Thanks for your reply. I've read before some information about VRM controllers by its specifications, for example, on Asus's site... But, didn't find how it works exactly and what's it relies on.
This would be easy to fix with a "maximum voltage regulator voltage" in the BIOS, this way LLC couldn't kill your CPU and bumping up the vcore to levels that seem safe would always be safe, this is actually very easy to implement in the bios and voltage regulator so someone should definitely pitch this to manufacturers.
llc doesn't kill the cpu. it' those voltage fluctuations going from load to idle or idle to load. A perfect vrm that doesn't has those voltage fluctuations is possible but would be too costly. Hence we're struck with those fluctuations.
Is the peak Vcc with high LLC big and long enaugh to kill a cpu? I was doing a 1.6V oc on my 6600k and was wondering if it is better to make Vcc higher or to push the LCC. Ps. I know that I am already pretty above safe Vcore and extremely over VID.
Thank you so much, that’s for sure the best explanation on yt about vcore, vid and llc! I’ve just made my first rig and i’am a bit worried about few things, could you please help?
its like when you turn on an electric motor and your lights dim. when you put a heavy load on somehting the voltage drops. its like riding a bike. when your on level ground it would be easy to pedal, say, 1 turn per sefcond. when you start to pedal up hill it would much harder to pedal 1 turn of the pedal per second, and you may fall off to say .8 turns per second. now imagine someone on the ground saying "he's going uphill, he should pedal faster" lol. but its doesnt always work that way. the mobo's vrm do the same thing. they suffer under a load just as we do lol also while the voltage drops the current increases massively. current is the measure of "power"
@@yooz111 thats why i put it in quotes. i did this so people who came along afterwords would realize i was dumbing it down. but yes watt is the unit of power and current (amps) is the unit of electron flow, equivalent to gallons per minute in a hydro or air system. and i didnt exactly say unit but measure in this case. if the voltage is more or less constant (only varying from 1.4v to just a bit less) then current would be analagous to watts since 1.4 X current is power. if the voltage is more or less nearly fixed then current is a measure of power. in a fixed voltage system your current draw is relative to your power.
I just built my first PC, Asus x570 tuf AMD 3700x. My worry is that in bios my computer says 1.512 volts. Even in cpuz it says 1.45. Under load it says 1.35. Is this normal?
Gaming in still Life that’s the maximum recommended voltage under load for 3rd gen ryzen. I think there’s a glitch atm with how the voltages get recognised in cpu z though but if you want to be completely safe remove your overclock
So if I have v-core voltage set 1.2V in bios and cpu z also shows that voltage,I dont need to worry about the vid voltage jumping from 0.8V to 1.42V in HW MONITOR?
the vcore in hwmonitor is goin down to .8v because of power saving mode like intel speedstep, but this is not the idle voltage, which would be the 1.2v you put in.. if it goes up to 1.42v that may be llc kicking and if you are not overclocking llc should not be on, turn it off. if you are overclockign and you turned llc on and if that is a recent intel chip that v-core is too high i think. i dont know about amd chips but if its intel you need to take llc down if you put it on. use an llc number in the middle of your options like if its 1-5, use 2-3, or 1-8 use 4. if you are overclocking once you turn the llc down you may need to compensate by increasing the 1.2v you entered in the bios
+jort93z The peaks also depend on the VRM quality. So yea a mainboard with stronger/better VRMs will have a better voltage signal. However, I don't think you will notice any difference when it comes to the lifespan.
+der8auer can you please explain or make a video on how to offset on a gigabyte board I have a 4690k i5 4.5ghz at 1.21vcore but there's no decent guide showing you how to work out offset to bring voltage down when idle
What would you reccomend for loadline calibration on a Broadwell-E i7 6800K for a high as possible overclock? I just purchased a 6800K binned by siliconlottery.com to hit 4.4ghz at just over 1.3v VCORE with one of the Corsair H105 "AIO" coolers. I'm wanting to push it to 4.5ghz as my main rendering and gaming etc.. load frequency. But since Broadwell-E has such a hard time hitting high clock speeds i'm unsure of how much max VCORE i should run safely and how much heat it would generate etc.. I'm using a custom water cooling loop with three radiators (a 480mm radiator, a 420mm radiator, and a 360mm radiator. All cooling just the CPU, with an EK Supremacy EVO CPU waterblock) so theoretically my temps and VCORE necessary to achieve 4.4ghz and 4.5 possibly should be a fair bit lower than what siliconlottery's were. I'm just wondering what your overall advice would be to hit 4.5ghz on the chip as far as what VCORE, what input voltage, load line calibration etc.. Thanks! I'm using the new ASUS Rampage V Edition 10 board that i just got, by the way. So my VRM etc.. and the board in general are quite good quality.
Personally I would use up to 1.4 Volt for OC on these chips but it seems that they don't scale that much over 1.35 Volt. To stay safe I would advice to stay below 1.35 Volt. LLC doesnt really matter because it affects the Input Voltage but not the vCore. So Level 6 should be fine. Seems quite a bit of cooling :D Actually one of these radiators should already be fine for the CPU.
This graphs seems back asswards to me...why is your idle voltage higher than load? My ryzen idles at ~.912v and when i do a stress test it goes up to ~1.35.
That's due to power saving features. Turn them off and you set 1.35v in bios and it's 1.35v on idle. Hit it with load and no LLC and voltage drops. It's the same story for Intel chips.
dark_wizzie is correct. the .912v you are talking about are the voltage when power savings mode kicks in. turn off the power saving mode and it will show you the true idle voltage or you can look at the entry in your bios
If I dont enable xmp my vcore is the same with vid and is average 1.36 with stock clocks(it goes up 1.4-1.45).If I enable xmp my vcore is min 1.2 and max 1.245(the vid is 0.8-1.45 with stock clocks).Motherboard asus hero VIII and cpu I7 6700k.Atm I am at 4.4 ghz with 1.267 manual vcore.How can u explain that?
hey I have a problem somewhat like you. I have a 6700k and oc in bios to 4.7ghz at 1.325v. in asus suite 3, my voltage is 1.328, but in cpuz, my vid is 1.4!!!. I guess just screw the vid as asus says my voltge is staying at what I set it to.
Excellent explanation. An observation/or question: Other software, like HWiNFO and may be Speed Fan, indicate the voltage spikes (it seems to me), I'm wrong? (Off topic: I would gladly buy your binned, delidded/relidded and signed CPUS line, I consider them pieces of collection).
It's not measuring accurately, only as accurat as your sensors refresh time. My motherboard has 256 ms precision. But what happens between 2 refreshes is exactly what's explained in the video. You can't measure that with software.
call me crazy and stupid , why the idle voltage higher than the load voltage in the first example? thats the part i dont get the LLC what does have a more stable voltage between usasges ?? what are the pros and cons ??
idle voltage is higher than load due to vdroop which is a built-in safety mechanism. you can use llc to remove vdroop but you 100% will run into voltages higher than VID during transience from idle to load. pros for more stable voltages between usage means that you get to achieve stable overclock which is theoretically possible but isn't because of vdroop. cons would be that you run into voltages higher than VID during transience from idle to load. llc is basically a way to remove the effects of vdroop. but if you have a nice motherboard with 8+* vrm then vdroop shouldn't be that high to begin with since vrm has plenty of phases to work with and can match the amps required by your cpu at a faster rate. Hope this helps
SpecterMatthew high LLC will increase voltage under heavy load. More voltage is more heat. What you can do is set it to High, but put your vcore setting down a lot to compensate. Example: So if vcore was set to 1.30v and LLC was off you would probably drop to 1.20v under load. Instead lower your vcore to 1.22v and increase load line until you are at 1.30v again under load. That way you'll be running cooler at idle and higher vcore and temps but better stability during benchmarking. You want high voltage when you need it (stress test) and lower voltage when at medium or low load.
did you set it to that manually yourself, or is that the auto setting. 1.46 is high. if you set that high yourself i would take it down quite a bit. i wouldnt go above 1.40 unless i really knew what i was doing. if you set 1.46 to get your overclock but have not set llc you can probably get the same overclock by reducing the voltage to 1.35-14v range and increasing the llc. check your vcore when the cpu is under load in something like hardwaremonitor. if it is running less than 1.4 while under load but springs back to 1.46 after the load is removed then you can definitely reduce your voltage and increase your llc. 5ghz is not that important. if you can get 4.8 at 1.2-1.3 the chip will last a lot longer and the cooling fans will run a lot quieter and you will only lose a very small amount of performance. if you didnt set it yourself and this is the auto settings i dont know what to tell you. how do you know its 1.46? did you check the bios or did you use monitoring software. sometimes the software needs an update before it reads correctly
bobhumplick So 5ghz on a 9700k with a 100mhz avx offset level 4 llc on asrock z390 phantom 4s max is level 6 I have fixed voltage stable at 1.320volts 35-40c idle 66c gaming and 78-82c under various stress aida64,intelburn etc highest vcore I see in hwinfo is 1.319 vid reads upwards of 1.480’s vid is not the voltage my chip is actually getting correct ? That’s just what Intel assumes it should be getting ? Thanks for any clarification
VID changes because it's the voltage programmed into your cpu for every frequency. so for a x21 multiplier you'd have different VID and a different VID for x22 and so on.
@PotatoEdits do you have power saver features on "on" in your bios? if not, turn them on and your VID should drop according to clock. But VID is mostly a symbolic value anyway, what you want to monitor is svi2tfn voltage in something like hwinfo etc. make sure that value at max doesn't exceed your VID
OKAY .. im running my ryzen r5 1600 at 3.7ghz , 1.200v in bios .. And when i stress test it via prime95 .. it bump up to 1.232v .. And sometimes even on idel i get 1.232v ... Someone explain this to me please? Is it safe ?
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"Where you said "There's nothing you can do about it", Correct as a user, but I think it's important to understand that higher quality motherboards with faster switching frequencies and more capacitor capacity will experience VDROOP less and therefore will require less extreme LLC settings.
That's why it's important to understand and measure on your own motehrboard and not jsut use otehr people's recommended settings when fine tuning your overclock.
Boosted Media what's an example of a high quality mobo....z370 for coffee lake
Thank you for taking the time to do a english version.
After asking what these things are so many times and never getting a straight answer (including from google) I am so glad I found this straightforward explanation! Thank you!
Would love to see an updated video about how AC/DC LL Interacts with vid,vcore & vdroop.
I know 1.51v is pushing it for max voltage for 24/7 use On 11900k but I don't think it will cause degradation. I was able to get AC/DC LL down to .08mohm to hopefully prevent unnecessary voltage spikes.
Temps are still good (custom loop)
So to summarize, increasing LLC increases the voltage for the CPU WHEN it is under load (which increases temperature during benchmarking and stress tests) as well as increases peak voltage when the system is transitioning to idle voltage from load voltage (LLC increasing CAN mean much greater voltage then what you set in vCore/idle voltage temporarily while switching between states of idle and load. This can have a negative effect on your CPU's lifespan).
the idle voltage stays the same regardless of LLC level. Idle voltage = vCore set in BIOS
@der8auer I would love to see an EN tutorial on RYZEN OC with LLC. Thanks so much for your work.
Thank you sir. I always wondered what VID meant. Makes sense.
I just wanted to say that you make great content, which is much more Educational than most tutorials I've seen :)
On another note I've been having a little issue with my overclock on my fx 8320, paired with an gigabyte ud3 990fxa and a hyper 212 evo.
The issue being when performing a cold boot at high overclocks (4.6ghz) and above, my pc starts to boot then about 2 seconds from boot it switches off another five seconds passes it switches itself back on continuing to boot normally, I'm pretty sure it's due to the CPU not getting enough power upon bootup, sidenote this doesn't usually happen on a reboot (say I pressed the reset switch) however increasing the vcore doesn't help, and if I set my load line anything over medium, voltages become unsafe.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, I would love to find a solution, if you need any more info just ask, and keep up the great vids,
thanks alot, Thomas :)
what ali you use?...maybe it's not enought power...or it's no good...
What if i set the llc to extreme in which it will have more voltage on load than in idle i will just decrease the vid is that good for the cpu?
Excellent explanation, and should answer the old 1.52V Intel Vid question that confuses people.
So you didnt actually explained much about loadline calibration tho
yeah a follow up video talking more about the different levels of load line would be nice.
very good video thanks
hi ,,please i am starting laptop repair motherboard , i need understand more about vcore VIDs , do yuo konwe source could explaine it to me from basic
thank you alot
Great explanation! This was very helpful.
so is it safe to always set LLC on max, or can peaks damage the chip?
and thanks for quality videos, you saving us so much time!
actually I researched the topic a bit more and the answer is yes, you definitely do not want to use extreme LLC setting as it can put near-death voltage levels on CPU
yes you are correct. you should start with no llc or minimal. then apply the voltage you want. then you should increase llc slowly until the voltage you set matches the voltage at load or even slightly less. so the rebound wont be too high. im sure you know this by now with your reading but others may not
The only problem with LLC is that you dont get the data on how bad the rebound is.
For instance, I have a gigabyte X370 gaming 5 and I am setting the VID at 1.35V, LLC on turbo (second highest) and in the OS under load the Vcore goes from 1.344V to 1.319V. Thats still a big drop in my book but I dont get to see how much the rebound is 8(.
So, to be on the safe side, I assume I should lower the LLC even lower, but impossible to tell since you will only figure it out a few years down the line or (god forbid) sooner if you kill the cpu. (Ryzen 1700)
EDIT: In fact, what is better? Higher default VID or compensation with LLC? I mean to be safer.
Many a CPU has been fried by high LLC settings. Particularly during boot when the bios sends a spike of voltage to jumpstart the CPU before leveling the voltage out. It largely depends on the MB and the model....but what usually happens is someone will max out LLC in the bios, save and exit the bios and go into Windows and run tests to check overclock. The test either fails and you blue screen or it passes and you eventually power down your PC. The next time you power on the PC you get the dreaded error code that designates a fried CPU/hardware failure. Initial jolt of boot voltage paired with the extra voltage added on by your OC instantly kills the CPU.
Pretty sure theirs a video by TH-camr JayzTwoCents where he killed a CPU by doing just that. He forgot to clear cmos after really pushing his CPU for benchmarking and it killed it upon reboot.
Probably be a good idea to always "clear cmos" so it becomes a habit. Save your bios overclock settings as a profile and you won't have to start from scratch all over again. I know most motherboards that advertise overclocking have UEFI/Bios profile saving features.
I always never go over the middle range for LLC settings. Currently I'm running an overclocked 5960x at 4.4ghz @ 1.25v on a Asus X99-e WS motherboard. ASUS motherboards give you the option of setting LLC to the default "auto" or designate a number between 1-9 with 9 being max LLC. 7 would be the absolute max I'd try but I usually set LLC right in the middle which would be 5.
I'm not a master overclocker by any stretch but I was fortunate enough to learn of the dangers of high LLC early on. It's not nearly warned about enough and the motherboard usually doesn't specify the dangers in the bios since I'm guessing if you are running a non-overclocked system high LLC might not be an issue.
Thank you! I appreciate it!
i dont get it, now im more confused than before. i would think the idle voltage is lower than the full load state...
Impylse - your voltage does actually decrease because your motherboard wants it forces it to during idle. Mine goes from 1.23 to 0.67v or so. But vdroop is different and from what I understand is actually a natural phenomenon found in any electrical circuit, even in the walls in your house. As electricity flows through wires it generates heat and loses some of its voltage. It's almost like friction or air resistance on a car. They say that you burn 10% more gas in your car per mile for every mile per hour you drive over 60mph. So if you drive to your friends house doing 60 you will use 10% more gas for the same distance than if you go 70.
@impylse heres the best way to think about it. have you had a large appliance or electrical device turn on and when it did the lights in your home dimmed. im sure youve seen this. its the same thing at idle there's no load so there is no problem keeping the voltage high and the light bright. if you had a little light bulb on the same circuit as you cpu it would be very bright. then when the cpu suddenly gets loaded up the little light bulb dims because the cpu is pulling power and the voltage drops. also while the voltage drops the current increases massively. current is the measure of "power"
Maybe another way of thinking about it... When you play tug of war, both parties are pulling the rope. So imagine that when both sides are pulling on the rope, it's when the CPU is under max load. If one side lets go (you end the benchmark), you fall backwards because you were pulling so hard, but all of a sudden that force wasn't needed anymore. (the CPU all of a sudden doesn't need that much power anymore, but for a split second it was still receiving the power it required previously, so the load shoots up a bit, kind of like when you fall from the other side letting go).
also as impilse says power saving features drop the voltage down below one volt, like intel's speedstep. you could call this "idle" voltage because the cpu downclocks and reduces voltage when not in use. but this is not what der8auer means in this case.
It's like a car, some system items stand low and then go high, and some stand at max and drop to allow the low ones to increase to prevent overheating and burnout/fires.
my VID sits at 1.42 on my VIII Hero. My CPU is set to 1.295v. My LLC is at 5 and it idles at 1.312v. Heavy loads it usually cycles between 1.312 to 1.286 at 4.6ghz.
Thanks for the info. 1 question. When voltage drops on load, power is compensated by current right? So when the undershoot happens when load starts, can the current spike harm the system?
Thanks so much for the video!
Quick question for you or anyone else who is able & willing... I have a Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 7 motherboard and it has a setting for CPU voltage called "Core PLL Overvoltage (+mV)" - it goes in increments of 15mV up to something like 300mV total. It's not mentioned in the manual and it seems nearly impossible to find any information (reliable or otherwise) about this setting online. Do you happen to know if this setting is relevant to the "V Offset" in your diagram around 2:45? Perhaps it's an amount above VID that the motherboard will deliver (e.g. providing a higher voltage than VID requests), either constantly or under certain load conditions?
Thanks in advance for any light someone can shed on this! :)
Any help, what could be causing this. I7-13700k, regular settings etc, hitting +-90C max temp. Cinebench r23, 10seconds after starting the benchmark, it draws +-230w and voltage is at +-1.37. But after the 10 seconds, power draw drops to 60watts and voltage drops to 0.74v. Cant seem to find solution for this. Have tried forced voltages etc, but dont help.
Thank you, that really cleared a lot up!!
What are your thoughts around increasing VRM frequency to avoid overshoot? Worthwhile? Or will I just be reducing the longevity of my VRM modules?
Thank you for all these great videos on overclocking, really helps a lot.
What would be the max CPU Core Voltage I can use on a 6700k with Load Line Calibration at 6 on an Asus Z170-Pro.
+Thomas Lind thanks :) I would stay below 1.40 Volt depending on the CPU temperature. Try to stay below 85°C because Skylake CPUs tend to become unstable above 80°C
I'm running a Threadripper 1950X. According to HWMonitor, I have a VID per core of 1.237v when idle. It goes down to 1.194v when I start a stress test. That makes no sense. If VID is the 'requested' voltage from the core, why would it decrease just as it starts to get busy and needs more current? My vcore is 1.248v idle, 1.224v all cores loaded. So VID isn't a maximum either.
Hi, great video! I'm trying to get 4.7Ghz on it 8600k. I put 1.27v core and I see in hwinfo 1.34v sometimes. What should I look in the software? Average or maximum voltages? Also getting 80°C at that readings
It's the VID that I'm just not understanding. I've read some things, watched this vid and try to make sense of it for my given situation and it doesn't click. Here's my situation... I have a 3700x and am monitoring with a few different programs. When I run at stock settings, I get the apparently normal 1.4v - 1.45v for both the vcore and the VID. If I set a manual overclock, the VID now never goes above 1.1v regardless of multiplier and vcore voltage. The VID almost constantly stays at 1.1 with the brief and occasional slight dip below 1.1 . How do I make sense of this? Isn't the VID supposed to be higher than the vcore voltage?
bearing in mind a benchmark instantly hits the cpu with 100% load causing the worst voltage under/overshoot youd ever see (if you could measure it), in the real world the cpu load is not vastly increasing and decreasing instantly so the voltage under/overshoot wont be quite so much but it is still there.
in the real world, it's changing more often, which has definitely given me instability compared to steady idle or steady load
I didn't even increase the core voltage in the bios but its running at 3.760 V to 3.8 V usually it would be on 1.3 V
Can loadline voltage basically fry your cpu if you set it high with high volt?
So you want to have a difference between load and idle voltage?
Maybe connect what youre saying to hypothetical changes in the BIOS as a response to different voltage peaks
Yo man! I've got a problem with adaptive voltage, Iv'e set it at 1.350 voltage with a minus (-) offset of 0.035. The offset works but in idle, the adaptive voltage doesn't seem to work since it doesn't drop lower the 1.300 volt... When the adaptive voltage along with offset is at auto, the voltage drops down to about 1.080 which also of course gets the idle temp of my CPU lower but this doesn't work with the adaptive voltage that I've manually set...
I have a ryzen 1600 and a MSI b350m Bazooka, my voltage drops by EXACTLY 0.05v. I tryed LLC but it does nothing at all, now i'm with llc at 8 and my voltage at idle is exactly what i've put in the bios and under load it drops by 0.05v. It does it even with llc set to 1 or auto.
I'm a little bit confused, If I have manual voltage then does the LLC still change voltage since my voltage is static at 1.2?
More examples should be good to have. Other then that.. God video👍
so LLC wont matter when undervolting right? theoretically lowering LLC setting while undervolting will only cause instability from what i have learned from the video. is that right? also when using HWiNFO, does it record the PEAK VOLTAGE(explained in this video) which is the voltage reading showing on the MAXIMUM column on HWiNFO?
Gio de gracia damn i'd like to know this aswell, i'll undervolt my new cpu when i get it but im not sure if i should mess with llc or not, also which metod is the best for undervolting?, -offset or adaptive mode/-offset?
I have an option to increase/decrease cpu load line calibration and cpu graphics load line calibration which can go upto level 7 or 8 from level 1 and it says increasing the cpu graphics LLC will increase the graphics performance but will also increase the temperature. Should I keep the LLC level minimum or maximum?
OK What name have voltage which you have in yor BIOS
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I would like to have a guide on the Asus Z-170 Maximus Formula viii for the overclocking he has has none on TH-cam there it is possible from you thanks
Hello, sry for the long question, but I already asked this in forums and no1 could help me out.
I'm running a ref R9 290X from sapphire with a Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV along with some custom vrm radiators, that I made on my own.
My PSU is a Thermaltake London 550watt 80plus gold.
CPU and MB are: i5 4690K @4,7ghz and ASUS Z97-A
The system is not running in a case but rather on a custom bench, made completely out of glas; cooling is awesome^^
I wanted to overclock my r9 290X and ran into this issue:
I edited the bios via "HawaiiBiosReader" (I'll attach Screenshots of my Bios) and but I can't get a stable OC, because the VDroop is too damn high:
The max clock speeds are set to 1120mhz on the core and the voltage (VID) for those clock speeds is set to 1,3V (which is WAY higher then I'd need to run my GPU at those speeds).
When my GPU is running at 1120mhz in Valley Bench, the voltage (VDDC) is at ~1,18V. Whenever the scenes switch and the gpu is at max speed without any load, the voltage (VDDC) jumps to the 1,3V, I set in the bios.
However half a second later the Voltage (VDDC) goes back to 1,18V as the Benchmark continues and puts the gpu under load again.
The GPU is not stable at 1,18V, but I can't rly get the voltage (VDDC) it any higher.
Even when I set it to 1,35V (VID), the voltage (VDDC) in a game / benchmark is to low to be stable.
I also dont wanna go any higher, since 1,35V is already more than I want my GPU handle.
GPU and VRM Temps are both fine. PSU should also be fine (drawing a max of 450 - 470Watt from the wall, so there is quite some headroom).
I use MSI AB and GPU-Z for temp & voltage readouts.
Here the Bios Screenshot:
www.pic-upload.de/gal-991968/tfqgd/1.html
great video! ive been getting in to overclocking over the last 6 months right now and im always looking for more info.
just too bad on my MSI z170a gaming m5 there is no LLC.. there is ''voltage compensation'' but that throws up my vcore a lot.. even at idle..with a 1.270 vcore it goes to 1.325 vcore at idle (and light loads). and then still drops to 1.225 under full load.... im not sure what is wrong but i think it might be my MB. i can only get my 6700k stableat 4.5ghz with a 1.368 vcore(dropping to 1.320 under heavy load)(cpu never going over 63 degrees and system temp 32 degrees)
where as my i5 4690k can go to 4.6ghz at 1.277 vcore stable.
its a pity my 6700k doesnt go as far. maybe its some bios settings i havent set right. or maybe the MB isnt that great for OCing. or my chip isnt as great as my i5. im not sure. but i will be playing with some settings and see what results i can get.
great videos, ill be looking forward to more of your vids!
I was looking for just a comment like yours! I have the MSI z170a-g45 (very close to the m5) and struggle with the same. Personally I regret buying a MSI MB as it seems you need atleast the m7 to get llc... If I could pick again I would have bougth Asus.
Please do a comparison between CLU and Thermal Grizzlys Conductonaut!!!
Hey, der8auer! Thx for tha vid!
Could you please also explain how is working digital VRM controllers, known as "DIGI+" and "IR", about their differencies, as well as analog VRM controllers?
Would be very appreciated!
P.s. glad to find out, that your sing is a Gemini too, either wouldn't be such a great.
Thanks for your reply.
I've read before some information about VRM controllers by its specifications, for example, on Asus's site... But, didn't find how it works exactly and what's it relies on.
This would be easy to fix with a "maximum voltage regulator voltage" in the BIOS, this way LLC couldn't kill your CPU and bumping up the vcore to levels that seem safe would always be safe, this is actually very easy to implement in the bios and voltage regulator so someone should definitely pitch this to manufacturers.
llc doesn't kill the cpu. it' those voltage fluctuations going from load to idle or idle to load. A perfect vrm that doesn't has those voltage fluctuations is possible but would be too costly. Hence we're struck with those fluctuations.
Running fx 6300 vcore in cpu-z idle fluctuate from 1.38x-1.39x is that normal? I set the llc off and vcore in bios 1,400
In regard to asus LLC 1-7, what is considered max? 1 or 7?
I have the 2700x on the b450 f gaming...i wanna go up to 4ghz at 1.25...how do I set it when at idle the voltage drops down to 0.8 ish
When I run a stress test not at a fast pace but it will fluctuate between 1.296v and 3.115v is this normal. Have a 5ghz oc btw seems stable
now is LLC a good thing or not ?
Is the peak Vcc with high LLC big and long enaugh to kill a cpu? I was doing a 1.6V oc on my 6600k and was wondering if it is better to make Vcc higher or to push the LCC.
Ps. I know that I am already pretty above safe Vcore and extremely over VID.
Your going to absolutely destroy the CPU at 1.6v
if my VID is 2.216 on 100% CPU(4690K 4.5Ghz) is that fine /temp around 68C and how i can moitor real Vcore while cpu is on load
Thank you so much, that’s for sure the best explanation on yt about vcore, vid and llc!
I’ve just made my first rig and i’am a bit worried about few things, could you please help?
i don't get something, why do the voltage is higher in idle than in fully utilization ?
its like when you turn on an electric motor and your lights dim. when you put a heavy load on somehting the voltage drops. its like riding a bike. when your on level ground it would be easy to pedal, say, 1 turn per sefcond. when you start to pedal up hill it would much harder to pedal 1 turn of the pedal per second, and you may fall off to say .8 turns per second. now imagine someone on the ground saying "he's going uphill, he should pedal faster" lol. but its doesnt always work that way. the mobo's vrm do the same thing. they suffer under a load just as we do lol
also while the voltage drops the current increases massively. current is the measure of "power"
@@bobhumplick4213 Watt is the unit of power :)
@@yooz111 thats why i put it in quotes. i did this so people who came along afterwords would realize i was dumbing it down. but yes watt is the unit of power and current (amps) is the unit of electron flow, equivalent to gallons per minute in a hydro or air system.
and i didnt exactly say unit but measure in this case. if the voltage is more or less constant (only varying from 1.4v to just a bit less) then current would be analagous to watts since 1.4 X current is power. if the voltage is more or less nearly fixed then current is a measure of power. in a fixed voltage system your current draw is relative to your power.
I just built my first PC, Asus x570 tuf AMD 3700x. My worry is that in bios my computer says 1.512 volts. Even in cpuz it says 1.45. Under load it says 1.35. Is this normal?
Gaming in still Life that’s the maximum recommended voltage under load for 3rd gen ryzen. I think there’s a glitch atm with how the voltages get recognised in cpu z though but if you want to be completely safe remove your overclock
So if I have v-core voltage set 1.2V in bios and cpu z also shows that voltage,I dont need to worry about the vid voltage jumping from 0.8V to 1.42V in HW MONITOR?
the vcore in hwmonitor is goin down to .8v because of power saving mode like intel speedstep, but this is not the idle voltage, which would be the 1.2v you put in.. if it goes up to 1.42v that may be llc kicking and if you are not overclocking llc should not be on, turn it off. if you are overclockign and you turned llc on and if that is a recent intel chip that v-core is too high i think. i dont know about amd chips but if its intel you need to take llc down if you put it on. use an llc number in the middle of your options like if its 1-5, use 2-3, or 1-8 use 4. if you are overclocking once you turn the llc down you may need to compensate by increasing the 1.2v you entered in the bios
are there motherboards with smaller peaks or a shorter heavy to low load changes? or is that always the same on any motherboard?
+jort93z The peaks also depend on the VRM quality. So yea a mainboard with stronger/better VRMs will have a better voltage signal. However, I don't think you will notice any difference when it comes to the lifespan.
der8auer alright. thanks.
+der8auer can you please explain or make a video on how to offset on a gigabyte board I have a 4690k i5 4.5ghz at 1.21vcore but there's no decent guide showing you how to work out offset to bring voltage down when idle
I have a Skylake i7 6700k CPU voltage is around 1.264 on idle
VID is at 1.32 are these numbers ok? Seems like a big jump between Vcore and VID
Happened the same to me in my i5 8600k.
Thx so much
I set level 5 and auto voltage,manual and auto same vcore result
What would you reccomend for loadline calibration on a Broadwell-E i7 6800K for a high as possible overclock? I just purchased a 6800K binned by siliconlottery.com to hit 4.4ghz at just over 1.3v VCORE with one of the Corsair H105 "AIO" coolers. I'm wanting to push it to 4.5ghz as my main rendering and gaming etc.. load frequency. But since Broadwell-E has such a hard time hitting high clock speeds i'm unsure of how much max VCORE i should run safely and how much heat it would generate etc.. I'm using a custom water cooling loop with three radiators (a 480mm radiator, a 420mm radiator, and a 360mm radiator. All cooling just the CPU, with an EK Supremacy EVO CPU waterblock) so theoretically my temps and VCORE necessary to achieve 4.4ghz and 4.5 possibly should be a fair bit lower than what siliconlottery's were. I'm just wondering what your overall advice would be to hit 4.5ghz on the chip as far as what VCORE, what input voltage, load line calibration etc.. Thanks!
I'm using the new ASUS Rampage V Edition 10 board that i just got, by the way. So my VRM etc.. and the board in general are quite good quality.
Personally I would use up to 1.4 Volt for OC on these chips but it seems that they don't scale that much over 1.35 Volt. To stay safe I would advice to stay below 1.35 Volt.
LLC doesnt really matter because it affects the Input Voltage but not the vCore. So Level 6 should be fine.
Seems quite a bit of cooling :D Actually one of these radiators should already be fine for the CPU.
an extra 100 mghz would hardly be noticed. save yourself some frustration would be my advice but good luck whatever you decide
Thank you was worried about high VID lol i feel dumb now.
This graphs seems back asswards to me...why is your idle voltage higher than load? My ryzen idles at ~.912v and when i do a stress test it goes up to ~1.35.
That's due to power saving features. Turn them off and you set 1.35v in bios and it's 1.35v on idle. Hit it with load and no LLC and voltage drops. It's the same story for Intel chips.
dark_wizzie is correct. the .912v you are talking about are the voltage when power savings mode kicks in. turn off the power saving mode and it will show you the true idle voltage or you can look at the entry in your bios
If I dont enable xmp my vcore is the same with vid and is average 1.36 with stock clocks(it goes up 1.4-1.45).If I enable xmp my vcore is min 1.2 and max 1.245(the vid is 0.8-1.45 with stock clocks).Motherboard asus hero VIII and cpu I7 6700k.Atm I am at 4.4 ghz with 1.267 manual vcore.How can u explain that?
hey I have a problem somewhat like you. I have a 6700k and oc in bios to 4.7ghz at 1.325v. in asus suite 3, my voltage is 1.328, but in cpuz, my vid is 1.4!!!. I guess just screw the vid as asus says my voltge is staying at what I set it to.
Dont care about vid,vid it is intel's default volt,the real volt going to the chip is vcore.
Ok thanks! I am new to oc and I was freaking out
Excellent explanation. An observation/or question: Other software, like HWiNFO and may be Speed Fan, indicate the voltage spikes (it seems to me), I'm wrong?
(Off topic: I would gladly buy your binned, delidded/relidded and signed CPUS line, I consider them pieces of collection).
It's not measuring accurately, only as accurat as your sensors refresh time. My motherboard has 256 ms precision. But what happens between 2 refreshes is exactly what's explained in the video. You can't measure that with software.
thanks
call me crazy and stupid , why the idle voltage higher than the load voltage in the first example? thats the part i dont get
the LLC what does have a more stable voltage between usasges ?? what are the pros and cons ??
idle voltage is higher than load due to vdroop which is a built-in safety mechanism. you can use llc to remove vdroop but you 100% will run into voltages higher than VID during transience from idle to load.
pros for more stable voltages between usage means that you get to achieve stable overclock which is theoretically possible but isn't because of vdroop. cons would be that you run into voltages higher than VID during transience from idle to load. llc is basically a way to remove the effects of vdroop. but if you have a nice motherboard with 8+* vrm then vdroop shouldn't be that high to begin with since vrm has plenty of phases to work with and can match the amps required by your cpu at a faster rate.
Hope this helps
Does anyone know which LLC mode that will produce the least heat on my gigabyte mobo? Options are auto, standard and high.
SpecterMatthew high LLC will increase voltage under heavy load. More voltage is more heat. What you can do is set it to High, but put your vcore setting down a lot to compensate. Example: So if vcore was set to 1.30v and LLC was off you would probably drop to 1.20v under load. Instead lower your vcore to 1.22v and increase load line until you are at 1.30v again under load. That way you'll be running cooler at idle and higher vcore and temps but better stability during benchmarking. You want high voltage when you need it (stress test) and lower voltage when at medium or low load.
i have vid on 8700k so high to 1.46 ,its normal????
did you set it to that manually yourself, or is that the auto setting. 1.46 is high. if you set that high yourself i would take it down quite a bit. i wouldnt go above 1.40 unless i really knew what i was doing. if you set 1.46 to get your overclock but have not set llc you can probably get the same overclock by reducing the voltage to 1.35-14v range and increasing the llc. check your vcore when the cpu is under load in something like hardwaremonitor. if it is running less than 1.4 while under load but springs back to 1.46 after the load is removed then you can definitely reduce your voltage and increase your llc. 5ghz is not that important. if you can get 4.8 at 1.2-1.3 the chip will last a lot longer and the cooling fans will run a lot quieter and you will only lose a very small amount of performance. if you didnt set it yourself and this is the auto settings i dont know what to tell you. how do you know its 1.46? did you check the bios or did you use monitoring software. sometimes the software needs an update before it reads correctly
bobhumplick So 5ghz on a 9700k with a 100mhz avx offset level 4 llc on asrock z390 phantom 4s max is level 6 I have fixed voltage stable at 1.320volts 35-40c idle 66c gaming and 78-82c under various stress aida64,intelburn etc highest vcore I see in hwinfo is 1.319 vid reads upwards of 1.480’s vid is not the voltage my chip is actually getting correct ? That’s just what Intel assumes it should be getting ? Thanks for any clarification
So youngggg
Why does my VID change so much?
VID changes because it's the voltage programmed into your cpu for every frequency. so for a x21 multiplier you'd have different VID and a different VID for x22 and so on.
@PotatoEdits do you have power saver features on "on" in your bios? if not, turn them on and your VID should drop according to clock. But VID is mostly a symbolic value anyway, what you want to monitor is svi2tfn voltage in something like hwinfo etc. make sure that value at max doesn't exceed your VID
@PotatoEdits can't say what wrong since a lot more things come into play but still 4.5 is solid af man don't worry about it.
OKAY ..
im running my ryzen r5 1600 at 3.7ghz , 1.200v in bios ..
And when i stress test it via prime95 .. it bump up to 1.232v ..
And sometimes even on idel i get 1.232v ...
Someone explain this to me please?
Is it safe ?
yes im running 1.38v on my ryzen 1700x @ 4.2
bullshit
Спасибо, я смог всё понять через грёбанные субтитры youtube.
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Thank you sir. I always wondered what VID meant. Makes sense.